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A message from Fark's Modstaff:

It's been a while since we've had one of these, so bear with us while we get started. Please read this entire header before jumping into the meat of the thread so that we can avoid excess clutter questions that were answered in the introduction.

Who is Moderator? Since it's no big secret we'll just get it out of the way and tell you Moderator is a shared account accessible by all of the Fark moderators and admins. Because we expect a flurry of questions in this thread, we have several mods who will take individual questions and reply with the Moderator account. Once they take a question, that mod will be handling the question, and its subsequent follow-ups if necessary. If the conversation stalls out, gets into minutiae, or conflicts with the NDA all modmins are bound by, the mod may move onto another subject - there are lots of users with lots of questions expecting an answer. We won't be able to get to all of them, but we'll try to get as many as possible. So your question could be picked by any of a dozen or so modmins - but we're not going to make the mods put themselves out there on their personal user accounts. If there's an issue you still have questions about, you can always hit us up at Farkback (please don't confuse Farkback with reporting comments).

What questions will we answer? Full disclosure - we have compiled a list of FAQs and have pre-made answers for them so that modmins can quickly copypasta responses without worrying about typos or turns of phrases that can be misinterpreted. So if Moderator answers your question with general phrasing that doesn't exxxactly match your question, this is why. It's nothing nefarious, but a way for us to get the general idea conveyed and used as a starting point for follow-up questions.

General questions about headlines, greenlights, links, submission queue abuse, etc will be taken by an Admin. General questions about moderation, timeouts, verboten content, posting guidelines will be taken by a Moderator.

We will discuss any topic in general that doesn't conflict with our collective NDA, but we'll try to be as open as we can. We won't discuss individual users, specific user violations, permabanned users etc. In other words, keep it general, not personal and specific.
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2020-04-21 4:06:33 AM  
We're going to leave this TF only for about 45 minutes or so, and then open it up to non-TF'ers so they can ask their questions as well for a couple of hours. If we don't get to your particular question, you can always hit us up in Farkback:

www.fark.com/feedback
 
2020-04-21 4:17:53 AM  
How much does it cost to run this website anyway?
 
2020-04-21 4:18:44 AM  
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2020-04-21 4:18:47 AM  
How well do you disinfect the account before you pass it on to the next FARKer?
 
2020-04-21 4:20:28 AM  

ami5000: How much does it cost to run this website anyway?


Just enough!
 
2020-04-21 4:20:52 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: How well do you disinfect the account before you pass it on to the next FARKer?


😇
 
2020-04-21 4:21:20 AM  
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2020-04-21 4:23:43 AM  
Why can't we talk about certain things that explicitly happened on this site without it being deleted for "offsite drama"?
 
2020-04-21 4:23:52 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: How well do you disinfect the account before you pass it on to the next FARKer?


We assume you mean the selling accounts conspiracy?  We've posted this before in other threads, so you might have seen it before. We know you might just be kidding but some people really seem to believe it, so here's the information and background:

The concern that Drew is selling old accounts is hugely inaccurate. Let us go into detail so we can be clear. This subject keeps rearing its ugly head and we've been trying to explain for years that it simply isn't true.

As far as anyone can recall, there have only ever been two accounts sold. Up until January 2019 in Farkback we were saying three - because we couldn't remember any more than the two but it seemed possible there was one we were forgetting. But dev helped us do a deep dive in the history in January of 2019 and we pinpointed the two accounts exactly. One was account number 8 in June 2001 back in the day when Drew ran his own ISP during the early days of Fark (that account isn't active any more and hasn't been for years) and the 1 millionth account was auctioned off to great fanfare in April 2017, for $810. That account has posted 9 times. Both of them were American. Both of those accounts were advertised on Fark and sold on eBay. There was nothing secret about it, but for some reason people believe there's some sort of conspiracy.

The article that started all this nonsense is here: http://rightwingnews.com/interv​iews/an​-interview-with-farks-drew-curtis-2/ Some user found it and made a big fuss about it in a thread. The article is dated 2012 so when Drew mentions in it that he had sold off a low-numbered account, most people assumed that was something he had done recently. If anyone had bothered reading the article properly, they'd have seen that Drew's age is stated as 28. Since his 47th birthday was February 7, 2020 it should be obvious that the article had originally been posted in 2001 - only two years after Fark was created. The version linked to is a later reprint by the site in question who failed to point out that the interview had been carried out 11 years earlier.

But of course, someone posted the article without doing any basic fact-checking, accused Drew of selling accounts to Russian trolls to influence the election, and everyone jumped on the bandwagon. These conspiracies just grow and take over threads, so it has been our policy to remove comments that perpetuate something that is simply not true.
 
2020-04-21 4:24:42 AM  
Have the Super Secret Moderator Orgies been cancelled because of COVID-19 or have they just moved to zoom?
 
2020-04-21 4:24:52 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: How well do you disinfect the account before you pass it on to the next FARKer?


We wipe the account down with alcohol pads and let it sit for 30 seconds before another mod uses it.
 
2020-04-21 4:25:26 AM  
Do you find misogyny or misandry to be a larger problem when moderating comments?
 
