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2018-04-15 12:45:03 AM  
Because f*ck you, we're cops. That's why
 
2018-04-15 01:49:10 AM  
The police chief is correct.  The business operator said they were asked to leave and did not leave.  At that point, they were trespassing.  The business operator called the police, and they were arrested for trespassing.  The police did what they were supposed to do.  Was it excessive on the part of the Starbucks? Would the police have been called if it was two white guys? Do people go into Starbucks all the time to meet someone, without ordering anything?  Those are entirely different questions.  But unless there's an awful lot left out of this story, the cops are not in any way at fault here.
 
2018-04-15 01:49:38 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because f*ck you, we're cops. That's why


Do you think the officers just showed up on a whim?  The article itself says that the employees called the police to get these men out of the store.  The officers showed up and they still refused to leave.  At that point there isn't much else to do.

Now is there racism at play here?  Absolutely!  But I think you need to look at your friendly Starbucks barista to find it.
 
2018-04-15 01:54:38 AM  

Maybe you should drive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because f*ck you, we're cops. That's why

Do you think the officers just showed up on a whim?  The article itself says that the employees called the police to get these men out of the store.  The officers showed up and they still refused to leave.  At that point there isn't much else to do.

Now is there racism at play here?  Absolutely!  But I think you need to look at your friendly Starbucks barista to find it.


Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?

/I'm sorry, but I can't excuse the cops behavior
 
2018-04-15 01:59:07 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?


Unless the Starbucks staff at that point said "yeah, ok, they're not trespassing anymore and we're ok with them being here," then yes, we can in fact ignore that.  Because they were still trespassing.
 
2018-04-15 02:01:14 AM  

TomFooolery: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?

Unless the Starbucks staff at that point said "yeah, ok, they're not trespassing anymore and we're ok with them being here," then yes, we can in fact ignore that.  Because they were still trespassing.


You can. I can't.
 
2018-04-15 02:02:21 AM  
I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasonable discussion.

/just ate, not sure I have any room for popcorn
 
2018-04-15 02:05:19 AM  
I hate to say it, but the cops were wise to push this back on Starbucks.  I'm not 100% excusing the cops, but I hope the media starts giving the Starbucks a similar level of 3rd degree.
 
2018-04-15 02:13:05 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: TomFooolery: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?

Unless the Starbucks staff at that point said "yeah, ok, they're not trespassing anymore and we're ok with them being here," then yes, we can in fact ignore that.  Because they were still trespassing.

You can. I can't.


Then vote for representatives who will change the laws, to stipulate that businesses cannot have the police remove people who are not paying customers from their premises after they have been asked to leave but refuse. Again, any fault here is with the Starbucks and not the police.
 
2018-04-15 02:52:32 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe you should drive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because f*ck you, we're cops. That's why

Do you think the officers just showed up on a whim?  The article itself says that the employees called the police to get these men out of the store.  The officers showed up and they still refused to leave.  At that point there isn't much else to do.

Now is there racism at play here?  Absolutely!  But I think you need to look at your friendly Starbucks barista to find it.

Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?

/I'm sorry, but I can't excuse the cops behavior


It's not up to a person they were waiting for to explain it to the officers.  It's up to the folks to leave or the employees to say, "never mind, it's all good."  If neither of those things happen, a police officer has no discretion or authority to tell the employees that they have to let these gentlemen stay in their store.

I'm sure you and I agree that this whole situation is pants-on-head crazy, with a fair amount of racism to boot.  But, again, direct your anger appropriately.
 
2018-04-15 03:15:16 AM  
I think a better way of saying it is this:  If it were two white guys who were meeting their buddy for a drink at Starbucks would the police have been called?  Probably not.  We would never be aware of it.  To me, THAT is the issue.
 
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2018-04-15 03:59:59 AM  
Surprisingly I'm with the chief on this one - the big question isn't with what the cops did, but rather why starbucks felt it necessary to call the cops for people hanging around at starbucks - seriously I've never been asked, let alone thrown out...
 
