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jlt [TotalFark]
2018-04-16 12:03:56 PM  
We have our sailboat on Lake Erie. The waves build up very quickly because it is so shallow.

We just stay in the West part of the Lake...South Bass, Kelley's Island and Pelee Island mostly.

We've been out there with 10 foot waves and I learned that I could successfully throw up over the side of the boat without any blowback or mess.
 
2018-04-16 12:16:44 PM  

robodog: Um, the lake is quite clean these days. The only major pollutant of any concern is the nitrogen runoff from farms in the western basin which causes toxic algae blooms. That's actually a good thing since in the 70's not even the algae would grow. Amazingly the health has gotten so good in the last decade that they've lifted all recommendations on the number of fish per year eaten from the lake. It's actually a triumph of environmental regulation that a river and lake system which was on the brink of collapse less than 50 years ago is now very healthy.

/Though this week with all the rain I don't think I'd go in
//We still need to fix our combined storm and sanitary sewer system
///$3B and going up every year is the current expected cost, I'm expecting over $6B by the time we actually get done with the project


I spent a summer in high school interning with a laboratory connected with US Fish & Wildlife (IIRC) in Buffalo, spending about six hours a day dissecting brown bullheads caught in various places along both the Upper and Lower Niagara River to determine, among other things, the environmental health of Lake Erie. Even as far back as 1987 the lake itself was rebounding remarkably from the conditions present in the 60s and 70s; being a shallow puddle in comparison with the rest of the GLs, it flushed itself out pretty damn quickly, as the overwhelming majority of bullheads we caught were healthy with few signs of lesions or defects.

The Lower Niagara River, though, downstream of Occidental and other chemical plants in and around Niagara Falls, was another story indeed. *shudder*

/Yeah, I'm old.
 
2018-04-16 12:19:53 PM  

PabloHosehead: robodog: Um, the lake is quite clean these days. The only major pollutant of any concern is the nitrogen runoff from farms in the western basin which causes toxic algae blooms. That's actually a good thing since in the 70's not even the algae would grow. Amazingly the health has gotten so good in the last decade that they've lifted all recommendations on the number of fish per year eaten from the lake. It's actually a triumph of environmental regulation that a river and lake system which was on the brink of collapse less than 50 years ago is now very healthy.

/Though this week with all the rain I don't think I'd go in
//We still need to fix our combined storm and sanitary sewer system
///$3B and going up every year is the current expected cost, I'm expecting over $6B by the time we actually get done with the project

I spent a summer in high school interning with a laboratory connected with US Fish & Wildlife (IIRC) in Buffalo, spending about six hours a day dissecting brown bullheads caught in various places along both the Upper and Lower Niagara River to determine, among other things, the environmental health of Lake Erie. Even as far back as 1987 the lake itself was rebounding remarkably from the conditions present in the 60s and 70s; being a shallow puddle in comparison with the rest of the GLs, it flushed itself out pretty damn quickly, as the overwhelming majority of bullheads we caught were healthy with few signs of lesions or defects.

The Lower Niagara River, though, downstream of Occidental and other chemical plants in and around Niagara Falls, was another story indeed. *shudder*

/Yeah, I'm old.


The biannual inversion the lake goes through tends to bury heavy metal contamination below the silt. Which helped.
 
2018-04-16 12:27:53 PM  

seadoo2006: The lake is clean ... what isn't clean is the combined sewer system of a city over 200 years old.


I do thank you for the explanation, that is interesting stuff and I'm glad to know that Cleveland is working on the problem.

My reason for being in this thread though is that people are calling the lake "clean" when occasionally Cleveland - for whatever reason - dumps it's shiat in the water.

I don't think you can claim both "clean" and "sewage".  Pretty much one or the other in my book.
 
2018-04-16 12:30:20 PM  

seadoo2006: Dr Jack Badofsky: seadoo2006: Meh ... the lake isn't nearly as bad as it was 50 years ago ... perfectly fine for some aquatic activities ... although these people are straight up crazy. I don't generally get in until sometime mid-June when the lake gets near 70º.

[scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

Checks Fark handle, looks at picture, notices Yamaha product.

o.O

Haha, I sold my Sea-Doo several years ago in favor of the Yamaha. There are some things I like more, some things I don't. Looking at replacing this with an RXT-X 300 ... something about more hp in my jet ski than my car makes me giggle like a school girl ...

[YouTube video: Sea-Doo RXT-X 300 - PWC Review]


WTF is with the 67mph electronic speed limiter? That's a crock. Now it looks like you can get an ECU mod that removes it and allows for 75MPH sustained top speed, that's the only way I'd pay for a 300HP jet ski, otherwise there's no sense since units with just over half that can reach the same 67MPH. Heck, I think I'd pay for the stage 2 kit and get it to 80mph. I've driven fast on land but even 185 in a Ferrari doesn't compare to 72mph on the water =)
 
2018-04-16 12:31:27 PM  
That video was like watching the chubby guy paddling channel
 
2018-04-16 12:36:07 PM  

Preston Preston: seadoo2006: The lake is clean ... what isn't clean is the combined sewer system of a city over 200 years old.

I do thank you for the explanation, that is interesting stuff and I'm glad to know that Cleveland is working on the problem.

My reason for being in this thread though is that people are calling the lake "clean" when occasionally Cleveland - for whatever reason - dumps it's shiat in the water.

I don't think you can claim both "clean" and "sewage".  Pretty much one or the other in my book.


Well, Cleveland may be, but there are a LOT of cities/towns/villages that use the Lake for water treatment that are in the same boat, but are not in any process for remediation of their antiquated sewage treatment plants...
 
2018-04-16 12:36:15 PM  
I still think of Lake Erie as being the cesspool of the Great Lakes.  After being in all the other Great Lakes, the water there just seems funky somehow.  I think being downriver from Detroit isn't helping it.  And yes, those invasive zebra mussels really did clean up the water (in an unhealthy way).  I remember not being able to see my own hand in Lake St. Clair and now you can see the bottom for a long way.  Someone should be studying those little suckers in each of the great lakes to see how much crud they are pulling in and what kind of crud.
 
2018-04-16 12:39:14 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: Where are the "high waves"?


img.fark.netView Full Size

The waves have never been higher.
 
2018-04-16 12:47:32 PM  
Surfing Lake Erie? Why not? The longest surf ride on the planet is the Amazon River.
Pororoca - Surfing the Amazon
Youtube 0jgL0AUcf58
 
2018-04-16 12:50:59 PM  

robodog: seadoo2006: Dr Jack Badofsky: seadoo2006: Meh ... the lake isn't nearly as bad as it was 50 years ago ... perfectly fine for some aquatic activities ... although these people are straight up crazy. I don't generally get in until sometime mid-June when the lake gets near 70º.

[scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

Checks Fark handle, looks at picture, notices Yamaha product.

o.O

Haha, I sold my Sea-Doo several years ago in favor of the Yamaha. There are some things I like more, some things I don't. Looking at replacing this with an RXT-X 300 ... something about more hp in my jet ski than my car makes me giggle like a school girl ...

[YouTube video: Sea-Doo RXT-X 300 - PWC Review]

WTF is with the 67mph electronic speed limiter? That's a crock. Now it looks like you can get an ECU mod that removes it and allows for 75MPH sustained top speed, that's the only way I'd pay for a 300HP jet ski, otherwise there's no sense since units with just over half that can reach the same 67MPH. Heck, I think I'd pay for the stage 2 kit and get it to 80mph. I've driven fast on land but even 185 in a Ferrari doesn't compare to 72mph on the water =)


I've only ridden what I'm sure were 'low power' rental jet skis, but I can only imagine how much fun it would be to wipe out at 75mph on water.


/for certain definitions of fun
 
2018-04-16 01:28:18 PM  

Gleeman: I've only ridden what I'm sure were 'low power' rental jet skis, but I can only imagine how much fun it would be to wipe out at 75mph on water.

