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(The Alliance Review)   That kid that was suspended for NOT walking out of class during gun violence protests? Yeah...hold on to your pearls and prepare your fainting couch, but it turns out the truth may have been fudged a wee bit   ( the-review.com) divider line
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Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-03-17 09:31:37 AM  
NRA supporters lie? The hell, you say.
 
2018-03-17 09:43:18 AM  
Being "middle of the road" politically, he didn't want to make either statement, Shoemaker said

From the Devil's Dictionary's definition of a pacifist: Pacifist, noun: a dead Quaker.
 
2018-03-17 09:44:03 AM  
Jacob Shoemaker felt as though he would be making a political statement about guns by walking outside with those students, his father said, but he'd also be making one if he stayed in and allowed himself to be sent to wherever the non-protesters were being rounded up in the building. Being "middle of the road" politically, he didn't want to make either statement, Shoemaker said.

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2018-03-17 09:51:05 AM  
"He stayed in the classroom, where he was supposed to be in the first place," Shoemaker said. "It's kind of ironic."

No he wasn't, jackass.  He was supposed to be in the study hall or outdoors.  He chose neither.  That's not ironic.  That's just being difficult.
 
2018-03-17 09:51:56 AM  

GardenWeasel: Jacob Shoemaker felt as though he would be making a political statement about guns by walking outside with those students, his father said, but he'd also be making one if he stayed in and allowed himself to be sent to wherever the non-protesters were being rounded up in the building. Being "middle of the road" politically, he didn't want to make either statement, Shoemaker said.

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2018-03-17 10:04:44 AM  
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2018-03-17 10:13:57 AM  
Plus I heard some kids talked during a moment of silence so we need to go on killing all the kids.
 
2018-03-17 10:19:55 AM  
Spin it how you like but the kid just wanted to go to class. Not walk out. Not twiddle his thumbs in study hall. He just wanted to be productive.
 
2018-03-17 10:47:14 AM  

edmo: Spin it how you like but the kid just wanted to go to class. Not walk out. Not twiddle his thumbs in study hall. He just wanted to be productive.


The school is in charge of your safety. If they tell you to make a choice, you make a choice.

If you can't study in a study hall for an hour, then doodle, read a book, find a way to entertain yourself.
 
2018-03-17 11:11:11 AM  

edmo: the kid just wanted to go to class


Difficulty: there was no class/teacher in the classroom at that time.

If you want to take issue with the school supporting and providing time for the protest, go for it.  But trying to make this kid out as some sort of ace student because he wanted to be in class is kinda silly.  There was a study hall provided for those that didn't choose to walk and he could have been studying there.  He decided that he wanted option C when there was no C.
 
2018-03-17 11:35:41 AM  

PainInTheASP: "He stayed in the classroom, where he was supposed to be in the first place," Shoemaker said. "It's kind of ironic."

No he wasn't, jackass.  He was supposed to be in the study hall or outdoors.  He chose neither.  That's not ironic.  That's just being difficult.


Was he in the classroom where he was normally supposed to be on that day and time?  Why should he have to sit in study hall just because other people want to play truant?  Why didn't the person who wrote the suspension note mention that the "instructions" had the objective of accommodating a political protest?

Subby should be ashamed of their headline.
 
2018-03-17 11:59:18 AM  

Dork Gently: Was he in the classroom where he was normally supposed to be on that day and time?


No, he wasn't. He was given a choice between outside or study hall.

Dork Gently: Why should he have to sit in study hall just because other people want to play truant?


Because those were the choices given.

Dork Gently: Why didn't the person who wrote the suspension note mention that the "instructions" had the objective of accommodating a political protest?


Because intelligent people don't need the obvious pointed out to them.
 
2018-03-17 11:59:19 AM  
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2018-03-17 12:04:27 PM  

Dork Gently: PainInTheASP: "He stayed in the classroom, where he was supposed to be in the first place," Shoemaker said. "It's kind of ironic."

No he wasn't, jackass.  He was supposed to be in the study hall or outdoors.  He chose neither.  That's not ironic.  That's just being difficult.

Was he in the classroom where he was normally supposed to be on that day and time?


What does that matter if that was not where he was supposed to be?  There was a scheduled event, not dissimilar to a fire drill.