2018-04-15 04:41:21 AM  

TomFooolery: The police chief is correct.  The business operator said they were asked to leave and did not leave.  At that point, they were trespassing.  The business operator called the police, and they were arrested for trespassing.  The police did what they were supposed to do.  Was it excessive on the part of the Starbucks? Would the police have been called if it was two white guys? Do people go into Starbucks all the time to meet someone, without ordering anything?  Those are entirely different questions.  But unless there's an awful lot left out of this story, the cops are not in any way at fault here.


There's always one...
 
2018-04-15 08:28:06 AM  
You sure it was a Starbucks?

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2018-04-15 08:28:12 AM  

TomFooolery: The police chief is correct.  The business operator said they were asked to leave and did not leave.  At that point, they were trespassing.  The business operator called the police, and they were arrested for trespassing.  The police did what they were supposed to do.  Was it excessive on the part of the Starbucks? Would the police have been called if it was two white guys? Do people go into Starbucks all the time to meet someone, without ordering anything?  Those are entirely different questions.  But unless there's an awful lot left out of this story, the cops are not in any way at fault here.


Cops could have, you know, not escalated a non-escalating event, you know.
 
2018-04-15 08:33:41 AM  
Since when do black people go to Starbucks?
 
2018-04-15 08:36:46 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe you should drive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because f*ck you, we're cops. That's why

Do you think the officers just showed up on a whim?  The article itself says that the employees called the police to get these men out of the store.  The officers showed up and they still refused to leave.  At that point there isn't much else to do.

Now is there racism at play here?  Absolutely!  But I think you need to look at your friendly Starbucks barista to find it.

Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?

/I'm sorry, but I can't excuse the cops behavior


Why are city resources being used to serve as bouncers for a coffeeshop?

Why so many cops, with a prominent display of force?

Yeah, the police chief understands "his place", and can't imagine why two real estate guys, "those people", could not accept their place.

Is there no violent crime in Philadelphia those revenuers could have been attending?
 
2018-04-15 08:37:11 AM  
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Likely instigated this whole thing.
 
2018-04-15 08:38:40 AM  
How does a business say their restroom is for paying customers only? I thought the point of being "open to the public" was that you had to have restroom accommodations open to anyone?
 
2018-04-15 08:38:41 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: TomFooolery: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?

Unless the Starbucks staff at that point said "yeah, ok, they're not trespassing anymore and we're ok with them being here," then yes, we can in fact ignore that.  Because they were still trespassing.

You can. I can't.


That's your problem, not the cops'.

...maybe it's Starbucks' problem. But it's not the cops'.
 
2018-04-15 08:39:05 AM  

TomFooolery: The police chief is correct.  The business operator said they were asked to leave and did not leave.  At that point, they were trespassing.  The business operator called the police, and they were arrested for trespassing.  The police did what they were supposed to do.  Was it excessive on the part of the Starbucks? Would the police have been called if it was two white guys? Do people go into Starbucks all the time to meet someone, without ordering anything? Those are entirely different questions.  But unless there's an awful lot left out of this story, the cops are not in any way at fault here.


You'd be surprised.

While I don't know about using Starbucks, I've waited for weed guys at McDonalds and Taco Bell.  The main difference between me and the guys in the article -- I ordered a damn drink so I wasn't loitering and therefore not giving the establishment a valid reason to ask me to leave.  I'm also white, but I suspect being a paying customer and not a loiterer are why I wasn't kicked out.

I've worked restaurant jobs before.  If some people came in, sat down, and then just hung out without ordering anything, we'd ask them to leave.
 
2018-04-15 08:39:06 AM  
It looks bad on the cops, and they should have done a modicum of investigating.

"Did any Starbucks employee ever approach you and ask why you were here?"

Starbucks really needs to get raked over the coals for shiatty employees being racist.  But Philly PD shouldn't get a pass just because they were "doing their job."

/Also, holding these guys until 1AM was complete and utter bullshiat.
 
2018-04-15 08:39:42 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: TomFooolery: The police chief is correct.  The business operator said they were asked to leave and did not leave.  At that point, they were trespassing.  The business operator called the police, and they were arrested for trespassing.  The police did what they were supposed to do.  Was it excessive on the part of the Starbucks? Would the police have been called if it was two white guys? Do people go into Starbucks all the time to meet someone, without ordering anything?  Those are entirely different questions.  But unless there's an awful lot left out of this story, the cops are not in any way at fault here.

