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(Fox 8 Cleveland)   Surfers flock to high waves on Lake Erie, say the extra limbs they'll grow from the water will help their paddling   ( fox8.com) divider line
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2018-04-16 09:15:45 AM  
20 votes:
Um, the lake is quite clean these days. The only major pollutant of any concern is the nitrogen runoff from farms in the western basin which causes toxic algae blooms. That's actually a good thing since in the 70's not even the algae would grow. Amazingly the health has gotten so good in the last decade that they've lifted all recommendations on the number of fish per year eaten from the lake. It's actually a triumph of environmental regulation that a river and lake system which was on the brink of collapse less than 50 years ago is now very healthy.

/Though this week with all the rain I don't think I'd go in
//We still need to fix our combined storm and sanitary sewer system
///$3B and going up every year is the current expected cost, I'm expecting over $6B by the time we actually get done with the project
2018-04-16 09:23:20 AM  
6 votes:
FTFA:  All of the surfers on the water were wearing full-body wet suits.

I'm going to assume the reporter is clueless as to the existence of dry suits or the video missed the part where the surfers were treated for hypothermia.
2018-04-16 05:17:29 PM  
5 votes:

GORDON: I live very near Lake Erie.

I would bet that approximately 5% of the water going over Niagara Falls flowed through the septic systems of all the hundreds of thousands of houses that still have no access to a sewer system... Like me!  My shiat and piss go through 2 tanks for the solids to settle, then 200 yards to a creek, then 5 miles to the lake. Just like everyone else in our town of 2000... and just like hundreds of other small.towns.

No thanks, Lake Erie watersports.


Lake Erie has 116 cu mi of water in it, or about 130 trillion gallons of water. If every person in the state of Ohio used the lake as their septic system, with each person using 100 gallons of sewage per day, that would account for only 401 billion gallons of sewage per year, or a little under 0.3% of the total volume of the lake. Given that the entire volume of the lake is replaced every 2.6 years, you are talking about at MOST, if EVERYONE in the state dumped 100 gallons of sewage into it per day, less than 1% of the water going over the falls would be sewage. 

The smallest of the Great Lakes is still YUUUUUGE and, besides, most septic systems just use the soil itself as the filtering agent before being recycled into ground aquifers. 

Your concern, while noted, is entirely hilarious, and false.
2018-04-16 09:40:41 AM  
5 votes:
 wonder if the good folks at Fox 8 know that Avid allows you to edit video? You know, cut a 10 minute video to an interesting 90 seconds of actual surfing or paddle-boarding?  Cool to watch the guy paddle out of frame for two minutes and the ragged pan to get him back in frame really sold it.
2018-04-16 10:41:12 AM  
4 votes:

Preston Preston: robodog: Um, the lake is quite clean these days. The only major pollutant of any concern is the nitrogen runoff from farms in the western basin which causes toxic algae blooms.

Um, no.

I went swimming there two years ago.  After an hour or so a park ranger showed up and told everyone to get out of the water because there was - no kidding - sewage runoff in the water.  Yup, we were all swimming in shiat.  Thanks Cleveland.  We all showered up as best as we could on site and then I drove home and sat in the hottest shower I could manage for about an hour.

Fark swimming in Lake Erie.


The lake is clean ... what isn't clean is the combined sewer system of a city over 200 years old. When we get heavy rains, the storm sewers feed into the sanitary sewers. That much water over that short of a period means that the overflow is sent directly into the streams and into the lake. This is only an issue after heavy rainfall and is something we're spending BILLIONS of dollars right now remedying. Something like half a dozen tunnels are being built under Lake Erie right now as overflow storage for weather events. Most locals are aware of this, so we avoid beaches by river outlets after a large rainfall.

This is overly simplified, but explains more about the problems cities without wholly separate storm sewers face.

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You can read more about the sewer tunneling projects here:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/​0​2/deep_underground_cleveland_tun.html

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2018-04-16 10:36:59 AM  
4 votes:
And LE is the "small lake." Most folks have no clue how massive these lakes are.
2018-04-16 09:34:11 AM  
3 votes:

robodog: It's actually a triumph of environmental regulation that a river and lake system which was on the brink of collapse less than 50 years ago is now very healthy.


