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2018-04-16 04:38:47 PM  
40 votes:
I thought the best part about being a teacher was the availability of the dating pool?
2018-04-16 02:32:37 PM  
28 votes:
I thought they did it for the love of the kids.  How can we justify paying something to do what they love?

/So not serious
2018-04-16 06:00:35 PM  
19 votes:
When my friends and I like to go out trolling at bars, I wear this for some good interactions-

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2018-04-16 06:11:32 PM  
12 votes:
Meh, lots of people put in a lot of hours at crappy jobs for crappy pay. Teachers don't have a corner on that market. They do have a corner on whining about it though.
2018-04-16 07:39:06 PM  
6 votes:
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2018-04-16 07:06:29 PM  
6 votes:
I had a Trumper last summer try to tell me why it was okay that teachers did not make so much, because there just wasn't enough money to go around, and they did not provide the same value to society.  I asked him what he did, and he owns a company that repairs copying machines, and was pretty successful at it, and that the key to his success, he went on, was not paying too much for all the guys actually repairing machines.  His whole argument was wrapped around that he was special, because he owned a business, and so therefore deserved more, more, more, than anyone who actually helped him maintain that business. I told him that I hope the free market delivers a competitor that undercuts his prices and puts him out of business, and that he would deserve his fate, at the other guy would clearly be a better businessman.  He did not think that was fair.
2018-04-16 06:40:54 PM  
6 votes:

Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: They can tell you what gluten is and how it holds the bread together.


But can they tell you how it kills?
2018-04-16 07:28:33 PM  
5 votes:
Ah, the old "extra hours spent grading papers" myth. If I had a dollar for every time a teacher told us "Give your quiz/test to your neighbor so we can grade them!" I'd be retired already.
2018-04-16 07:09:30 PM  
5 votes:

TommyDeuce: I thought they did it for the love of the kids. How can we justify paying something to do what they love?


Based on many Fark headlines, they're loving the kids just a bit too much if you ask me.
2018-04-16 06:23:05 PM  
5 votes:

bigfire: I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.


That is the fundamental problem with education.  Teachers are damn near unique in that they feel they should get paid according to their level of education rather than the quality of their work.  "I have a masters degree so I should get X" vs "I'm a hobo but my students regularly excel in AP coursework and score high in the SATs."

Bring up things like standardized quality metrics for merit pay and they lose their farkin' minds.
2018-04-16 07:37:47 PM  
4 votes:
since teachers only work 3/4 of the time their salary should be considered (x/3)4.... so 30k would really be 40k if they worked in a year round profession. IMO, we should really switch to year round school on a trimester system, teachers could work year round and students wouldn't get stupider after 3 months off.
2018-04-16 06:52:17 PM  
4 votes:

abhorrent1: Meh, lots of people put in a lot of hours at crappy jobs for crappy pay. Teachers don't have a corner on that market. They do have a corner on whining about it though.


"I HAVE TO BUY PENCILS!"
2018-04-16 06:51:56 PM  
4 votes:
Don't teachers get to retire after 20 years, with health care and full pension for the remainder of their lives?    Shouldn't that factor into the whole 'underpayment' argument?
2018-04-16 06:41:35 PM  
4 votes:

Explodo: Rent Party: Bring up things like standardized quality metrics for merit pay and they lose their farkin' minds.

Because students aren't all the same.  Schools aren't all the same.  The best teacher in town might choose to work in the worst school in town so they can feel like they're making a difference in the world and they really MIGHT be making the biggest difference.


If you don't have any way of measuring that, how the hell would you know if you're making a difference or not?  That is *exactly* the scenario where merit pay would be a massive benefit.

If you can come up with a sure-fire scientific way of doing compensation based on performance that really works for teaching, I'd love to hear it.

Baseline schools/districts every year and normalize the results to z-score.  Weight progress against each quartile.  You get more credit for moving the bottom of the stack than you do the top.   That's an incentive the "good" teachers to work to improve the lower performing kids, while not penalizing teachers that work with the smart ones.  And because you've normalized the curve, it's portable to any school.