Why should he have to sit in study hall just because other people want to play truant?

because of a scheduled event

  Why didn't the person who wrote the suspension note mention that the "instructions" had the objective of accommodating a political protest?

And finally, because it doesn't.  No one made him do anything other than remain with the other administrators and students in either study hall or outside, he didn't have to show any support to the cause at all.
 
2018-03-17 12:05:37 PM  

SpaceyCat: edmo: the kid just wanted to go to class

Difficulty: there was no class/teacher in the classroom at that time.

If you want to take issue with the school supporting and providing time for the protest, go for it.  But trying to make this kid out as some sort of ace student because he wanted to be in class is kinda silly.  There was a study hall provided for those that didn't choose to walk and he could have been studying there.  He decided that he wanted option C when there was no C.


The reality remains: the school insisted he make a choice on the issue. Nitnoy all you want, quibble all you want, distract all you want. The reality remains.
 
2018-03-17 12:09:49 PM  
That's exactly the same story I heard when this went around the first time.

I guess something must have happened on FlakeBook.
 
2018-03-17 12:12:02 PM  

edmo: SpaceyCat: edmo: the kid just wanted to go to class

Difficulty: there was no class/teacher in the classroom at that time.

If you want to take issue with the school supporting and providing time for the protest, go for it.  But trying to make this kid out as some sort of ace student because he wanted to be in class is kinda silly.  There was a study hall provided for those that didn't choose to walk and he could have been studying there.  He decided that he wanted option C when there was no C.

The reality remains: the school insisted he make a choice on the issue. Nitnoy all you want, quibble all you want, distract all you want. The reality remains.


What's the difference between him sitting in a room without supervision by himself or going to study hall?  Do you really think going to study hall is saying he disagrees with the walk-out crowd, but STAYING in the room he wasn't supposed to be, by himself without supervision, means something else?
 
2018-03-17 12:30:45 PM  

Man On A Mission: Dork Gently: Was he in the classroom where he was normally supposed to be on that day and time?

No, he wasn't. He was given a choice between outside or study hall.

Dork Gently: Why should he have to sit in study hall just because other people want to play truant?

Because those were the choices given.

Dork Gently: Why didn't the person who wrote the suspension note mention that the "instructions" had the objective of accommodating a political protest?

Because intelligent people don't need the obvious pointed out to them.


Since he wasn't normally supposed to be in that classroom, where was he normally supposed to be?  Some other class?

By "normally", I mean "not assuming a departure from routine classes".  I do not mean "normally" to mean "in a change from routine because the school decided to go along with a bunch of kids playing hooky" -- intelligent people should not need that pointed out to them.  (Of course, it's obvious to intelligent people that you only answered "no" to my first question because admitting that the answer is "yes" would be inconvenient to your position.)

Seriously, fark the idea that schools should endorse blatantly political activity that replaces normal class activities.  Whoever in the administration decided to let students leave class without punishment should be fired, and so should whoever decided that this kid should get a suspension.  The school's administration got upset that this kid pointed out their abrogation of their duties, and decided that he must be punished for it.  It's worse that so many people are essentially defending that reprisal on the grounds that the kid did not "just follow orders".
 
2018-03-17 12:44:05 PM  
darn it.  this is the first I've heard of it.  I didn't even have a chance to be outraged first.
 
2018-03-17 12:45:05 PM  
The easy answer to this dilemma was to skip a day of school.
 
2018-03-17 12:46:04 PM  
Being "middle of the road" politically, he didn't want to make either statement, Shoemaker said

Middle of the road, man it stanks.
 
2018-03-17 12:46:05 PM  

Xai: NRA supporters lie? The hell, you say.


The dad also got death threats if you read the article. I am sure it was the NRA threatening a kid for not walking out and protesting among other things, the NRA,  and not the lunatic left. There are plenty of crazies to go around, if you actually pull your head out of your own ass and actually look around. Btw, this was the least "revolutionary" protest I have seen. It was planned into the days schedule, see here at this kids school where they had plans for everyone to go even the non protesting kids, and some school sent home waivers for parents to sign allowing them to participate. I'd bet anything 98% of the kids did this just to get out of class. I certainly would have done it to get out of class.
 
2018-03-17 12:47:17 PM  
I wonder if any of the students who lingered outside for too long was also punished.  I also think the school is in the wrong here.
 
