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(KFOR Oklahoma City)   Oklahoma lawmaker says comments comparing teacher pay raise to extortion were taken out of context, curses those nosy kids visiting the capitol and their fancy smartphone videos   ( kfor.com) divider line
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2018-03-14 08:38:34 AM  
Ya know, there is a fairly easy way to fix the lack of money to pay people - raise taxes.  But that means getting people to put their money where their mouth is.
 
2018-03-14 09:10:17 AM  
An Arizona teacher posted this last night:

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Can we please stop pretending that taxes are all bad, pay our teachers handsomely and get back to educating our kids so they can "make America great" or whatever?
 
2018-03-14 09:12:43 AM  

SpaceyCat: Ya know, there is a fairly easy way to fix the lack of money to pay people - raise taxes.  But that means getting people to put their money where their mouth is.


It is Oklahoma. Just raise the gross production tax on oil and natural gas from 3% to regional average of 7 % and bam, done. 

Oil and the banks are fighting tooth and nail against it.
 
2018-03-14 09:22:46 AM  
The Oklahoma state legislature is a joke.
 
2018-03-14 09:23:35 AM  

thehobbes: SpaceyCat: Ya know, there is a fairly easy way to fix the lack of money to pay people - raise taxes.  But that means getting people to put their money where their mouth is.

It is Oklahoma. Just raise the gross production tax on oil and natural gas from 3% to regional average of 7 % and bam, done. 

Oil and the banks are fighting tooth and nail against it.


As the kids say these days: winner, winner, chicken dinner.
 
2018-03-14 09:27:51 AM  
Education causes 2 serious problems for the 1%.
1. Education leads to critical thinking which leads to progressives.
2. Education uses tax dollars that could go toward more mansions.

The Republican Party serves the 1% above all. Education is not their friend.
 
2018-03-14 09:31:05 AM  
And he would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddeling kids!
 
2018-03-14 09:33:02 AM  
A guy who takes bribes and calls them campaign contributions has a problem with extortion?
 
2018-03-14 09:34:59 AM  
And what context did you mean, legislator?
 
2018-03-14 09:36:46 AM  

thehobbes: SpaceyCat: Ya know, there is a fairly easy way to fix the lack of money to pay people - raise taxes.  But that means getting people to put their money where their mouth is.

It is Oklahoma. Just raise the gross production tax on oil and natural gas from 3% to regional average of 7 % and bam, done. 

Oil and the banks are fighting tooth and nail against it.


If the State raises the oil and natural gas tax, they'll just pick up their wells and move to a different state with lower taxes.  Free market, baby!  That's how resource extraction works!
 
2018-03-14 09:37:51 AM  

Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: Oklahoma is a joke.


FTFY
 
2018-03-14 09:40:51 AM  

KarmicDisaster: And he would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddeling kids!


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2018-03-14 09:42:45 AM  
 Rep. Coody is an ignorant, swinesucking cockbag. Hey wait, you're taking taking that out of context.
 
2018-03-14 09:44:37 AM  
I heard this on my local NPR.

"We're already suffering, and we can vote. Wanna try again?" Paraphrasing of course, but that was a hell of a clap back.
 
2018-03-14 09:44:45 AM  
I'd be curious as to how many times in the last 20 years or so the Oklahoma State legislature had cut education finding and what was done with that money.
I suspect the problem isn't that there's no money to pay teachers, it's just that they want to spend it on other things.
It's not just Oklahoma's problem, either. In most states and at the federal level, when there are budget concerns education is generally among the first places looked at to make cuts.
 
2018-03-14 09:48:01 AM  
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It's s feature, not a bug.
 
2018-03-14 09:48:30 AM  

Aquapope: A guy who takes bribes and calls them campaign contributions has a problem with extortion?


He's claiming he was O'Queefed.

/snicker
 
2018-03-14 09:50:46 AM  

phamwaa: [img.fark.net image 425x281]It's s feature, not a bug.


Well, yeah, because the poorly educated believe his lies. Especially his lies about being a genius, rich, successful, well-endowed, businessman, and that all the beautiful ladies want to share his bed.
 
2018-03-14 09:51:22 AM  

Nadie_AZ: An Arizona teacher posted this last night:

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Can we please stop pretending that taxes are all bad, pay our teachers handsomely and get back to educating our kids so they can "make America great" or whatever?


