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2018-04-15 04:02:02 PM  
I also watched Waterworld, so we're good.
 
2018-04-15 04:05:36 PM  
You owe it to yourself just to find out what space herpes looks like

/Also: Tank Girl
 
2018-04-15 04:14:20 PM  
Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.
 
2018-04-15 04:15:20 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You owe it to yourself just to find out what space herpes looks like

/Also: Tank Girl


Space Herpe - Ice Pirates (1984)
Youtube -me2inj1nNw
 
2018-04-15 04:24:56 PM  
Robin Williams - Water
Youtube fktiuIv62gg
 
2018-04-15 05:22:06 PM  
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We're all going to get pretend castrated?
Because that was pretty farking scary the first time I watched it.
 
2018-04-15 05:39:07 PM  
Let's see....I live near a river, my community should be fine.
 
2018-04-15 05:45:30 PM  
Well as long as I'm not stuck on the Canturbury, that thing is a death trap.
 
2018-04-15 05:55:46 PM  
I see someone already covered space herpes, so I'll see myself out.
 
2018-04-15 05:59:00 PM  

kdawg7736: Let's see....I live near a river, my community should be fine.


I'm sure the people in Mexico living alonv the Colorado River thought that way once too...
 
2018-04-15 05:59:56 PM  
Just buy it from Nestles.
Problem solved.
 
2018-04-15 06:01:29 PM  
~Well, I live in America, nobody here EVER has to worry about access to clean drinking water!~

Yes, yes, I know, that was sarcasm.
 
2018-04-15 06:02:08 PM  

Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.


For-EVAR !!

/you're right, I just can't get that voice out of my head
 
2018-04-15 06:02:29 PM  

Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.


Desalinization - a very limited, very expensive solution, for a very limited number of cases trotted out as a panacea by people who can't do math and don't understand basic shiat like "water flows downhill.

Nuclear power - expensive, dangerous, only approaches something within a light-year of economic sense if you shift and hide all the health, waste, disaster, environmental and other "insignificant" costs. It has a small place as a stopgap.
 
2018-04-15 06:02:59 PM  

vudukungfu: Just buy it from Nestles.
Problem solved.


The Swiss are gonna take over the world.
 
2018-04-15 06:03:42 PM  
Sooooo....

Is it time for desalination?
 
2018-04-15 06:04:12 PM  
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If only there was some way to get fresh water from this tiny body of water they're on.
hmmm  maybe a few Desalinization plants or four.
Yes crazy expensive, but the options are.
1. Spend the money
or
2. Everyone pack up and move out
 
2018-04-15 06:04:59 PM  

anuran: Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.

Desalinization - a very limited, very expensive solution, for a very limited number of cases trotted out as a panacea by people who can't do math and don't understand basic shiat like "water flows downhill.

Nuclear power - expensive, dangerous, only approaches something within a light-year of economic sense if you shift and hide all the health, waste, disaster, environmental and other "insignificant" costs. It has a small place as a stopgap.


Your first point is only valid if your second is true, which it isn't.
 
2018-04-15 06:06:10 PM  
Desalination isn't actually that hard, just expensive compared to getting water for free.
 
2018-04-15 06:07:16 PM  
 
2018-04-15 06:10:09 PM  

kdawg7736: Let's see....I live near a river, my community should be fine.


Except everyone will come to kill you.
 
2018-04-15 06:10:38 PM  

HighOnCraic: MaudlinMutantMollusk: You owe it to yourself just to find out what space herpes looks like


Came here for this. Left satisfied.
 
2018-04-15 06:12:35 PM  
We should concentrate on melting the polar ice caps. Problem solved.
 
2018-04-15 06:13:15 PM  
I will become a moisture farmer and gain the power of the force.
 
2018-04-15 06:19:21 PM  
I live in Upstate NY. If anything, climate change seems to be making our general area even wetter. Suck it, everyone else.
 
2018-04-15 06:20:18 PM  

Invincible: anuran: Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.

Desalinization - a very limited, very expensive solution, for a very limited number of cases trotted out as a panacea by people who can't do math and don't understand basic shiat like "water flows downhill.

Nuclear power - expensive, dangerous, only approaches something within a light-year of economic sense if you shift and hide all the health, waste, disaster, environmental and other "insignificant" costs. It has a small place as a stopgap.

Your first point is only valid if your second is true, which it isn't.


My second point is absolutely true. The waste problem isn't even vaguely solved. They've been blowing smoke up our arses for decades. The costs of cleanup (I'm from the Tri-Cities, so don't even get started about cleanup) has been completely ignored. The environmental costs have been swept under the rug. There is no insurance which can cover the cost of a Chernobyl or Fukushima, not cleanup, not direct costs, not the health or other human costs, not ongoing costs which will be ongoing for centuries. The only way they've pretended it worked has been by saying "Suck it up" and "We just declared that there weren't any costs."