Cops could have, you know, not escalated a non-escalating event, you know.


How did they escalate?  They didn't beat on anyone and didn't pull any weapons.

I'm the first one to call out cops for excessive force.  But sure didn't seem to be any here.

As others have said, the cops don't really have any discretion if the property owner claims trespass and the individuals continue to refuse to leave.  The Starbucks employees are the parties to blame here.
 
2018-04-15 08:40:07 AM  

VerifiedPoster: Why are city resources being used to serve as bouncers for a coffeeshop?


Because as a society we decided it was preferable to landowners handling it personally.
 
2018-04-15 08:41:50 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: TomFooolery: The police chief is correct.  The business operator said they were asked to leave and did not leave.  At that point, they were trespassing.  The business operator called the police, and they were arrested for trespassing.  The police did what they were supposed to do.  Was it excessive on the part of the Starbucks? Would the police have been called if it was two white guys? Do people go into Starbucks all the time to meet someone, without ordering anything?  Those are entirely different questions.  But unless there's an awful lot left out of this story, the cops are not in any way at fault here.

Cops could have, you know, not escalated a non-escalating event, you know.


By letting them stay? If the private business wants them gone and they call the cops, the cops' job is to get them off the property.  They'll ask you nicely a couple of times, but then it's in their protocol to escalate to arrest and detainment if they refuse.  The only entity with any choice in the matter was the Starbucks manager who called the cops about two black dudes who did nothing wrong (I guess he was as shocked as everyone else that there were black dudes in Starbucks...)
 
2018-04-15 08:42:20 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe you should drive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because f*ck you, we're cops. That's why

Do you think the officers just showed up on a whim?  The article itself says that the employees called the police to get these men out of the store.  The officers showed up and they still refused to leave.  At that point there isn't much else to do.

Now is there racism at play here?  Absolutely!  But I think you need to look at your friendly Starbucks barista to find it.

Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?

/I'm sorry, but I can't excuse the cops behavior


Just because they explained it doesn'tean the person operating the store and who has authority to say who is trespassing or not asked the police to remove them.  Unless someone who outranked the manager who continually asked them to leave,  even after guy showed up and explained,  came and said no they can stay,  the police were only doing what the manager asked.

Hopefully this manager gets fired. What a terrible person.
 
2018-04-15 08:42:53 AM  

scotchcrotch: Since when do black people go to Starbucks?


Usually to sling coffee for white folk.
 
2018-04-15 08:44:11 AM  

Maybe you should drive: It's not up to a person they were waiting for to explain it to the officers.  It's up to the folks to leave or the employees to say, "never mind, it's all good."  If neither of those things happen, a police officer has no discretion or authority to tell the employees that they have to let these gentlemen stay in their store.


What is a police officer's job? Is it to identify crime and prevent/stop it?

In this instance, the officers should have taken a statement from the person reporting the crime and determined whether there was any merit in that statement.

Is it a crime worthy of police time to be waiting in a cafe for a friend? Or, heavens to murgatroyd, to use the bathroom in a place that serves the public, while waiting for said friend?

Whoever called the cops should be the one facing trouble from the law for wasting police time.
 
2018-04-15 08:45:17 AM  
Jesus christ. If it was two white guys, the police would've promptly turned around at the explanation. There's no denying that. Anyone defending the cops at this point is in complete denial. Why the hell were handcuffs involved?

This was just a bunch of racists being racist and wasting the city's money.
 
2018-04-15 08:45:34 AM  

IlGreven: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: TomFooolery: The police chief is correct.  The business operator said they were asked to leave and did not leave.  At that point, they were trespassing.  The business operator called the police, and they were arrested for trespassing.  The police did what they were supposed to do.  Was it excessive on the part of the Starbucks? Would the police have been called if it was two white guys? Do people go into Starbucks all the time to meet someone, without ordering anything?  Those are entirely different questions.  But unless there's an awful lot left out of this story, the cops are not in any way at fault here.

Cops could have, you know, not escalated a non-escalating event, you know.