The problem isn't coming up with measurements, it's that regardless of what measures you come up with, teachers are going to biatch about it because *they don't want to be measured.*
2018-04-16 06:40:35 PM  
4 votes:

doglover: bigfire: doglover: bigfire: I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.

How

I have a high demand trade and work lots of overtime and holidays (900-1200 hours OT per year).  When I was an apprentice, I didn't make nearly as much base salary as she did.   She worked in a po-dunk school district in the Ohio valley.

Ohio

And now everything makes sense.


Ohio Valley - couple of states fit that description.  Looks like your geography teacher failed you or are you pre-disposed to dismiss any midwesterner?
2018-04-16 06:12:46 PM  
4 votes:
I thought they got in it for the gun-play .
2018-04-16 07:52:36 PM  
3 votes:

DayBreakBoys: Ignoramist: Oh for fark's sake.

Teachers are paid on salary, not by the hour. Like everyone else, their vacation pay is deducted and then paid out during vacation time. That's how every professional is paid, no different.  Annual salary is annual salary.

One big difference : their vacation comes in a huge chunk that's about 8 times longer than anyone else's, which is conducive to picking up a 2nd job.

Also, no child care expenses, because they are home when the kids are.

I can tell you that last point is 100% wrong.


100% wrong?  The child and teacher parent are never home at the same time?  Maybe possible if the teacher parent is male, but most teachers are female, so I bet they are around for the birth at the very least.  And that would reduce the time away from the child to below 100% by some fraction.

Why are we letting teachers have children if they are NEVER around?!  That isnt good for the child at all!
2018-04-16 07:34:04 PM  
3 votes:

rewind2846: Rent Party: Bring up things like standardized quality metrics for merit pay and they lose their farkin' minds.

The human mind is not standardized. It is not a widget. Schools are not factories. Why would you insist on applying manufacturing standards to something that is not quantifiable by its very nature?


Reading and math abilities are easily tested and scored (quantifiable) it is the teachers job to get them to a certain standard, how they do it is up to them.
2018-04-16 07:19:23 PM  
3 votes:
... AND THEY GET ALL THOSE FREE APPLES!

/rabble rabble
2018-04-16 06:36:45 PM  
3 votes:

Rent Party: bigfire: I love trolling the MIL. Still blows her mind.

Bring up things like standardized quality metrics for merit pay and they lose their farkin' minds.


blah blah 'judge a fish by how well they can climb' blah blah blah.  Heard that a million times.  That's why we're judging for tree climbers, they pay the bills.  The Arts are for hobbies and should be the rare major instead of the popular major in college.  STEM is dying and the arts are not going to pay the bills.
2018-04-16 06:30:22 PM  
3 votes:

bigfire: doglover: bigfire: I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.

How

I have a high demand trade and work lots of overtime and holidays (900-1200 hours OT per year).  When I was an apprentice, I didn't make nearly as much base salary as she did.   She worked in a po-dunk school district in the Ohio valley.


Ohio

And now everything makes sense.
2018-04-16 04:44:56 PM  
3 votes:
I thought about going into teaching.  But the whole idea of painting houses in the Florida summer heat seemed far too self-indulgent.  I'd feel like I was stealing money from the state.
2018-04-17 01:11:04 PM  
2 votes:
It's weird how many people think that teachers get the whole summer off.  Not even remotely close.  At the end they get about four weeks off.  They work past the end of the school year, they have training and they report back way before the kids do.  So... how many weeks of vacation do most professionals get?  Usually three to four weeks.  Which puts teachers at exactly what they should be at.  So, this whole weird thing where people think teachers only work 9 months out of the year really need to do their research before spouting that nonsense.
Also, whatever crappy job you have?  Try doing it while 30 people sit down and WATCH you do it.  30 people who don't want to be there. Day in and day out. Also teachers do not start and get off work when students do.  They get in early to get ready and they leave late.  Then they go home and grade papers.  Schools do not spend money on your classroom either.  All those educational decorations in the classroom?  Yeah, teachers buy that out of their meager salaries.  Many teachers go years between pay raises and school districts cover virtually none of their benefits.  So, they make tiny paychecks that are made minuscule by having to pay so much of their medical/dental.  And yet you always find people in these discussions who can't figure out why teachers are farking pissed off all the time. You make yourself look stupid when you interject shiat about something you know almost nothing about.  Yet, you seem to be convinced that your dumbass, misinformed comment is worth typing out.  You are living proof that our educational system has failed you on a very personal level.
2018-04-16 11:26:34 PM  
2 votes:
I love teachers.  Value them.  I'd pay them fortunes if I were in charge - except my kid's teacher this year.  fark that woman in the depths of hell with a flaming iron fence post while Despacito plays on repeat.  With any job where you actually work with people, you have to know when to get out and this stupid biatch should've gotten out years ago.  One thing I'd love to do is send teachers on sabbatical for a year and then give them a nice parting gift if/when they decide not to come back.   I'll farking pay the lazy farks to stay away from kids.
2018-04-16 07:22:20 PM  
2 votes:

