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2018-04-17 04:02:19 AM  
Tripping balls in exotic drug rituals involving ayahuasca

Therein lies the distinction. Just do those drugs at home with some friends and good music like the rest of us.
 
2018-04-17 04:07:45 AM  
Speaking of ayahuasca, a friend of mine (well, former friend, he went flat-Earther recently after a long string of conspiracy theory nuttery) told me about doing that in some sort of ceremony where the men and women were separated lest their "energies contaminated one another" or some such bullshiat.
 
2018-04-17 05:19:42 AM  
I've read enough Carlos Castaneda that I get a free appropriation pass for hallucinogenic rituals.
 
2018-04-17 05:28:10 AM  
When we were in Peru last year we saw orginsations (catering to tourists) advertising that they could accommodate ayahuasca diets, like it was a real religious/allergy regime like vegetarianism or gluten-free.

I imagine they ate a lot of spit.
 
2018-04-17 05:44:50 AM  
"Cultural Survival"

Let it go. It's served its purpose.

Culture, religion, race, to a lesser degree sportsball/gofastmachine- it's all farking tribalism and it breeds idiocy, credulity and bigotry whilst adding very little of value.

The quicker they all die out the better off we will be.

It has no place in a rational world and it's being permitted to damage multiple generations because 'feelings'.
 
2018-04-17 05:53:37 AM  
So is blackjack, but you don't see us complaining
 
2018-04-17 06:02:04 AM  
So it's a good thing?  Because pretty much every good thing I can think of when it comes to culture came about because of so-called "cultural appropriation".
 
2018-04-17 06:26:08 AM  
Stick to LSD Anglo-Saxons!!!
 
2018-04-17 06:30:23 AM  

dittybopper: So it's a good thing?  Because pretty much every good thing I can think of when it comes to culture came about because of so-called "cultural appropriation".


"Cultural Appropriation" is American as American gets.  We're the great melting pot, right?  "Cultural Appropriation" is the melting pot actually melting stuff.

It's one of those fantastic sayings that perfectly serves to make idiots publicly self-identify.
 
2018-04-17 06:43:37 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: "Cultural Survival"

Let it go. It's served its purpose.

Culture, religion, race, to a lesser degree sportsball/gofastmachine- it's all farking tribalism and it breeds idiocy, credulity and bigotry whilst adding very little of value.

The quicker they all die out the better off we will be.

It has no place in a rational world and it's being permitted to damage multiple generations because 'feelings'.


Doubleplusgood, Brother.
 
2018-04-17 07:03:24 AM  

Cpl.D: dittybopper: So it's a good thing?  Because pretty much every good thing I can think of when it comes to culture came about because of so-called "cultural appropriation".

"Cultural Appropriation" is American as American gets.  We're the great melting pot, right?  "Cultural Appropriation" is the melting pot actually melting stuff.

It's one of those fantastic sayings that perfectly serves to make idiots publicly self-identify.


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2018-04-17 07:04:29 AM  
Who appropriated firewater then, huh?
 
2018-04-17 07:06:04 AM  
Thw phrase "Cultural appropriation" is reverse racism. It basically says "you're not X, so you cannot Y." Toilets were a white western culture invention, does that mean we should force everyone else to shiat in a hole because it's cultural appropriation?

Just another way the world is going full Idiocracy .
 
2018-04-17 07:09:56 AM  
tuxq:  Toilets were a white western culture invention, does that mean we should force everyone else to shiat in a hole because it's cultural appropriation?


Worse than that. Toilet paper is technically Chinese...

Better have yourself a fresh supply of burdock handy...
 
2018-04-17 07:11:17 AM  
'Ayahuasca, peyote, etc. are spiritual and cultural practices that are rooted in specific cultures and should not be commercialized and exploited, but protected as private community sacred practices.

Commercialization and exploitation are spiritual and cultural practices deeply rooted in western civilization. So there.
 
