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(IndieWire)   James Cameron is hoping that 'Avengers fatigue' sets in pretty soon. "Not that I don't love the movies. It's just, come on guys, there are other stories...." In other news 'Waiting For Avatar 2 fatigue' shows no signs of ending anytime soon   ( indiewire.com) divider line
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2018-04-22 09:51:31 AM  
I have tickets to see this at our local IMAX next Sunday.

I haven't been this excited about a movie in a long time.
 
2018-04-22 09:58:09 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: I have tickets to see this at our local IMAX next Sunday.

I haven't been this excited about a movie in a long time.


This. The nerdgasm is going to be huge. HUGE
 
2018-04-22 10:03:24 AM  
"Did someone say Avatar 2?  Squeeeeee!"

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2018-04-22 10:12:37 AM  
For a guy worth over a billion dollars, he sure complains a lot.
 
2018-04-22 10:32:50 AM  
Big words for a guy who hasn't made a decent movie since 1994.
 
2018-04-22 10:38:10 AM  
There is no denying he can put out a movie that people will pay to see.  Sometimes multiple times.  But even though it made an ass ton of money, is Avatar the property to return to for a sequel?  Are there hundreds of thousands of rabid fans out there waiting to put their money down to return to the land of the blue again?
 
2018-04-22 10:56:06 AM  
This is a joke right? From the guy who is making yet another Terminator movie with the same stars? A movie while great, had about the thinnest premise you can get.

BizarreMan: is Avatar the property to return to for a sequel?  Are there hundreds of thousands of rabid fans out there waiting to put their money down to return to the land of the blue again?


I don't know anyone, online or IRL.
 
2018-04-22 11:06:27 AM  
I've said the same thing. We're all going to look back on this era and cringe. Why did we make so many superhero movies?
 
2018-04-22 11:10:53 AM  

SoupGuru: I've said the same thing. We're all going to look back on this era and cringe. Why did we make so many superhero movies?


It might be a good thing to cut down on their frequency.  But as long as they keep putting out the high quality movies I'm not complaining too hard.
 
2018-04-22 11:18:19 AM  

BizarreMan: It might be a good thing to cut down on their frequency.  But as long as they keep putting out the high quality movies I'm not complaining too hard.


And as long as they bring in the green, the studios will keep churning them out. And if/when they actually run out of comic book characters, well we've seen that's obviously not a problem.
 
2018-04-22 11:34:15 AM  
Yes, there are other stories.  Like Dances With Wolves and Pocahontas.
 
2018-04-22 11:35:09 AM  

BizarreMan: SoupGuru: I've said the same thing. We're all going to look back on this era and cringe. Why did we make so many superhero movies?

It might be a good thing to cut down on their frequency.  But as long as they keep putting out the high quality movies I'm not complaining too hard.


Yeah, I mean they had the Infinity Gauntlet/War story laying around so as long as the movies kept making money... Why not?

On the other hand, I think the unbelievably shallow story telling of the newer Star Wars films will be more cringe worthy. "You mean they made a film based off a single line from the first movie?"
 
2018-04-22 11:37:17 AM  

LaBlueSkuld: On the other hand, I think the unbelievably shallow story telling of the newer Star Wars films will be more cringe worthy. "You mean they made a film based off a single line from the first movie?"


I don't disagree, but what line?
 
2018-04-22 11:38:58 AM  
Avatar was stupid.
 
2018-04-22 11:39:57 AM  

LaBlueSkuld: On the other hand, I think the unbelievably shallow story telling of the newer Star Wars films will be more cringe worthy. "You mean they made a film based off a single line from the first movie?"


Not sure what line you mean but what could be more shallow than basically the same story told with different superheroes all ending in the same big CGI battle?
 
2018-04-22 11:41:02 AM  

Mugato: Not sure what line you mean but what could be more shallow than basically the same story told with different superheroes all ending in the same big CGI battle?


A big ball shaped planet killer that has to be blown up that has a trench in it that fighters fly in?
 
2018-04-22 11:41:23 AM  
Put out another Titanic documentary, asshole
 
2018-04-22 11:43:05 AM  
I like the superhero movies. MCU seems to have the knack of great action and not taking itself *too* seriously. Pretty much all fun. And of course they're going to make money hand over fist with the built-in marketing.

RE: Star Wars. Anyone else feel that "Solo" is going to be verrrrrry underwhelming? I thought the trailer was pretty 'meh' but YMMV. I asked my 13-year-old stepdaughter about the buzz for this movie at her school and she said no one cares.
 
