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2018-03-19 01:51:01 AM  
seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting.

I think this idea is dumb for a number of reasons, but this sounds kinda like they're saying "Well yeah, we COULD protect our students, we just don't want to"
 
2018-03-19 01:54:50 AM  

fusillade762: seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting.

I think this idea is dumb for a number of reasons, but this sounds kinda like they're saying "Well yeah, we COULD protect our students, we just don't want to"


It could also easily provide the means for the next mass shooting.  Putting a bunch of guns into schools is a bad idea all around.  Sure, there may be regulations on how they have to be locked away during the school day, and the majority of teachers may follow those regulations, at least at first, but give it a few months or a year and you know there's going to be a loaded handgun left in an unlocked desk drawer that a student is going to get ahold of and use it to shoot someone or many someones.
 
2018-03-19 02:03:12 AM  

fusillade762: seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting.

I think this idea is dumb for a number of reasons, but this sounds kinda like they're saying "Well yeah, we COULD protect our students, we just don't want to"


I like guns. I oppose most of the proposed laws that crop up like shiat mushrooms in the wake of these attacks because they're stupid. But slow your roll, son.

Putting guns in rooms full of bored teenagers is a recipe for disaster. Kids that age can't hardly have PENCILS without stabbing themselves and one another by accident.

It's one thing to have a couple guns on the school ground in locked boxes or something, and maybe the occasional uniformed officer comes into a classroom with his or her service weapon, but the risk of a school shooting is so low and the risk of misuse of classroom objects so high and common... it boggles the mind.

Guns in classrooms as a rule would be like sticking your hands in an autoclave after using the toilet.
 
2018-03-19 02:14:38 AM  

doglover: fusillade762: seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting.

I think this idea is dumb for a number of reasons, but this sounds kinda like they're saying "Well yeah, we COULD protect our students, we just don't want to"

I like guns. I oppose most of the proposed laws that crop up like shiat mushrooms in the wake of these attacks because they're stupid. But slow your roll, son.

Putting guns in rooms full of bored teenagers is a recipe for disaster. Kids that age can't hardly have PENCILS without stabbing themselves and one another by accident.

It's one thing to have a couple guns on the school ground in locked boxes or something, and maybe the occasional uniformed officer comes into a classroom with his or her service weapon, but the risk of a school shooting is so low and the risk of misuse of classroom objects so high and common... it boggles the mind.

Guns in classrooms as a rule would be like sticking your hands in an autoclave after using the toilet.


I generally agree. However there are currently many areas that allow for teachers to carry concealed and it hasn't been problematic. The issues you see are generally
accidental discharges during "safe" handling demonstrations and the recent guy who had some sort of breakdown and illegally brought his weapon into the school without a license to do so. I think intentionally arming teachers and spending tax dollars to do so is a horrible waste of money and time but I also don't believe in disarming teachers who would otherwise be lawfully permitted to carry concealed. In light of the special hell that teachers often work in I wouldn't mind there being extra qualifications for doing so.
 
2018-03-19 02:29:30 AM  

dailygrinds: there are currently many areas that allow for teachers to carry concealed and it hasn't been problematic


Self selecting sample.

I grew up in deer country. I'm about 90% some of my teachers and classmates had rifles, including the oogie boogie AR ones, in their cars routinely law be damned. People who can carry weapons safely will and already do. You'll never know.

Forcing everyone to be armed means you're gonna see a bunch of people who think guns are scary murder machines forced to face their fear day in day out, and they'll be careless with it and then their fears will come to fruition when some kid just steals it and they wind up in hot water from the missing gun or worse with their gun that was stolen later used in a crime.

There's no part of arming everyone that's any smarter than disarming everyone.
 
2018-03-19 02:38:42 AM  
Most high school kids already know some of the metric system and basic conversion to non-metric measurements, such as that there are 3.5 grams to a 8-ball.
 
2018-03-19 02:40:30 AM  

doglover: fusillade762: seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting.

I think this idea is dumb for a number of reasons, but this sounds kinda like they're saying "Well yeah, we COULD protect our students, we just don't want to"

I like guns. I oppose most of the proposed laws that crop up like shiat mushrooms in the wake of these attacks because they're stupid. But slow your roll, son.

Putting guns in rooms full of bored teenagers is a recipe for disaster. Kids that age can't hardly have PENCILS without stabbing themselves and one another by accident.