2018-04-17 07:30:58 AM  
You can't like, claim drugs as your own and get bent out of shape when someone else uses them in a way other than you prescribe, mannnnn
 
2018-04-17 07:38:10 AM  

Cpl.D: dittybopper: So it's a good thing?  Because pretty much every good thing I can think of when it comes to culture came about because of so-called "cultural appropriation".

"Cultural Appropriation" is American as American gets.  We're the great melting pot, right?  "Cultural Appropriation" is the melting pot actually melting stuff.

It's one of those fantastic sayings that perfectly serves to make idiots publicly self-identify.


I've made the same point myself many times.

Of late, I've wondered how in the ever living *FARK* did we go from this:

Schoolhouse Rock - ''The Great American Melting Pot''
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To worrying about fashion choices being "culturally inappropriate" in just 40 years?

And if you want to take this concept to its logical conclusion, formal education is largely a European, Middle Eastern, and Asian cultural phenomenon.  Africans and Native Americans didn't have it.  You want to impress me with your commitment to cultural purity?  Drop out of school, or if its too late for that, don't permit your kids to go to school.
 
2018-04-17 07:40:12 AM  

dittybopper: And if you want to take this concept to its logical conclusion, formal education is largely a European, Middle Eastern, and Asian cultural phenomenon.  Africans and Native Americans didn't have it.  You want to impress me with your commitment to cultural purity?  Drop out of school, or if its too late for that, don't permit your kids to go to school.


Oh, and for those who are terminally clueless, this is an example of reductio ad absurdum.
 
2018-04-17 07:40:49 AM  

dittybopper: t to its logical conclusion, formal education is largely a European, Middle Eastern, and Asian cultural phenomenon. Africans and Native Americans didn't have it. You want to impress me with your commitment to cultural purity? Drop out of school, or if its too late for that, don't permit your kids to go to school.


There it is...
 
2018-04-17 07:45:30 AM  

BafflerMeal: dittybopper: t to its logical conclusion, formal education is largely a European, Middle Eastern, and Asian cultural phenomenon. Africans and Native Americans didn't have it. You want to impress me with your commitment to cultural purity? Drop out of school, or if its too late for that, don't permit your kids to go to school.

There it is...


Yeah, I *KNEW* some moron wouldn't get it.  Look at the post immediately above yours.
 
2018-04-17 07:50:53 AM  

dittybopper: BafflerMeal: dittybopper: t to its logical conclusion, formal education is largely a European, Middle Eastern, and Asian cultural phenomenon. Africans and Native Americans didn't have it. You want to impress me with your commitment to cultural purity? Drop out of school, or if its too late for that, don't permit your kids to go to school.

There it is...

Yeah, I *KNEW* some moron wouldn't get it.  Look at the post immediately above yours.


If you have to explain the joke...
 
2018-04-17 07:51:30 AM  
I can't quite tell what the article is complaining about. If they are saying that white trust fund brats who don't know what the fark they're talking about shouldn't market themselves as medicine healers, thereby taking business away from and damaging the reputation of people with ethnic roots in these practices, then that I can understand. But if they are saying that no white person should attend these rituals, even with an open mind and heart, then that's too much. Everyone should share the best parts of their cultures with the world, to anyone greeting them with love and curiosity.
 
2018-04-17 07:56:46 AM  
Shrooms grow on every continent but one. How can you culturally appropriate something that grows almost everywhere people live?
 
2018-04-17 08:02:58 AM  

Cpl.D: dittybopper: So it's a good thing?  Because pretty much every good thing I can think of when it comes to culture came about because of so-called "cultural appropriation".

"Cultural Appropriation" is American as American gets.  We're the great melting pot, right?  "Cultural Appropriation" is the melting pot actually melting stuff.

It's one of those fantastic sayings that perfectly serves to make idiots publicly self-identify.


