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2018-03-20 07:51:47 AM  
The next one should have a director with a fresh, unique visual style, like Zach Snyder.
 
2018-03-20 07:55:21 AM  
So... Instead of making millions and millions and millions, it's only going to make millions and millions?
 
2018-03-20 07:58:13 AM  
A lot doubtless has to do with promotion. I can count on one hand the amount of commercials I've seen for it. Of course BvS being a steaming pile didn't help.
 
2018-03-20 07:58:53 AM  
I didn't see it.
 
2018-03-20 08:05:00 AM  

BalugaJoe: I didn't see it.


Neither did I. I see most all comic book movies (premiere night for every Marvel movie since Winter Soldier, plus Jurassic World, plus all three Star Wars movies), and had hoped it would be good after Wonder Woman.   It looked so disjointed in the one preview I saw I gave a pass.
 
2018-03-20 08:05:17 AM  
It wasn't bad.  Had a few moments.  But damn Afleck mailed it in.
 
2018-03-20 08:06:27 AM  
Should have had more Ant Man.
 
2018-03-20 08:10:40 AM  
They wanted their Avengers, but made the Earth X Avengers.
 
2018-03-20 08:41:14 AM  
It obviously wasn't grimdark enough.

They need to go grimmer, darker.
 
2018-03-20 08:41:34 AM  

Chris Ween: It wasn't bad.  Had a few moments.  But damn Afleck mailed it in.


People should know by now that if you want Affleck to put his heart into it, Matt Damon has to be in the movie too.
 
2018-03-20 08:47:16 AM  
Only Uwe Bolle can save DCEU now.
 
2018-03-20 08:48:32 AM  
I haven't seen this or The Last Jedi. I've seen Black Panther three times and am considering a fourth this weekend. I would have punched you in the mouth if you'd suggested this course of action ten years ago.

/Marvel made Guardians of the Galaxy work
//DC couldn't make Justice League work
///that's ridiculous
 
2018-03-20 08:54:30 AM  

adamgreeney: They wanted their Avengers, but made the Earth X Avengers.


Earth X has more color depth than the DCEU.
 
2018-03-20 08:57:47 AM  
My kids loved the Justice League cartoons and Young Justice but have never shown any interest in the movie.

Personally, surfer bro Aquaman killed any interest for me. If your going to go with the King of Atlantis look, stick with King of Atlantis persona.
 
2018-03-20 08:59:11 AM  

Sword and Shield: BalugaJoe: I didn't see it.

Neither did I. I see most all comic book movies (premiere night for every Marvel movie since Winter Soldier, plus Jurassic World, plus all three Star Wars movies), and had hoped it would be good after Wonder Woman.   It looked so disjointed in the one preview I saw I gave a pass.


I passed on it as well.  I didn't care for "Man of Steel," BvS and "Suicide Squad" were awful by almost all accounts, and the trailers didn't do anything to inspire confidence.  Given that track record, middling reviews weren't going to get me into the theater.
 
2018-03-20 08:59:44 AM  

djZorbof: It obviously wasn't grimdark enough.

They need to go grimmer, darker.


Actually, I just watched it a few days ago and it looked like they artificially lightened some of the scenes. Batman really needs to be in the dark or he looks like an asshole.

I liked Wonder Woman a lot but even she couldn't save this film. Part of the problem was that everyone was so serious. It needed a Tony Stark or Jessica Jones to remind the audience that they know this whole superhero thing is absurd and not be so fervent about everything. And they spent way too much time reviving Superman. They handled that bullshiat better in Search for Spock. I already forgot who the main villain was, some CGI creature who wanted to destroy the world or re-organize the world or some farking thing. Oh yeah, his name was Steppenwolf. See, if Iron Man was in the film he would have played "Born to be Wild" while they fought him.

/because there was this band called....
//....nevermind
 
2018-03-20 09:00:39 AM  
Lower than Suicide Squad?