2018-03-17 12:47:38 PM  
Duh? This was pointed out in the original thread. Multiple times.
 
2018-03-17 12:49:25 PM  
I thought we already knew this.

I guess some folks weren't paying attention in class.
 
2018-03-17 12:50:41 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: I thought we already knew this.

I guess some folks weren't paying attention in class.


People were too busy enjoying the circlejerk to let a little thing like facts and reality get in the way.
 
2018-03-17 12:50:48 PM  

sprgrss: I wonder if any of the students who lingered outside for too long was also punished.  I also think the school is in the wrong here.


From the article, emphasis mine:
"No students were suspended for not walking out, said Hilliard district spokeswoman Stacie Raterman. No students were suspended for walking out, though about 10 were punished for lingering outside more than an hour after being warned."

You're right though; the school should have punished the kids who walked out.
 
2018-03-17 12:51:03 PM  

GardenWeasel: Jacob Shoemaker felt as though he would be making a political statement about guns by walking outside with those students, his father said, but he'd also be making one if he stayed in and allowed himself to be sent to wherever the non-protesters were being rounded up in the building. Being "middle of the road" politically, he didn't want to make either statement, Shoemaker said.

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2018-03-17 12:53:24 PM  
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2018-03-17 12:55:20 PM  

Dork Gently: PainInTheASP: "He stayed in the classroom, where he was supposed to be in the first place," Shoemaker said. "It's kind of ironic."

No he wasn't, jackass.  He was supposed to be in the study hall or outdoors.  He chose neither.  That's not ironic.  That's just being difficult.

Was he in the classroom where he was normally supposed to be on that day and time?  Why should he have to sit in study hall just because other people want to play truant?  Why didn't the person who wrote the suspension note mention that the "instructions" had the objective of accommodating a political protest?

Subby should be ashamed of their headline.


How do you feel about field trips? I mean, they're not where they're usually at during a day and time, Sheldon.
 
2018-03-17 12:55:36 PM  
He's on the fence.
 
2018-03-17 12:58:26 PM  

LarryDan43: He's on the fence.


Seriously?
 
2018-03-17 01:00:12 PM  
What a difficult little shiat. Does he have a farking mental disability? No? Then follow the farking instructions. I never got to chill in a classroom unsupervised, and i'm pretty sure most schools just go around leaving kids by themselves for extended periods of time. Because that would be stupid.

If that was my kid i'd ask him if he wants to end up in jail, because if you act like a dick with simple instructions that's where you're going to end up.
 
2018-03-17 01:01:57 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Being "middle of the road" politically, he didn't want to make either statement, Shoemaker said

From the Devil's Dictionary's definition of a pacifist: Pacifist, noun: a dead Quaker.


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2018-03-17 01:02:48 PM  
The kid was where he was supposed to be, the teacher was not.  The teacher should be suspended.
 
2018-03-17 01:03:09 PM  

Dork Gently: Man On A Mission: Dork Gently: Was he in the classroom where he was normally supposed to be on that day and time?

No, he wasn't. He was given a choice between outside or study hall.

Dork Gently: Why should he have to sit in study hall just because other people want to play truant?

Because those were the choices given.

Dork Gently: Why didn't the person who wrote the suspension note mention that the "instructions" had the objective of accommodating a political protest?

Because intelligent people don't need the obvious pointed out to them.

Since he wasn't normally supposed to be in that classroom, where was he normally supposed to be?  Some other class?

By "normally", I mean "not assuming a departure from routine classes".  I do not mean "normally" to mean "in a change from routine because the school decided to go along with a bunch of kids playing hooky" -- intelligent people should not need that pointed out to them.  (Of course, it's obvious to intelligent people that you only answered "no" to my first question because admitting that the answer is "yes" would be inconvenient to your position.)

Seriously, fark the idea that schools should endorse blatantly political activity that replaces normal class activities.  Whoever in the administration decided to let students leave class without punishment should be fired, and so should whoever decided that this kid should get a suspension.  The school's administration got upset that this kid pointed out their abrogation of their duties, and decided that he must be punished for it.  It's worse that so many people are essentially defending that reprisal on the grounds that the kid did not "just follow orders".