doglover: There's a hell of a lot of midwest, but only one place that serves chili on pasta


I love that dish!

But I'm in Minnesota, so it's hard to find here.

/ too spicy doncha know
2018-04-16 07:17:58 PM  
2 votes:

bigfire: doglover: bigfire: doglover: bigfire: I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.

How

I have a high demand trade and work lots of overtime and holidays (900-1200 hours OT per year).  When I was an apprentice, I didn't make nearly as much base salary as she did.   She worked in a po-dunk school district in the Ohio valley.

Ohio

And now everything makes sense.

Ohio Valley - couple of states fit that description.  Looks like your geography teacher failed you or are you pre-disposed to dismiss any midwesterner?


Let's just say it's no coincidence the humans to travel the furthest from Earth were under the command of a man from Cleveland.

There's a hell of a lot of midwest, but only one place that serves chili on pasta.
2018-04-16 06:48:52 PM  
2 votes:

Fano: scotchcrotch: When my friends and I like to go out trolling at bars, I wear this for some good interactions-

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Ooh, that's good for some fist fights


Or a paddlin'?
2018-04-16 06:42:09 PM  
2 votes:
In truth, we should do away with summer vacations and just have year-round schooling.  Still give the kids 2 week breaks in winter, spring, and summer, but the 3 month break is too long.
2018-04-16 06:08:01 PM  
2 votes:
I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.
2018-04-17 05:48:20 AM  
1 vote:

abiigdog: No teachers don't pay for school supplies, what a load of horseshiat.


Did you want to see receipts?
2018-04-17 03:19:02 AM  
1 vote:

GDubDub: Why do teachers insist that they do lesson plans every day?  Every teacher I knew reused the things from year to year, except when current events were on the menu.

They also share them between teachers, follow the textbook, get them online, and follow standardized programs.

While some teachers may sit down with a blank sheet every day, most do not do anything of the sort.


Pilots use the same checklist every flight! The slackers.
2018-04-17 01:30:09 AM  
1 vote:

Huck And Molly Ziegler: indy_kid:  Ask one of them ... to give you a detailed description of why multiplying 2 negative numbers yields a positive.

As an English major, suddenly I am intrigued --- is that something you can explain here? Thx


Since you're an English major, it might be useful to think of multiplying negatives as a mathematical double negative.   -2 x -2  is "two times I'm not going to decrease by two"  or "Two times I am not going to give away two dollars."   I have four dollars I wouldn't have had if I had given two dollars away two times.   Using the distributive property we show this as -2(0-2) then (-2 x 0)+(-2 x -2) which is 0+4 or 4.

If that didn't make sense, first think about multiplying positive numbers.  We can turn 2 x 2 into words by saying "Increase by two, two times" or "You're going to give me two dollars two times.    You could write that out as  2(0+2) then (2x0)+(2x2) which is 0+4 and that equals 4.   I now have four dollars..

A positive and negative is also easy to  understand.   2 x -2 is "two times I'm going to decrease by two" or "I'm going to give away two dollars two times.  So, 2(0-2) which is (2 x 0)+(2 x -2) which is 0+-4 or -4.  I have 4 fewer dollars after removing two dollars two times.
2018-04-17 01:17:15 AM  
1 vote:
Another article put out by the Teacher PR machine. Yes they get a full years pay for 9 months of work, the rest of you need to work 12 months for the same money. No one cares if they defer it or not, for the same money most people work 12 months and don't have the freedom to work a hobby job in the summer.