Republicans don't love children. They love fetuses.
 
2018-03-14 09:52:02 AM  
This is why my mother went to Arkansas to be a teacher in the early 90's.  The Clinton's had greatly improved pay and the class rooms and Oklahoma was falling behind. Even with the 1990 teacher strike which I still remember fondly.

She then became a dental hygienist because neither state paid very well comparatively. She was killed a few years later by a drunk driver.   All her hard work was still worth it even though she could only enjoy it for a couple years. She started college while I was in grade school and I went to every class with her, took every college test and did homework she did.  I basically had an English teaching degree by the 7th grade.  And I never let my teachers not know that. Yes, I was a shiat. am, am a shiat, sorry.

/some of her special ed students would have been in regular classes if they had marijuana/CBD oil to stop their siezures
//tragic thing is many of their parents were smoking weed in the next room while their kids were having seizures in the next room, but Cannabis was so vilified for so long the thing that would help their kids and was readily available wasn't used.
///sorry little Chris who's brain will always be 12, You're probably nearly 40 now if you're still alive
 
2018-03-14 09:55:22 AM  

Aquapope: thehobbes: SpaceyCat: Ya know, there is a fairly easy way to fix the lack of money to pay people - raise taxes.  But that means getting people to put their money where their mouth is.

It is Oklahoma. Just raise the gross production tax on oil and natural gas from 3% to regional average of 7 % and bam, done.
Oil and the banks are fighting tooth and nail against it.

If the State raises the oil and natural gas tax, they'll just pick up their wells and move to a different state with lower taxes.  Free market, baby!  That's how resource extraction works!


Hah! Well, in theory it's possible to raise tax rates on resource extraction to the point that it's unprofitable in a given region, but I doubt Oklahoma's taxes are even remotely near that point except for maybe the most marginal wells. (And if they're that marginal, it's fine to leave that oil and gas in the ground until they're expensive enough to be profitable even with the taxes. Defer the environmental cost to when it's worth it.)
 
2018-03-14 09:57:57 AM  
I just thought it would be interesting to look up how much an OK State Rep makes, by comparison. About the same, 38k.
 
2018-03-14 09:58:15 AM  

geek_mars: I'd be curious as to how many times in the last 20 years or so the Oklahoma State legislature had cut education finding and what was done with that money.
I suspect the problem isn't that there's no money to pay teachers, it's just that they want to spend it on other things.
It's not just Oklahoma's problem, either. In most states and at the federal level, when there are budget concerns education is generally among the first places looked at to make cuts.


They illegally supplanted the lottery funds for one...

Aquapope: thehobbes: SpaceyCat: Ya know, there is a fairly easy way to fix the lack of money to pay people - raise taxes.  But that means getting people to put their money where their mouth is.

It is Oklahoma. Just raise the gross production tax on oil and natural gas from 3% to regional average of 7 % and bam, done. 

Oil and the banks are fighting tooth and nail against it.

If the State raises the oil and natural gas tax, they'll just pick up their wells and move to a different state with lower taxes.  Free market, baby!  That's how resource extraction works!


Yup. And now they're too busy trying to double tax wind energy to subsidize oil and gas...
 
2018-03-14 10:02:11 AM  

thehobbes: Yup. And now they're too busy trying to double tax wind energy to subsidize oil and gas...


No way.  A free market capitalist would never pick winners and losers like that.
 
2018-03-14 10:03:20 AM  

starsrift: I just thought it would be interesting to look up how much an OK State Rep makes, by comparison. About the same, 38k.


Is there not a daily stipend thing that bumps that right up?

I don't know why I think that.
 
2018-03-14 10:03:27 AM  
Hey guy: go get farked.

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2018-03-14 10:03:36 AM  

starsrift: I just thought it would be interesting to look up how much an OK State Rep makes, by comparison. About the same, 38k.


And what inevitably happens is either they must ask for constant donations or they make enough money to not need the income. Either way, it creates a barrier of entry for poorer people.
 
2018-03-14 10:04:15 AM  
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2018-03-14 10:04:57 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Nadie_AZ: An Arizona teacher posted this last night:

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Can we please stop pretending that taxes are all bad, pay our teachers handsomely and get back to educating our kids so they can "make America great" or whatever?

