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2018-03-20 12:20:37 PM  
You can have my beef when you pry it from my dead hands after my major coronary incident.
 
2018-03-20 12:23:37 PM  
Ya could have hovered on the continuous flatulence - or were there open sources of flame nearby?
 
2018-03-20 12:28:21 PM  
Yep. We're going to have to scale back on the meat industry.

We've known this for years now. We are oversaturated to the point of where it's causing major environmental damage.
 
2018-03-20 12:30:21 PM  

whidbey: Yep. We're going to have to scale back on the meat industry.

We've known this for years now. We are oversaturated to the point of where it's causing major environmental damage.


I don't give a flying monkey turd about environmental damage.  I'm not changing my diet.  You want to help the environment give up your gas-guzzling cars first.
 
2018-03-20 12:31:48 PM  

jwa007: whidbey: Yep. We're going to have to scale back on the meat industry.

We've known this for years now. We are oversaturated to the point of where it's causing major environmental damage.

I don't give a flying monkey turd about environmental damage.  I'm not changing my diet.  You want to help the environment give up your gas-guzzling cars first.


You wouldn't have to change your diet, and I'll thank you to stop with the paranoid comparisons.
 
2018-03-20 12:38:30 PM  
We could still eat meat but use a non-farmed substitute instead.

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2018-03-20 12:38:49 PM  
So, Eat Mor Chikin, basically.
 
2018-03-20 12:42:05 PM  

jwa007: You can have my beef when you pry it from my dead hands after my major coronary incident.


a couple weeks ago there was a "eating bacon will kill you" article and my first thought was "you gotta die of something.  I'd rather die of bacon than live without bacon".
 
2018-03-20 01:36:35 PM  
In the 19th century, largely vegan India was rousted by a few thousand beef eating Englishmen. QED.
 
2018-03-20 01:39:32 PM  

Ambivalence: I'd rather die of bacon than live without bacon".



That should be your new Family Crest.
 
2018-03-20 01:45:24 PM  
Well, if it ever comes to that then I say we identify the willing Vegans first, and then take half their food away.   No sense in  becoming passive about it.   We'll keep what advantage we can, and they can sacrifice even more for the planet.   Can't give up dairy.   Can I keep some PETA types on hand for milking?   That's gotta' be more humane than switching to long pig.
 
2018-03-20 01:47:07 PM  
Being a vegan is easy when you are in your 20s and 30s. Once you hit 50, it becomes much more difficult to maintain your health as your protein requirements rise.
 
2018-03-20 01:52:31 PM  

natazha: Being a vegan is easy when you are in your 20s and 30s. Once you hit 50, it becomes much more difficult to maintain your health as your protein requirements rise.


eat moar chikin suk moar cok
 
2018-03-20 01:57:43 PM  

Combustion: Ambivalence: I'd rather die of bacon than live without bacon".
That should be your new Family Crest.


in Latin, for said crest:
Vellem potius a die lardum, quam vivere sine Domini lardum

/ loving this idea btw
 
2018-03-20 02:00:28 PM  

whidbey: Yep. We're going to have to scale back on the meat industry.

We've known this for years now. We are oversaturated to the point of where it's causing major environmental damage.


Get a load of this guy! He thinks WE are going to take collective action against meat eating.

Bwahahahaaaaa!!!
 
2018-03-20 02:00:42 PM  
Cutting back might be a good idea, but it's a lousy target when compared to cryptocurrency and mass indoor grow op emissions, container ships full of cheap plastic crap, and just coal in general.
 
2018-03-20 02:01:19 PM  
We had a similar thread a week or so ago and I said the same thing.  It's fairly evident now that poor diet and lack of exercise are at the root of the US's health problems.  People won't change their diets to save their own lives.  You think they're going to do it to save the planet?
 
2018-03-20 02:07:46 PM  
I'd happily skip to vegan if the protein $cost wasn't effectively the same as having every cow inseminated by transfer from the lips of Queen Elizabeth II herself.

I'd be perfectly happy with Batchelor Chow x 12 per week, along with whatever I wish on Sundays. If it were cheaper.
 
2018-03-20 02:09:47 PM  

sno man: Combustion: Ambivalence: I'd rather die of bacon than live without bacon".
That should be your new Family Crest.

in Latin, for said crest:
Vellem potius a die lardum, quam vivere sine Domini lardum

/ loving this idea btw


The word "Lardum" is particularly awesome.
 
2018-03-20 02:09:57 PM  
Who's going to come after the meat-eaters, low-carbon-footprint vegans? Stick-thin wraiths on bicycles aren't much of a threat.
 
