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2018-03-21 11:01:15 PM  
I want a strong military, I really do. But Christ. Wouldn't true strength come from investing just half of those billions in our children? Imagine if tomorrow every six-year old child in this country could spend snack time with the language teacher of his or her choice, could then choose between "physics time" and "biological time," and then spend a half hour on the climbing wall, followed by reflection-with-crayons time. You could really shape and bend some young brains with some expensive, complex and controversial systems.
 
2018-03-21 11:33:57 PM  
America - holding the gun to everyone's head because we know we are going down and violence is all we have left

All projections show the US at the #2 or #3 spit by 2035, by 2050 it's uncertain if the US will be in the top 5

Those same projections show the BRICS taking 4 of the 5 top spots by 2035. And it's no small coincidence that Russia and China are working together to destroy the US' standing and credibility while poised to supplant the USD with the Yuan

Guns - it's all we have left
 
2018-03-21 11:42:53 PM  
FTFA - "The calls from the American people to address gun violence in our schools and communities have been deafening, and I'm grateful we'll soon get that chance," the Texas Republican said. "Fixing the background check system will help save lives and reduce the likelihood of what occurred in Parkland and Sutherland Springs from happening again."
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2018-03-21 11:49:34 PM  
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/Yes, this is real
 
2018-03-21 11:55:00 PM  
Shamelessly cross-posting from a related thread:

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About sums up how goofy the ratio of defense spending to marginal return is getting.
 
2018-03-22 12:22:28 AM  
Great rundown here.

thread
 
2018-03-22 01:04:26 AM  
Anyone else thinks that A) we are building up to WWIII or B) we have one of the biggest paper tigers on earth for a military?
 
2018-03-22 01:33:33 AM  

cman: Anyone else thinks that A) we are building up to WWIII or B) we have one of the biggest paper tigers on earth for a military?


What's with this "or" business, Kemosabe?
 
2018-03-22 01:49:45 AM  

August11: I want a strong military, I really do. But Christ. Wouldn't true strength come from investing just half of those billions in our children? Imagine if tomorrow every six-year old child in this country could spend snack time with the language teacher of his or her choice, could then choose between "physics time" and "biological time," and then spend a half hour on the climbing wall, followed by reflection-with-crayons time. You could really shape and bend some young brains with some expensive, complex and controversial systems.


Maybe get the lead out of the drinking water, while we're at it.
 
2018-03-22 02:03:33 AM  
It's not about Defense, it's about grifting contractors and the ability to terrify small countries.
 
2018-03-22 02:05:09 AM  
Is America great again yet?
 
2018-03-22 02:05:27 AM  
GOP, great at frivolous bullshiat spending, wasting money.
 
2018-03-22 02:07:11 AM  
"The calls from the American people to address gun violence in our schools and communities have been deafening, and I'm grateful we'll soon get that chance," the Texas Republican said. "Fixing the background check system will help save lives and reduce the likelihood of what occurred in Parkland and Sutherland Springs from happening again."

What's the over/under on this guy coming out during his reelection and saying that this bill "was passed by Demoncrats to allow Satan himself to confiscate your guns."
 
2018-03-22 02:07:12 AM  

foo monkey: August11: I want a strong military, I really do. But Christ. Wouldn't true strength come from investing just half of those billions in our children? Imagine if tomorrow every six-year old child in this country could spend snack time with the language teacher of his or her choice, could then choose between "physics time" and "biological time," and then spend a half hour on the climbing wall, followed by reflection-with-crayons time. You could really shape and bend some young brains with some expensive, complex and controversial systems.

Maybe get the lead out of the drinking water, while we're at it.


And, of course, the fluoride. A foreign substance introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice is the worst form of government tyranny under the guise of "health and safety". By the way, have you seen what's happening to the soil around Des Moines?
 
2018-03-22 02:11:37 AM  
And how much of this money is actually earmarked to take care of our veterans, or our active duty troops?

How much is going to keeping the promises the government made those soldiers, about all the opportunity and benefits of signing those contracts.