No teachers don't pay for school supplies, what a load of horseshiat. Maybe some do of their own free will but its mostly BS. Let me guess they polled a bunch of teachers who decided to keep the myth alive by lying.

Teachers retire with a full pension on the taxpayers back for the rest of their life, plus medical benefits.

Yes Teachers work hard so what join the club I'm done tasting their tears, every 2 years they want 10 percent pay raises, enough is enough.
2018-04-17 12:21:33 AM  
1 vote:

bigfire: doglover: bigfire: I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.

How

I have a high demand trade and work lots of overtime and holidays (900-1200 hours OT per year).  When I was an apprentice, I didn't make nearly as much base salary as she did.   She worked in a po-dunk school district in the Ohio valley.


You work 900-1200 hours of overtime a year and on holidays, and you only pull in an extra 40k, while she has her summers off and holidays off and you feel like you're the winner in this?
2018-04-16 11:13:16 PM  
1 vote:

bigfire: holdmybones: doglover: bigfire: doglover: bigfire: doglover: bigfire: I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.

How

I have a high demand trade and work lots of overtime and holidays (900-1200 hours OT per year).  When I was an apprentice, I didn't make nearly as much base salary as she did.   She worked in a po-dunk school district in the Ohio valley.

Ohio

And now everything makes sense.

Ohio Valley - couple of states fit that description.  Looks like your geography teacher failed you or are you pre-disposed to dismiss any midwesterner?

Let's just say it's no coincidence the humans to travel the furthest from Earth were under the command of a man from Cleveland.

There's a hell of a lot of midwest, but only one place that serves chili on pasta.

Cincinnati isn't Ohio. I have to point this out in every thread in which they and their horrible pasta mess are mentioned. They're Indiana...or Kentucky. In any case, they aren't Ohio.

Seriously, fly into Cincinnati (don't really do this under any circumstances) and tell me what your gps says.

Covington.


Precisely. Not Ohio.

And, for the record, I like Kentucky. Just not the Cincinnati part. Same with Indiana.

Just kidding. Fark Indiana.
2018-04-16 11:01:49 PM  
1 vote:

doglover: bigfire: doglover: bigfire: doglover: bigfire: I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.

How

I have a high demand trade and work lots of overtime and holidays (900-1200 hours OT per year).  When I was an apprentice, I didn't make nearly as much base salary as she did.   She worked in a po-dunk school district in the Ohio valley.

Ohio

And now everything makes sense.

Ohio Valley - couple of states fit that description.  Looks like your geography teacher failed you or are you pre-disposed to dismiss any midwesterner?

Let's just say it's no coincidence the humans to travel the furthest from Earth were under the command of a man from Cleveland.

There's a hell of a lot of midwest, but only one place that serves chili on pasta.


Cincinnati isn't Ohio. I have to point this out in every thread in which they and their horrible pasta mess are mentioned. They're Indiana...or Kentucky. In any case, they aren't Ohio.

Seriously, fly into Cincinnati (don't really do this under any circumstances) and tell me what your gps says.
2018-04-16 10:01:07 PM  
1 vote:
We have known since the days of Little House on The Prairie that teachers are "underpaid".

So why go into the profession and biatch about it all the time?

/Because those who can do, and those who can't teach.
//Both of my brothers failed down the rungs of life and are now teachers.
///And all they do is self-flagillate about how important they are and complain about their compensation.
2018-04-16 09:32:42 PM  
1 vote:

MNguy: bigfire: MNguy: bigfire is entirely self-taught.  such bootstraps!

What part of Trade or Apprentice did you miss?  I didn't fall into my job without study or development of skills.  I chose to drop outta of college as it wasn't for me.  I am glad I came to that realization sooner rather than later. Bootstrappy? You bet. My race was only .6% of the population where I used to live.