2018-04-22 11:43:30 AM  

Mugato: LaBlueSkuld: On the other hand, I think the unbelievably shallow story telling of the newer Star Wars films will be more cringe worthy. "You mean they made a film based off a single line from the first movie?"

Not sure what line you mean but what could be more shallow than basically the same story told with different superheroes all ending in the same big CGI battle?


The original film had a big CGI battle?
 
2018-04-22 11:46:01 AM  
You have so many options on the small screen now that it does not make sense to pay to see a movie in a theater unless the experience is made significantly better by the large screen and sound system.  Big budget special effects movies are better in a theater.  Comedies, romance movies, period pieces and most Oscar bait, not so much...
 
2018-04-22 11:46:13 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: I have tickets to see this at our local IMAX next Sunday.

I haven't been this excited about a movie in a long time.


I've never gone to imax but my 6 year old loves the avengers movies. He does the normal theater and 3D just fine.  Think he'll be fine at imax?
 
2018-04-22 11:47:25 AM  
Shiny bright flashy things
Robert Downy Jr penis
Blow up a city
You will watch and get mad at people for not liking it as much as you did
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2018-04-22 11:47:39 AM  
"AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction." The six-part docuseries, which premieres Monday, April 30, tackles various subjects about the genre (such as aliens and artificial intelligence) via interviews with notables including Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Ridley Scott, Christopher Nolan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Will Smith and Sigourney Weaver. "

Science fiction?
 
2018-04-22 11:48:51 AM  
He's hoping for Avengers fatigue, but he thinks people want 4 Avatar movies?
 
2018-04-22 11:49:15 AM  

clkeagle: The original film had a big CGI battle?


I was talking about most comic book movies.
 
2018-04-22 11:53:00 AM  

Bslim: "AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction." The six-part docuseries, which premieres Monday, April 30, tackles various subjects about the genre (such as aliens and artificial intelligence) via interviews with notables including Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Ridley Scott, Christopher Nolan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Will Smith and Sigourney Weaver. "

Science fiction?


Fictional stories based around science that isn't currently available.
 
2018-04-22 11:56:54 AM  

NeoCortex42: Bslim: "AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction." The six-part docuseries, which premieres Monday, April 30, tackles various subjects about the genre (such as aliens and artificial intelligence) via interviews with notables including Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Ridley Scott, Christopher Nolan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Will Smith and Sigourney Weaver. "

Science fiction?

Fictional stories based around science that isn't currently available.


Oh God please let's not argue about what is sci-fi and what's fantasy again. There's so much James Cameron to mock with that time.
 
2018-04-22 11:58:31 AM  
You know what? Maybe if you maybe put out a few of those stories yourself, folks might see those alternatives. Or maybe you're thinking about milking the Terminator franchise one more time, and rooting around for any spare pocket change that you might have missed with every OTHER spin on the original, or another medium to loot one more go around?

Your big award filled movie was literally like NOTHING in your oeuvre. At least folks like del Toro or Joss Whedon have maintained their wheelhouses, and have never pretended to be anything OTHER than what they are, which is to say kind of eclectic and geeky directors who have their quirks, and embrace them. Get back in the chair, and make something that forces folks to recognize those OTHER stories that you want to tell, which by MOST of your history, will include some explosions, a kid or two in danger, a handsome and mature woman handling her own sh*t, and some terrifying special effects creations trying to end your protagonists. And given that you pocket a decent penny any time someone mentions THE Terminator, or A Terminator, and there have been a LOT of books, comics, shows, movies, shorts, and more all related to that franchise alone, maybe you're not the one to talk about "telling different stories"...
 
2018-04-22 12:01:59 PM  

BizarreMan: There is no denying he can put out a movie that people will pay to see.  Sometimes multiple times.  But even though it made an ass ton of money, is Avatar the property to return to for a sequel?  Are there hundreds of thousands of rabid fans out there waiting to put their money down to return to the land of the blue again?


This. I think the Avatar sequels will not do well. They won't "flop" or "bomb", but they won't do anywhere close to the business of the original. That was a 3D fad of the month movie with a plot so predictable and cliche'd that it relied utterly on the novelty and spectacle of 3D.  The way he's talking it sound like he thinks 2 and 3 will have an actual plot and actual characters. How much retconning will he have to do to fit in with the first film?
How many "Avatar fans" are there? The Star Trek and Staw Wars fanbases are huge, and now the MCU has built up a huge following with an unbroken run of solid, fun, movies. Avatar? Are there many people out there eagerly waiting for 'Avatar 2: Avatar Harder'
I think the second one will underperfom and the third, which will get released since they've already made it, will show a significant drop off.
 
