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(Washington Post)   For the first time in nearly a decade, the GOP are not talking about "repealing and replacing Obamacare." No, not because they already did so, but because they bungled their attempts so badly last year, it's now a subject they'd rather not discuss   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2018-04-16 03:11:46 PM  
It only seems like a decade. It's only been around for eight years.
 
2018-04-16 03:35:07 PM  
Do they really need to do anything at this point, other than wait for the ACA to self-destruct now that they'd seen to it that coverage is no longer mandatory?

They've gotten exactly what they wanted. The appearance that ACA was untouched, so when it inevitably fails, they can say, "See, we told you this wouldn't work! Don't listen to the silly Democrats anymore. They're dumb!"
 
2018-04-16 03:55:46 PM  
They better shut up about the tax cuts for the rich too. And Hillary.
 
2018-04-16 04:07:04 PM  
In fairness, they sort of have a LOT on their plate right now, what with Donnie pushing for Constitutional crisis after Constitutional crisis...
 
2018-04-16 06:12:43 PM  
Hey, nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated.
Trump: Nobody Knew Health Care Could Be So Complicated
Youtube 5oQLf65N-AU

Except everyone.
 
2018-04-16 07:42:34 PM  

DeaH: Hey, nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated.
[YouTube video: Trump: Nobody Knew Health Care Could Be So Complicated]
Except everyone.


Of all the shocking things the president has ever said in his life, that one ranks somewhere in the middle.
 
2018-04-16 07:43:07 PM  
So, they're NOT going to replace it then?

Or are they going to replace it with more tax cuts?
 
2018-04-16 07:43:31 PM  

DeaH: Hey, nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/5oQLf65N​-AU]
Except everyone.


In Donald's stupidity-addled mind, he's not wrong. Donald Trump is everything. So if he didn't know something, NOBODY knew it. Until he 'discovered' it (by somebody telling him). Then he just discovered some sweet nugget of objective truth, and he's magnanimous enough to share it with us.

He's a farking moron, is what I'm getting at here.
 
2018-04-16 07:45:59 PM  

HerptheDerp: So, they're NOT going to replace it then?

Or are they going to replace it with more tax cuts?


They're going to replace everything with tax cuts. Ideally, the whole of the federal government will go away except for a national gulag used to punish dissidents, infidels, and indigents. You can afford one hell of a gulag for 2% of our GDP.
 
2018-04-16 07:46:15 PM  
several of my republican friends/colleagues acknowledge that a single-payer system is inevitable and necessary

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/they believe it because they're farked if it doesn't happen
 
2018-04-16 07:46:19 PM  
LOL complex legislation in an election year? no.
 
2018-04-16 07:46:21 PM  
They already killed the individual mandate, dooming the ACA by ensuring it can never become financially self sustaining.
 
2018-04-16 07:46:24 PM  
Because kicking millions off their health plans wouldn't help their chances of remaining employed this November.
 
2018-04-16 07:46:24 PM  
Well, to be fair, if they don't talk about it now, it will be less time before they can blame the Democrats for it
 
2018-04-16 07:46:52 PM  

lostcat: Do they really need to do anything at this point, other than wait for the ACA to self-destruct now that they'd seen to it that coverage is no longer mandatory?

They've gotten exactly what they wanted. The appearance that ACA was untouched, so when it inevitably fails, they can say, "See, we told you this wouldn't work! Don't listen to the silly Democrats anymore. They're dumb!"


That's standard operating procedure for the GOP.  Break it.  Claim it doesn't work.  Defund it.  Next project.
 
2018-04-16 07:46:54 PM  
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/Obligatory
 
2018-04-16 07:48:12 PM  

DeaH: Hey, nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/5oQLf65N​-AU]
Except everyone.


He's lived his whole life without giving a shiat about anything.
 
2018-04-16 07:50:40 PM  
Of course, they kneecapped it by repealing the mandate.
 
2018-04-16 07:51:53 PM  

lostcat: Do they really need to do anything at this point, other than wait for the ACA to self-destruct now that they'd seen to it that coverage is no longer mandatory?

They've gotten exactly what they wanted. The appearance that ACA was untouched, so when it inevitably fails, they can say, "See, we told you this wouldn't work! Don't listen to the silly Democrats anymore. They're dumb!"