Hmm.  I bet you had a teacher.  I bet that teacher makes more than you.  Still salty?


You're missing the point. The MIL is the twerkwaffle that thinks that the ONLY way to riches is via uni. I am happy for folks if they do what they like and make a living wage. As long as they do not feel like they had to get a degree no matter what. Teacher, Lawyer, Doctor, Dog groomer, whatever you are, enjoy. Just don't be a smug bastige because you decided to get a degree.
2018-04-16 09:28:15 PM  
1 vote:

DrBrownCow: TL:DR   When you've given up the the potential for the unknown in exchange for stability, you're going to fight for what you've been promised.

Teachers, particularly those starting out, don't just see friends off in the business making higher salaries, they realize they know exactly what they themselves will be making year after year.   Even where the teacher pay is good, they'll never get called into an office and hear their boss non-nonchalantly award them a five figure bonus.  Or, work and strategize into a half a million dollar salary.   By continuing to do what they do, teachers will never get assigned to project where they get paid to travel to different countries (unless they're taking 30 teenagers along).

No, they know what they'll make this year, next year, ten years in the future, and even what they'll make in retirement. In hindsight, many in business might have preferred more security, and many teachers would have done no better or even worse in the business world, but its different when it's all in front of you.  There is something about the predictability and lack of merit pay present in the teacher salary scale that violates aspects of American culture.


Those are called unions and most workers would probably prefer them if they knew what they entailed
2018-04-16 09:18:29 PM  
1 vote:

MNguy: bigfire is entirely self-taught.  such bootstraps!


What part of Trade or Apprentice did you miss?  I didn't fall into my job without study or development of skills.  I chose to drop outta of college as it wasn't for me.  I am glad I came to that realization sooner rather than later. Bootstrappy? You bet. My race was only .6% of the population where I used to live.
2018-04-16 09:11:50 PM  
1 vote:
I always ask anyone who complains about teacher's salaries, "If it's such a cushy job then why the fark aren't you doing it?"
2018-04-16 09:05:20 PM  
1 vote:
The public education system is hated by Republicans for many reasons.
2018-04-16 09:04:20 PM  
1 vote:
You would think having sex with students would be enough of a job perk.
2018-04-16 09:01:02 PM  
1 vote:

bigfire: doglover: bigfire: doglover: bigfire: I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.

How

I have a high demand trade and work lots of overtime and holidays (900-1200 hours OT per year).  When I was an apprentice, I didn't make nearly as much base salary as she did.   She worked in a po-dunk school district in the Ohio valley.

Ohio

And now everything makes sense.

Ohio Valley - couple of states fit that description.  Looks like your geography teacher failed you or are you pre-disposed to dismiss any midwesterner?


You should feel honored. Ohio is probably the classiest part of the Ohio Valley. He could have assumed you were from Kentucky or Pittsburgh.
2018-04-16 08:43:38 PM  
1 vote:
It boils down to those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Zero respect for the whiny biatches in the teaching profession.
2018-04-16 08:25:50 PM  
1 vote:

Fano: tigerose: Ah, so it's teacher bashing day AGAIN? Seriously. If you don't work in a school, you just have no clue. You hear what the board wants you to hear. Do you know that your Title 1 teachers are screwed out of full time hours and benefits by 15 mins. Per day? Or that you can be doing the job of someone else in the district and you are part time and they are full? Then lets talk about the kids who don't have a winter coat, or whose parents consistantly don't pack them a lunch. And you have to see that and try to deal with it? Or the fact that for many, the crappy food they get at school is the best they will get all day long? And lets talk about curriculum that is not teacher tested, but is implemented  regardless? And yeah, show a years growth for each student? Well, ya know, explain how you apply that to a kid identified as gifted..Good luck. And yes, some really excellent teachers are willing to work for peanut, but as my FIL used to say, by and large, you pay peanuts, ya get monkeys.

Top. Shelf. Pussy.


Then I am a Top. Shelf. Queen.
2018-04-16 08:14:01 PM  
1 vote:

lando12310: Reading and math abilities are easily tested and scored (quantifiable) it is the teachers job to get them to a certain standard, how they do it is up to them.