Acknowledging that you weren't being rigid about "normally", the school also had a decision to make. A significant number of students were walking out in protest of a national topic, and not a school policy. The school could punish them (as we saw in Alabama) or accommodate their protest and provide alternative supervision for those who decided not to take part. The school, imho, has an active interest in reducing shootings within its walls and if they want to support their students in pushing a conversation, I have little problem with it. That they provided alternative accommodations for those who disagreed and didn't forge on with normal class, is up for discussion (but, again, this wasn't as simple as playing hooky - like a senior skip day), I suppose, but they made a decision and provided options A and B. He chose C.
 
2018-03-17 01:04:27 PM  

holdmybones: Dork Gently: PainInTheASP: "He stayed in the classroom, where he was supposed to be in the first place," Shoemaker said. "It's kind of ironic."

No he wasn't, jackass.  He was supposed to be in the study hall or outdoors.  He chose neither.  That's not ironic.  That's just being difficult.

Was he in the classroom where he was normally supposed to be on that day and time?  Why should he have to sit in study hall just because other people want to play truant?  Why didn't the person who wrote the suspension note mention that the "instructions" had the objective of accommodating a political protest?

Subby should be ashamed of their headline.

How do you feel about field trips? I mean, they're not where they're usually at during a day and time, Sheldon.


So they're "playing truant"!
Chex mix!
 
2018-03-17 01:04:33 PM  
Republicans always the victim? It's more likely than you think.
 
2018-03-17 01:05:08 PM  

OgreMagi: The kid was where he was supposed to be, the teacher was not.  The teacher should be suspended.


They told him exactly what would happen if he chose to be a little shiat about it. He could go to study hall if he didn't want to participate.

So no, he wasn't where he was supposed to be, and the dad is a terrible father who's going to raise a dipshiat. fark him.
 
2018-03-17 01:05:46 PM  
'The biggest problem, Dad, is that there shouldn't be politics in the classroom.

And there shouldn't be guns in the classroom either, but there you go.  Life is full of 'shouldn'ts' that you will need to deal with.
 
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2018-03-17 01:06:13 PM  

SpaceyCat: Difficulty: there was no class/teacher in the classroom at that time.


So... where the hell did the teachers go?  They weren't all needed at study hall.  Did they join the walk-out too?  They were being paid for something and it looks like politics.  The BS at the end of TFA "We purposely let these students create these events to allow students to mourn and to avoid the politics" is even more egregious bullshiat.  They set it up so none of the students could avoid taking a position.

Munden: No one made him do anything other than remain with the other administrators and students in either study hall or outside, he didn't have to show any support to the cause at all.


Bullshiat.  It was a "join or be shunned" option.  Everyone who goes to study hall is forever going to be tarnished as being in favor of murdering schoolchildren.  Just like the leftistas do here for anyone who wants to speak about real data and real solutions that don't involve wholesale infringement of Constitutional rights for free and law-abiding citizens.
 
2018-03-17 01:06:29 PM  

WeedBong420: OgreMagi: The kid was where he was supposed to be, the teacher was not.  The teacher should be suspended.

They told him exactly what would happen if he chose to be a little shiat about it. He could go to study hall if he didn't want to participate.

So no, he wasn't where he was supposed to be, and the dad is a terrible father who's going to raise a dipshiat. fark him.


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2018-03-17 01:07:13 PM  

OgreMagi: The kid was where he was supposed to be, the teacher was not.  The teacher should be suspended.


Wonderful we have you and people like you as ultimate arbiters of what teachers' responsibilities are, rather than the teachers themselves.
 
2018-03-17 01:07:58 PM  
Allowing kids to protest without punishment isnt a realistic teaching. If you perform civil disobedience anywhere there is typically a price.

Some folks get fired others get fines or arrested.

Anyone protesting should have to go thruogh that same process. School should be happening like normal.
 
2018-03-17 01:08:38 PM  
I said it in the original thread, and I'll say it again. The "protest or study hall" thing was a poor implementation, and the school deserves some criticism for that. But the kid was just being a trollish little shiathead, and seems to have gotten pretty much what he deserved.
 
2018-03-17 01:08:40 PM  
God this story is the gift that keeps on giving. I just don't know what aspect is best. That schools run by hippies organized these "walkouts" and applaud the students for being brave? Or the tone deaf rethuglicantards who got all authoritarian and said student protestors should get punished? OR the same dipshiats who called the student protestors brave heros going all authoritarian themselves on some kid who was being told to take sides and noped the fark out.