As for the first, desalinization isn't cheap. The cost of pumping water uphill to places where it's needed for agriculture or cities which aren't on the coastline is damned high. The cost of moving everything as coastlines shift is not zero. It just has lots of zeroes after the first couple digits.

Sorry to burst your Heinleinesque bubble. Not every problem has simplistic, easy, cheap solutions. Water is one of those problems.
 
2018-04-15 06:21:48 PM  
Glad I live in Minnesota, until we get invaded by Arizona.
 
2018-04-15 06:22:53 PM  
During non-peak hours, wind farms, hydro plants, and solar provide power that is often not able to be stored for later usage.  

Desalination plants could use all that extra power and provide clean drinking water, and a lot of sodium and other elements.  

Thorium based nuke plants are pretty safe, and could also be used to power desalination plants.
 
2018-04-15 06:23:06 PM  

anuran: The costs of cleanup...


That you're trotting out is probably mostly related to cold war era reprocessing for weapons before anyone knew any better about the waste cycle.

But keep thinking that just because we havent built a new plant since 1978 that technology hasn't improved. While you're doing that, think about everything else in your modern life in terms of 1978 and I mean REALLY think about whether or not it's possible that maybe nuclear tech has improved in the past 40 years.
 
2018-04-15 06:25:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /Also: Tank Girl


Tank Girl - Shower scene
Youtube WCKJWi_4jvA
 
2018-04-15 06:26:04 PM  

anuran: Invincible: anuran: Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.

Desalinization - a very limited, very expensive solution, for a very limited number of cases trotted out as a panacea by people who can't do math and don't understand basic shiat like "water flows downhill.

Nuclear power - expensive, dangerous, only approaches something within a light-year of economic sense if you shift and hide all the health, waste, disaster, environmental and other "insignificant" costs. It has a small place as a stopgap.

Your first point is only valid if your second is true, which it isn't.

My second point is absolutely true. The waste problem isn't even vaguely solved. They've been blowing smoke up our arses for decades. The costs of cleanup (I'm from the Tri-Cities, so don't even get started about cleanup) has been completely ignored. The environmental costs have been swept under the rug. There is no insurance which can cover the cost of a Chernobyl or Fukushima, not cleanup, not direct costs, not the health or other human costs, not ongoing costs which will be ongoing for centuries. The only way they've pretended it worked has been by saying "Suck it up" and "We just declared that there weren't any costs."

As for the first, desalinization isn't cheap. The cost of pumping water uphill to places where it's needed for agriculture or cities which aren't on the coastline is damned high. The cost of moving everything as coastlines shift is not zero. It just has lots of zeroes after the first couple digits.

Sorry to burst your Heinleinesque bubble. Not every problem has simplistic, easy, cheap solutions. Water is one of those problems.


Low level nuclear waste should be incinerated, but isn't because scary ooga-booga.  A lot of high level waste COULD be reprocessed, but isn't because politics - reprocessing and nuclear bomb material making look a lot alike.

Imagine if coal power plants had to bag and sequester their emissions and tailings piles.
 
2018-04-15 06:27:19 PM  

Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.


TSA already gives me problems with my desalinized bottled water. If I tell them I made it myself with this bag of plutonium, they might really get upset!
 
2018-04-15 06:27:47 PM  
Let them drink Coke.

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2018-04-15 06:28:36 PM  

anuran: Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.

Desalinization - a very limited, very expensive solution, for a very limited number of cases trotted out as a panacea by people who can't do math and don't understand basic shiat like "water flows downhill.


How do current water supplies get up to the tops of those water towers again?
 
2018-04-15 06:29:38 PM  

anuran: Invincible: anuran: Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.

Desalinization - a very limited, very expensive solution, for a very limited number of cases trotted out as a panacea by people who can't do math and don't understand basic shiat like "water flows downhill.

Nuclear power - expensive, dangerous, only approaches something within a light-year of economic sense if you shift and hide all the health, waste, disaster, environmental and other "insignificant" costs. It has a small place as a stopgap.

Your first point is only valid if your second is true, which it isn't.

My second point is absolutely true. The waste problem isn't even vaguely solved. They've been blowing smoke up our arses for decades. The costs of cleanup (I'm from the Tri-Cities, so don't even get started about cleanup) has been completely ignored. The environmental costs have been swept under the rug. There is no insurance which can cover the cost of a Chernobyl or Fukushima, not cleanup, not direct costs, not the health or other human costs, not ongoing costs which will be ongoing for centuries. The only way they've pretended it worked has been by saying "Suck it up" and "We just declared that there weren't any costs."

As for the first, desalinization isn't cheap. The cost of pumping water uphill to places where it's needed for agriculture or cities which aren't on the coastline is damned high. The cost of moving everything as coastlines shift is not zero. It just has lots of zeroes after the first couple digits.