By letting them stay? If the private business wants them gone and they call the cops, the cops' job is to get them off the property.  They'll ask you nicely a couple of times, but then it's in their protocol to escalate to arrest and detainment if they refuse.  The only entity with any choice in the matter was the Starbucks manager who called the cops about two black dudes who did nothing wrong (I guess he was as shocked as everyone else that there were black dudes in Starbucks...)


There is not a scenario I can see where a reasonable person would put handcuffs on these guys. That's just idiotic. The whole situation is idiotic and, yes, the cops did the wrong thing here. Again, can you imagine a white guy in a business suit ever getting cuffs thrown on him? Absolutely not. The cops aren't quite as culpable here as the barista and store manager, but they still acted without discretion or intelligence, but certainly with racism.
 
2018-04-15 08:46:19 AM  
Sunny is an idiot and doesn't understand criminal trespass.

Starbucks although publicly accessible is private property. Especially since they weren't paying customers when an employee asked them to leave and they didn't sorry...misdemeanor. You're told to leave private property and you refuse...that's a criminal act. Imagine if someone did this on your front porch.

They weren't arrested for doing nothing. They we're arrested for being stubborn dumbasses.
 
2018-04-15 08:46:23 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: TomFooolery: The police chief is correct.  The business operator said they were asked to leave and did not leave.  At that point, they were trespassing.  The business operator called the police, and they were arrested for trespassing.  The police did what they were supposed to do.  Was it excessive on the part of the Starbucks? Would the police have been called if it was two white guys? Do people go into Starbucks all the time to meet someone, without ordering anything?  Those are entirely different questions.  But unless there's an awful lot left out of this story, the cops are not in any way at fault here.

Cops could have, you know, not escalated a non-escalating event, you know.


THIS
Cops could have walked in, said something like "Hey, these guys called us, said you were trespassing. Probably be a good idea if you guys just wait outside instead of in here. Otherwise we'll have to arrest you for trespassing, it will be a whole mess."
Which, of course, could be part of what happened and the guys are OBAMA'S PAID SHILLS SET TO TRAP THE POLICE INTO A RACIST INCIDENT SO THEY WEREN'T GOING TO LEAVE ANYWAY!

Holy crap, I just started channeling Alex Jones or something. see you guys later, I need to get a ride to the ER.
 
2018-04-15 08:46:57 AM  

VerifiedPoster: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe you should drive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because f*ck you, we're cops. That's why

Do you think the officers just showed up on a whim?  The article itself says that the employees called the police to get these men out of the store.  The officers showed up and they still refused to leave.  At that point there isn't much else to do.

Now is there racism at play here?  Absolutely!  But I think you need to look at your friendly Starbucks barista to find it.

Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?

/I'm sorry, but I can't excuse the cops behavior

Why are city resources being used to serve as bouncers for a coffeeshop?

Why so many cops, with a prominent display of force?

Yeah, the police chief understands "his place", and can't imagine why two real estate guys, "those people", could not accept their place.

Is there no violent crime in Philadelphia those revenuers could have been attending?


They aren't acting as bouncers.   They are upholding the law.   It's private property.   The same reason they have the right to remove someone from your property is the reason they will remove them from a Starbucks.   If this were public property and the manager asked the police to remove them,  you might have a point.
 
2018-04-15 08:46:59 AM  

dkulprit: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe you should drive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because f*ck you, we're cops. That's why

Do you think the officers just showed up on a whim?  The article itself says that the employees called the police to get these men out of the store.  The officers showed up and they still refused to leave.  At that point there isn't much else to do.

Now is there racism at play here?  Absolutely!  But I think you need to look at your friendly Starbucks barista to find it.

Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?

/I'm sorry, but I can't excuse the cops behavior

Just because they explained it doesn'tean the person operating the store and who has authority to say who is trespassing or not asked the police to remove them.  Unless someone who outranked the manager who continually asked them to leave,  even after guy showed up and explained,  came and said no they can stay,  the police were only doing what the manager asked.

Hopefully this manager gets fired. What a terrible person.


Actually any employee does.
 
2018-04-15 08:47:14 AM  

IlGreven: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: TomFooolery: The police chief is correct.  The business operator said they were asked to leave and did not leave.  At that point, they were trespassing.  The business operator called the police, and they were arrested for trespassing.  The police did what they were supposed to do.  Was it excessive on the part of the Starbucks? Would the police have been called if it was two white guys? Do people go into Starbucks all the time to meet someone, without ordering anything?  Those are entirely different questions.  But unless there's an awful lot left out of this story, the cops are not in any way at fault here.

