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(CNN)   The nerve agent used to try to commit spookicide in the UK is a nerve agent only developed and used by the Soviets, and is ten times more powerful than North Korean VX   ( cnn.com) divider line
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2018-03-14 09:14:17 AM  
huh, almost like the former Soviets may have done this. Why, fetch me my fainting goats
 
2018-03-14 09:21:52 AM  
Russia kept the Novichok virus off the Chemical Weapons Convention list to continue developing new strains, he said

The fark, CNN?
 
2018-03-14 09:22:58 AM  
We need to appoint a special investigator to find out how Hillary got her hands on it!
 
2018-03-14 09:31:12 AM  
I saw many comments yesterday on Fox News actively defending Russia saying there's no evidence they did it and they were obviously set up by some other nefarious player (MI6, the Israelis, the democrats, etc.)
 
2018-03-14 09:40:06 AM  

hobnail: Russia kept the Novichok virus off the Chemical Weapons Convention list to continue developing new strains, he said

The fark, CNN?


technically it is a virus
 
2018-03-14 09:48:21 AM  
That powerful and no fatalities?
 
2018-03-14 09:50:15 AM  
 
2018-03-14 10:04:13 AM  
So, I am very curious if this constitutes an act of war against the UK.  Too bad they are trying to withdraw from the EU right now.
 
2018-03-14 10:06:58 AM  

hobnail: somedude210: hobnail: Russia kept the Novichok virus off the Chemical Weapons Convention list to continue developing new strains, he said

The fark, CNN?

technically it is a virus

Not according to wikipedia (yes, I know):
A wide range of potential structures have been reported. These all feature the classical organophosphorus core (sometimes with the P=O replaced with P=S or P=Se), which is most commonly depicted as being a phosphoramidate or phosphonate, usually fluorinated (c.f. monofluorophosphate). The organic groups are subject to more variety; however, a common substituent is phosgene oxime or analogues thereof. This is a potent chemical weapon in its own right, specifically as a nettle agent, and would be expected to increase the harm done by the Novichok agent. Many claimed structures from this group also contain cross-linking agent motifs which may covalently bind to the acetylcholinesterase active site in several places, perhaps explaining the rapid denaturing of the enzyme that is claimed to be characteristic of the Novichok agents.


fair enough. My understanding was that it was a virus
 
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2018-03-14 10:11:42 AM  

thehobbes: That powerful and no fatalities?


THIS >>>>>
 
2018-03-14 10:14:43 AM  

DAR: thehobbes: That powerful and no fatalities?

THIS >>>>>


This business ain't over yet.  It doesn't necessarily kill immediately, and it's possible the people affected never recover. They almost certainly will never fully recover if I'm reading these articles right.
 
2018-03-14 10:16:01 AM  

harleyquinnical: So, I am very curious if this constitutes an act of war against the UK.  Too bad they are trying to withdraw from the EU right now.


The EU isn't a military organization and the UK isn't leaving NATO any time soon.
 
2018-03-14 10:20:57 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: DAR: thehobbes: That powerful and no fatalities?

THIS >>>>>

This business ain't over yet.  It doesn't necessarily kill immediately, and it's possible the people affected never recover. They almost certainly will never fully recover if I'm reading these articles right.


Looks like a very sloppy delivery mechanism played a factor. Nerve agent on the door means cutaneous which tends to be short lived before evaporation. If it was in the car air filter you'd expect it would have worked quicker.

If it was placed in that  time window (supermarket-pub timeframe) instead of at the airport, then narrowing suspects should be easier. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-br​i​tain-russia-explainer/explainer-the-po​isoning-of-former-russian-double-agent​-sergei-skripal-idUSKCN1GP2CH

Curious what the injured officer's exposure was though.
 
2018-03-14 10:21:33 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: harleyquinnical: So, I am very curious if this constitutes an act of war against the UK.  Too bad they are trying to withdraw from the EU right now.

The EU isn't a military organization and the UK isn't leaving NATO any time soon.