How much is going to the VA, to mental wellness, rehabilitation services, or housing and civilian re-integration initiatives?

No. I rather suppose they don't want to talk about that, do they? Alright, let's change the subject a bit.

Tell me again about those planes. You know. The ones that don't fly very well. The ones that are supposed to do everything, but are so far behind schedule and over budget they need billions more in re-modernization?

Tell me again, about the rabbits, George?
 
2018-03-22 02:20:25 AM  
How much you want to bet Putin is deciding what military equipment we purchase...
 
2018-03-22 02:24:43 AM  
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2018-03-22 02:25:15 AM  
I'm making peace with this by watching Trumpers scream about not getting their wall. Their billion isn't enough, they want more stuff. It helps. A little.

/cry
 
2018-03-22 02:26:39 AM  

Duke of Madness Motors: It's not about Defense, it's about grifting contractors and the ability to terrify small countries.


It's also about selling those smaller countries lower grade versions of our weapons systems and all the expensive maintenance that comes with them. Oh, and the ability to turn the more advanced ones off or exploit design weaknesses that have been fixed or are at least know of in our versions. You know, in case they turn on us.
 
2018-03-22 02:27:39 AM  
Americans pay very low levels of taxes. They now get very low levels of governance. Just the basics is what people voted for and so they shall receive.
 
2018-03-22 02:33:27 AM  
Anything in there to pay for a military parade in DC?
 
2018-03-22 02:33:44 AM  
This is a means of funding higher education and other education programs to support our uncompetitive education system.
 
2018-03-22 02:34:40 AM  
Who the f*** are the Democrats supporting this?
 
2018-03-22 02:34:50 AM  
See, if we arm teachers then we can reclassify schools as military institutions and then they might actually get funding.

We spend more on military than the next several countries COMBINE, and more than on any other service in government, but don't you dare call us warmongers.
 
2018-03-22 02:36:53 AM  

manyswagz: I'm making peace with this by watching Trumpers scream about not getting their wall. Their billion isn't enough, they want more stuff. It helps. A little.

/cry


You must have missed their new talking point.
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Ignorance is bliss.
 
2018-03-22 02:43:22 AM  

dailygrinds: manyswagz: I'm making peace with this by watching Trumpers scream about not getting their wall. Their billion isn't enough, they want more stuff. It helps. A little.

/cry

You must have missed their new talking point.
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Ignorance is bliss.


I didn't. They're angry that 1.6 Billion is not enough and they should have (wait for it) Taken out of the military spending to get the wall. Also, all the republicans now suck because they spent anything on democrat ideas.  
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I mean, don't get me wrong, I love it when racists are unhappy with government bills. It just feels a bit hollow currently.
 
2018-03-22 02:44:07 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Duke of Madness Motors: It's not about Defense, it's about grifting contractors and the ability to terrify small countries.

It's also about selling those smaller countries lower grade versions of our weapons systems and all the expensive maintenance that comes with them. Oh, and the ability to turn the more advanced ones off or exploit design weaknesses that have been fixed or are at least know of in our versions. You know, in case they turn on us.


Yeah, it's just snakes all the way down.
 
2018-03-22 02:48:08 AM  

scottydoesntknow: [img.fark.net image 425x417]

/Yes, this is real


There are no words that I know of in English that are adequate to express the sheer depth of my loathing for that...man, for lack of another word.
 
2018-03-22 02:54:42 AM  

manyswagz: dailygrinds: manyswagz: I'm making peace with this by watching Trumpers scream about not getting their wall. Their billion isn't enough, they want more stuff. It helps. A little.

/cry

You must have missed their new talking point.
[img.fark.net image 750x737]
Ignorance is bliss.

I didn't. They're angry that 1.6 Billion is not enough and they should have (wait for it) Taken out of the military spending to get the wall. Also, all the republicans now suck because they spent anything on democrat ideas.  [img.fark.net image 850x457]I mean, don't get me wrong, I love it when racists are unhappy with government bills. It just feels a bit hollow currently.


Oh no!

Not California!
 