Learning is something that is not quantifiable. Not memorization, LEARNING.There is a difference.

Kid 1 has a photographic memory. Remembers words. Does will on tests, but if you ask them about the concepts behind what they read, they have very little clue. They simply regurgitate what they have seen because while they may remember the what, they do not know the why.

Kid 2 understands the concepts and can use them to solve other problems, but has no memory for words and facts and figures. Does poorly on tests, but when asked how and why something works can show you flawlessly.

Kid 1 memorized. Kid 2 learned. Most people are on the spectrum between these two extremes, and some go beyond. Do the teachers know what they are going to get every September, especially public school teachers? Teachers cannot make a person learn, nor can they teach 30 different ways for what could be 30 different types of humans. And what about the baggage some children may bring with them to school, baggage that interferes with their absorption of the material? What do teachers do about that?

Some things taught in life cannot be tested. Schools are not factories.
2018-04-16 08:13:47 PM  
1 vote:
Ah, so it's teacher bashing day AGAIN? Seriously. If you don't work in a school, you just have no clue. You hear what the board wants you to hear. Do you know that your Title 1 teachers are screwed out of full time hours and benefits by 15 mins. Per day? Or that you can be doing the job of someone else in the district and you are part time and they are full? Then lets talk about the kids who don't have a winter coat, or whose parents consistantly don't pack them a lunch. And you have to see that and try to deal with it? Or the fact that for many, the crappy food they get at school is the best they will get all day long? And lets talk about curriculum that is not teacher tested, but is implemented  regardless? And yeah, show a years growth for each student? Well, ya know, explain how you apply that to a kid identified as gifted..Good luck. And yes, some really excellent teachers are willing to work for peanut, but as my FIL used to say, by and large, you pay peanuts, ya get monkeys.
2018-04-16 08:06:25 PM  
1 vote:

Rent Party: teachers are going to biatch about it because *they don't want to be measured.*


In my experience, people who are good at what they do have little issue with being evaluated when 1) it results in being better compensated than their inferior coworkers and 2) when they believe the evaluation is sufficiently fair.
2018-04-16 07:56:54 PM  
1 vote:

AmbassadorBooze: DayBreakBoys: Ignoramist: Oh for fark's sake.

Teachers are paid on salary, not by the hour. Like everyone else, their vacation pay is deducted and then paid out during vacation time. That's how every professional is paid, no different.  Annual salary is annual salary.

One big difference : their vacation comes in a huge chunk that's about 8 times longer than anyone else's, which is conducive to picking up a 2nd job.

Also, no child care expenses, because they are home when the kids are.

I can tell you that last point is 100% wrong.

100% wrong?  The child and teacher parent are never home at the same time?  Maybe possible if the teacher parent is male, but most teachers are female, so I bet they are around for the birth at the very least.  And that would reduce the time away from the child to below 100% by some fraction.

Why are we letting teachers have children if they are NEVER around?!  That isnt good for the child at all!


username checks out
2018-04-16 07:37:48 PM  
1 vote:

doglover: bigfire: doglover: bigfire: doglover: bigfire: I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.

How

I have a high demand trade and work lots of overtime and holidays (900-1200 hours OT per year).  When I was an apprentice, I didn't make nearly as much base salary as she did.   She worked in a po-dunk school district in the Ohio valley.

Ohio

And now everything makes sense.

Ohio Valley - couple of states fit that description.  Looks like your geography teacher failed you or are you pre-disposed to dismiss any midwesterner?

Let's just say it's no coincidence the humans to travel the furthest from Earth were under the command of a man from Cleveland.

There's a hell of a lot of midwest, but only one place that serves chili on pasta.


Skycrime, I mean Skyline is NOT chili.  I can't figure out which product from Cinci was worse, Springer or Skyline.
2018-04-16 07:27:59 PM  
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Rent Party: Bring up things like standardized quality metrics for merit pay and they lose their farkin' minds.


The human mind is not standardized. It is not a widget. Schools are not factories. Why would you insist on applying manufacturing standards to something that is not quantifiable by its very nature?
2018-04-16 07:13:36 PM  
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abhorrent1: Meh, lots of people put in a lot of hours at crappy jobs for crappy pay. Teachers don't have a corner on that market. They do have a corner on whining about it though.