Accusations of "cultural appropriation" are one of those things underpinned by a sort of "benevolent racism".  It's based on the assumption that being a member of a certain race makes you automatically better at something than someone of another race.  That a white guy who trained for decades under a master sushi chef will nevertheless always make "imitation" sushi, whereas sushi from any random Japanese yatsu will be inherently more "authentic", even if it's shiat.  Sort of like how atheists tend to be more knowledgeable of the Bible than Christians, just because you happen to be from the culture that originated a certain thing doesn't make you inherently better at it than someone outside of it.
 
2018-04-17 08:03:34 AM  

Tommy Moo: taking business away from and damaging the reputation of people with ethnic roots in these practices, then that I can understand


"Cultural roots" is meaningless bleating from those terrified of change.

Know what else "culture" gives us? Poor hygiene, child marriage and ritual abuse.

Fark culture and all those whining about its dissolution. We're making it our own here. They'll get over it.
 
2018-04-17 08:13:57 AM  
The Other Guys (2010) - Aim for the Bushes Scene (2/10) | Movieclips
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2018-04-17 08:15:56 AM  

BafflerMeal: dittybopper: BafflerMeal: dittybopper: t to its logical conclusion, formal education is largely a European, Middle Eastern, and Asian cultural phenomenon. Africans and Native Americans didn't have it. You want to impress me with your commitment to cultural purity? Drop out of school, or if its too late for that, don't permit your kids to go to school.

There it is...

Yeah, I *KNEW* some moron wouldn't get it.  Look at the post immediately above yours.

If you have to explain the joke...


It's the internet. There's always at least one person who needs to have the joke explained to them.  Apparently, today that's you.

/can't believe I'm defending dittybopper...
 
2018-04-17 08:17:02 AM  

tuxq: Thw phrase "Cultural appropriation" is reverse racism. It basically says "you're not X, so you cannot Y." Toilets were a white western culture invention, does that mean we should force everyone else to shiat in a hole because it's cultural appropriation?

Just another way the world is going full Idiocracy .


Yup.  Cultures have been borrowing from each other since we've had civilization.

Spain borrowed all kinds of elements of Islamic culture from when those cultures collided.  The Romans were famous for borrowing elements of other cultures (even their religion was basically them appropriating Greek religion and adding their own elements).  The Koreans and Japanese adapted Chinese writing to their own languages.  There are cultural fingerprints all over Indian society from their British occupation.

When cultures intermingle, they adapt and borrow elements of each other.  That's not "appropriation" in a bad sense, it's the way human civilization and culture work, and has worked for many millennia.  Trying to act like every culture is stuck in amber and is some perfect culture that shouldn't intermingle is a very, very modern mindset towards society.
 
2018-04-17 08:24:48 AM  
My sister's friend has recently become an ayahusca shaman.  She's never actually worked a real job in her life.  After graduating from college, she's simply sold a series of homes and condos that her parents bought for her and lived off of that.
 
2018-04-17 08:28:11 AM  

tuxq: Thw phrase "Cultural appropriation" is reverse racism. It basically says "you're not X, so you cannot Y." Toilets were a white western culture invention, does that mean we should force everyone else to shiat in a hole because it's cultural appropriation?

Just another way the world is going full Idiocracy .


While I think the cultural appropriation conversation outside of blackface is mostly nonsense, I don't see how it relates to Idiocracy.

Just because it's dumb doesn't make it Idiocracy.  Otherwise, you're just using cultural buzzwords in an attempt to sound smart.  Next thing you know, you're calling everyone an entitled, narcissist hipster who moral panics.
 
2018-04-17 08:29:43 AM  
If we're going to talk cultural appropriation, it should mean something. Like taking another culture's sacred symbols and turning them into kitsch (what happened with tikis) or something. Or claiming white people invented jazz.

Let's be simple - does it pass the "asshole/idiot" test. Do you look like an asshole or idiot for doing it. Ayahuasca has a very real cultural tradition behind it, as do most psychedelic drugs. If you do a fake ceremony pulled out of thin air based on gods you borrowed from someone else but don't believe exist, it's cultural appropriation.