2018-03-22 02:57:16 AM  

Summercat: manyswagz: dailygrinds: manyswagz: I'm making peace with this by watching Trumpers scream about not getting their wall. Their billion isn't enough, they want more stuff. It helps. A little.

/cry

You must have missed their new talking point.
[img.fark.net image 750x737]
Ignorance is bliss.

I didn't. They're angry that 1.6 Billion is not enough and they should have (wait for it) Taken out of the military spending to get the wall. Also, all the republicans now suck because they spent anything on democrat ideas.  [img.fark.net image 850x457]I mean, don't get me wrong, I love it when racists are unhappy with government bills. It just feels a bit hollow currently.

Oh no!

Not California!


Ahahaha, right? God forbid! Jesus wouldn't love us if we all become California! Thanks, that cheered me up.
 
2018-03-22 03:00:05 AM  
How else is he going to route money to defense contractors?
 
2018-03-22 03:01:53 AM  

manyswagz: dailygrinds: manyswagz: I'm making peace with this by watching Trumpers scream about not getting their wall. Their billion isn't enough, they want more stuff. It helps. A little.

/cry

You must have missed their new talking point.
[img.fark.net image 750x737]
Ignorance is bliss.

I didn't. They're angry that 1.6 Billion is not enough and they should have (wait for it) Taken out of the military spending to get the wall. Also, all the republicans now suck because they spent anything on democrat ideas.  [img.fark.net image 850x457]I mean, don't get me wrong, I love it when racists are unhappy with government bills. It just feels a bit hollow currently.


I can't be the only one amused that this person is dreading that the rest of the country might become as economically successful as California.
 
2018-03-22 03:07:17 AM  

dailygrinds: foo monkey: August11: I want a strong military, I really do. But Christ. Wouldn't true strength come from investing just half of those billions in our children? Imagine if tomorrow every six-year old child in this country could spend snack time with the language teacher of his or her choice, could then choose between "physics time" and "biological time," and then spend a half hour on the climbing wall, followed by reflection-with-crayons time. You could really shape and bend some young brains with some expensive, complex and controversial systems.

Maybe get the lead out of the drinking water, while we're at it.

And, of course, the fluoride. A foreign substance introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice is the worst form of government tyranny under the guise of "health and safety". By the way, have you seen what's happening to the soil around Des Moines?


I like you Stewart, you're not like the other kids in the trailer park.
 
2018-03-22 03:11:54 AM  

August11: I want a strong military, I really do.


Then you're a fool. You've already bitten the apple, taken the bait.

Why? Why do we need a "strong military"? At least anything approaching the military that the US has right now? There is nothing remotely approaching a credible threat that anyone will invade the US with force. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

There's nothing to suggest that we are good at honestly working overseas. Efficient, yes. Good, no.

The wars that have been fought in recent decades have used out industry to feed them. It's fed certain specific sectors of our economy but has ultimately hurt international business. I submit that we would have done better, in a broad sense, if we hadn't supported war overseas. Further, the places where the wars occurred would absolutely have done better without the wars.

So nope, I don't support what the US considers a "strong military". Not at all.

I support a small, highly skilled, extremely adept military, and excellent benefits for former military.
 
2018-03-22 03:13:24 AM  

The Department of Inadvisably Applied Magic: scottydoesntknow: [img.fark.net image 425x417]

/Yes, this is real

There are no words that I know of in English that are adequate to express the sheer depth of my loathing for that...man, for lack of another word.


He's not a man. He's a homunculus formed from greed, lust, envy, pride, sloth, gluttony, wrath, literal shiat, and Orangina.
 
2018-03-22 03:16:08 AM  
In the next 5-10 years we'll be spending $1Tn on interest payments per year alone.
 
2018-03-22 03:18:32 AM  

wademh: August11: I want a strong military, I really do.

Then you're a fool. You've already bitten the apple, taken the bait.

Why? Why do we need a "strong military"? At least anything approaching the military that the US has right now? There is nothing remotely approaching a credible threat that anyone will invade the US with force. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

There's nothing to suggest that we are good at honestly working overseas. Efficient, yes. Good, no.