Look, hate on JL all you want, but it was farking cinematic genius compared to the steaming pile of trash juice and ground-up highlighters that was SS.

// didn't think JL was that bad, honestly - sure it's not The Avengers, but that's a high bar
// BvS would be made a lot better by moving the "Bruce in Crisis" part to Man of Steel, getting rid of the Worst Opening Narration in Recorded History ("...and what falls, is fallen" should be the name of a How Not to Suck at Writing for Film guidebook), and maybe moving more of the "Bruce dehumanizes the Alien" subtext up to just text
// makes the "Martha" thing a lot less stupid (but still pretty stupid) when you realize it's not supposed to be about her name, but about "the Alien has a mom?!"
 
2018-03-20 09:01:22 AM  
I bought the movie digitally when it became available.  It's alright, I might even watch it a second time, one of these days.
 
2018-03-20 09:03:59 AM  

blackminded: I haven't seen this or The Last Jedi. I've seen Black Panther three times and am considering a fourth this weekend. I would have punched you in the mouth if you'd suggested this course of action ten years ago.

/Marvel made Guardians of the Galaxy work
//DC couldn't make Justice League work
///that's ridiculous


The DC movies will never work until they actually set up something like Marvel Studios, which they will
never do.  There are too many masters to serve.

Overall, the most successful of all the DC properties has been Batman, and that is at the heart of why
everything has to be grimark.  The bean counters only see the success of Batman, not that the grimdark
mode is integral to the character.  That is why every.single.DC.character is angst ridden and lacking in
a sense of humour.

They also have a deep seeded shame of the 'comic book' origins of their heroes.
 
2018-03-20 09:04:15 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Personally, surfer bro Aquaman killed any interest for me. If your going to go with the King of Atlantis look, stick with King of Atlantis persona


Oh yeah, I forgot that. WTF was that? Some studio suit must have said, "Ok, Aquaman is a sea creature so he's probably a surfer. What do surfers talk like?".
 
2018-03-20 09:04:57 AM  
Meh,  9-11 was a long time ago, most of us are tired of "The War on Whatever", and the "Hero" narrative is wearing thin.

The success of movies like Deadpool and Black Panther indicates we're open to edgier topics and exploring our flaws as a society.
 
2018-03-20 09:06:47 AM  

Mugato: djZorbof: It obviously wasn't grimdark enough.

They need to go grimmer, darker.

Actually, I just watched it a few days ago and it looked like they artificially lightened some of the scenes. Batman really needs to be in the dark or he looks like an asshole.

I liked Wonder Woman a lot but even she couldn't save this film. Part of the problem was that everyone was so serious. It needed a Tony Stark or Jessica Jones to remind the audience that they know this whole superhero thing is absurd and not be so fervent about everything. And they spent way too much time reviving Superman. They handled that bullshiat better in Search for Spock. I already forgot who the main villain was, some CGI creature who wanted to destroy the world or re-organize the world or some farking thing. Oh yeah, his name was Steppenwolf. See, if Iron Man was in the film he would have played "Born to be Wild" while they fought him.

/because there was this band called....
//....nevermind


I like to dream, yes yes, right between the war machine.
 
2018-03-20 09:07:10 AM  
I'm in the 'liked Justice League but felt it could have been better' camp.
 
2018-03-20 09:07:23 AM  
They need to do a Wonder Woman vs Harley Quinn movie.

They could sub contract it to Brazzers.
 
2018-03-20 09:10:18 AM  

blackminded: I haven't seen this or The Last Jedi. I've seen Black Panther three times and am considering a fourth this weekend. I would have punched you in the mouth if you'd suggested this course of action ten years ago.

/Marvel made Guardians of the Galaxy work
//DC couldn't make Justice League work
///that's ridiculous


That really is the most preposterous thing.

farking GUARDIANS. Marvel 5th stringers.
 