2020-04-21 4:26:36 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Have the Super Secret Moderator Orgies been cancelled because of COVID-19 or have they just moved to zoom?


Tinychat- Your mom can't figure out zoom
 
2020-04-21 4:28:36 AM  
Is it true that the only way to become a Moderator is to kill a Moderator?  And if so, does it have to be hand-to-hand combat or can I, like, just hit brap with my car harder this time
 
2020-04-21 4:29:10 AM  

Moderator: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Have the Super Secret Moderator Orgies been cancelled because of COVID-19 or have they just moved to zoom?

Tinychat- Your mom can't figure out zoom


She needed a wide angle lens.
 
2020-04-21 4:30:48 AM  
Shouldn't you be taking this discussion to FarkBack?
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2020-04-21 4:30:49 AM  
Why is it, that a discussion board behind a paywall on a site that has an average user age of mid 30s to early 40s, is incredibly moderated for no reason?
 
2020-04-21 4:31:19 AM  

skybreaker: Why can't we talk about certain things that explicitly happened on this site without it being deleted for "offsite drama"?


Short answer: we don't discuss other user accounts.

If you have a specific question relating to your own posts, such as why a particular comment was removed, we'll be happy to answer it in Farkback. But we believe people have an expectation of privacy, so we don't discuss others' user accounts, period.

If something happens that affects a particular Farker or Farker, we will discuss that with those people and those people only. If you believe that something may have happened that affects you, please hit us up at Farkback.
 
2020-04-21 4:31:57 AM  
Are you working on getting "Smartest" and "Funniest" comment buttons on the mobile site?
 
2020-04-21 4:32:40 AM  

MBK: Why is it, that a discussion board behind a paywall on a site that has an average user age of mid 30s to early 40s, is incredibly moderated for no reason?


Not sure what the question is exactly. Do you mean TFD?
 
2020-04-21 4:33:12 AM  
Oh ok

So its an "ask a moderator but get an actual answer" thread

I didn't say anything about "other users accounts"

I asked why posts relating to certain things THAT HAPPENED IN THREADS ON THIS SITE get deleted for "offsite drama"
 
2020-04-21 4:33:28 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Is it true that the only way to become a Moderator is to kill a Moderator?


We've moved to rap battles now.
 
2020-04-21 4:33:48 AM  
Exactly how many of us need to sponsor someone to help Drew keep this going?
 
2020-04-21 4:35:37 AM  

skybreaker: Oh ok

So its an "ask a moderator but get an actual answer" thread

I didn't say anything about "other users accounts"

I asked why posts relating to certain things THAT HAPPENED IN THREADS ON THIS SITE get deleted for "offsite drama"


If a post or thread is deleted as "offsite drama", it's because it deals with offsite drama. If you disagree with a deletion, please contact Farkback.
 
2020-04-21 4:35:53 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Is it true that the only way to become a Moderator is to kill a Moderator?  And if so, does it have to be hand-to-hand combat or can I, like, just hit brap with my car harder this time


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MBK [TotalFark]
2020-04-21 4:36:06 AM  

Moderator: MBK: Why is it, that a discussion board behind a paywall on a site that has an average user age of mid 30s to early 40s, is incredibly moderated for no reason?

Not sure what the question is exactly. Do you mean TFD?


Why are comments deleted so rigorously on TFD if it is behind a paywall and why are words still censored? Why not let people control the content they see by allowing them the option to see words like f*ck
 
2020-04-21 4:36:24 AM  
How many (asking numbers, not names) members have been perma-banned?

Do thread votes (up at the top there) actually determine whether or not a thread is removed?

What do the mods think is the reason for declining TotalFark memberships?

Can you talk a little about the cultural shift you've witnessed on TFD in the last year?
 
2020-04-21 4:37:36 AM  

empres77: Are you working on getting "Smartest" and "Funniest" comment buttons on the mobile site?


Yup.  It's on our very long todo list.  Eventually we'd love to get the 'full site' and the mobile view more closely aligned with each other.  Adding the "Smartest" and "Funniest" links to view the top voted comments (sorted with the most comments on top) is definitely on the list.  It just keeps getting bumped down as other things get priority.
 
2020-04-21 4:37:58 AM  

Moderator: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Is it true that the only way to become a Moderator is to kill a Moderator?

We've moved to rap battles now.


That's gotta be the whitest, oldest rap battle ever.  What do you rhyme with "Whole Foods?"
 
2020-04-21 4:38:33 AM  

skybreaker: Oh ok

So its an "ask a moderator but get an actual answer" thread

I didn't say anything about "other users accounts"

I asked why posts relating to certain things THAT HAPPENED IN THREADS ON THIS SITE get deleted for "offsite drama"


Probably a hint that its time to let old drama die.
 
2020-04-21 4:39:32 AM  

MBK: Moderator: MBK: Why is it, that a discussion board behind a paywall on a site that has an average user age of mid 30s to early 40s, is incredibly moderated for no reason?

Not sure what the question is exactly. Do you mean TFD?

Why are comments deleted so rigorously on TFD if it is behind a paywall and why are words still censored? Why not let people control the content they see by allowing them the option to see words like f*ck


This isn't Riddick. That's why.
 