This. A couple of my closest friends are teachers, and they tend to think they have more stress than any other profession, and NEED the extended vacation time. I wouldn't argue that they have some unique aggravations working at a public school, but they really do seem to forget the rest of us have plenty of job stress and only get a few weeks off to recoup every year. Plus, they are retiring at 55, and, well... I'm certainly not.
2018-04-16 07:11:43 PM  
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brizzle365: so, teachers are objects now? that explains so much of nothing!


Everything is an object...

// public class teacher extends person
2018-04-16 07:10:44 PM  
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love_alice: Don't teachers get to retire after 20 years, with health care and full pension for the remainder of their lives?    Shouldn't that factor into the whole 'underpayment' argument?


You're thinking of cops and (paid) firefighters. Teachers usually have to put in around 30 years and be 55+ before they can retire. YMMV. Yes, they get a decent pension but nothing crazy. My parents were both teachers and their pensions came to around $2500/month in today's dollars. That and Social Security and various other retirement funds meant they did okay, and she also did okay after my dad died and his pension zeroed out.

The trouble comes when you start getting seriously old and frail, and then the money goes out as fast as it comes in. I managed to find her an insanely great deal on an assisted-living facility, but sooner or later she needed the nursing home and at 12+ grand a month, that will hoover up all but the fattest pensions.

Unlike the aforementioned cops and firefighters, teachers can't pad the shiat out of their overtime the last three years of their careers and wind up with a pension bigger than their base salary.

They're buying supplies for students like pencils, notebooks, tissues, books, lesson plans, technology and software, the study showed.

Or they're sticking parents with that cost. Teachers are generous but they're not chumps.

Educators in Oklahoma told CNN about working 2, 3 or even up to 6 jobs to make ends meet.

That sucks, but it's the far low end of the scale. The national median is in the $55-60k range. It's dishonest to argue that because Oklahoma teachers are getting screwed, all teachers need more money, including the ones in places like Connecticut that are making out quite well.
2018-04-16 07:05:54 PM  
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pounddawg: I work for a school district so I am getting a kick.....

But really.. the kids are mostly great. Most parents and admin suck, some teachers and students do.

/Same holidays as Pounddawg Jr is awesome.


If it works for you, I'm happy for you.  I promise not to be a parent that sucks and my kids are not jackwagons.  If only I could talk the school board into not spending 75k on that new interior remodel for the school board conference room that's only 30'x18' and work on a 1-2% raise a year for you....
2018-04-16 06:50:11 PM  
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A couple hints, subby. EVERY job is harder than it looks and EVERY job has shiatty things about it.
2018-04-16 06:48:16 PM  
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scotchcrotch: When my friends and I like to go out trolling at bars, I wear this for some good interactions-

[img.fark.net image 211x239]


Ooh, that's good for some fist fights
2018-04-16 06:46:37 PM  
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Rent Party: The problem isn't coming up with measurements, it's that regardless of what measures you come up with, teachers are going to biatch about it because *they don't want to be measured.*


You've obviously made up your mind that teachers are shiftless leeches and I doubt I'll change that view.  I disagree with your assessment because you've reduced a very complex problem to a simple solution and hand-waved all of the middle parts away.
2018-04-16 06:35:16 PM  
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Oh for fark's sake.

Teachers are paid on salary, not by the hour. Like everyone else, their vacation pay is deducted and then paid out during vacation time. That's how every professional is paid, no different.  Annual salary is annual salary.

One big difference : their vacation comes in a huge chunk that's about 8 times longer than anyone else's, which is conducive to picking up a 2nd job.

Also, no child care expenses, because they are home when the kids are.
2018-04-16 06:22:53 PM  
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doglover: bigfire: I love trolling the MIL.  Her - Masters in early childhood education and associated student loans vs Me - two year college dropout with 0 student debt.  She's got 30+ years in and I still made 40k more than her last year with no degree.

Still blows her mind.