2018-03-20 09:13:17 AM  
And here I thought the formula of "Make it like the last mega-popular Marvel movie but different" was a recipe for success.
 
2018-03-20 09:14:43 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: blackminded: I haven't seen this or The Last Jedi. I've seen Black Panther three times and am considering a fourth this weekend. I would have punched you in the mouth if you'd suggested this course of action ten years ago.

/Marvel made Guardians of the Galaxy work
//DC couldn't make Justice League work
///that's ridiculous

The DC movies will never work until they actually set up something like Marvel Studios, which they will
never do.  There are too many masters to serve.

Overall, the most successful of all the DC properties has been Batman, and that is at the heart of why
everything has to be grimark.  The bean counters only see the success of Batman, not that the grimdark
mode is integral to the character.  That is why every.single.DC.character is angst ridden and lacking in
a sense of humour.

They also have a deep seeded shame of the 'comic book' origins of their heroes.


I don't see it that way at all. I just think WB execs stick their damn noses into everything micro-managing the directors and they have shiat writers for their projects. I hope one day someone with enough money comes along and buys out the movie rights to the DC properties and hands it off to some creative people.  Also I think they should be set in the past. The characters and costumes are from a different era and updating them does them no good service. WW worked as a period piece. The rest could too.
 
2018-03-20 09:15:26 AM  
I didn't think it was that bad.  The final battle was pretty well done.

And to the Marvel fanbois carping about a CGI villain I have some bad news.  Ultron wasn't actually James Spader in a Ultron suit.


/ Also Godzilla wasn't a big lizard
// Those weren't real dinosaurs in Jurassic Park
/// The Millenium Falcon is real, though.
 
2018-03-20 09:15:45 AM  
I was rather surprised my wife didn't want to go to JL, as she actually stayed through BvS just to see WW's part (I had walked out).
 
2018-03-20 09:19:50 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Lower than Suicide Squad?

Look, hate on JL all you want, but it was farking cinematic genius compared to the steaming pile of trash juice and ground-up highlighters that was SS.


"Suicide Squad" had the advantage of coming out way back when people still held a glimmer of hope for DC movies.  "Justice League" was the better movie, but people had been burned too many times before.
 
2018-03-20 09:21:58 AM  
as far as Marvel goes I enjoyed Thor Ragnarok more than Black Panther. It was an okay film but not as good as the hype. Not imo.
 
2018-03-20 09:24:23 AM  

Polish Hussar: Dr Dreidel: Lower than Suicide Squad?

Look, hate on JL all you want, but it was farking cinematic genius compared to the steaming pile of trash juice and ground-up highlighters that was SS.

"Suicide Squad" had the advantage of coming out way back when people still held a glimmer of hope for DC movies.  "Justice League" was the better movie, but people had been burned too many times before.


I don't get the hate for SS. I thought it was okay. Not all that crazy about Leto's Joker but I didn't have a problem with the film. It needed some better humor lines in it. The dialog writing was again the weak link.
 
2018-03-20 09:26:34 AM  

John the Magnificent: And to the Marvel fanbois carping about a CGI villain I have some bad news.  Ultron wasn't actually James Spader in a Ultron suit.


He's widely mocked as the worst MCU villain, too. Seriously, moving lips as a robot?

He was worse than "blink and you'll forget them" villains like Ronan and whatever dark elf thing Eccleston got wasted on.

/Thankfully Thanos looks good.
 
2018-03-20 09:29:24 AM  

Hobodeluxe: as far as Marvel goes I enjoyed Thor Ragnarok more than Black Panther. It was an okay film but not as good as the hype. Not imo.


I loved them both, but strangely I think I liked BLACK PANTHER more precisely because while I always liked
the Black Panther comics I read as a young 'un, I was always much more a fan of Thor, so I had fewer
expectations going in.

There are some who have decried the comedic touches in THOR: RAGNAROK, and while the original
comics weren't quite a overtly comedic, the extra dashes of comedy help make it more palatable to a
wider audience.  If that makes it shade more toward the GotG mode, I have no problem with that.
 