That said, these things will gradually develop rituals and culture around them from use. That's what culture is and what it does. Ayahuasca in the broadest sense is just a mixture of a DMT containing plant with a MAOI containing plant. The value of whatever contact with the sacred you get from it is not something anyone else should be determining for you.
 
2018-04-17 08:37:33 AM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: BafflerMeal: dittybopper: BafflerMeal: dittybopper: t to its logical conclusion, formal education is largely a European, Middle Eastern, and Asian cultural phenomenon. Africans and Native Americans didn't have it. You want to impress me with your commitment to cultural purity? Drop out of school, or if its too late for that, don't permit your kids to go to school.

There it is...

Yeah, I *KNEW* some moron wouldn't get it.  Look at the post immediately above yours.

If you have to explain the joke...

It's the internet. There's always at least one person who needs to have the joke explained to them.  Apparently, today that's you.

/can't believe I'm defending dittybopper...


Well, thanks.  And you should withhold your disbelief, because it's my contention that people develop their feelings about things very quickly, with very minimal information, and tend to only remember things that conform to their worldview.  So it's very easy to have an incorrect, or more accurately, incomplete idea of what I'm all about.
 
2018-04-17 08:38:25 AM  

BafflerMeal: dittybopper: BafflerMeal: dittybopper: t to its logical conclusion, formal education is largely a European, Middle Eastern, and Asian cultural phenomenon. Africans and Native Americans didn't have it. You want to impress me with your commitment to cultural purity? Drop out of school, or if its too late for that, don't permit your kids to go to school.

There it is...

Yeah, I *KNEW* some moron wouldn't get it.  Look at the post immediately above yours.

If you have to explain the joke...


...you may be dealing with an idiot who doesn't understand jokes.
 
2018-04-17 08:43:49 AM  
To put it in bigger terms, there are two types of things we take into ourselves - those which are given to us and those which we choose. The things given are are social background, our race, our language, what our parents and society give us whether we like it or not (usually before we have developed the ability to discern).

Then there are second languages, arts and skills, cultures learn about and experience not of our birth, and the things we invent ourselves.

To deny a person their right to experience life in either aspect is a crime. To claim only native people can take ayahuasca or shrooms is a violation of the basic freedom of all others.

There are issues we have now with this - there are real issues from it turning into a cheap tourist game - and there are the deeper issues of cognitive freedom we have with these drugs being illegal. It's no secret that it can be a bad time and fake as a 3 dollar bill. We should not be happy about this. But perhaps we should pause and wonder why so many are searching for the sacred in this particular way.

And if people just want a thrill, that should also be their damn right. I have had enough experince with drugs to know that usually works itself out in it's own way.
 
2018-04-17 08:51:50 AM  

adamatari: If we're going to talk cultural appropriation, it should mean something. Like taking another culture's sacred symbols and turning them into kitsch (what happened with tikis) or something. Or claiming white people invented jazz.

Let's be simple - does it pass the "asshole/idiot" test.


It doesn't matter.   What you are talking about is a very, *VERY* subjective test.  It doesn't matter how sensitive you try to be, someone will *ALWAYS* take offense at it.  Take a look at what happened to Starbucks recently:  They were leading the way in being "racially sensitive", and an incident were two people who weren't customers who were asked to leave, and who subsequently refused and were arrested for trespassing is turned into a racial event.

We went from this:
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To this:
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in just a few short years.

Which is why the "asshole" test is a moronic idea.  No matter how culturally sensitive you try to be, someone will find a way to be offended by it.

I am reminded of that evergreen bit of wisdom from 80's film-making:

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So you know what, I think granting a heckler's veto to whoever has an axe to grind, real or imagined, is simply just a bad idea.
 
2018-04-17 08:53:37 AM  

adamatari: Ayahuasca has a very real cultural tradition behind it, as do most psychedelic drugs


...and? Who cares? What does this mean?