Republicans don't love children. They love fetuses.


You've got it wrong, they do love children. They're little consumers that will grow up to be babby factories and soldier that help protect rich people's profits by fighting useless wars. There's just so many of them, that few tens of thousands dying isn't very relevant. Besides you have to cull the weak to get the best soldiers and babby factories.
 
2018-03-14 10:05:29 AM  

ImOscar: Hey guy: go get farked.

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 Those look like they were in use when I was I  high school. And I graduated in 01.
 
2018-03-14 10:08:04 AM  

Nadie_AZ: starsrift: I just thought it would be interesting to look up how much an OK State Rep makes, by comparison. About the same, 38k.

And what inevitably happens is either they must ask for constant donations or they make enough money to not need the income. Either way, it creates a barrier of entry for poorer people.


Yup. Mostly private business owners, bankers, realtors, etc.

Fun fact: My OK State Senator is going on a voluntary Naval Reserve deployment for 12 months as a liaison for NATO and keeping full benefits, staff, and salary. He'll miss the entire legislative session.
 
2018-03-14 10:11:16 AM  
"Taken out of context" is Republican for "accidentally honest."

As in, "I forgot to lie about my moronic views, so my comments were taken out of context."
 
2018-03-14 10:13:44 AM  
Can't they get more money from the Feds for teachers? You know, more subsidization by the liberal states?
 
2018-03-14 10:14:25 AM  
As a teacher of thirty (30) years,I empathize with these teachers. One does not become a teacher to "get rich". Most do it because of the intrinsic rewards the job provides,sometimes not so much. Unless you're in the profession or have been, y'all have know idea what goes on in an average school day.
 
2018-03-14 10:16:35 AM  

ImOscar: Hey guy: go get farked.

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In a way, it's actually kind of poetic. What better way to learn about a worn, torn, and tattered nation than with a set of worn, torn, and tattered textbooks?
 
2018-03-14 10:17:03 AM  

Cache: Education causes 2 serious problems for the 1%.
1. Education leads to critical thinking which leads to progressives.
2. Education uses tax dollars that could go toward more mansions.

The Republican Party serves the 1% above all. Education is not their friend.


Your name is the name of the school district, and I haven't had coffee.
 
2018-03-14 10:17:04 AM  

SoFlaNative52: As a teacher of thirty (30) years,I empathize with these teachers. One does not become a teacher to "get rich". Most do it because of the intrinsic rewards the job provides,sometimes not so much. Unless you're in the profession or have been, y'all have know idea what goes on in an average school day.


I hope you don't teach English... : []
 
2018-03-14 10:21:07 AM  

Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: The Oklahoma state legislature is a joke.


Yokel-homa.
 
2018-03-14 10:21:18 AM  

Aquapope: thehobbes: SpaceyCat: Ya know, there is a fairly easy way to fix the lack of money to pay people - raise taxes.  But that means getting people to put their money where their mouth is.

It is Oklahoma. Just raise the gross production tax on oil and natural gas from 3% to regional average of 7 % and bam, done. 

Oil and the banks are fighting tooth and nail against it.

If the State raises the oil and natural gas tax, they'll just pick up their wells and move to a different state with lower taxes.  Free market, baby!  That's how resource extraction works!


Don't laugh but that have all but tried to say that.  If taxes go up they leave.
 
2018-03-14 10:21:45 AM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: ImOscar: Hey guy: go get farked.

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In a way, it's actually kind of poetic. What better way to learn about a worn, torn, and tattered nation than with a set of worn, torn, and tattered textbooks?


As far as visual metaphors go, it's hard to top.
 
2018-03-14 10:24:16 AM  
But surely their low pay is balanced out by the opportunity to live in a red state paradise, right?
 
2018-03-14 10:24:35 AM  

xtalman: Aquapope: thehobbes: SpaceyCat: Ya know, there is a fairly easy way to fix the lack of money to pay people - raise taxes.  But that means getting people to put their money where their mouth is.

It is Oklahoma. Just raise the gross production tax on oil and natural gas from 3% to regional average of 7 % and bam, done. 

Oil and the banks are fighting tooth and nail against it.