2018-03-20 09:29:27 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: So... Instead of making millions and millions and millions, it's only going to make millions and millions?


Ignoring the "Hollywood Accounting", Justice League is most likely in the red.

Studios usually take in about 50-55% of domestic gross, and about 40% of international (can go much less once expenses are added in, something like 15% net).

JL made $229M in the USA, so about $115M to the studio
JL made $428M internationally, so about $171M to the studio.

Production budget was estimated to be $300M and another $50-$100M in promotional/advertising.

So they took in about $286M and spent about $350-$400M.
 
2018-03-20 09:30:57 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: John the Magnificent: And to the Marvel fanbois carping about a CGI villain I have some bad news.  Ultron wasn't actually James Spader in a Ultron suit.

He's widely mocked as the worst MCU villain, too. Seriously, moving lips as a robot?

He was worse than "blink and you'll forget them" villains like Ronan and whatever dark elf thing Eccleston got wasted on.

/Thankfully Thanos looks good.


Ultron is an AI, he's suppost to keep coming back.  Creating and destroying him in the same movie wasn't a good move.

But then no one ever dies in the comic books, yet the movies have mostly been more permanent.
 
2018-03-20 09:33:13 AM  

ceejayoz: Chris Ween: It wasn't bad.  Had a few moments.  But damn Afleck mailed it in.

People should know by now that if you want Affleck to put his heart into it, Matt Damon has to be in the movie too.


Whaddya talkin' about?  Affleck was da bomb in "Phantoms."

/yo
 
2018-03-20 09:34:55 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Polish Hussar: Dr Dreidel: Lower than Suicide Squad?

Look, hate on JL all you want, but it was farking cinematic genius compared to the steaming pile of trash juice and ground-up highlighters that was SS.

"Suicide Squad" had the advantage of coming out way back when people still held a glimmer of hope for DC movies.  "Justice League" was the better movie, but people had been burned too many times before.

I don't get the hate for SS. I thought it was okay. Not all that crazy about Leto's Joker but I didn't have a problem with the film. It needed some better humor lines in it. The dialog writing was again the weak link.


The plot was terrible, the whole thing looks like it was shot under blackout curtains, the characters were ridiculous (Boomerang Guy should have been a walking lampshade) and sloppily introduced* ("I'm The Expositioner, and that's Katana; She cuts people up and puts their souls into her sword.") and the "tension" with and between Junmoon and Mr America was laughable (no, seriously - that guy's an idiot who, if he were any worse at his job, would be President of the United States). Also Flamer's incredibly lazy story arc (and I say this as a Jay Hernandez fan, too).

The only part of that movie that was any good was some of Will Smith's lines, and even he looks so put-upon to carry the film that I just feel bad for him.

* also, let's spend a bunch of time with Tomahawk, then he unceremoniously dies for a stupid reason, and then we replace him with SoulSword (but still no one cares about the 7th member of this team who gets 4 lines). So it was maybe a waste all around.
 
2018-03-20 09:35:28 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Hobodeluxe: as far as Marvel goes I enjoyed Thor Ragnarok more than Black Panther. It was an okay film but not as good as the hype. Not imo.

I loved them both, but strangely I think I liked BLACK PANTHER more precisely because while I always liked
the Black Panther comics I read as a young 'un, I was always much more a fan of Thor, so I had fewer
expectations going in.

There are some who have decried the comedic touches in THOR: RAGNAROK, and while the original
comics weren't quite a overtly comedic, the extra dashes of comedy help make it more palatable to a
wider audience.  If that makes it shade more toward the GotG mode, I have no problem with that.


Ragnarok was successful because of its humor. I can only think of a couple times where either of Thor's previous movies actually made me laugh (his initial 'fish out of water' moments upon arriving on Earth and trying to hang Mjolnir). In fact, I really don't remember anything from The Dark World other than the aether.