It's one thing to have a couple guns on the school ground in locked boxes or something, and maybe the occasional uniformed officer comes into a classroom with his or her service weapon, but the risk of a school shooting is so low and the risk of misuse of classroom objects so high and common... it boggles the mind.

Guns in classrooms as a rule would be like sticking your hands in an autoclave after using the toilet.


You must have missed the first part of my sentence.
 
2018-03-19 02:44:37 AM  

Cyberluddite: Most high school kids already know some of the metric system and basic conversion to non-metric measurements, such as that there are 3.5 grams to a 8-ball.


I did an 8 ball once. I didn't like it. All got was constipated for a week.

Oh, and kicked out of the pool club.
 
2018-03-19 02:46:49 AM  

doglover: I like guns. I oppose most of the proposed laws that crop up like shiat mushrooms in the wake of these attacks because they're stupid. But slow your roll, son.


What I found frustrating was the media dancing up to, and missing, what could have been a cogent argument. The attack at the school was so lethal not because of the gun used, but the bullets' FPS.
 
2018-03-19 03:02:48 AM  

simplicimus: doglover: I like guns. I oppose most of the proposed laws that crop up like shiat mushrooms in the wake of these attacks because they're stupid. But slow your roll, son.

What I found frustrating was the media dancing up to, and missing, what could have been a cogent argument. The attack at the school was so lethal not because of the gun used, but the bullets' FPS.


Please explain.
 
2018-03-19 03:09:43 AM  

dailygrinds: simplicimus: doglover: I like guns. I oppose most of the proposed laws that crop up like shiat mushrooms in the wake of these attacks because they're stupid. But slow your roll, son.

What I found frustrating was the media dancing up to, and missing, what could have been a cogent argument. The attack at the school was so lethal not because of the gun used, but the bullets' FPS.

Please explain.


Sure. The injuries at the school were so severe because of the high speed (Feet Per Second) of the bullets used, so greater kinetic force and more damage done.
 
2018-03-19 03:36:33 AM  

simplicimus: dailygrinds: simplicimus: doglover: I like guns. I oppose most of the proposed laws that crop up like shiat mushrooms in the wake of these attacks because they're stupid. But slow your roll, son.

What I found frustrating was the media dancing up to, and missing, what could have been a cogent argument. The attack at the school was so lethal not because of the gun used, but the bullets' FPS.

Please explain.

Sure. The injuries at the school were so severe because of the high speed (Feet Per Second) of the bullets used, so greater kinetic force and more damage done.


So, given the choice, you'd prefer to be shot by a .223 as opposed to a .50 Beowulf or a .458 SOCOM which have about half the muzzle velocity? Personally, I'd take the lil' buddy round any day of the week. I think you need to find another talking point.
 
2018-03-19 04:01:52 AM  

dailygrinds: simplicimus: dailygrinds: simplicimus: doglover: I like guns. I oppose most of the proposed laws that crop up like shiat mushrooms in the wake of these attacks because they're stupid. But slow your roll, son.

What I found frustrating was the media dancing up to, and missing, what could have been a cogent argument. The attack at the school was so lethal not because of the gun used, but the bullets' FPS.

Please explain.

Sure. The injuries at the school were so severe because of the high speed (Feet Per Second) of the bullets used, so greater kinetic force and more damage done.

So, given the choice, you'd prefer to be shot by a .223 as opposed to a .50 Beowulf or a .458 SOCOM which have about half the muzzle velocity? Personally, I'd take the lil' buddy round any day of the week. I think you need to find another talking point.


Oops. Drinking and posting. Let's try again.
So, given the choice, you'd prefer to be shot by a .50 Beowulf or a .458 SOCOM as opposed to a .223?
 
2018-03-19 04:06:10 AM  

fusillade762: seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting.

I think this idea is dumb for a number of reasons, but this sounds kinda like they're saying "Well yeah, we COULD protect our students, we just don't want to"


Seems more like acknowledging that yes, a well-trained and combat experienced armed individual could make a difference, while being self-aware that they are not qualified to be that individual.
 
2018-03-19 04:15:39 AM  

Sgt Otter: fusillade762: seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting.

I think this idea is dumb for a number of reasons, but this sounds kinda like they're saying "Well yeah, we COULD protect our students, we just don't want to"

Seems more like acknowledging that yes, a well-trained and combat experienced armed individual could make a difference, while being self-aware that they are not qualified to be that individual.


It sounds like someone needs to hire a new editor. You can read that nonsense however you wish.
"seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting."
So is it "be effective" or "be ineffective"? It's Schrodinger's gun thread talking point.
 