Yeah but sanctions from the EU have a stronger effect. And weren't Germany and France working out a plan for a combined EU force?
 
2018-03-14 10:22:19 AM  

thehobbes: That powerful and no fatalities?


From what I understand, it was sprayed in aerosol form in an open environment. So the target did not get a concentrated or enclosed dose of it. If he ingested it, he'd probably be dead. If it was in a room, he'd probably be dead. But out in the open with the wind blowing, the effects were negated somewhat.
 
2018-03-14 10:22:26 AM  

hobnail: somedude210: hobnail: Russia kept the Novichok virus off the Chemical Weapons Convention list to continue developing new strains, he said

The fark, CNN?

technically it is a virus

Not according to wikipedia (yes, I know):
A wide range of potential structures have been reported. These all feature the classical organophosphorus core (sometimes with the P=O replaced with P=S or P=Se), which is most commonly depicted as being a phosphoramidate or phosphonate, usually fluorinated (c.f. monofluorophosphate). The organic groups are subject to more variety; however, a common substituent is phosgene oxime or analogues thereof. This is a potent chemical weapon in its own right, specifically as a nettle agent, and would be expected to increase the harm done by the Novichok agent. Many claimed structures from this group also contain cross-linking agent motifs which may covalently bind to the acetylcholinesterase active site in several places, perhaps explaining the rapid denaturing of the enzyme that is claimed to be characteristic of the Novichok agents.


Okay, I just read the wiki on this thing and I'm terrified.

Apparently one of the creators lives in America now, any sane president would be giving him a call right now.
 
2018-03-14 10:26:13 AM  

shortymac: Apparently one of the creators lives in America now, any sane president would be giving him a call right now.


They should maybe get him to a safe house, both for his protection and our benefit in the likely case of attacks on American soil.
 
2018-03-14 10:29:41 AM  

thehobbes: Tr0mBoNe: harleyquinnical: So, I am very curious if this constitutes an act of war against the UK.  Too bad they are trying to withdraw from the EU right now.

The EU isn't a military organization and the UK isn't leaving NATO any time soon.

Yeah but sanctions from the EU have a stronger effect. And weren't Germany and France working out a plan for a combined EU force?


The EU can make all the sanctions they want on top of the UK sanctions. There's very little political will for that, thought.

There is already a common defense framework in the EU. Calls for an actual military organization beyond that have become more vocal in the past 4 years, but there's not a lot of will for that either.
 
2018-03-14 10:37:51 AM  
Trump did nato see this coming.
 
2018-03-14 10:39:46 AM  
The USSR is back...... Simpson Tide
Youtube jF-gT-tr-jE


The Soviet Union? I thought you guys broke up.
 
2018-03-14 10:40:46 AM  

somedude210: huh, almost like the former Soviets may have done this. Why, fetch me my fainting goats


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2018-03-14 10:41:42 AM  
Is North Korea the gold standard for chemical weapons?
 
2018-03-14 10:43:25 AM  
So um, will president tiny hands condemn Russia? Impose sanctions? If not, who cares. Mentally stable people have known Russia to be dangerous.
 
2018-03-14 10:43:33 AM  
Has anyone started looking into how a 400 pound guy in his mom's basement got a hold of this nerve agent?
 
2018-03-14 10:43:56 AM  
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2018-03-14 10:44:09 AM  
Yeah,  just a random mugging. Could have happened on any British street.
Probably Muslims.
Nothing to see hear.
 
2018-03-14 10:45:31 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I saw many comments yesterday on Fox News actively defending Russia saying there's no evidence they did it and they were obviously set up by some other nefarious player (MI6, the Israelis, the democrats, etc.)


What the fark happened to us? And by us, I mean Americans. Have we always been so shiatty?
 
2018-03-14 10:45:38 AM  
I'm wondering if expelling the Russian {cough} diplomats is giving the perpetrator(s) a get out of jail free card to go home and high-five their little bros.
 