The wars that have been fought in recent decades have used out industry to feed them. It's fed certain specific sectors of our economy but has ultimately hurt international business. I submit that we would have done better, in a broad sense, if we hadn't supported war overseas. Further, the places where the wars occurred would absolutely have done better without the wars.

So nope, I don't support what the US considers a "strong military". Not at all.

I support a small, highly skilled, extremely adept military, and excellent benefits for former military.


What he wants is some international arms race for some godawful reason
 
2018-03-22 03:19:20 AM  

Murkanen: manyswagz: dailygrinds: manyswagz: I'm making peace with this by watching Trumpers scream about not getting their wall. Their billion isn't enough, they want more stuff. It helps. A little.

/cry

You must have missed their new talking point.
[img.fark.net image 750x737]
Ignorance is bliss.

I didn't. They're angry that 1.6 Billion is not enough and they should have (wait for it) Taken out of the military spending to get the wall. Also, all the republicans now suck because they spent anything on democrat ideas.  [img.fark.net image 850x457]I mean, don't get me wrong, I love it when racists are unhappy with government bills. It just feels a bit hollow currently.

I can't be the only one amused that this person is dreading that the rest of the country might become as economically successful as California.


They really get tore up about the idea because booga booga mexicans. Remember that article about how Cali had blocks covered in human feces and used needles? They buy it all, and THE ILLEGALS ARE DOIN ET.
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2018-03-22 03:21:46 AM  

wademh: August11: I want a strong military, I really do.

Then you're a fool. You've already bitten the apple, taken the bait.

Why? Why do we need a "strong military"? At least anything approaching the military that the US has right now? There is nothing remotely approaching a credible threat that anyone will invade the US with force. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

There's nothing to suggest that we are good at honestly working overseas. Efficient, yes. Good, no.

The wars that have been fought in recent decades have used out industry to feed them. It's fed certain specific sectors of our economy but has ultimately hurt international business. I submit that we would have done better, in a broad sense, if we hadn't supported war overseas. Further, the places where the wars occurred would absolutely have done better without the wars.

So nope, I don't support what the US considers a "strong military". Not at all.

I support a small, highly skilled, extremely adept military, and excellent benefits for former military.


Unfortunately the US military today is a make-work program and keeps a large percentage of the population inordinately employed.  It is one of the props that holds the US economy up.  No one wants to go kicking that leg.

Without the US military a lot of things domestically just fall apart.  So some people turn a blind eye to more killing, war, and shiatty world reputation.  The rest of the people are just ignorant or mislead.
 
2018-03-22 03:23:42 AM  

wademh: August11: I want a strong military, I really do.

Then you're a fool. You've already bitten the apple, taken the bait.

Why? Why do we need a "strong military"? At least anything approaching the military that the US has right now? There is nothing remotely approaching a credible threat that anyone will invade the US with force. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

There's nothing to suggest that we are good at honestly working overseas. Efficient, yes. Good, no.

The wars that have been fought in recent decades have used out industry to feed them. It's fed certain specific sectors of our economy but has ultimately hurt international business. I submit that we would have done better, in a broad sense, if we hadn't supported war overseas. Further, the places where the wars occurred would absolutely have done better without the wars.

So nope, I don't support what the US considers a "strong military". Not at all.

I support a small, highly skilled, extremely adept military, and excellent benefits for former military.


1)A strong military requires continuos upkeep.  This, more than anything else, is what destroyed the Soviet Union as a world power.  Being the lead dog requires a rediculous amount of maintenance.

2)A strong military is a fixed target.  This is orders of magnitude moreso when you do not prosecute was against your immediate rivals.  Much of China's capability exists to counter the US threat rather than to bully and pillage smaller nations.  In this China and Russia have advantage to the point of initiative--for every dollar we spend on maintenance, they're spending 5 on innovation.
 
2018-03-22 03:41:37 AM  

The Department of Inadvisably Applied Magic: scottydoesntknow: [img.fark.net image 425x417]

/Yes, this is real

There are no words that I know of in English that are adequate to express the sheer depth of my loathing for that...man, for lack of another word.