2018-03-20 02:12:09 PM  
So it's not just "beef" now that's killing the planet but all meat now.  Probably have any beef maybe once per week on average and 95% of the time its ground beef as a burger or meatloaf.  We eat an idiotic amount of chicken... mostly sick of chicken but its cheap protein and you can make it taste like anything you want with a varied enough spice cabinet.

Would be willing to eat tofu whatever meat simulation you want but its gotta be damn close before I'm going to go down that road.... and cost parity would be nice.
 
2018-03-20 02:13:12 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: We had a similar thread a week or so ago and I said the same thing.  It's fairly evident now that poor diet and lack of exercise are at the root of the US's health problems.  People won't change their diets to save their own lives.  You think they're going to do it to save the planet?


Sometimes guilt works better than shame.
 
2018-03-20 02:25:13 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: We had a similar thread a week or so ago and I said the same thing.  It's fairly evident now that poor diet and lack of exercise are at the root of the US's health problems.  People won't change their diets to save their own lives.  You think they're going to do it to save the planet?


You're not wrong.

On a related note:  I wonder if a more plant-based diet is cheaper per calorie than your typical "American" diet.  For example, and I based these numbers off of what I got from the Intertubez and what I pay at the grocery store:

1 lb boneless chicken breast has 748 kCal and costs about $4 per lb.
1 lb asparagus has 91 kCal and costs about $3 per lb (seasonal fluctuation has it as low as $2 sometimes).

That means chicken costs about a half cent per kCal per lb, while asparagus costs about 3 cents per kCal per lb.  About *six times* as much in cost per calorie as chicken.  So, to get the same caloric intake, you'd have to eat 6x more asparagus...which isn't a bad thing, really, because we don't eat anywhere enough veggies; but for those on a budget, it's tempting to go for the cheaper source of calories.  And then, of course, you have the $1 burgers, helping to contribute to this greenhouse gas problem.

That, of course, is just taking into account just 2 food items.  Steak is like $6-$8 per lb, so it becomes less economical per calorie.  And if you get vegetables on sale (or even frozen), that makes veggies MORE economical.  Like I said, I wonder if a more comprehensive study has been done.
 
2018-03-20 02:26:02 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: Well, if it ever comes to that then I say we identify the willing Vegans first, and then take half their food away.   No sense in  becoming passive about it.   We'll keep what advantage we can, and they can sacrifice even more for the planet.   Can't give up dairy.   Can I keep some PETA types on hand for milking?   That's gotta' be more humane than switching to long pig.

eat them for meat

Fixed it

Good thing they self-identify!
 
2018-03-20 02:27:13 PM  

jwa007: whidbey: Yep. We're going to have to scale back on the meat industry.

We've known this for years now. We are oversaturated to the point of where it's causing major environmental damage.

I don't give a flying monkey turd about environmental damage.  I'm not changing my diet.  You want to help the environment give up your gas-guzzling cars first.


Haha, it's funny to be a selfish ass and ruin the planet for everyone else!
 
2018-03-20 02:27:23 PM  

brizzle365: Uncontrolled_Jibe: Well, if it ever comes to that then I say we identify the willing Vegans first, and then take half their food away.   No sense in  becoming passive about it.   We'll keep what advantage we can, and they can sacrifice even more for the planet.   Can't give up dairy.   Can I keep some PETA types on hand for milking?   That's gotta' be more humane than switching to long pig. eat them for meat

Fixed it

Good thing they self-identify!


All that soy and textured protein gives them a gamey flavor.

I'll pass, thanks.
 
2018-03-20 02:32:07 PM  

xanadian: On a related note:  I wonder if a more plant-based diet is cheaper per calorie than your typical "American" diet.  For example, and I based these numbers off of what I got from the Intertubez and what I pay at the grocery store:

1 lb boneless chicken breast has 748 kCal and costs about $4 per lb.
1 lb asparagus has 91 kCal and costs about $3 per lb (seasonal fluctuation has it as low as $2 sometimes).


Out of curiosity, out of all the things in the world, why did you pick asparagus?  I'm not vegan, but green lentils and cauliflower are less expensive (and delicious even in a dish that might include chicken), and those are still not even getting down to the cheapest options.
 
2018-03-20 02:32:27 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: We had a similar thread a week or so ago and I said the same thing.  It's fairly evident now that poor diet and lack of exercise are at the root of the US's health problems.  People won't change their diets to save their own lives.  You think they're going to do it to save the planet?


Planet is going to be just fine.  I don't worry about the planet at all.
 
2018-03-20 02:33:49 PM  

xanadian: On a related note:  I wonder if a more plant-based diet is cheaper per calorie than your typical "American" diet.  For example, and I based these numbers off of what I got from the Intertubez and what I pay at the grocery store:

1 lb boneless chicken breast has 748 kCal and costs about $4 per lb.
1 lb asparagus has 91 kCal and costs about $3 per lb (seasonal fluctuation has it as low as $2 sometimes).