2020-04-21 4:39:34 AM  
Why are you the way you are?
 
2020-04-21 4:39:41 AM  
What practical steps has Fark taken to appeal to its previously loyal user base?

Do you have any demographic data about the current, active members?

Is anyone interested in another poop survey?
 
2020-04-21 4:40:14 AM  

darkhorse23: MBK: Moderator: MBK: Why is it, that a discussion board behind a paywall on a site that has an average user age of mid 30s to early 40s, is incredibly moderated for no reason?

Not sure what the question is exactly. Do you mean TFD?

Why are comments deleted so rigorously on TFD if it is behind a paywall and why are words still censored? Why not let people control the content they see by allowing them the option to see words like f*ck

This isn't Riddick. That's why.


Reddit, damnyouautocorrect
 
2020-04-21 4:40:54 AM  
How many hoagies have you eaten this week?
 
2020-04-21 4:41:32 AM  

CatherineM: How many (asking numbers, not names) members have been perma-banned?


We dont have a list that I know of. I'm sure theres one in a db file, but its likely got tens of thousands in it because of all the spammers who get permabanned. So actual users who got banned? no idea
 
2020-04-21 4:42:15 AM  
What was the April Fool's prank this year? I missed it, obvs.

Have you thought about bringing back the dating aspect? I feel like it would gain some traction now.

What is the most consistent violation of the "rules" you see on a regular basis?

Does each mod get sole discretion in removing any post?
 
2020-04-21 4:43:34 AM  

MBK: Why not let people control the content they see by allowing them the option to see words like f*ck


We use filters because shiat, it's farking funny.
/penis
 
2020-04-21 4:43:58 AM  
Yes, it is true.

I got a $11 box of wine (3L) from Wal*Mart.  It actually doesn't suck.
 
2020-04-21 4:44:28 AM  
Any chance we can announce our arrival in a thread with a 'signature tune' or 'sound effect'?
The ol' flatulence well is getting kinda dry in the text joke department.
 
2020-04-21 4:45:16 AM  

CatherineM: How many (asking numbers, not names) members have been perma-banned?


Being that spammers make up the vast majority of those who are permabanned, I don't think that any answer we could give would mean anything related to what I believe you're asking.

CatherineM: Do thread votes (up at the top there) actually determine whether or not a thread is removed?


Only in TFD.

CatherineM: What do the mods think is the reason for declining TotalFark memberships?


They're actually starting to go up a bit.

CatherineM: Can you talk a little about the cultural shift you've witnessed on TFD in the last year?


I have seen more selfie threads lately. Any shift in culture over the total of the past year has been skewed a bit in the past couple of months due to the COVID-19 thing. More traffic, more ideas.
 
2020-04-21 4:46:35 AM  
Have the powers that be ever given any thought to easing up on the gestapo-like moderation in comment threads, and either 1) letting people speak their minds, or 2) using some form of community moderation to let the users themselves have some say in what they do and don't want to see?

Not that I'm saying Fark should turn into Reddit, but if you take them as an example: you rarely see comments get deleted by the modmins simply because it criticizes Reddit itself, or it's moderation.
You don't see comments getting deleted because someone has the temerity to mention something that happened on Reddit five years ago.

They allow their users some form of freedom, and guess what?  They're the seventh most popular website on the internet.
 
2020-04-21 4:47:06 AM  
How do you feel?
 
2020-04-21 4:48:19 AM  

make me some tea: How do you feel?


I Got You (I Feel Good)
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2020-04-21 4:48:26 AM  
Why did someone give me total fark today? First day of total Fark in over 14 years.
 
2020-04-21 4:48:50 AM  

CatherineM: What practical steps has Fark taken to appeal to its previously loyal user base?


We've adopted a snarky attitude to people who ask silly questions

CatherineM: Do you have any demographic data about the current, active members?


None that we will publicly release at this time.

CatherineM: Is anyone interested in another poop survey?


We're still studying the results of the last one, but when we decide another is needed, you'll be the first we notify.
 
2020-04-21 4:49:28 AM  

WhiskeySticks: How many hoagies have you eaten this week?


None. The store was out of hoagie rolls.
 
2020-04-21 4:49:59 AM  

CatherineM: Does each mod get sole discretion in removing any post?


When actively modding, black/white violations are removed of course. After they've been around for a while, mods remove posts based on the rules and their judgment. All deletions, timeouts etc are completely visible and transparent to all other mods. Gray area posts are discussed in the group until a determination is made. Then we all adopt the ruling for that type of post.
 
2020-04-21 4:50:30 AM  

Moderator: MBK: Why not let people control the content they see by allowing them the option to see words like f*ck

We use filters because shiat, it's farking funny.
/penis


I just wanted everyone to know that it'll be 20 degrees below average tomorrow up here... half a foot of snow is on the way.

So, it'll be a bit chilly.

.....
 
2020-04-21 4:50:48 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Moderator: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Is it true that the only way to become a Moderator is to kill a Moderator?

We've moved to rap battles now.

That's gotta be the whitest, oldest rap battle ever.  What do you rhyme with "Whole Foods?"


Swole Dudes
 
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