"We wear belt onions because that's how my grampappy did it! But them folk can't do this because <mentally impaired> reasons!"

So basically, credulous fool shouts at cloud. "Culture" is just another form of "us vs them" mentality. It needs to be discarded.
 
2018-04-17 08:58:16 AM  
Like religion, culture is a form of mind control.

/casts lure
 
2018-04-17 09:01:43 AM  

BafflerMeal: dittybopper: BafflerMeal: dittybopper: t to its logical conclusion, formal education is largely a European, Middle Eastern, and Asian cultural phenomenon. Africans and Native Americans didn't have it. You want to impress me with your commitment to cultural purity? Drop out of school, or if its too late for that, don't permit your kids to go to school.

There it is...

Yeah, I *KNEW* some moron wouldn't get it.  Look at the post immediately above yours.

If you have to explain the joke...


That happens to you a lot, doesn't it?

\It's because you're not smart.
 
2018-04-17 09:04:21 AM  

Rapmaster2000: While I think the cultural appropriation conversation outside of blackface is mostly nonsense, I don't see how it relates to Idiocracy.


Blackface isn't cultural appropriation.

Hell, jazz/rock isn't even cultural appropriation. How southern music came about was through a series of exchanges between black and white musicians adapting parts they liked from each other's music. (And occasionally mocking it)
 
2018-04-17 09:07:57 AM  
Somehow I doubt that the shady fly by night scam artists that are bilking tourists for fake trips and shiatty half remembered cultural trappings are white. It's hardly cultural appropriation if the guys doing it are from the same culture.
 
2018-04-17 09:09:52 AM  
That site sucks so badly and yet I couldn't not stare at the spinning pizza spinning and spinning it's-like-a-real-life-hypnotoad-oh-god​-oh-god - wait

One study with 17 depressed volunteers showed a decrease in activity in areas of the brain which tend to be overactive in conditions such as depression and anxiety.

How does that work?
"We need 17 volunteers, but you won't have fun, get paid or live long and prosper."

As to cultural appropriation. Um, that horse left the barn a long time ago. I mean, a loooong time ago.
 
2018-04-17 09:20:44 AM  

This text is now purple: Blackface isn't cultural appropriation.


That's fair.  I think what I meant was it might be cultural appropriation if it makes you look like a jackass.

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Eh, I'm not even sure what cultural appropriation is.  I do know that it's not Idiocracy, and this guy looks like a jackass.
 
2018-04-17 09:27:03 AM  

dittybopper: adamatari: If we're going to talk cultural appropriation, it should mean something. Like taking another culture's sacred symbols and turning them into kitsch (what happened with tikis) or something. Or claiming white people invented jazz.

Let's be simple - does it pass the "asshole/idiot" test.

It doesn't matter.   What you are talking about is a very, *VERY* subjective test.  It doesn't matter how sensitive you try to be, someone will *ALWAYS* take offense at it.  Take a look at what happened to Starbucks recently:  They were leading the way in being "racially sensitive", and an incident were two people who weren't customers who were asked to leave, and who subsequently refused and were arrested for trespassing is turned into a racial event.

We went from this:
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To this:
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in just a few short years.

Which is why the "asshole" test is a moronic idea.  No matter how culturally sensitive you try to be, someone will find a way to be offended by it.

I am reminded of that evergreen bit of wisdom from 80's film-making:

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So you know what, I think granting a heckler's veto to whoever has an axe to grind, real or imagined, is simply just a bad idea.


My mother was talking about the Starbucks protest yesterday. She was livid about them protest the entire company instead of being pissed at the manager for calling the police. She's a black democrat who never would never vote R, but some of this extreme SJW shiat is really starting to piss her off.
 
2018-04-17 09:36:43 AM  

Rapmaster2000: tuxq: Thw phrase "Cultural appropriation" is reverse racism. It basically says "you're not X, so you cannot Y." Toilets were a white western culture invention, does that mean we should force everyone else to shiat in a hole because it's cultural appropriation?