But in Ragnarok, you could tell they were having a blast doing it and that translated into the audience having a blast also.
 
2018-03-20 09:46:42 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Lower than Suicide Squad?

Look, hate on JL all you want, but it was farking cinematic genius compared to the steaming pile of trash juice and ground-up highlighters that was SS.

// didn't think JL was that bad, honestly - sure it's not The Avengers, but that's a high bar
// BvS would be made a lot better by moving the "Bruce in Crisis" part to Man of Steel, getting rid of the Worst Opening Narration in Recorded History ("...and what falls, is fallen" should be the name of a How Not to Suck at Writing for Film guidebook), and maybe moving more of the "Bruce dehumanizes the Alien" subtext up to just text
// makes the "Martha" thing a lot less stupid (but still pretty stupid) when you realize it's not supposed to be about her name, but about "the Alien has a mom?!"


I'd argue you can directly attribute JL's subpar performance to Suicide Squad and BvS. My kids were raised on the JL/JLU cartoons so that's where their bar was set. We were there opening weekend for Man of Steel, which was okay. Opening weekend again for BvS which disappointed greatly, we waited a couple of weeks for SS and didn't like anything about it. When JL came out they had no interest at all. It's the second best movie in the DCEU in my opinion (after Wonder Woman) but WB had pissed too many people off in the process of getting there.
 
2018-03-20 09:49:38 AM  
Poor story + grimdark = FAIL. Dump Snyder and find somebody better, DC.
 
2018-03-20 09:51:36 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Hobodeluxe: Polish Hussar: Dr Dreidel: Lower than Suicide Squad?

Look, hate on JL all you want, but it was farking cinematic genius compared to the steaming pile of trash juice and ground-up highlighters that was SS.

"Suicide Squad" had the advantage of coming out way back when people still held a glimmer of hope for DC movies.  "Justice League" was the better movie, but people had been burned too many times before.

I don't get the hate for SS. I thought it was okay. Not all that crazy about Leto's Joker but I didn't have a problem with the film. It needed some better humor lines in it. The dialog writing was again the weak link.

The plot was terrible, the whole thing looks like it was shot under blackout curtains, the characters were ridiculous (Boomerang Guy should have been a walking lampshade) and sloppily introduced* ("I'm The Expositioner, and that's Katana; She cuts people up and puts their souls into her sword.") and the "tension" with and between Junmoon and Mr America was laughable (no, seriously - that guy's an idiot who, if he were any worse at his job, would be President of the United States). Also Flamer's incredibly lazy story arc (and I say this as a Jay Hernandez fan, too).

The only part of that movie that was any good was some of Will Smith's lines, and even he looks so put-upon to carry the film that I just feel bad for him.

* also, let's spend a bunch of time with Tomahawk, then he unceremoniously dies for a stupid reason, and then we replace him with SoulSword (but still no one cares about the 7th member of this team who gets 4 lines). So it was maybe a waste all around.


And arguably the biggest issue with that POS was the editing

The Art of Editing and Suicide Squad
Youtube mDclQowcE9I
 
2018-03-20 09:51:53 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Polish Hussar: Dr Dreidel: Lower than Suicide Squad?

Look, hate on JL all you want, but it was farking cinematic genius compared to the steaming pile of trash juice and ground-up highlighters that was SS.

"Suicide Squad" had the advantage of coming out way back when people still held a glimmer of hope for DC movies.  "Justice League" was the better movie, but people had been burned too many times before.

I don't get the hate for SS. I thought it was okay. Not all that crazy about Leto's Joker but I didn't have a problem with the film. It needed some better humor lines in it. The dialog writing was again the weak link.


Movies are an incredibly subjective thing.  Each one has it's own issues, they're dealbreakers for some and barely noticeable to others.