Cops could have, you know, not escalated a non-escalating event, you know.

By letting them stay? If the private business wants them gone and they call the cops, the cops' job is to get them off the property.  They'll ask you nicely a couple of times, but then it's in their protocol to escalate to arrest and detainment if they refuse.  The only entity with any choice in the matter was the Starbucks manager who called the cops about two black dudes who did nothing wrong (I guess he was as shocked as everyone else that there were black dudes in Starbucks...)


No. That's not how it works. The police won't just shrug and do something when there's no crime happening. Not unless it's black people, apparently. If they were white, the cops would've said something along the lines of "Look lady, they're waiting for a friend then they'll buy something."

But nope.
 
2018-04-15 08:47:54 AM  

mrmopar5287: How does a business say their restroom is for paying customers only? I thought the point of being "open to the public" was that you had to have restroom accommodations open to anyone?


Do they lock their bathrooms? I've gone into a few coffee places to pee, and I don't ask first, I'm going to piss first, if they want to throw me out after then fine.

Starbucks apologized after a cop was told he couldn't use the bathroom, lets see if the same happens with these two gentlemen.
 
2018-04-15 08:48:19 AM  
Subby should look up what the word trespass means. To trespass is to do something illegal.
 
2018-04-15 08:48:38 AM  
Turn off the wifi then they would leave.
 
2018-04-15 08:49:04 AM  

TheVirginMarty: Subby should look up what the word trespass means. To trespass is to do something illegal.


Calling the cops for no reason is also illegal.
 
2018-04-15 08:52:47 AM  

Chevello: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: TomFooolery: The police chief is correct.  The business operator said they were asked to leave and did not leave.  At that point, they were trespassing.  The business operator called the police, and they were arrested for trespassing.  The police did what they were supposed to do.  Was it excessive on the part of the Starbucks? Would the police have been called if it was two white guys? Do people go into Starbucks all the time to meet someone, without ordering anything?  Those are entirely different questions.  But unless there's an awful lot left out of this story, the cops are not in any way at fault here.

Cops could have, you know, not escalated a non-escalating event, you know.

THIS
Cops could have walked in, said something like "Hey, these guys called us, said you were trespassing. Probably be a good idea if you guys just wait outside instead of in here. Otherwise we'll have to arrest you for trespassing, it will be a whole mess."
Which, of course, could be part of what happened and the guys are OBAMA'S PAID SHILLS SET TO TRAP THE POLICE INTO A RACIST INCIDENT SO THEY WEREN'T GOING TO LEAVE ANYWAY!

Holy crap, I just started channeling Alex Jones or something. see you guys later, I need to get a ride to the ER.


The problem with that line of thinking is that you assume that cops are to be used as a warning device.  The warning was asking the men to leave since they weren't paying customers.  After the warnings and them not leaving, the police did their jobs.

I'm usually the anti-cop person here on Fark, but I've experienced this situation from almost every side from consumer being asked to leave to person in restaurant asking person to leave...I've yet to become a cop and be the cop arresting the person in said situations...

Basically, if I go somewhere and just hang out (doesn't matter if I'm waiting for someone, reading a book, staring at a wall and doing nothing else) and that somewhere is a place of business and I then don't order anything or conduct business at a place of business and said business then asks me to leave....I'm in the wrong regardless if I'm not actually being an asshole, thug, disruptive, etc....
 
2018-04-15 08:52:51 AM  
Just buy something, assholes.

Starbucks tolerates shambling bums taking up half the store if they buy a small coffee hourly,
 
2018-04-15 08:52:56 AM  
I think there is inherent racism in most of our country and around the globe.

That being said, the police department only did its job. If any of us are on private property and asked to leave and we fail to do so, there's a good chance the police will be called. The police may then ask us to leave. If we refuse, it is the obligation of the police to remove us. No citizen has the right to be on anyone's private property after being asked to leave. When you've refused, you've broken the law. I have no issues with the actions of the police in this scenario.