P.S. The grocery store by me has asparagus at 77 cents per lb right now, so I will be eating the hell out of that for dinner with home-made pesto gnocchi.
 
2018-03-20 02:34:14 PM  

jwa007: Wave Of Anal Fury: We had a similar thread a week or so ago and I said the same thing.  It's fairly evident now that poor diet and lack of exercise are at the root of the US's health problems.  People won't change their diets to save their own lives.  You think they're going to do it to save the planet?

Planet is going to be just fine.  I don't worry about the planet at all.


Whether you do personally or not, the science says otherwise.
 
2018-03-20 02:36:42 PM  

dv-ous: So, Eat Mor Chikin Vegans, basically.


It's a modest proposal.
 
2018-03-20 02:36:44 PM  

cousin-merle: jwa007: whidbey: Yep. We're going to have to scale back on the meat industry.

We've known this for years now. We are oversaturated to the point of where it's causing major environmental damage.

I don't give a flying monkey turd about environmental damage.  I'm not changing my diet.  You want to help the environment give up your gas-guzzling cars first.

Haha, it's funny to be a selfish ass and ruin the planet for everyone else!


I don't know about funny but it's how I feel.  I have no large love for humanity, nor do I wish to see it propagate itself beyond this tiny biome.  I have no wish to see humanity continue.
 
2018-03-20 02:40:49 PM  
I bet high fiber vegan farts offset cow farts.
 
2018-03-20 02:42:13 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: I'd happily skip to vegan if the protein $cost wasn't effectively the same as having every cow inseminated by transfer from the lips of Queen Elizabeth II herself.

I'd be perfectly happy with Batchelor Chow x 12 per week, along with whatever I wish on Sundays. If it were cheaper.


Rice and beans is a complete protein that's very cheap
 
2018-03-20 02:47:50 PM  

whidbey: Yep. We're going to have to scale back on the meat industry.

We've known this for years now. We are oversaturated to the point of where it's causing major environmental damage.


Right. This will happen right after the NRA supports reasonable (hell, any) gun legislation.
 
2018-03-20 02:49:46 PM  
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2018-03-20 03:05:41 PM  
FTFA
"On any given day, 20 percent of Americans account for nearly half of U.S. diet-related greenhouse gas emissions, and high levels of beef consumption are largely responsible, according to a new study from researchers at the University of Michigan and Tulane University."


Obviously they've never gone into a bathroom after a raw vegan.
 
2018-03-20 03:06:47 PM  

Ambivalence: sno man: Combustion: Ambivalence: I'd rather die of bacon than live without bacon".
That should be your new Family Crest.

in Latin, for said crest:
Vellem potius a die lardum, quam vivere sine Domini lardum

/ loving this idea btw

The word "Lardum" is particularly awesome.


Here's an appropriate heraldic pig:
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2018-03-20 03:07:06 PM  

jwa007: Wave Of Anal Fury: We had a similar thread a week or so ago and I said the same thing.  It's fairly evident now that poor diet and lack of exercise are at the root of the US's health problems.  People won't change their diets to save their own lives.  You think they're going to do it to save the planet?

Planet is going to be just fine.  I don't worry about the planet at all.


The sad thing is that you're actually 100% correct.  The planet will be fine in the long term.

Let's assume the absolute worst-case scenario from the perspective of humans, that not only are we in the middle of the planet's sixth mass extinction, but that it will also take humanity down with it.  Wars, rising seas, declining biodiversity, disease -- they all combine into a perfect storm that takes out humanity entirely, along with a significant number of currently existing species.

A million years after the last human dies, the planet will be fine.  The remaining species (plant and animal) will have evolved, diversified, and repopulated the planet, in full or in part.  After all, if the planet can survive its worst known extinction, the Permian in which ~95% of all species were wiped out, it will almost certainly survive our demise.
 
2018-03-20 03:09:50 PM  

cousin-merle: xanadian: On a related note:  I wonder if a more plant-based diet is cheaper per calorie than your typical "American" diet.  For example, and I based these numbers off of what I got from the Intertubez and what I pay at the grocery store:

1 lb boneless chicken breast has 748 kCal and costs about $4 per lb.
1 lb asparagus has 91 kCal and costs about $3 per lb (seasonal fluctuation has it as low as $2 sometimes).

Out of curiosity, out of all the things in the world, why did you pick asparagus?  I'm not vegan, but green lentils and cauliflower are less expensive (and delicious even in a dish that might include chicken), and those are still not even getting down to the cheapest options.


Yeah... no.
 
2018-03-20 03:15:33 PM  

bigdanc: PartTimeBuddha: I'd happily skip to vegan if the protein $cost wasn't effectively the same as having every cow inseminated by transfer from the lips of Queen Elizabeth II herself.