2018-03-19 04:20:16 AM  
Maybe let's not argue the muzzle feet or withers meters or fetlock acres or whatever the fark arcane bullshiat you're talking about.

You don't even want to be hit by a super soaker full of cold water, really.

The problem is not the guns or bullets available, and the solution is not arming teachers.

This school shooting BS is a new problem. Maybe look for something that's changed in that time instead of things that have been there the whole time.
 
2018-03-19 04:20:23 AM  

dailygrinds: simplicimus: dailygrinds: simplicimus: doglover: I like guns. I oppose most of the proposed laws that crop up like shiat mushrooms in the wake of these attacks because they're stupid. But slow your roll, son.

What I found frustrating was the media dancing up to, and missing, what could have been a cogent argument. The attack at the school was so lethal not because of the gun used, but the bullets' FPS.

Please explain.

Sure. The injuries at the school were so severe because of the high speed (Feet Per Second) of the bullets used, so greater kinetic force and more damage done.

So, given the choice, you'd prefer to be shot by a .223 as opposed to a .50 Beowulf or a .458 SOCOM which have about half the muzzle velocity? Personally, I'd take the lil' buddy round any day of the week. I think you need to find another talking point.


Depends on the distance, doesn't it? Seriously, the doctors in Florida were talking about how organs were liquefied by the rounds. That seems to me to be a function of the kinetic energy involved.
 
2018-03-19 04:56:50 AM  

simplicimus: dailygrinds: simplicimus: dailygrinds: simplicimus: doglover: I like guns. I oppose most of the proposed laws that crop up like shiat mushrooms in the wake of these attacks because they're stupid. But slow your roll, son.

What I found frustrating was the media dancing up to, and missing, what could have been a cogent argument. The attack at the school was so lethal not because of the gun used, but the bullets' FPS.

Please explain.

Sure. The injuries at the school were so severe because of the high speed (Feet Per Second) of the bullets used, so greater kinetic force and more damage done.

So, given the choice, you'd prefer to be shot by a .223 as opposed to a .50 Beowulf or a .458 SOCOM which have about half the muzzle velocity? Personally, I'd take the lil' buddy round any day of the week. I think you need to find another talking point.

Depends on the distance, doesn't it? Seriously, the doctors in Florida were talking about how organs were liquefied by the rounds. That seems to me to be a function of the kinetic energy involved.


Not in any practical way. Even at the distance of the Vegas shooting (about .5 km) the larger rounds will still do more damage than than the .233 at significantly less velocity. Accuracy will most likely suffer but not appreciably. You are essentially correct about kinetic energy. The muzzle velocity of the bullet is a larger determinant of the amount of energy delivered on target than the mass of the round. But from a practical sense, the larger round is more likely to deliver all of it's energy to the target and cause a larger wound cavity than the smaller, higher velocity round which is more likely to pass through. This is why .223 is prohibited as a larger game hunting round in many jurisdictions but the more massive rounds are not.

/fyi, I'm trying to contain my argument to rounds that the AR-15 is chambered in
 
2018-03-19 05:08:25 AM  

doglover: Cyberluddite: Most high school kids already know some of the metric system and basic conversion to non-metric measurements, such as that there are 3.5 grams to a 8-ball.

I did an 8 ball once. I didn't like it. All got was constipated for a week.

Oh, and kicked out of the pool club.


You're not supposed to use it as a suppository.
 
2018-03-19 05:09:21 AM  
Teachers are people too. They are prone to stress and mental health issues like any other group. I have no doubt that if they were armed there would be teacher-on-student violence at some point.
 
2018-03-19 05:09:54 AM  
For christs sake...    We have spent literally YEARS trying to train teachers to stop whipping it out first time they run into a kid with home problems.

Now we want to reverse all that hard work?
 
2018-03-19 05:11:03 AM  
Maybe the problem isn't the guns, but the children.
We need to make sure our guns are safe at all costs.
Children are just crotchfruit and snowflakes.
 
2018-03-19 05:13:34 AM  

thisispete: there would be teacher-on-student violence at some point.


You really think a teacher would be violent with a student?
Thank goodness that's never happened.

/Guy in high school used to throw books at us, and one time a desk
//My grandma was a teacher and used to grab punks by the hair and knock them around
 
2018-03-19 05:16:22 AM  
This is the stupidest idea in the world.
Anyway, I thought there was no money for the schools 'cause liberals spent it all on spending.
Why are we even talking about this seriously?
Have we become a nation of chuckleheads?
 