/for certain definitions of fun


Lake Erie enemas are not that much fun, but jerking the wheel sideways 90º at 50mph and going catapulting across the surface for a football field is a lot of fun ... double points if you don't warn the person on back when you do it, haha.
 
2018-04-16 01:39:33 PM  
POSTED 1:16 PM, APRIL 15, 2018, BY LINDSAY BUCKINGHAM

I know he was fired by the Mac, but damn that's a long fall.
 
2018-04-16 01:49:20 PM  
Throwing a match in the water will burn off the worst of it.
 
2018-04-16 01:55:24 PM  

New Age Redneck: Surfing Lake Erie? Why not? The longest surf ride on the planet is the Amazon River.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/0jgL0AUc​f58]


The Piranha-zon?

Gotta say that's a big NOPE.
 
2018-04-16 02:01:42 PM  
Nobody?  Guess I'll do it...

The Naked Gun - I Love it
Youtube 0La3aBSjvGY
 
2018-04-16 02:13:09 PM  

Preston Preston: seadoo2006: The lake is clean ... what isn't clean is the combined sewer system of a city over 200 years old.

I do thank you for the explanation, that is interesting stuff and I'm glad to know that Cleveland is working on the problem.

My reason for being in this thread though is that people are calling the lake "clean" when occasionally Cleveland - for whatever reason - dumps it's shiat in the water.

I don't think you can claim both "clean" and "sewage".  Pretty much one or the other in my book.


Fish poop in the water all the time.  One city's sewage, on occasion, over an entire lake is not a catastrophe.  It's gross at the time, but is rectified by the lake biota fairly quickly.  What can't be cleaned are the PCBs, dioxins, etc., that are no longer being dumped.  The worst part about the sewage is not the poop, but the pharmaceuticals.
 
2018-04-16 02:24:52 PM  
I bought a(n?) used 9'0" in Wrightsville Beach, NC 20 years ago and the dude at the surf shop said the board had been surfed strictly in Lake Michigan.  Shaped locally up there too.

/CSB
 
2018-04-16 02:34:27 PM  

fictional_character: What can't be cleaned are the PCBs, dioxins, etc., that are no longer being dumped.


The Trump administration has a few more years to go, don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
 
2018-04-16 02:35:05 PM  

SuperSix-Two: [images.genius.com image 496x288]
Skeet Surfin!


actually a great tune
top secret - surf scene
Youtube 7f_19nxNfjs
 
2018-04-16 02:58:26 PM  
Here is the whole film of that You Tube post above.

https://www.redbull.tv/video/AP-1P6P3​2​NXW1W11/pororoca

   Bill's movie is one big blugoat commercial, but what a stunning one it is. This won our local film fest a whole bunch of years ago.
 
2018-04-16 02:58:56 PM  

Sailing Starflower: POSTED 1:16 PM, APRIL 15, 2018, BY LINDSAY BUCKINGHAM

I know he was fired by the Mac, but damn that's a long fall.


img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-04-16 03:02:04 PM  
Weaksauce.
Worst. Waves. Ever.
 
2018-04-16 03:09:28 PM  
whidbeyNew Age Redneck: Surfing Lake Erie? Why not? The longest surf ride on the planet is the Amazon River.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/0jgL0AUc​f58]

The Piranha-zon?

Gotta say that's a big NOPE.


I would highly recommend not watching the short section of the film starting at 5:40, definitely nightmare inducing....
 
2018-04-16 03:48:29 PM  

jlt: We have our sailboat on Lake Erie. The waves build up very quickly because it is so shallow.

We just stay in the West part of the Lake...South Bass, Kelley's Island and Pelee Island mostly.

We've been out there with 10 foot waves and I learned that I could successfully throw up over the side of the boat without any blowback or mess.


But does Lake Erie give up its dead?
 
2018-04-16 04:48:07 PM  
I live very near Lake Erie.