2018-03-14 10:46:25 AM  
We now go live to the White House response to the news that Russia has committed an attack against a NATO ally

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2018-03-14 10:46:41 AM  

Arkanaut: Is North Korea the gold standard for chemical weapons?


Nah, but it's a valid comparison when Trump has a hardon for going after NK while his BFF Russia is using much more dangerous chemical weapons inside the borders of our allies.
 
2018-03-14 10:47:02 AM  
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So let me get this straight...Russian agents and citizens were killed in a foreign country using a Russian made only nerve agent is this what you are saying?

Well whoop-de-doo Basil what does it all mean?
 
2018-03-14 10:47:06 AM  

scottydoesntknow: thehobbes: That powerful and no fatalities?

From what I understand, it was sprayed in aerosol form in an open environment. So the target did not get a concentrated or enclosed dose of it. If he ingested it, he'd probably be dead. If it was in a room, he'd probably be dead. But out in the open with the wind blowing, the effects were negated somewhat.


I'd heard powder. Aerosol makes more sense and of course powders can be transformed into aerosols easily enough... .

It's been  a long news cycle..... Somebody help me out please
 
2018-03-14 10:49:12 AM  

PsyLord: somedude210: huh, almost like the former Soviets may have done this. Why, fetch me my fainting goats

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Christ, he looks 5 years younger in that gif. We're about 6 months away from President Pence if he doesn't cut down on the cheeseburgers.

/his rapid aging is the only thing presidential about him, the sh*tbag.
 
2018-03-14 10:51:03 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: harleyquinnical: So, I am very curious if this constitutes an act of war against the UK.  Too bad they are trying to withdraw from the EU right now.

The EU isn't a military organization and the UK isn't leaving NATO any time soon.


They may not need it anyway.

Britain has a larger GDP and their military spending is comparable.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-i​n​fo/compare/Russia/United-Kingdom/Econo​my
 
2018-03-14 10:51:06 AM  

VOCSL5: scottydoesntknow: thehobbes: That powerful and no fatalities?

From what I understand, it was sprayed in aerosol form in an open environment. So the target did not get a concentrated or enclosed dose of it. If he ingested it, he'd probably be dead. If it was in a room, he'd probably be dead. But out in the open with the wind blowing, the effects were negated somewhat.

I'd heard powder. Aerosol makes more sense and of course powders can be transformed into aerosols easily enough... .

It's been  a long news cycle..... Somebody help me out please


Current theory from Whitehall is either it was in the air filter/ventilation system, or was smeared on the car door handle. Unsure who would be driving so rub it on both hence you get the 2 principal victims. They don't know what they touched in the pub/restaurant after that. 

A powder in the ventilation would effectively disperse it on both people when the fans kicked on, but the cutaneous seems more likely considering they found residue on the doors.
 
2018-03-14 10:53:06 AM  

deanis: scottydoesntknow: I saw many comments yesterday on Fox News actively defending Russia saying there's no evidence they did it and they were obviously set up by some other nefarious player (MI6, the Israelis, the democrats, etc.)

What the fark happened to us? And by us, I mean Americans. Have we always been so shiatty?


Yes, maga folks like to ignore our dark side history
 
2018-03-14 10:53:22 AM  
 
2018-03-14 10:53:38 AM  

ThunderPelvis: PsyLord: somedude210: huh, almost like the former Soviets may have done this. Why, fetch me my fainting goats

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Christ, he looks 5 years younger in that gif. We're about 6 months away from President Pence if he doesn't cut down on the cheeseburgers.

/his rapid aging is the only thing presidential about him, the sh*tbag.


Would you like nightmares?  Look at his neck.  Even in that gif you can see his neck vagina.

Yes.  Trump has a neck vagina.

Look at it.

LOOK AT IT!

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2018-03-14 10:54:06 AM  
Apparently our intelligence community needs to access the entire final, upcoming season of The Americans, since they covered this gambit last season.
 
2018-03-14 10:54:08 AM  
Is it commonly known that pest strips are a form of nerve gas?
 