"Thing" works well, imo.
 
2018-03-22 03:45:09 AM  

Virulency: wademh: August11: I want a strong military, I really do.

Then you're a fool. You've already bitten the apple, taken the bait.

Why? Why do we need a "strong military"? At least anything approaching the military that the US has right now? There is nothing remotely approaching a credible threat that anyone will invade the US with force. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

There's nothing to suggest that we are good at honestly working overseas. Efficient, yes. Good, no.

The wars that have been fought in recent decades have used out industry to feed them. It's fed certain specific sectors of our economy but has ultimately hurt international business. I submit that we would have done better, in a broad sense, if we hadn't supported war overseas. Further, the places where the wars occurred would absolutely have done better without the wars.

So nope, I don't support what the US considers a "strong military". Not at all.

I support a small, highly skilled, extremely adept military, and excellent benefits for former military.

What he wants is some international arms race for some godawful reason


With whom? Russia, China and Israel already own the US through the republican party.
 
2018-03-22 03:55:13 AM  

Murkanen: manyswagz: dailygrinds: manyswagz: I'm making peace with this by watching Trumpers scream about not getting their wall. Their billion isn't enough, they want more stuff. It helps. A little.

/cry

You must have missed their new talking point.
[img.fark.net image 750x737]
Ignorance is bliss.

I didn't. They're angry that 1.6 Billion is not enough and they should have (wait for it) Taken out of the military spending to get the wall. Also, all the republicans now suck because they spent anything on democrat ideas.  [img.fark.net image 850x457]I mean, don't get me wrong, I love it when racists are unhappy with government bills. It just feels a bit hollow currently.

I can't be the only one amused that this person is dreading that the rest of the country might become as economically successful as California.


lol these are people that actually believe its the "worst" state in the nation.

/we will show you da way
//become one of us
///one of us... one of us...
 
2018-03-22 03:58:15 AM  

August11: I want a strong military, I really do. But Christ. Wouldn't true strength come from investing just half of those billions in our children? Imagine if tomorrow every six-year old child in this country could spend snack time with the language teacher of his or her choice, could then choose between "physics time" and "biological time," and then spend a half hour on the climbing wall, followed by reflection-with-crayons time. You could really shape and bend some young brains with some expensive, complex and controversial systems.


Educated children don't vote Republican! Educated children will ask questions, think critically and will not jump over every stick the government holds in front of them.
 
2018-03-22 04:02:48 AM  

Summercat: Oh no!

Not California!


You think it's funny. This is what the average California city looks like today.

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And there are taco trucks on every corner. TACO TRUCKS! Is that the nightmare you want for the rest of the country? No sir, this will not stand!
 
2018-03-22 04:22:46 AM  
I just realized with all the shiat that's been happening over the past year that I completely forgot about Puerto Rico. Let me guess, still no money to rebuild there in this budget?
 
2018-03-22 04:27:34 AM  

Pichu0102: I just realized with all the shiat that's been happening over the past year that I completely forgot about Puerto Rico. Let me guess, still no money to rebuild there in this budget?


At the hotel I work at, we've had some large groups of electrical linemen from Ameren come through, heading down to Puerto Rico to work on their electrical system, then back up a few weeks later to be relieved by another large team.  But I can't tell how much they're accomplishing.
 
2018-03-22 04:29:58 AM  
Everyone knows fighter is the weakest of the team.

You need brains to use the seriously powerful techniques.
 
2018-03-22 04:40:31 AM  

doglover: Everyone knows fighter is the weakest of the team.

You need brains to use the seriously powerful techniques.


He likes swords.

/Welcome to Corneria
 
2018-03-22 04:43:26 AM  

hissatsu: Summercat: Oh no!

Not California!

You think it's funny. This is what the average California city looks like today.

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And there are taco trucks on every corner. TACO TRUCKS! Is that the nightmare you want for the rest of the country? No sir, this will not stand!


Yes, our long national nightmare of food with actual flavor will finally be over.
 
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