2018-03-19 05:22:59 AM  

thisispete: Teachers are people too. They are prone to stress and mental health issues like any other group. I have no doubt that if they were armed there would be teacher-on-student violence at some point.


Teachers are currently armed and have been for a very long time in many districts. I'm not aware of a single instance of a teacher with a CCW permit abusing it in that way.

/and I've been subjected to teacher on student violence twice
 
2018-03-19 05:31:16 AM  

dailygrinds: thisispete: Teachers are people too. They are prone to stress and mental health issues like any other group. I have no doubt that if they were armed there would be teacher-on-student violence at some point.

Teachers are currently armed and have been for a very long time in many districts. I'm not aware of a single instance of a teacher with a CCW permit abusing it in that way.

/and I've been subjected to teacher on student violence twice


People of every profession are armed and have been for a very long time in many places.
What is the point of your argument?
 
2018-03-19 05:48:52 AM  
No teachers should be forced to be armed. That's just dumb.

But if teachers want to voluntarily attend the same training police officers receive, become licensed, and pay for their own weapon similar to Federal Flightdeck Officers (airline pilots who are allowed to be armed), then I'm okay with that.

Look, either school shootings are a major problem necessitating that we put more armed protection in schools, or else it's statistically insignificant and the risk of more guns in schools is not justified. You can't have it both ways.
 
2018-03-19 05:56:43 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: fusillade762: seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting.

I think this idea is dumb for a number of reasons, but this sounds kinda like they're saying "Well yeah, we COULD protect our students, we just don't want to"

It could also easily provide the means for the next mass shooting.  Putting a bunch of guns into schools is a bad idea all around.  Sure, there may be regulations on how they have to be locked away during the school day, and the majority of teachers may follow those regulations, at least at first, but give it a few months or a year and you know there's going to be a loaded handgun left in an unlocked desk drawer that a student is going to get ahold of and use it to shoot someone or many someones.


That's why we need to arm all of the children too. The BAD kids will always find guns. The only thing that stops a BAD kid with a gun is a GOOD kid with a gun. And not letting kids carry guns into schools only disarms the GOOD kids. And that goes well beyond gun restrictions... what about kids with IEDs, silencers, etc? Those BAD kids will have that knowledge regardless of legality, but thanks to our nanny snowflake state of welfare queen beta commie cucks, our kids won't have access to that lifesaving info. You probably don't even support teaching the Anarchist Cookbook before middle school. Why do you not care about GOOD kids?
 
2018-03-19 05:58:12 AM  

doglover: Putting guns in rooms full of bored teenagers is a recipe for disaster. Kids that age can't hardly have PENCILS without stabbing themselves and one another by accident.


Israeli children seem to make it through their days without taking out the teach and then murdering their classmates. Are you insinuating that there are people whom are more superior than others or something?
 
2018-03-19 06:01:52 AM  
Thinking back to my elementary, high school and college teachers.. I can remember maybe 30 of them, all told..

I can think of exactly THREE I'd consider trusting with a firearm based on their age, competence, physical condition and mental stability - and that's without me knowing anything about their personal lives or what'd come up in a background check.
 
2018-03-19 06:02:33 AM  

Begoggle: dailygrinds: thisispete: Teachers are people too. They are prone to stress and mental health issues like any other group. I have no doubt that if they were armed there would be teacher-on-student violence at some point.

Teachers are currently armed and have been for a very long time in many districts. I'm not aware of a single instance of a teacher with a CCW permit abusing it in that way.

/and I've been subjected to teacher on student violence twice

People of every profession are armed and have been for a very long time in many places.
What is the point of your argument?


Okay, for the slow children in class, I'll go over this again.

One farker said to the other, "If teachers had guns, they'd get mad and shoot their students".

Another farker replied, "but teachers have guns and they don't get mad and shoot their students."

And then another farker chimed in with "deeerrrrrp?"

And that, children, is why we have special classes, so that differently abled farkers can still participate in grown up discussions without being embarrassed by bullies who don't under stand their special contributions.
 
2018-03-19 06:04:01 AM  

fusillade762: seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting.

I think this idea is dumb for a number of reasons, but this sounds kinda like they're saying "Well yeah, we COULD protect our students, we just don't want to"


Guessing by the grammar of that quote, I'd imagine it was supposed to say *ineffective. Looking at the article on Gallup didn't clarify it for me, but he rest of the numbers would hint at "be ineffective"
 
2018-03-19 06:05:51 AM  

fusillade762: seven in 10 think it would in effective in stopping the next mass shooting.