2018-04-22 12:07:47 PM  

hubiestubert: You know what? Maybe if you maybe put out a few of those stories yourself, folks might see those alternatives. Or maybe you're thinking about milking the Terminator franchise one more time, and rooting around for any spare pocket change that you might have missed with every OTHER spin on the original, or another medium to loot one more go around?

Your big award filled movie was literally like NOTHING in your oeuvre. At least folks like del Toro or Joss Whedon have maintained their wheelhouses, and have never pretended to be anything OTHER than what they are, which is to say kind of eclectic and geeky directors who have their quirks, and embrace them. Get back in the chair, and make something that forces folks to recognize those OTHER stories that you want to tell, which by MOST of your history, will include some explosions, a kid or two in danger, a handsome and mature woman handling her own sh*t, and some terrifying special effects creations trying to end your protagonists. And given that you pocket a decent penny any time someone mentions THE Terminator, or A Terminator, and there have been a LOT of books, comics, shows, movies, shorts, and more all related to that franchise alone, maybe you're not the one to talk about "telling different stories"...


Good points. It will be eleven years between Avatar and Avatar 2. How many cool original movies could he have made in those eleven years? If you really care about the story then why does it have to be a CGI monster? He could have made ten original movies in that time, and started new franchises. Marvel don't own the theatres, they can't stop him releasing movies and if they're good they'll find an audience.
Instead he's spent a decade chasing Moby Dick while other movie makers have been making movies.
 
2018-04-22 12:08:16 PM  

NeoCortex42: Bslim: "AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction." The six-part docuseries, which premieres Monday, April 30, tackles various subjects about the genre (such as aliens and artificial intelligence) via interviews with notables including Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Ridley Scott, Christopher Nolan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Will Smith and Sigourney Weaver. "

Science fiction?

Fictional stories based around science that isn't currently available.


I know, I know. Is Terminator science fiction? Alien and Aliens are more horror and action. Star Wars is nowhere near science fiction.
 
2018-04-22 12:09:01 PM  

SoupGuru: I've said the same thing. We're all going to look back on this era and cringe. Why did we make so many superhero movies?


Not really. Does anyone look back at the 50s and 60s and think Hollywood made too many Westerns? It's an era. It will eventually pass, something new will take its place, and my fellow millennials will be the old men watching reruns of superhero movies and grumbling about teenagers.
 
2018-04-22 12:09:04 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: BizarreMan: There is no denying he can put out a movie that people will pay to see.  Sometimes multiple times.  But even though it made an ass ton of money, is Avatar the property to return to for a sequel?  Are there hundreds of thousands of rabid fans out there waiting to put their money down to return to the land of the blue again?

This. I think the Avatar sequels will not do well. They won't "flop" or "bomb", but they won't do anywhere close to the business of the original. That was a 3D fad of the month movie with a plot so predictable and cliche'd that it relied utterly on the novelty and spectacle of 3D.  The way he's talking it sound like he thinks 2 and 3 will have an actual plot and actual characters. How much retconning will he have to do to fit in with the first film?
How many "Avatar fans" are there? The Star Trek and Staw Wars fanbases are huge, and now the MCU has built up a huge following with an unbroken run of solid, fun, movies. Avatar? Are there many people out there eagerly waiting for 'Avatar 2: Avatar Harder'
I think the second one will underperfom and the third, which will get released since they've already made it, will show a significant drop off.


Bull farking shiat. they are all going to do a billion and you know it.

Book mark this thread
 
2018-04-22 12:10:11 PM  
if he spent less time complaining and more time actually working on movies we might have had Avatar 2 by now.

/not that i care about Avatar
//nor the Sequels
///nor anything else he has recently done
 
2018-04-22 12:11:18 PM  
Marvel's king of the world now, Cameron. Face it.
 
2018-04-22 12:21:31 PM  

BizarreMan: There is no denying he can put out a movie that people will pay to see.  Sometimes multiple times.  But even though it made an ass ton of money, is Avatar the property to return to for a sequel?  Are there hundreds of thousands of rabid fans out there waiting to put their money down to return to the land of the blue again?


You do realize Disney has themed an entire section of one of their parks around Avatar right? And they are the most in demand rides in their parks?

Get ready for an onslaught.
 
2018-04-22 12:21:46 PM  

BizarreMan: There is no denying he can put out a movie that people will pay to see.  Sometimes multiple times.  But even though it made an ass ton of money, is Avatar the property to return to for a sequel?  Are there hundreds of thousands of rabid fans out there waiting to put their money down to return to the land of the blue again?