That triumph had more to do with the iron gut that zebra mussels have.
2018-04-16 09:17:52 AM  
3 votes:

robodog: Um, the lake is quite clean these days. The only major pollutant of any concern is the nitrogen runoff from farms in the western basin which causes toxic algae blooms. That's actually a good thing since in the 70's not even the algae would grow. Amazingly the health has gotten so good in the last decade that they've lifted all recommendations on the number of fish per year eaten from the lake. It's actually a triumph of environmental regulation that a river and lake system which was on the brink of collapse less than 50 years ago is now very healthy.

/Though this week with all the rain I don't think I'd go in
//We still need to fix our combined storm and sanitary sewer system
///$3B and going up every year is the current expected cost, I'm expecting over $6B by the time we actually get done with the project


funny how you never hear that, it's as if they want people to be afraid of their own natural water sources and flock to buying bottled water
2018-04-16 02:13:09 PM  
2 votes:

Preston Preston: seadoo2006: The lake is clean ... what isn't clean is the combined sewer system of a city over 200 years old.

I do thank you for the explanation, that is interesting stuff and I'm glad to know that Cleveland is working on the problem.

My reason for being in this thread though is that people are calling the lake "clean" when occasionally Cleveland - for whatever reason - dumps it's shiat in the water.

I don't think you can claim both "clean" and "sewage".  Pretty much one or the other in my book.


Fish poop in the water all the time.  One city's sewage, on occasion, over an entire lake is not a catastrophe.  It's gross at the time, but is rectified by the lake biota fairly quickly.  What can't be cleaned are the PCBs, dioxins, etc., that are no longer being dumped.  The worst part about the sewage is not the poop, but the pharmaceuticals.
2018-04-16 12:02:02 PM  
2 votes:

MelGoesOnTour: Where are the "high waves"?


Meh. Paddleboarding≠Surfing
2018-04-16 11:37:35 AM  
2 votes:
Those aren't waves.
2018-04-16 10:57:35 AM  
2 votes:

seadoo2006: The lakes can get monstrously angry when the wind is just right ...


Wind gusts exceed 60 mph High waves Silver Beach, North Pier
Youtube MIAU8PhYehU

Yeah, though the waves don't necessarily get as high as they do in the ocean, they're choppy as all hell and will happily smash you to pieces.  There's a reason the lakes are littered with shipwrecks and commercial shippers who have sailed both the lakes and the ocean will often say the lakes are more hazardous.
2018-04-16 10:23:15 AM  
2 votes:

metamax: [img.fark.net image 425x425]Lake Erie! Woah!
(Not)


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That first one is less than a mile from my work. I've been on the shoreway three lanes in and had a wave crash over the road and fling a fish onto my hood, also pushed me over one whole lane.
2018-04-16 09:24:11 AM  
2 votes:

seadoo2006: Panatheist: funny how you never hear that, it's as if they want people to be afraid of their own natural water sources and flock to buying bottled water

I know people that refuse to swim in Lake Erie because "it's dirty." Meh, more lake for me to enjoy.

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Corporations want to take the great lakes away from the people. All that lakefront is being planned for rich people to buy up, and all the water will belong to nestle in time
2018-04-16 09:21:59 AM  
2 votes:

Panatheist: funny how you never hear that, it's as if they want people to be afraid of their own natural water sources and flock to buying bottled water


I know people that refuse to swim in Lake Erie because "it's dirty." Meh, more lake for me to enjoy.

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2018-04-16 09:17:27 AM  
2 votes:
Meh ... the lake isn't nearly as bad as it was 50 years ago ... perfectly fine for some aquatic activities ... although these people are straight up crazy. I don't generally get in until sometime mid-June when the lake gets near 70º.

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2018-04-16 09:17:20 AM  
2 votes:
The Euclid Beach Band-No Surf In Cleveland
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2018-04-16 09:15:57 AM  
2 votes:
If by flock you mean paddle forlornly by themselves and if by waves you mean gentle swells.
2018-04-16 02:35:05 PM  
1 vote:

SuperSix-Two: [images.genius.com image 496x288]
Skeet Surfin!


actually a great tune
top secret - surf scene
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2018-04-16 01:28:18 PM  
1 vote:

Gleeman: I've only ridden what I'm sure were 'low power' rental jet skis, but I can only imagine how much fun it would be to wipe out at 75mph on water.