I think this gentleman has some interesting thoughts on "Suicide Squad," especially the editing,  which he describes as "shockingly awful:"

The Art of Editing and Suicide Squad
Youtube mDclQowcE9I

If nothing else I think it's a really interesting talk about filmmaking and editing in particular.
 
2018-03-20 09:54:57 AM  

MightyPez: And arguably the biggest issue with that POS was the editing

[YouTube video: The Art of Editing and Suicide Squad]


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2018-03-20 09:55:45 AM  

John the Magnificent: And to the Marvel fanbois carping about a CGI villain I have some bad news.  Ultron wasn't actually James Spader in a Ultron suit.


/ Also Godzilla wasn't a big lizard
// Those weren't real dinosaurs in Jurassic Park
/// The Millenium Falcon is real, though.


The CGI bad guy at the end is always the worst part of any Marvel movie as well.

/and some of the dinosaurs in JP were practical FX
 
2018-03-20 09:57:39 AM  

Alphax: Incorrigible Astronaut: John the Magnificent: And to the Marvel fanbois carping about a CGI villain I have some bad news.  Ultron wasn't actually James Spader in a Ultron suit.

He's widely mocked as the worst MCU villain, too. Seriously, moving lips as a robot?

He was worse than "blink and you'll forget them" villains like Ronan and whatever dark elf thing Eccleston got wasted on.

/Thankfully Thanos looks good.

Ultron is an AI, he's suppost to keep coming back.  Creating and destroying him in the same movie wasn't a good move.

But then no one ever dies in the comic books, yet the movies have mostly been more permanent.


The reason for this, I think, is that the time & expense of doing a 2+ hour movie requires them to treat
them as single entities rather than as discrete entries in an ongoing story that plays out over many
issues.  As such, they have to have villains that are one-and-done.

Marvel has managed to pull off the balancing maneuver of making discrete stories that told an
overall story, but the closest they've gotten to actual serialized story movies were AGE OF ULTRON
and CIVIL WAR, but those aren't serialized as much as they are two separate but connected stories, but
even then they connect to other movies that came before (specifically IRON MAN 2).

I am glad they are doing smaller scale movies like ANT-MAN or DOCTOR STRANGE, but I do hope that
the Marvel TV division and the Movie divisions can someday set their bureaucratic feuding aside and
have somewhat more explicit connections between the TV sub universe and the movies the way things
were in the early seasons of AGENTS OF SHIELD.
 
2018-03-20 09:57:57 AM  
There was a Justice League movie?
 
2018-03-20 10:05:09 AM  

Gleeman: There was a Justice League movie?


It was available for rent this weekend. I watched YouTube videos instead.
 
2018-03-20 10:09:22 AM  

John the Magnificent: I didn't think it was that bad.  The final battle was pretty well done.

And to the Marvel fanbois carping about a CGI villain I have some bad news.  Ultron wasn't actually James Spader in a Ultron suit.


/ Also Godzilla wasn't a big lizard
// Those weren't real dinosaurs in Jurassic Park
/// The Millenium Falcon is real, though.


That's because James Spader is Ultron in a James Spader suit.
 
2018-03-20 10:09:53 AM  

That Reilly Monster: I'd argue you can directly attribute JL's subpar performance to Suicide Squad and BvS.


Oh, I absolutely agree, but I'd think that was the case for the box office - SS and BvS dragged down expectations so that, like me, most people were/are waiting for the home release to see it.

That WBDC films are generally a drag (WW notwithstanding) is hurting the overall performance, and they may not get to cap Phase 2 (if they even think of things that way).

I think that's also part of the MCU magic - we've known Thanos was coming for 6 years (since Avengers), and the story hasn't been directly in service to that development since Guardians 1. What's Phase 2 of the DCCU?

// IIRC, it's just teasing a Green Lantern Corps film
// not quite "Infinity Wars", but they might still get their chance to show us "Trash Juice and Ground-up Highlighters 2: INNNNN SPAAAAAAAAAAACE"
 
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