There may very possibly be serious issues with the management or employees at this Starbucks. There isn't enough information to say one way or another, but I'm not about to jump on the wagon and state that this was absolutely systemic racism by the police; it's too convenient to point that finger these days. It was/is still happening with the sexual abuse/harassment awareness cause, for example. It is a terrible thing that still goes on to a horrific extent, but don't go after the folks who haven't done anything wrong (like Aziz), it weakens the strength of the important message.
 
2018-04-15 08:53:10 AM  

iron de havilland: Maybe you should drive: It's not up to a person they were waiting for to explain it to the officers.  It's up to the folks to leave or the employees to say, "never mind, it's all good."  If neither of those things happen, a police officer has no discretion or authority to tell the employees that they have to let these gentlemen stay in their store.

What is a police officer's job? Is it to identify crime and prevent/stop it?

In this instance, the officers should have taken a statement from the person reporting the crime and determined whether there was any merit in that statement.

Is it a crime worthy of police time to be waiting in a cafe for a friend? Or, heavens to murgatroyd, to use the bathroom in a place that serves the public, while waiting for said friend?

Whoever called the cops should be the one facing trouble from the law for wasting police time.


The cre was trespassing.   It shouldn't have been,  but that was what the manager insisted.   So technically it was a crime.
 
2018-04-15 08:53:16 AM  
The question nobody is asking is "How long were they in the store before the cops were called?"
 
2018-04-15 08:53:49 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe you should drive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because f*ck you, we're cops. That's why

Do you think the officers just showed up on a whim?  The article itself says that the employees called the police to get these men out of the store.  The officers showed up and they still refused to leave.  At that point there isn't much else to do.

Now is there racism at play here?  Absolutely!  But I think you need to look at your friendly Starbucks barista to find it.

Can we also ignore that the person they were waiting for showed up and explained it to the cops and they still arrested them?

/I'm sorry, but I can't excuse the cops behavior


Ordering something would have fixed that. If they were going to order something there anyway,  why not just drink a coffee while waiting?

They went in and didn't order anything and got asked to leave.
 
2018-04-15 08:53:56 AM  

Alcaste: TheVirginMarty: Subby should look up what the word trespass means. To trespass is to do something illegal.

Calling the cops for no reason is also illegal.


Asking non customers to leave a business when they are taking up space customers could be using is not no reason.

If it was incredibly busy and paying customers had no place to sit I applaud this employee.

Just because Starbucks is publicly accessible doesn't mean it's public property.

The men we're arrested for being stubborn dumbasses not being black.
 
2018-04-15 08:54:11 AM  
Starbucks stores, despite being so numerous that you can't swing a cat without hitting the side of one, are still private property. If the store's owner asks you to leave, you HAVE to leave. You can work out racial motivations at a later time. Arguing with the cops in the store is not one of those times.
 
2018-04-15 08:54:23 AM  

Alcaste: Jesus christ. If it was two white guys, the police would've promptly turned around at the explanation. There's no denying that. Anyone defending the cops at this point is in complete denial. Why the hell were handcuffs involved?

This was just a bunch of racists being racist and wasting the city's money.


If they were white the police shouldn't have been called.   Everyone "defending" the cops points that out.   The racism was on the part of the manager.
 
2018-04-15 08:54:29 AM  
Commissioner Richard Ross said Starbucks employees called 911 to say the men were trespassing. He said officers were told that the men had come in and asked to use the restroom but were denied because they hadn't bought anything, as he said is company policy. He said they then refused to leave. Ross, who is black, said police asked the men to leave three times but they refused, and they were then arrested but were later released after the company elected not to prosecute.

If I were cynical I'd say that maybe these guys were hoping to become the next social media outrage darlings. Now speaking as a cis white male if I were at Starbucks to meet someone I'd have ordered something. If I hadn't ordered something and was asked to leave I'd have just waited outside which was an option.

This isn't racism these guys were assholes so give the white guilt a rest this is a case not worth defending.
 
2018-04-15 08:55:07 AM  

iron de havilland: What is a police officer's job?


Their job is to make arrests only when it is in the public interest to do so.

Legitimate trespassers? Yes, arrest them.

These guys? Nope, not required.
 
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