GOP SOP. Break it, prevent the fixing of it, criticize the people whom you have prevented from fixing it for not being able to fix it.
 
2018-04-16 07:53:50 PM  
Who knew actually running an entire government could be so complicated?
 
2018-04-16 07:56:20 PM  

NateAsbestos: DeaH: Hey, nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/5oQLf65N​-AU]
Except everyone.

In Donald's stupidity-addled mind, he's not wrong. Donald Trump is everything. So if he didn't know something, NOBODY knew it. Until he 'discovered' it (by somebody telling him). Then he just discovered some sweet nugget of objective truth, and he's magnanimous enough to share it with us.

He's a farking moron, is what I'm getting at here.


Sort of like how invented the phrase "prime the pump,"
 
2018-04-16 07:57:59 PM  

Flaming Gas Bag: NateAsbestos: DeaH: Hey, nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/5oQLf65N​-AU]
Except everyone.

In Donald's stupidity-addled mind, he's not wrong. Donald Trump is everything. So if he didn't know something, NOBODY knew it. Until he 'discovered' it (by somebody telling him). Then he just discovered some sweet nugget of objective truth, and he's magnanimous enough to share it with us.

He's a farking moron, is what I'm getting at here.

Sort of like how invented the phrase "prime the pump,"


He invented a lot of things, believe me. Bigly things, you wouldn't believe. Lots of people are saying it.
 
2018-04-16 08:01:20 PM  

Serious Black: DeaH: Hey, nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated.
[YouTube video: Trump: Nobody Knew Health Care Could Be So Complicated]
Except everyone.

Of all the shocking things the president has ever said in his life, that one ranks somewhere in the middle.


For me, less shocking than infuriating.
 
2018-04-16 08:01:46 PM  

Serious Black: HerptheDerp: So, they're NOT going to replace it then?

Or are they going to replace it with more tax cuts?

They're going to replace everything with tax cuts. Ideally, the whole of the federal government will go away except for a national gulag used to punish dissidents, infidels, and indigents. You can afford one hell of a gulag for 2% of our GDP.


Uh, what about the military? Why do you hate the troops?
 
2018-04-16 08:04:17 PM  

lostcat: Do they really need to do anything at this point, other than wait for the ACA to self-destruct now that they'd seen to it that coverage is no longer mandatory?

They've gotten exactly what they wanted. The appearance that ACA was untouched, so when it inevitably fails, they can say, "See, we told you this wouldn't work! Don't listen to the silly Democrats anymore. They're dumb!"


I thought they had already taken credit for repealing Obamacare, by repealing the tax penalty for not having insurance. It seems like if that is going to undermine the insurance market, then Democrats should GIVE the GOP credit for repealing Obamacare, so they can be blamed when it falls apart.
 
2018-04-16 08:04:22 PM  

NateAsbestos: Flaming Gas Bag: NateAsbestos: DeaH: Hey, nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/5oQLf65N​-AU]
Except everyone.

In Donald's stupidity-addled mind, he's not wrong. Donald Trump is everything. So if he didn't know something, NOBODY knew it. Until he 'discovered' it (by somebody telling him). Then he just discovered some sweet nugget of objective truth, and he's magnanimous enough to share it with us.

He's a farking moron, is what I'm getting at here.

Sort of like how invented the phrase "prime the pump,"

He invented a lot of things, believe me. Bigly things, you wouldn't believe. Lots of people are saying it.


He also invented the act 'Pay the pimp'
 
2018-04-16 08:06:00 PM  
Funny how openly admitting that you're perfectly happy with encouraging the continued pain, sickness, and death of your fellow Americans can come back to bite you in the ass.
 
2018-04-16 08:06:23 PM  
This is rather novel. The GOP, realizing something is a bad sell, stops doubling down? Woah.
 
2018-04-16 08:07:44 PM  
They never really cared about ACA/Obamacare or health care in general, they just needed a wedge issue to get their gimp moron rube supporters wetting their pants about.
 
2018-04-16 08:13:59 PM  
They really have nothing to offer. The "Freedom Caucus" of course wants to tackle rolling back all sorts of social programs under their "entitlement reforms" platform but it's a glorious trap. If they do anything to social security, they lose one of their key constituencies. Same with cuts to various medical programs which their constituents see as separate from ObamaCare. Their poor coal miners and many other of their rural and rust-belt voters are on food stamps.