I think this idea is dumb for a number of reasons, but this sounds kinda like they're saying "Well yeah, we COULD protect our students, we just don't want to"


Not their farking job.
 
2018-03-19 06:08:20 AM  

dailygrinds: Begoggle: dailygrinds: thisispete: Teachers are people too. They are prone to stress and mental health issues like any other group. I have no doubt that if they were armed there would be teacher-on-student violence at some point.

Teachers are currently armed and have been for a very long time in many districts. I'm not aware of a single instance of a teacher with a CCW permit abusing it in that way.

/and I've been subjected to teacher on student violence twice

People of every profession are armed and have been for a very long time in many places.
What is the point of your argument?

Okay, for the slow children in class, I'll go over this again.

One farker said to the other, "If teachers had guns, they'd get mad and shoot their students".

Another farker replied, "but teachers have guns and they don't get mad and shoot their students."

And then another farker chimed in with "deeerrrrrp?"

And that, children, is why we have special classes, so that differently abled farkers can still participate in grown up discussions without being embarrassed by bullies who don't under stand their special contributions.


But not all teachers are armed.
Some are, often against the rules.
But that number is very small.
If they were all armed all the time, the likelihood of gun violence would increase a lot.
The problem is the premise of your second statement: "but teachers have guns", where you leave out a lot of crucial information, before going into an assholish sarcastic rant.
 
2018-03-19 06:10:54 AM  

havocmike: Thinking back to my elementary, high school and college teachers.. I can remember maybe 30 of them, all told..

I can think of exactly THREE I'd consider trusting with a firearm based on their age, competence, physical condition and mental stability - and that's without me knowing anything about their personal lives or what'd come up in a background check.


You're numbers lign up pretty well with the article.  According to you, 1 in 10 of you're teachers would  be trustworthy in this position. According to TFA 1.8 in 10 teachers would be willing to train to qualify. Attrition due to abilities and background or whatever would likely knock that number in half, leaving about 10 percent of teachers carrying. Sounds about right to me, too.
 
2018-03-19 06:15:15 AM  
...you farks...lol, 
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2018-03-19 06:15:22 AM  

havocmike: Thinking back to my elementary, high school and college teachers.. I can remember maybe 30 of them, all told..

I can think of exactly THREE I'd consider trusting with a firearm based on their age, competence, physical condition and mental stability - and that's without me knowing anything about their personal lives or what'd come up in a background check.


That's more than I can come up with. Teaching and security work are about as diametrically opposed as two professions can be, and expecting many people to be good at both would indicate that one was extremely stupid, and knows nothing about the real world, or being human.
A really stupid idea - and one borne of desperation.
The NRA fanatics and 2nd amendment absolutists know they're losing this debate - they are throwing anything at the wall they think might stick.
 
2018-03-19 06:26:53 AM  
Teachers are only good at protecting their pensions.

 
2018-03-19 06:26:58 AM  

dj495ufj3: doglover: Cyberluddite: Most high school kids already know some of the metric system and basic conversion to non-metric measurements, such as that there are 3.5 grams to a 8-ball.

I did an 8 ball once. I didn't like it. All got was constipated for a week.

Oh, and kicked out of the pool club.

You're not supposed to use it as a suppository.


I swallowed it.

Shoulda gone with the cue ball. It's smaller.
 
2018-03-19 06:27:53 AM  
Why whatever do you mean, you could always carry a .380 ACP.
And explain how it is perfectly logical that it is less powerful but the same diameter as the .357 Magnum.
 
2018-03-19 06:32:57 AM  

Begoggle: dailygrinds: Begoggle: dailygrinds: thisispete: Teachers are people too. They are prone to stress and mental health issues like any other group. I have no doubt that if they were armed there would be teacher-on-student violence at some point.

Teachers are currently armed and have been for a very long time in many districts. I'm not aware of a single instance of a teacher with a CCW permit abusing it in that way.

/and I've been subjected to teacher on student violence twice

People of every profession are armed and have been for a very long time in many places.
What is the point of your argument?

Okay, for the slow children in class, I'll go over this again.

One farker said to the other, "If teachers had guns, they'd get mad and shoot their students".

Another farker replied, "but teachers have guns and they don't get mad and shoot their students."

And then another farker chimed in with "deeerrrrrp?"

And that, children, is why we have special classes, so that differently abled farkers can still participate in grown up discussions without being embarrassed by bullies who don't under stand their special contributions.