Sorry to burst your Heinleinesque bubble. Not every problem has simplistic, easy, cheap solutions. Water is one of those problems.


I have an idea.  Can we stop growing rice in the desert?  It'd probably also be a good idea to stop building cities there.
 
2018-04-15 06:30:45 PM  

Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.


Ouch, my aching sides.
 
2018-04-15 06:35:08 PM  

Catlenfell: Glad I live in Minnesota, until we get invaded by Arizona.


You guys keep sending us your old people. It's the other way around.
 
2018-04-15 06:37:03 PM  
I drink my own piss
 
2018-04-15 06:39:59 PM  

anuran: Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.

Desalinization - a very limited, very expensive solution, for a very limited number of cases trotted out as a panacea by people who can't do math and don't understand basic shiat like "water flows downhill.

Nuclear power - expensive, dangerous, only approaches something within a light-year of economic sense if you shift and hide all the health, waste, disaster, environmental and other "insignificant" costs. It has a small place as a stopgap.


Hint: He's talking about the synergy between nuclear power plants which already require desalinization. Our local plant provides desalinated water to us.
 
2018-04-15 06:40:30 PM  
Pool on when Canada will be harbouring WMDs?
 
2018-04-15 06:41:09 PM  

rikkards: Pool on when Canada will be harbouring WMDs?


Russia has more fresh water than Canada. Go after them first.
 
2018-04-15 06:42:05 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I drink my own piss


..... open company that sells koolaid mix for urine ....

Someone will do it. GrylsAid
 
2018-04-15 06:45:08 PM  
I've got a solution, but it requires an Oath of Fealty
 
2018-04-15 06:45:50 PM  
Did some one say Ice Pirates?

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\what's next, Buckaroo Bonzai?
 
2018-04-15 06:47:19 PM  

anuran: Invincible: anuran: Destructor: Desalinization. Nuclear power. Start now. Then you don't have to worry about it later.

/Problem solved forever.

Desalinization - a very limited, very expensive solution, for a very limited number of cases trotted out as a panacea by people who can't do math and don't understand basic shiat like "water flows downhill.

Nuclear power - expensive, dangerous, only approaches something within a light-year of economic sense if you shift and hide all the health, waste, disaster, environmental and other "insignificant" costs. It has a small place as a stopgap.

Your first point is only valid if your second is true, which it isn't.

My second point is absolutely true. The waste problem isn't even vaguely solved. They've been blowing smoke up our arses for decades. The costs of cleanup (I'm from the Tri-Cities, so don't even get started about cleanup) has been completely ignored. The environmental costs have been swept under the rug. There is no insurance which can cover the cost of a Chernobyl or Fukushima, not cleanup, not direct costs, not the health or other human costs, not ongoing costs which will be ongoing for centuries. The only way they've pretended it worked has been by saying "Suck it up" and "We just declared that there weren't any costs."

As for the first, desalinization isn't cheap. The cost of pumping water uphill to places where it's needed for agriculture or cities which aren't on the coastline is damned high. The cost of moving everything as coastlines shift is not zero. It just has lots of zeroes after the first couple digits.

Sorry to burst your Heinleinesque bubble. Not every problem has simplistic, easy, cheap solutions. Water is one of those problems.


Um, your point about nuclear power is wrong? Or at least, it's mostly wrong. Even considering costs of maintenance/cooling/pumping water, it's still cheaper per kwh than almost any other form of power including renewables.

Now, this breaks down when you consider environmental costs from reactors melting down. But I don't know what those numbers actually are.
Also consider nuclear power produces almost zero emissions. So if you're going to do a full detailed analysis, you also want to look at what nuclear power is saving in terms of carbon footprint. I don't have a value on that, but I'm sure one could be calculated.
 
2018-04-15 06:47:37 PM  
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Yeah, I think St. Louis will be just fine... if all else fails we still have plenty of Bud Light here.
 
2018-04-15 06:48:57 PM  
If we can send a man to the moon, we should be able to catch a cloud, nurture it and have it grow up into a nice little thunderstorm.
 
2018-04-15 06:51:23 PM  

upndn: If we can send a man to the moon, we should be able to catch a cloud, nurture it and have it grow up into a nice little thunderstorm.


and people for the ethical treatment of condensation is born.
 
2018-04-15 06:55:40 PM  

electricjebus: [img.fark.net image 850x708]

Yeah, I think St. Louis will be just fine... if all else fails we still have plenty of Bud Light here.


The Ark doesn't exist west of that great bend; center-pivot irrigation made sure of that.
 
2018-04-15 06:58:10 PM  

groppet: I will become a moisture farmer and gain the power of the force.


I will flee to the desert, join the Fremen, and become the Kwisatz Haderach.
 
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