Push their entitlement reforms and lose lots of the Trump base. Don't do anything and they lose the other half of the Trump base. The glue that held them together was hating on Hilary (and to some extent Obama). That song has worn out. Blaming the Dems when you're in the majority rings rather hollow, especially when there are visible fractures within your own party. Get some more revolting as people joust for Ryan's role and it amplifies that sense of fracture within the GOP.

They're going to have a difficult time getting their voters to the polls. Oh they'll try to make Nancy Pelosi their new Boogeyman but it doesn't have quite the power that Hillary did. And enough will swing back to the other side because stiggin it is a way of life and this time they'll be stiggin it to the GOP just for the stigginit.
 
2018-04-16 08:14:23 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Who knew actually running an entire government could be so complicated?


Autocorrect farked up ruining.
 
2018-04-16 08:17:43 PM  

lycanth: It only seems like a decade. It's only been around for eight years.


The issue of healthcare reform has been discussed for much longer than a decade. There was a Bishops' Program for Social Reconstruction that suggested a government insurance plan just a few years after WWI. Heck, if the GOP really wanted an alternative to HillaryCare, they could have come up with something back in the 1990s. I bet they are kicking themselves for not thinking of that back then. Just imagine how much better things would be if they had only come up with some sort of plan back then...
 
2018-04-16 08:18:02 PM  
This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2018-04-16 08:18:59 PM  

lostcat: Do they really need to do anything at this point, other than wait for the ACA to self-destruct now that they'd seen to it that coverage is no longer mandatory?

They've gotten exactly what they wanted. The appearance that ACA was untouched, so when it inevitably fails, they can say, "See, we told you this wouldn't work! Don't listen to the silly Democrats anymore. They're dumb!"


Smarted. Damn you.
 
2018-04-16 08:21:57 PM  

lostcat: Do they really need to do anything at this point, other than wait for the ACA to self-destruct now that they'd seen to it that coverage is no longer mandatory?

They've gotten exactly what they wanted. The appearance that ACA was untouched, so when it inevitably fails, they can say, "See, we told you this wouldn't work! Don't listen to the silly Democrats anymore. They're dumb!"


Yep. It's the same strategy they used to fark up the USPS, among other things. Starve thing of funding, point to issues caused by lack of funding, demand thing be privatized.

Republicans are parasitic filth.
 
2018-04-16 08:22:34 PM  

HighOnCraic: lycanth: It only seems like a decade. It's only been around for eight years.

The issue of healthcare reform has been discussed for much longer than a decade. There was a Bishops' Program for Social Reconstruction that suggested a government insurance plan just a few years after WWI. Heck, if the GOP really wanted an alternative to HillaryCare, they could have come up with something back in the 1990s. I bet they are kicking themselves for not thinking of that back then. Just imagine how much better things would be if they had only come up with some sort of plan back then...


I don't know. I'm kind of indecisive about the whole thing.
 
2018-04-16 08:24:04 PM  

Weatherkiss: HighOnCraic: lycanth: It only seems like a decade. It's only been around for eight years.

The issue of healthcare reform has been discussed for much longer than a decade. There was a Bishops' Program for Social Reconstruction that suggested a government insurance plan just a few years after WWI. Heck, if the GOP really wanted an alternative to HillaryCare, they could have come up with something back in the 1990s. I bet they are kicking themselves for not thinking of that back then. Just imagine how much better things would be if they had only come up with some sort of plan back then...

I don't know. I'm kind of indecisive about the whole thing.


Sorry, that's a preexisting condition. No coverage for you.

Next!
 
2018-04-16 08:24:10 PM  

Lackofname: This is rather novel. The GOP, realizing something is a bad sell, stops doubling down? Woah.


That's the basic premise of shock collars.

/Now
//I'm not encouraging putting internet-controlled shock disciplinary collars on Republican politicians
 
2018-04-16 08:26:24 PM  

CygnusDarius: Lackofname: This is rather novel. The GOP, realizing something is a bad sell, stops doubling down? Woah.

That's the basic premise of shock collars.

/Now
//I'm not encouraging putting internet-controlled shock disciplinary collars on Republican politicians


Why?
 