If the State raises the oil and natural gas tax, they'll just pick up their wells and move to a different state with lower taxes.  Free market, baby!  That's how resource extraction works!

Don't laugh but that have all but tried to say that.  If taxes go up they leave.


The big oil companies don't care and are okay with the pay hike. They want educated workers.

It is the little startup boom/bust oil companies funneling money into keeping the GPT down. 

SoFlaNative52: One does not become a teacher to "get rich". Most do it because of the intrinsic rewards the job provides,sometimes not so much.


Honestly I dig the summers off...
 
2018-03-14 10:27:56 AM  
I will give $1 American folding money to the first "reporter" to ask a politician that claims something was taken out of context to place their clearly unedited, uninterrupted statement in context.
 
2018-03-14 10:29:12 AM  

Mithiwithi: Aquapope: thehobbes: SpaceyCat: Ya know, there is a fairly easy way to fix the lack of money to pay people - raise taxes.  But that means getting people to put their money where their mouth is.

It is Oklahoma. Just raise the gross production tax on oil and natural gas from 3% to regional average of 7 % and bam, done.
Oil and the banks are fighting tooth and nail against it.

If the State raises the oil and natural gas tax, they'll just pick up their wells and move to a different state with lower taxes.  Free market, baby!  That's how resource extraction works!

Hah! Well, in theory it's possible to raise tax rates on resource extraction to the point that it's unprofitable in a given region, but I doubt Oklahoma's taxes are even remotely near that point except for maybe the most marginal wells. (And if they're that marginal, it's fine to leave that oil and gas in the ground until they're expensive enough to be profitable even with the taxes. Defer the environmental cost to when it's worth it.)


Interesting thing is that originally they dropped the taxes because fracking was experimental and the costs were high.  Now I think the cost of a barrel has to be in the $25-30.00 range because they have been able to cut the over cost of extraction down.  So now even if they price dropped again they still would be making money.  Asshats....
 
2018-03-14 10:29:16 AM  

dickfreckle: Rep. Coody is an ignorant, swinesucking cockbag. Hey wait, you're taking taking that out of context.


His wife had the seat before he did, and she was awful.  I had to restrain my wife from throttling her in Taco Mayo one night.
 
2018-03-14 10:31:04 AM  

Lady J: starsrift: I just thought it would be interesting to look up how much an OK State Rep makes, by comparison. About the same, 38k.

Is there not a daily stipend thing that bumps that right up?

I don't know why I think that.


Yes, $156 per diem. Which makes their total compensation around $95k.
 
2018-03-14 10:33:05 AM  

Nadie_AZ: starsrift: I just thought it would be interesting to look up how much an OK State Rep makes, by comparison. About the same, 38k.

And what inevitably happens is either they must ask for constant donations or they make enough money to not need the income. Either way, it creates a barrier of entry for poorer people.


Well, campaign finance reform is another topic, all together. I was just more impressed that they weren't paying themselves the wages they claim they can't afford to pay teachers.

/ oh look, there's a bar lying on the ground
 
2018-03-14 10:42:45 AM  

RadiomanATL: Lady J: starsrift: I just thought it would be interesting to look up how much an OK State Rep makes, by comparison. About the same, 38k.

Is there not a daily stipend thing that bumps that right up?

I don't know why I think that.

Yes, $156 per diem. Which makes their total compensation around $95k.


Sessions can't last longer than 160 days, so the per diem would get them another $24,960.
Add that to the $38K salary, and you get $62,960.

Not $95K, but still pretty damned good for 5 months on the job.
 
2018-03-14 10:49:39 AM  

give me doughnuts: RadiomanATL: Lady J: starsrift: I just thought it would be interesting to look up how much an OK State Rep makes, by comparison. About the same, 38k.

Is there not a daily stipend thing that bumps that right up?

I don't know why I think that.

Yes, $156 per diem. Which makes their total compensation around $95k.

Sessions can't last longer than 160 days, so the per diem would get them another $24,960.
Add that to the $38K salary, and you get $62,960.

Not $95K, but still pretty damned good for 5 months on the job.


You're probably right. My quick and dirty searching didn't indicate if it was only for the session or for every day in the year.

But still, $38k for teachers, $62K for legislators.
 
2018-03-14 10:52:49 AM  
Won't more tax cuts help this situation?
 
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