The reactions to this kid's suspension from both sides has been the perfect reflection of the retardedness of the gun argument.

Bravo!
 
2018-03-17 01:08:55 PM  

holdmybones: Dork Gently: PainInTheASP: "He stayed in the classroom, where he was supposed to be in the first place," Shoemaker said. "It's kind of ironic."

No he wasn't, jackass.  He was supposed to be in the study hall or outdoors.  He chose neither.  That's not ironic.  That's just being difficult.

Was he in the classroom where he was normally supposed to be on that day and time?  Why should he have to sit in study hall just because other people want to play truant?  Why didn't the person who wrote the suspension note mention that the "instructions" had the objective of accommodating a political protest?

Subby should be ashamed of their headline.

How do you feel about field trips? I mean, they're not where they're usually at during a day and time, Sheldon.


Field trips usually have some clear relationship to the curriculum.  "Let's go out and play pretend gun grabbers" doesn't.
 
2018-03-17 01:09:16 PM  

Dork Gently: Man On A Mission: Dork Gently: Was he in the classroom where he was normally supposed to be on that day and time?

No, he wasn't. He was given a choice between outside or study hall.

Dork Gently: Why should he have to sit in study hall just because other people want to play truant?

Because those were the choices given.

Dork Gently: Why didn't the person who wrote the suspension note mention that the "instructions" had the objective of accommodating a political protest?

Because intelligent people don't need the obvious pointed out to them.

Since he wasn't normally supposed to be in that classroom, where was he normally supposed to be?  Some other class?

By "normally", I mean "not assuming a departure from routine classes".  I do not mean "normally" to mean "in a change from routine because the school decided to go along with a bunch of kids playing hooky" -- intelligent people should not need that pointed out to them.  (Of course, it's obvious to intelligent people that you only answered "no" to my first question because admitting that the answer is "yes" would be inconvenient to your position.)

Seriously, fark the idea that schools should endorse blatantly political activity that replaces normal class activities.  Whoever in the administration decided to let students leave class without punishment should be fired, and so should whoever decided that this kid should get a suspension.  The school's administration got upset that this kid pointed out their abrogation of their duties, and decided that he must be punished for it.  It's worse that so many people are essentially defending that reprisal on the grounds that the kid did not "just follow orders".


they explained it in the article. for the safety of students he had two choices be with the protesting students were with the other teachers or in study hall with the other students who didn't wish to participate and the other teachers. he chose to be in the room by himself. can you imagine the outcry of a parent if something happened to the kid and no one in charge was around? at least being with the other students and the teachers he's with supervision.  that is the point of being in the study hall with the teachers and the other students who didn't want to participate.

also like to point out the reason they are doing this is because the adults in this country still do nothing about the issue. a pet gets put in an overhead bin and dies in an airplane and within 48hrs some legislator is trying to pass a bill to make it illegal. we're still waiting on the gun issue and kids are still getting killed at school. they aren't old enough to vote, buy cigarettes, alcohol, lottery tickets, porn but yet somehow can buy a tool that has the power to kill another person if used improperly.

I just find haunting that the kids are damned if they do damned if they don't. they get told to be silent and shut up. or told oh did your feelings get hurt you snowflake millennial? and told they shouldn't do anything cause it's too soon. well they should be in school but they should also not have to worry about getting shot and killed because some kid has a meltdown and is able to either buy a gun or obtain one and go on a rampage. seems like it should be a simple topic but it isn't and kids and adults are still getting the consequences of nothing being done and "its' too soon" or "thoughts and prayers"
 
2018-03-17 01:10:26 PM  

OgreMagi: The kid was where he was supposed to be, the teacher was not.  The teacher should be suspended.


On an ordinary day yes, but the school had an event planned, so no.  Logical fail too high to be successful troll.  But the kid is an awesome troll.  He trolled you.
 
2018-03-17 01:11:48 PM  

PainInTheASP: "He stayed in the classroom, where he was supposed to be in the first place," Shoemaker said. "It's kind of ironic."

No he wasn't, jackass.  He was supposed to be in the study hall or outdoors.  He chose neither.  That's not ironic.  That's just being difficult.


He wasn't being neutral. He was protesting the school protest.
 
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