2018-04-16 08:31:10 PM  

Gyrfalcon: CygnusDarius: Lackofname: This is rather novel. The GOP, realizing something is a bad sell, stops doubling down? Woah.

That's the basic premise of shock collars.

/Now
//I'm not encouraging putting internet-controlled shock disciplinary collars on Republican politicians

Why?


Look, if you want to put a shock-collar on a GOP politician which you can activate in the comfort of your home, in your car, in your office, or in your private moments, that is all fine an good.

But I'm not encouraging it.
 
2018-04-16 08:37:24 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, they sort of have a LOT on their plate right now


There is no reason -- ever -- to be fair to the the GOP.  The current incarnation has never been fair to anyone else.

Fark. Them.  At -best-, they are hypocritical, selfish sociopaths.  At worst, they are traitors long over due for a separation of their heads from their shoulders.
 
2018-04-16 08:38:48 PM  
Nancy Pelosi should offer to retire if the Democrats take both houses. Republicans would lose their best talking point for the election.

I know she's an ultra-Bond-villian who would run everything anyway (according to derpers), but it would be fun to watch every Democrat say "you're right, I won't vote for her for Speaker" and kneecap the retards
 
2018-04-16 08:48:25 PM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: LOL complex legislation in an election year? no.


Oh, no, we don't expect them to do anything but wear this around their neck like a rotting Albatross. It'll have company with other successes like the tax scam, Post-hurricane Puerto Rico, Trans Bans, DACA Dickery, and also The Wall that Mexico's TOTALLY GONNA PAY FOR, honest and pinkieswear!!!

I get they don't want to own any of that, but they are the ones who voted for it all, and they're goofily mistaken if they think the entire election season isn't gonna be a months-long game of "pin the bill on the jackwad who voted for it."
 
2018-04-16 08:48:36 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Serious Black: HerptheDerp: So, they're NOT going to replace it then?

Or are they going to replace it with more tax cuts?

They're going to replace everything with tax cuts. Ideally, the whole of the federal government will go away except for a national gulag used to punish dissidents, infidels, and indigents. You can afford one hell of a gulag for 2% of our GDP.

Uh, what about the military? Why do you hate the troops?


Who do you think will run the gulag?
 
2018-04-16 08:54:10 PM  
Laser like focus on jobs
 
2018-04-16 08:54:36 PM  

SFSailor: hubiestubert: In fairness, they sort of have a LOT on their plate right now

There is no reason -- ever -- to be fair to the the GOP.  The current incarnation has never been fair to anyone else.

Fark. Them.  At -best-, they are hypocritical, selfish sociopaths.  At worst, they are traitors long over due for a separation of their heads from their shoulders.


Transactional thinking. This is what many note is wrong with Trump. It boils down to "He hit me first so I hit him back". It has all the maturity of a 3 year old. And in the last decade, I've seen more and more would-be progressives being dragged down to that level.

The question to ask is, what are the consequences of my (future) actions.

Every review of the most recent election reveals that the Trump coalition coalesced around a perceived attack upon them, the claim of deplorables against the obvious racists was taken as an assault on everyone within a red state, their friends and their family. It fueled the fires of tribalism US versus THEM. It was necessary in order to unite very diverse groups.

Standing there and pointing, claiming that THEY are all the same shows that you've become infected with the same Tribalism. You've become part of the culture that allows them to defeat you. You're part of the problem.

What's needed is to ratchet it down. Not out of concern for their "feelings" or any altruistic or benevolent desire to be nice. Rather, out of an understanding of the consequences of your actions, and a calculation about what outcome is better for you, and for everyone. Don't feed the tribalism BECAUSE it's their greatest strength. Don't feed it because it helps them and ultimately hurts you. Use your head.
 
2018-04-16 08:56:28 PM  
And here I am, still getting a stipend for healthcare from the government each month via Obamacare.

Ha!
 
2018-04-16 08:56:58 PM  
"Yeah, we probably can't talk credibly about repeal and replace anymore," Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.) told me a few weeks ago.

Oh come on!  Don't sell yourself short.
That never stopped you before.
 
2018-04-16 08:57:25 PM  
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/and SCOTUS justice
 
2018-04-16 08:59:41 PM  
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