But not all teachers are armed.
Some are, often against the rules.
But that number is very small.
If they were all armed all the time, the likelihood of gun violence would increase a lot.
The problem is the premise of your second statement: "but teachers have guns", where you leave out a lot of crucial information, before going into an assholish sarcastic rant.


You're a very special person and we all appreciate your contributions to the community. I sincerely apologize for my inability to explain this at a level that you can easily understand but please indulge me while I make yet another attempt.
My first statement was this - "Teachers are currently armed and have been for a very long time in many districts. I'm not aware of a single instance of a teacher with a CCW permit abusing it in that way."

I can now see how easily confused you might be by that statement. I did not mean to imply that allteachers are armed, merely that many (many being a subjective word in itself, if you are confused I will be more than happy to offer further instruction) teachers are. Again, I am very sorry and take full responsibility for any emotional turmoil my words may have caused.
 
2018-03-19 06:37:30 AM  

dailygrinds: I can now see how easily confused you might be by that statement. I did not mean to imply that allteachers are armed, merely that many (many being a subjective word in itself, if you are confused I will be more than happy to offer further instruction) teachers are.


Nah, "many" aren't.
Almost none are.
Just admit that you don't care if people are killed using guns.
 
2018-03-19 06:40:23 AM  

Ishidan: Why whatever do you mean, you could always carry a .380 ACP.
And explain how it is perfectly logical that it is less powerful but the same diameter as the .357 Magnum.


Non-sequitor -
My .357 magnum is perfectly capable of firing rounds that are less powerful than most .380 ACP rounds.
 
2018-03-19 06:48:41 AM  
And? Just need one or two not opposed to it that are willing to do more than just stand around and witness murder to make a dramatic difference with the right training and what not.
 
2018-03-19 06:51:37 AM  
Let me preface this by saying that I am a teacher and I come from a hunting family.

Arming teachers is a colossally stupid idea.  Just as I wouldn't feel safe in a classroom where I students were armed, a student is not going to feel safe with an armed teacher.  Teachers are the pretty much the lowest paid job that requires a college degree and are already asked to do so much in the classroom, now you want to put this burden on them as well?  This is a recipe for disaster.

The HS I teach at has 4 safety officers (police officers) in it every day, and they are armed.  That's basically all that is needed.

Let's treat the root causes and not just the symptoms.

/ movie to Australia in a year at this rate.
 
2018-03-19 06:53:23 AM  

Begoggle: dailygrinds: I can now see how easily confused you might be by that statement. I did not mean to imply that allteachers are armed, merely that many (many being a subjective word in itself, if you are confused I will be more than happy to offer further instruction) teachers are.

Nah, "many" aren't.
Almost none are.
Just admit that you don't care if people are killed using guns.


Dude, I'm trying to spare your feelings here but you make it so difficult. One single firearms training institute in Ohio has trained over 1300 teachers in best practices for school CCW. Eight states currently have some provision for teacher CCW and six have pending legislation to allow it. Again, I understand if you don't get the subjective concept of "many" but even the dullest child would consider these numbers "many".
 
2018-03-19 07:01:53 AM  

0MGWTFBBQ: Let me preface this by saying that I am a teacher and I come from a hunting family.

Arming teachers is a colossally stupid idea.  Just as I wouldn't feel safe in a classroom where I students were armed, a student is not going to feel safe with an armed teacher.  Teachers are the pretty much the lowest paid job that requires a college degree and are already asked to do so much in the classroom, now you want to put this burden on them as well?  This is a recipe for disaster.

The HS I teach at has 4 safety officers (police officers) in it every day, and they are armed.  That's basically all that is needed.

Let's treat the root causes and not just the symptoms.

/ movie to Australia in a year at this rate.


Most high schools probably can't afford to have four officers on-site all the time.  Stoneman Douglas apparently couldn't, although the one they did have recommended to no avail that N. Cruz be involuntarily committed in 2016 (before he bought his rifle; under federal law, involuntary committal for mental health reasons is a bar to buying firearms).
 
2018-03-19 07:06:29 AM  
Holy Shnikes! Teachers are crazy.  18% would carry guns if allowed and 10% strongly favor armed teachers??  That's way higher than any proposal.  If they get that many carrying guns, it would be the largest armed workplace in the U.S.  Even military bases don't have 18% armed
 
2018-03-19 07:08:41 AM  
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2018-03-19 07:11:47 AM  
This episode of Guns In America has really jumped the shark...
 
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