Just another way the world is going full Idiocracy .

While I think the cultural appropriation conversation outside of blackface is mostly nonsense, I don't see how it relates to Idiocracy.

Just because it's dumb doesn't make it Idiocracy.  Otherwise, you're just using cultural buzzwords in an attempt to sound smart.  Next thing you know, you're calling everyone an entitled, narcissist hipster who moral panics.


Lol... I really like that you used a rant about buzzwords, while using buzzwords, to attack a stranger online in an attempt to seem "above the rest." Bravo, Secretary Not Sure, bravo.
 
2018-04-17 09:42:39 AM  

tuxq: Lol... I really like that you used a rant about buzzwords, while using buzzwords,


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2018-04-17 09:58:45 AM  
Re: cultural appropriation

I've thought about this a lot, due to my interests being far from my cultural background. I think people have the right to culturally appropriate however they want, and other people have the right to be offended. That's freedom.

But passing beyond the realm of black and white into the nasty muddle of real life, we should acknowledge that some stuff is just fake and cheap and turning something meaningful into something cheap and nasty is a sad thing. When it comes to a lot of this, the root of the problem is tribalism and ignorance born of the grinding and nasty results of tribalism. Some of it is willful, some accidental.

The only way to escape this is to communicate, to talk and to listen. That's our job if we want to end up decent humans. It also means taking people's intent in mind, and it means thinking critically. If that's hard for you, fine. I can understand not wanting to deal with it because a lot of people are assholes and looking to put someone else down in some way. I've had my own issues with this. But taking the easy way out is not really the best way.

If you're offended, you have the responsibility to explain why, because you don't always know the person is trying to be a dick. But some people are dicks, and what they do does hurt other people. Giving them a free pass ends up with stuff like the Charlottesville issue, so we don't really want to give assholes a free pass.

But that also means we need to not give assholes who are extremists on the other side a free pass either - there are people who would say white people can't play jazz or rap, for instance. fark those people.

It's not easy, but burying your head in the sand is also a dick move.
 
2018-04-17 10:06:56 AM  

dittybopper: adamatari: If we're going to talk cultural appropriation, it should mean something. Like taking another culture's sacred symbols and turning them into kitsch (what happened with tikis) or something. Or claiming white people invented jazz.

Let's be simple - does it pass the "asshole/idiot" test.

It doesn't matter.   What you are talking about is a very, *VERY* subjective test.  It doesn't matter how sensitive you try to be, someone will *ALWAYS* take offense at it.  Take a look at what happened to Starbucks recently:  They were leading the way in being "racially sensitive", and an incident were two people who weren't customers who were asked to leave, and who subsequently refused and were arrested for trespassing is turned into a racial event.

We went from this:
[img.fark.net image 850x381]

To this:
[img.fark.net image 850x477]

in just a few short years.

Which is why the "asshole" test is a moronic idea.  No matter how culturally sensitive you try to be, someone will find a way to be offended by it.

I am reminded of that evergreen bit of wisdom from 80's film-making:

[img.fark.net image 500x285]


So you know what, I think granting a heckler's veto to whoever has an axe to grind, real or imagined, is simply just a bad idea.


Right, it's terrible that people were offended by a couple of black men being arrested for using the bathroom without buying anything.

/which has nothing to do with "cultural appropriation"
 
2018-04-17 10:09:18 AM  
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"I'm tripping balls!"
 
2018-04-17 10:27:44 AM  
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2018-04-17 10:32:04 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: "Cultural Survival"

Let it go. It's served its purpose.

Culture, religion, race, to a lesser degree sportsball/gofastmachine- it's all farking tribalism and it breeds idiocy, credulity and bigotry whilst adding very little of value.

The quicker they all die out the better off we will be.

It has no place in a rational world and it's being permitted to damage multiple generations because 'feelings'.


I see you hate Native Americans and would've supported the Dawes Act.

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Kill the indian (culture, sic), save the child.
 
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