2018-03-14 10:56:23 AM  
Don't miss the fact that Putin wanted it known and reported that he did this, or he wouldn't have used such a distinctive agent. The only thing hard about chemical weapons in general and nerve agents in particular is making and storing quantities large enough for effective military use (it takes a literal shiatload for a single attack against troops under ideal conditions. If the weather is uncooperative it may take three shiatloads and still be marginally effective at best). Making enough for a single indoor use against a couple of individuals is child's play, and a single, unique batch is untraceable.

Putin was sending a worldwide message, and you may safely bet your favorite testicle (your own or some else's) it was heard by those it was meant for.
 
2018-03-14 10:56:33 AM  

Arkanaut: Is North Korea the gold standard for chemical weapons?


no, but its the only other assassination with a nerve agent in recent memory that we know of so it makes for a decent benchmark
 
2018-03-14 10:57:01 AM  
And it was created at a chemical warfare lab that was built using funds from the West intended for defense conversion.

Will you farks stop trusting the Russians? They are utterly incapable of operating honestly or benevolently, or in any way as part of a global community. Stop. It. They weren't laughing with you, they were laughing at you for being so incredibly naive.

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2018-03-14 10:57:08 AM  
That headline is misleading. I'm not dead.
 
2018-03-14 10:57:26 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: There is already a common defense framework in the EU. Calls for an actual military organization beyond that have become more vocal in the past 4 years, but there's not a lot of will for that either.


If America had a real Predisent, who didn't care if his hands were bigly, things might go differently. We'd probably respond by putting "observers" in Ukraine right before the destruction of a lot of Russian (er sorry, "Separatist") forces and material by the Ukranian military. We'd also be publicly curious about the number of accidents occurring in Crimea at the naval base, publicly wondering who is shooting down Syrian and Russian air assets all over Syria, puzzled by who is hacking all those oligarchs and posting their personal / financial documents online, et al.

I mean, we'd have to be "curious" or "puzzled", publicly, for most of it at least. Before someone says it might start a shooting war here's a hint: Vlad doesn't want a war with someone who has "shoot over the horizon" capability. He'll bluster, but he knows Russian forces can't win versus the West. The Russian navy is a floating junkyard, their planes (much less their drones) are at least a generation (if not three) behind, and their tanks are good for target practice. He's not going to respond to a non-nuclear intervention by nuclear means if people aren't invading Russia proper. Vlad is many things: calculating, compulsive, paranoid, a (rumored) secret sub bottom, and a vengeful prick, but he is not suicidal.
 
2018-03-14 10:58:03 AM  

Befuddled: Is it commonly known that pest strips are a form of nerve gas?


The first nerve agents came out of insecticide research. In Germany.
 
Ant
2018-03-14 10:58:05 AM  

ThunderPelvis: We're about 6 months away from President Pence if he doesn't cut down on the cheeseburgers.


Send more cheeseburgers to the White House!
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2018-03-14 10:58:06 AM  

Befuddled: Is it commonly known that pest strips are a form of nerve gas?


Yes. Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. 

Have your atropine and 2-pam ready when responding to agriculture incidents.
 
2018-03-14 10:58:13 AM  

This text is now purple: Tr0mBoNe: harleyquinnical: So, I am very curious if this constitutes an act of war against the UK.  Too bad they are trying to withdraw from the EU right now.

The EU isn't a military organization and the UK isn't leaving NATO any time soon.

They may not need it anyway.

Britain has a larger GDP and their military spending is comparable.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-in​fo/compare/Russia/United-Kingdom/Econo​my


Yeah.. the spit and glue holding together the Russian economy is quite impressive. I'm amazed they're still chugging away given how fast they're burning through their reserves. The only thing that will rescue their economy is oil going way over $100/barrel
 
2018-03-14 10:59:06 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: shortymac: Apparently one of the creators lives in America now, any sane president would be giving him a call right now.

They should maybe get him to a safe house, both for his protection and our benefit in the likely case of attacks on American soil.


What makes you think he's not at Dugway already?
 
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