/for certain definitions of fun


Lake Erie enemas are not that much fun, but jerking the wheel sideways 90º at 50mph and going catapulting across the surface for a football field is a lot of fun ... double points if you don't warn the person on back when you do it, haha.
2018-04-16 12:16:44 PM  
1 vote:

robodog: Um, the lake is quite clean these days. The only major pollutant of any concern is the nitrogen runoff from farms in the western basin which causes toxic algae blooms. That's actually a good thing since in the 70's not even the algae would grow. Amazingly the health has gotten so good in the last decade that they've lifted all recommendations on the number of fish per year eaten from the lake. It's actually a triumph of environmental regulation that a river and lake system which was on the brink of collapse less than 50 years ago is now very healthy.

/Though this week with all the rain I don't think I'd go in
//We still need to fix our combined storm and sanitary sewer system
///$3B and going up every year is the current expected cost, I'm expecting over $6B by the time we actually get done with the project


I spent a summer in high school interning with a laboratory connected with US Fish & Wildlife (IIRC) in Buffalo, spending about six hours a day dissecting brown bullheads caught in various places along both the Upper and Lower Niagara River to determine, among other things, the environmental health of Lake Erie. Even as far back as 1987 the lake itself was rebounding remarkably from the conditions present in the 60s and 70s; being a shallow puddle in comparison with the rest of the GLs, it flushed itself out pretty damn quickly, as the overwhelming majority of bullheads we caught were healthy with few signs of lesions or defects.

The Lower Niagara River, though, downstream of Occidental and other chemical plants in and around Niagara Falls, was another story indeed. *shudder*

/Yeah, I'm old.
2018-04-16 11:13:32 AM  
1 vote:
I remember reading that Lake Erie had the biggest waves because it was the shallowest.
2018-04-16 10:29:05 AM  
1 vote:

robodog: metamax: [img.fark.net image 425x425]Lake Erie! Woah!
(Not)

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That first one is less than a mile from my work. I've been on the shoreway three lanes in and had a wave crash over the road and fling a fish onto my hood, also pushed me over one whole lane.


The fish hitting my car on the Shoreway ... oh, one of the many things I love about living here, haha.

The lakes can get monstrously angry when the wind is just right ...

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2018-04-16 10:26:19 AM  
1 vote:

robodog: Um, the lake is quite clean these days. The only major pollutant of any concern is the nitrogen runoff from farms in the western basin which causes toxic algae blooms. That's actually a good thing since in the 70's not even the algae would grow. Amazingly the health has gotten so good in the last decade that they've lifted all recommendations on the number of fish per year eaten from the lake. It's actually a triumph of environmental regulation that a river and lake system which was on the brink of collapse less than 50 years ago is now very healthy.

/Though this week with all the rain I don't think I'd go in
//We still need to fix our combined storm and sanitary sewer system
///$3B and going up every year is the current expected cost, I'm expecting over $6B by the time we actually get done with the project


That is very true, but don't forget the (somewhat) beneficial action of an ongoing invasive catastrophe - zebra mussels.

http://www.mtcws.mtu.edu/Education/20​0​9_Posters/VanDerLaar_Policy%20EC%20Pos​ter.pdf

What should've taken decades more time was sped up to an insane pace by these little filter feeders, but they do TOO good a job and wind up filtering almost all of the nutrients out of the water.

On the other hand the last time I was up at South Bass in the summer the water was such a shade of turquoise blue it looked like the Bahamas, not Ohio.

Very surreal since I remember being in the lake as a kid and the water was so nasty it would stain swimsuits.  That was mostly (we hoped) mud, but still.
2018-04-16 09:57:33 AM  
1 vote:
Lake Erie's lovely, but it still creeps me out.

/ Thanks, I'll be here all week
// Try the veal
/// Seriously, I hope I can get to Presque Isle this summer, it's gorgeous there
2018-04-16 09:29:39 AM  
1 vote:
Where are the "high waves"?
2018-04-16 09:25:04 AM  
1 vote:

Oliver Twisted: FTFA:  All of the surfers on the water were wearing full-body wet suits.

I'm going to assume the reporter is clueless as to the existence of dry suits or the video missed the part where the surfers were treated for hypothermia.


Wym Hoff laughs at you.
2018-04-16 09:17:19 AM  
1 vote:
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Skeet Surfin!
 
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