How


I have a high demand trade and work lots of overtime and holidays (900-1200 hours OT per year).  When I was an apprentice, I didn't make nearly as much base salary as she did.   She worked in a po-dunk school district in the Ohio valley.
2018-04-16 06:19:33 PM  
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I'm a teacher who is going to have to work this summer, but it's cool because I would be bored to death hanging out around the house all summer and I can't afford to travel anywhere.

I know the cool kids on fark are into teacher bashing and all that, but most of us in the profession are out there giving it our best shot everyday.  We care about your kids and want to keep them safe.  I know I want the best for the kids I teach and interact with daily.

Today I made muffins and bread with some kids who have some pretty serious disabilities.  That might not sound like much until you factor in everything involved in a complex task such as baking.

We start with hand-washing and why we wash our hands.  I talk about food-borne illnesses and how we can prevent them.  We learn about cross-contamination and how to prevent it.  We learn the first rule of oven safety:  the stove and oven must always be turned off when you're done cooking, 100% of the time.

I teach with an eye toward making these kids competent cooks for both home and work.  I am not a chef by any means but people really like my cooking.  I know a lot of comfort food dishes and some southern dishes.  I make a nice loaf of bread.  I'm teaching them what I know how to make right now but I'm planning on taking more cooking classes to improve my program.   These guys are middle school and I hope to send them to high school ready for a culinary arts program.

My students learn to use a sharp knife safely.  They learn about cross-contamination.  They can tell you what gluten is and how it holds the bread together.  They can tell you all about yeast.  They are learning how to use a Kitchenaide professional mixer to knead dough and mix cookie batter.

On Muffin Monday, we make several dozen muffins for the teacher's lounge that get scarfed up quick.  They're that good.  Today we also made two loaves of bread that are going to be made into French toast.

We read recipes.  We use measuring spoons and cups accurately.  We're working on cracking eggs with only an occasional mess.

We also read about Perseus and the Medusa, counted money, and learned a little bit of Korean.

They pay me to be there, but they don't pay me to care.  I give that as a gift to the kids and the community.   All I really ask for is a decent salary and benefits.  It's also cool when we get the support we need from our communities, both monetary and morale.  Respect, that would be nice, too.
2018-04-16 06:15:11 PM  
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Teresaol31: I left a career in business to go into education 3 years ago.  I damned sure didn't do it for the money.  I did it because I figured out that nothing and no one was going to change what is wrong in the deep south from the OUTSIDE.  So I went and got a MAT and became a teacher, now that my kids are out of school, so that I can help develop critical thinking skills and expose young people to the wider world through literature.  I don't regret it most days, but then again I live in a small town with a relatively small cost of living and a relatively high salary schedule for Arkansas.  I can't imagine trying to make a living while raising kids or dealing with the expense of living in a large city.


Aren't you afraid that someone might notice what you're up to and burn a cross on your lawn?

/just asking.......
2018-04-16 06:12:55 PM  
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My neighbor makes no bones about the fact that he got into teaching for the money and benefits (plus he enjoys it).

He was 30 back in the mid 80s and had a growing family and decided the factory job wouldn't cut it and that a teaching degree was the surest path to a good paying profession (he had credits from an earlier college stint).

He's been with a big district since day 1 and later got his masters, so he's pulling down close to 100k a year in those years he teaches summer school (time and a half / hr. based on salary).

He's well worth it by all accounts
2018-04-16 06:06:00 PM  
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TommyDeuce: I thought they did it for the love of the kids.  How can we justify paying something to do what they love?

/So not serious


Some teachers do love their students.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime​/​married-middle-school-teacher-arrested​-sex-teen-article-1.3848322

http://fox13now.com/2018/03/27/teache​r​-allegedly-performed-oral-sex-on-13-ye​ar-old-in-school-classroom/
2018-04-16 05:52:55 PM  
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I applied for a school districr job last week. I'm looking forward to summers off, paid or not.
2018-04-16 05:51:55 PM  
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When I was in college I honestly thought I would be a teacher, as it seemed like a good, respectable career.

I'm not saying it isn't, but I'm glad I found a career that isn't in education.
 
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