I'd be perfectly happy with Batchelor Chow x 12 per week, along with whatever I wish on Sundays. If it were cheaper.

Rice and beans is a complete protein that's very cheap


Nobody buys mushrooms at the grocery by me, so they are always clearance tagged.  I have no idea why.

Anyway, take the mushrooms and slice them with 2mm blade in food processor or whatever.  Add to rice in rice cooker with a little peanut oil and some chili paste, even better if you can get a jar of tofu fermented chili paste.  If using canned beans later, rinse into the rice cooker.

Take a bunch of spinach or mustard greens, wilt in pan, let cool, chop, then set aside.  Mince a few garlic cloves, a half inch of ginger, and a green chili (seeded).  Chop more coarsely an onion and a carrot or two.  Heat veg oil in same pan, sprinkle in cumin and black mustard seed until pop, add minced stuff, add some salt, add chopped stuff, add spices you might like (coriander, turmeric, paprika), add beans & some water to get them a little saucy, cook, put greens back in, season to taste, sprinkle with lemon juice or cilantro.

There, now you have multiple days of cheap food that tastes good and doesn't involve cow farts.  If you want dairy tang, stir in some yogurt with the beans.  Serve with chickpea flour "pancakes".  Seriously, they are crazy easy to make and incredibly cheap.  Reserve some of the onion and cilantro from above for the pancakes and mince in another green chili and spices you might like (turmeric, cayenne).
 
2018-03-20 03:16:21 PM  

Fizpez: So it's not just "beef" now that's killing the planet but all meat now.  Probably have any beef maybe once per week on average and 95% of the time its ground beef as a burger or meatloaf.  We eat an idiotic amount of chicken... mostly sick of chicken but its cheap protein and you can make it taste like anything you want with a varied enough spice cabinet.

Would be willing to eat tofu whatever meat simulation you want but its gotta be damn close before I'm going to go down that road.... and cost parity would be nice.


In the same boat.  The rare occasions I get steak I treat it like a holy event.  I won't give that up.
 
2018-03-20 03:17:53 PM  

jwa007: You can have my beef when you pry it from my dead hands


...works abbreviated, too!

Yeah, low-hanging fruit, etc...
 
2018-03-20 03:18:46 PM  
Saying you will forcibly change twenty percent of the people's diets, without taking their lifestyle or cultural preferences into account, seems a tad naive and overbearing.

I'm envious of the average Japanese diet, personally. Lot of fresh food made cheap and easily accessible is more likely to win people over. It reduces health issues and lowers obesity. That said, I do realize that this isn't a thing everyone will cater to. Not everyone wants fish and vegetable dominant plates. I don't like them either.  The distribution is a bit different there. The culture is very different. How they shop is different.
So I'm envious of the benefits but in no rush to adopt it since it doesn't work for my tastes or habits.
Forcing the vegan diet on people would face a similar challenge as it's both a cultural and logistical choice that won't fit many communities. Using climate change as the excuse isn't helping that argument since you still haven't laid out how to change the culture or make people want this diet.
They'll just say what I say every time a "we should eat bugs!" article comes along.

/"Hahahaha. How about no!!".
 
2018-03-20 03:19:23 PM  

cousin-merle: Add to rice in rice cooker


Can't you find a less water-intensive crop?
 
2018-03-20 03:23:47 PM  

way south: I'm envious of the average Japanese diet, personally. Lot of fresh food made cheap and easily accessible is more likely to win people over.


Japan has many things.

Inexpensive food is not one of them.
 
2018-03-20 03:41:58 PM  

This text is now purple: way south: I'm envious of the average Japanese diet, personally. Lot of fresh food made cheap and easily accessible is more likely to win people over.

Japan has many things.

Inexpensive food is not one of them.


really? because a lot of sites seem to  say that out of metro areas you're looking at about 9.39 US  a meal on the upper end.  That seems reasonable for premade.
 
2018-03-20 03:45:10 PM  
The real solution is to force everybody to have a yard that resembles a jungle. No neatly trimmed grass. No gardens full of beauty bark with a couple of flowering shrubs. No concrete sidewalks. Convert every square foot that isn't a building or driving surface into a co2 absorber.
 
2018-03-20 03:48:10 PM  

Noah_Tall: The real solution is to force everybody to have a yard that resembles a jungle. No neatly trimmed grass. No gardens full of beauty bark with a couple of flowering shrubs. No concrete sidewalks. Convert every square foot that isn't a building or driving surface into a co2 absorber.


TAKE ME DOWN TO THE PARADISE CITY...

wait
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE BABY
 
2018-03-20 03:50:16 PM  
Well that's one way to empty out the animal shelters.
/I'll see my way out
 
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