Well for the porn version I bet there is.
 
2018-04-22 12:22:33 PM  
A year, maybe two, after the initial release of Avatar, yeah, I'd been psyched for a sequel. But after all this time, and several aborted attempts to watch it on Blu-Ray, I don't care anymore. It's clear that movie was entirely about the visual spectacle. I would probably see a sequel in theaters, because obviously that's the only way to see it, but if it never happens, I won't be disappointed.

Marvel movies, though, yeah, I have every single one on Blu-Ray and have watched them on my TV multiple times (well, except for Incredible Hulk and IM 3). In fact I think I could go for another Civil War or Winter Soldier right now.
 
2018-04-22 12:22:50 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: BizarreMan: There is no denying he can put out a movie that people will pay to see.  Sometimes multiple times.  But even though it made an ass ton of money, is Avatar the property to return to for a sequel?  Are there hundreds of thousands of rabid fans out there waiting to put their money down to return to the land of the blue again?

This. I think the Avatar sequels will not do well. They won't "flop" or "bomb", but they won't do anywhere close to the business of the original. That was a 3D fad of the month movie with a plot so predictable and cliche'd that it relied utterly on the novelty and spectacle of 3D.  The way he's talking it sound like he thinks 2 and 3 will have an actual plot and actual characters. How much retconning will he have to do to fit in with the first film?
How many "Avatar fans" are there? The Star Trek and Staw Wars fanbases are huge, and now the MCU has built up a huge following with an unbroken run of solid, fun, movies. Avatar? Are there many people out there eagerly waiting for 'Avatar 2: Avatar Harder'
I think the second one will underperfom and the third, which will get released since they've already made it, will show a significant drop off.


Stalling on getting a sequel out has pretty much stalled the whole thing. It's been almost a decade, and in that same time frame, Marvel will have put out 21 films to tie into their franchise, and that doesn't touch the TV shows that tie in as well. While "developing the technology" to give that "vision life" the MCU has just charged ahead and just MADE films, and either developed the tech on the way, or made do with what was available, and made workable films. And profitable films. And therein is the rub. The money talks. Avatar was successful, and it was gorgeous, but it's been nearly a decade, and nothing is slated even until 2020, which means that the MCU is going to have their next seasons of TV shows out again, twice, AND their next round of films out again, across the board.

It's not that Cameron is all that mad about "telling different stories" because he's been perfectly fine retreading his own franchises readily enough, and beating THAT into the ground, again and again, he's just mad that he doesn't have a team of folks and directors champing at the bit to do as widespread and varied properties tied into something he's got a toe in. He HAD the opportunity with Avatar and could have launched related properties, but he was slow out of the gate, and simply couldn't follow up on its success, so now he's grousing about the MCU and the genre because he's NOT involved, remotely.

Star Wars? Star Trek? They have not only continuing fans, but they've had a steady stream of titles to keep them busy, in television and in film, and with things related to the franchise at a constant rate. From games to shows to films. It has KEPT those franchises firmly in place and with a constantly expanding fan base--or at least keeping a fan base that is interested in the new stuff. Cameron has ONE franchise that has kept on, and he gets his nut from that, but they haven't expanded hugely on the premise. He's HAD the opportunity, but he's wasted a lot of chances. Again and again.
 
2018-04-22 12:24:37 PM  
Bitter old man yells at cloud.

Fark you, Cameron. There's plenty of room for good movies out there. Work on making some.
 
2018-04-22 12:25:12 PM  

fisker: Carter Pewterschmidt: BizarreMan: There is no denying he can put out a movie that people will pay to see.  Sometimes multiple times.  But even though it made an ass ton of money, is Avatar the property to return to for a sequel?  Are there hundreds of thousands of rabid fans out there waiting to put their money down to return to the land of the blue again?

This. I think the Avatar sequels will not do well. They won't "flop" or "bomb", but they won't do anywhere close to the business of the original. That was a 3D fad of the month movie with a plot so predictable and cliche'd that it relied utterly on the novelty and spectacle of 3D.  The way he's talking it sound like he thinks 2 and 3 will have an actual plot and actual characters. How much retconning will he have to do to fit in with the first film?
How many "Avatar fans" are there? The Star Trek and Staw Wars fanbases are huge, and now the MCU has built up a huge following with an unbroken run of solid, fun, movies. Avatar? Are there many people out there eagerly waiting for 'Avatar 2: Avatar Harder'
I think the second one will underperfom and the third, which will get released since they've already made it, will show a significant drop off.