I would bet that approximately 5% of the water going over Niagara Falls flowed through the septic systems of all the hundreds of thousands of houses that still have no access to a sewer system... Like me!  My shiat and piss go through 2 tanks for the solids to settle, then 200 yards to a creek, then 5 miles to the lake. Just like everyone else in our town of 2000... and just like hundreds of other small.towns.

No thanks, Lake Erie watersports.
 
2018-04-16 05:17:29 PM  

GORDON: I live very near Lake Erie.

I would bet that approximately 5% of the water going over Niagara Falls flowed through the septic systems of all the hundreds of thousands of houses that still have no access to a sewer system... Like me!  My shiat and piss go through 2 tanks for the solids to settle, then 200 yards to a creek, then 5 miles to the lake. Just like everyone else in our town of 2000... and just like hundreds of other small.towns.

No thanks, Lake Erie watersports.


Lake Erie has 116 cu mi of water in it, or about 130 trillion gallons of water. If every person in the state of Ohio used the lake as their septic system, with each person using 100 gallons of sewage per day, that would account for only 401 billion gallons of sewage per year, or a little under 0.3% of the total volume of the lake. Given that the entire volume of the lake is replaced every 2.6 years, you are talking about at MOST, if EVERYONE in the state dumped 100 gallons of sewage into it per day, less than 1% of the water going over the falls would be sewage. 

The smallest of the Great Lakes is still YUUUUUGE and, besides, most septic systems just use the soil itself as the filtering agent before being recycled into ground aquifers. 

Your concern, while noted, is entirely hilarious, and false.
 
2018-04-16 06:20:19 PM  

seadoo2006: GORDON: I live very near Lake Erie.

I would bet that approximately 5% of the water going over Niagara Falls flowed through the septic systems of all the hundreds of thousands of houses that still have no access to a sewer system... Like me!  My shiat and piss go through 2 tanks for the solids to settle, then 200 yards to a creek, then 5 miles to the lake. Just like everyone else in our town of 2000... and just like hundreds of other small.towns.

No thanks, Lake Erie watersports.

Lake Erie has 116 cu mi of water in it, or about 130 trillion gallons of water. If every person in the state of Ohio used the lake as their septic system, with each person using 100 gallons of sewage per day, that would account for only 401 billion gallons of sewage per year, or a little under 0.3% of the total volume of the lake. Given that the entire volume of the lake is replaced every 2.6 years, you are talking about at MOST, if EVERYONE in the state dumped 100 gallons of sewage into it per day, less than 1% of the water going over the falls would be sewage.

The smallest of the Great Lakes is still YUUUUUGE and, besides, most septic systems just use the soil itself as the filtering agent before being recycled into ground aquifers.

Your concern, while noted, is entirely hilarious, and false.


You are forgetting about the homeopathy principle.
 
2018-04-17 12:44:55 AM  

seadoo2006: GORDON: I live very near Lake Erie.

I would bet that approximately 5% of the water going over Niagara Falls flowed through the septic systems of all the hundreds of thousands of houses that still have no access to a sewer system... Like me!  My shiat and piss go through 2 tanks for the solids to settle, then 200 yards to a creek, then 5 miles to the lake. Just like everyone else in our town of 2000... and just like hundreds of other small.towns.

No thanks, Lake Erie watersports.

Lake Erie has 116 cu mi of water in it, or about 130 trillion gallons of water. If every person in the state of Ohio used the lake as their septic system, with each person using 100 gallons of sewage per day, that would account for only 401 billion gallons of sewage per year, or a little under 0.3% of the total volume of the lake. Given that the entire volume of the lake is replaced every 2.6 years, you are talking about at MOST, if EVERYONE in the state dumped 100 gallons of sewage into it per day, less than 1% of the water going over the falls would be sewage. 

The smallest of the Great Lakes is still YUUUUUGE and, besides, most septic systems just use the soil itself as the filtering agent before being recycled into ground aquifers. 

Your concern, while noted, is entirely hilarious, and false.


I pee directly into the lake.
 
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