Bull farking shiat. they are all going to do a billion and you know it.

Book mark this thread


Why? I don't care how much they make. Avatar made over a billion and it didn't make me want to ever watch it again, nor did it get me excited over the threatened sequels. Go see them and enjoy if you like. If I want to watch cartoon cat people jumping around fighting stuff, I can pick up a blu-ray set of the old Thundercats series.

I might check out his new Terminator out of sheer morbid curiosity, but it'll be a rental at best. It's not worth a whole evening at a theater just to see yet another nostalgia property claw its way out of the grave and awkwardly trample all over its legacy.
 
2018-04-22 12:26:09 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: BizarreMan: There is no denying he can put out a movie that people will pay to see.  Sometimes multiple times.  But even though it made an ass ton of money, is Avatar the property to return to for a sequel?  Are there hundreds of thousands of rabid fans out there waiting to put their money down to return to the land of the blue again?

You do realize Disney has themed an entire section of one of their parks around Avatar right? And they are the most in demand rides in their parks?

Get ready for an onslaught.


Are they good rides? Because no one gives a shiat about the themes.
 
2018-04-22 12:27:11 PM  
Advanced enough science is indistinguishable from magic.

Also never seen Avatar, won't see A2 either.

Inifinity wars yes, solo probably, ready player one, probably not

Yeah I'm a weird one
 
2018-04-22 12:27:26 PM  

LaBlueSkuld: BizarreMan: SoupGuru: I've said the same thing. We're all going to look back on this era and cringe. Why did we make so many superhero movies?

It might be a good thing to cut down on their frequency.  But as long as they keep putting out the high quality movies I'm not complaining too hard.

Yeah, I mean they had the Infinity Gauntlet/War story laying around so as long as the movies kept making money... Why not?

On the other hand, I think the unbelievably shallow story telling of the newer Star Wars films will be more cringe worthy. "You mean they made a film based off a single line from the first movie?"


Are you talking shiat about Rogue One, probably the best-loved SW movie since Empire?
 
2018-04-22 12:29:53 PM  

Bslim: NeoCortex42: Bslim: "AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction." The six-part docuseries, which premieres Monday, April 30, tackles various subjects about the genre (such as aliens and artificial intelligence) via interviews with notables including Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Ridley Scott, Christopher Nolan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Will Smith and Sigourney Weaver. "

Science fiction?

Fictional stories based around science that isn't currently available.

I know, I know. Is Terminator science fiction? Alien and Aliens are more horror and action. Star Wars is nowhere near science fiction.


Maybe he can make a six-part documentary on the history of pedantry. They can spend the first 5 parts arguing about the definition.
 
2018-04-22 12:30:24 PM  

Fireproof: LaBlueSkuld: BizarreMan: SoupGuru: I've said the same thing. We're all going to look back on this era and cringe. Why did we make so many superhero movies?

It might be a good thing to cut down on their frequency.  But as long as they keep putting out the high quality movies I'm not complaining too hard.

Yeah, I mean they had the Infinity Gauntlet/War story laying around so as long as the movies kept making money... Why not?

On the other hand, I think the unbelievably shallow story telling of the newer Star Wars films will be more cringe worthy. "You mean they made a film based off a single line from the first movie?"

Are you talking shiat about Rogue One, probably the best-loved SW movie since Empire?



Best loved? It had no Jar Jar!!
 
2018-04-22 12:30:55 PM  
Cameron to me makes movies based on absolutely terrific special effects and fantastic art direction with good performances, and the screenplay itself is usually tailored around what's in the camera.  As a result, you get something like Titanic, which is 1958's A Night to Remember injected with a love story straight out of  the '30's (impoverished boy/girl teaches wealthy boy/girl about true love overcoming circumstances).  There are definitely other stories to tell beyond superheroes saving the universe.  And someone will tell them.  But I question Cameron's ability to do that if he doesn't farm out the screenplay chores to someone other than himself.
 
2018-04-22 12:31:06 PM  
Well Jim, if you wanted to see a different type of movie, you should have become a movie producer or a director, instead of whatever it is you do.
 
2018-04-22 12:31:45 PM  
Cameron should just skip from Avatar to Avatar 4 - The Revenge. "This time it's personal."
 
2018-04-22 12:32:40 PM  

fisker: Bull farking shiat. they are all going to do a billion and you know it.


No way. The first Avatar was the first of the "new wave" of 3D movies and had little competition. It didn't really have any memorable stars or performances and Cameron's been dicking around underwater for a decade and may have missed his window. Hell, there isn't even a great deal of merchandise from the original.
 
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