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2018-03-13 11:58:37 AM  
So, 50 year old dude has another 14 years of a sentence, but instead spends the next 23 years in freedom before returning to prison at age 73?  I'm not sure that guy made all the right choices in his life, but I see the logic in that one.
 
2018-03-13 01:07:42 PM  
Florida for once does something un-Flordia like
 
2018-03-13 01:08:24 PM  
Getting imprisoned near 70, that's now my new retirement plan.
 
2018-03-13 01:11:06 PM  
I thought they let Tommy Chong out of prison already :)
 
2018-03-13 01:11:38 PM  

hi13760: Getting imprisoned near 70, that's now my new retirement plan.


I got a plane ticket to Norway to sweeten the deal. Those prisons make my dorm room look like a gulag.
 
2018-03-13 01:12:08 PM  
This story also requires an "obvious" tag.
 
2018-03-13 01:12:16 PM  
So Florida Man is originally from New Jersey? It all makes senses now.
 
2018-03-13 01:15:11 PM  
Wow, this guy looks like my Jr High Earth Science teacher and he has the same last name. What are the odds of that?  I would say pretty good. When he taught it was on Long Island. Not far from Jersey and lots of ex NY'ers wind up in FLA.
 
2018-03-13 01:20:29 PM  
Stay thirsty, my friends.
 
2018-03-13 01:26:24 PM  

hi13760: Getting imprisoned near 70, that's now my new retirement plan.


It's the best health care and housing plan available.
 
2018-03-13 01:26:36 PM  
He hasn't been a problem for 23 years.  Why spend the money to incarcerate him at this point?  Seems like a huge waste of resources for a 1991 drug pinch.

Heck, just the cost to extradite him.  Two officers (at a minimum), cost of a plane ticket, court costs, then feeding, housing, and medical care.
 
2018-03-13 01:29:53 PM  

Cdr.Murdock: He hasn't been a problem for 23 years.  Why spend the money to incarcerate him at this point?  Seems like a huge waste of resources for a 1991 drug pinch.

Heck, just the cost to extradite him.  Two officers (at a minimum), cost of a plane ticket, court costs, then feeding, housing, and medical care.


No one is above the law...except rich people.
 
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2018-03-13 01:38:46 PM  

Cdr.Murdock: He hasn't been a problem for 23 years.  Why spend the money to incarcerate him at this point?  Seems like a huge waste of resources for a 1991 drug pinch.

Heck, just the cost to extradite him.  Two officers (at a minimum), cost of a plane ticket, court costs, then feeding, housing, and medical care.


We don't know that he hasn't been a problem for 23 years. We only know that he hasn't been arrested or come under enough scrutiny to be discovered in that time.

Given that he was a drug dealer it wouldn't exactly be a surprise if he got back into that business. He could well have been involved in the distribution/smuggling side, given where they finally found him.
 
2018-03-13 01:41:16 PM  
The US Marshals, 'We always get our man..... eventually'
 
2018-03-13 01:51:58 PM  
If I were an escaped convict, I would probably wear my hair and facial hair differently from my mugshot from two decades ago.  That might make it a bit harder to identify me, especially since I was arrested before DNA evidence became commonplace and so they may not have my DNA on file.
 
2018-03-13 01:55:09 PM  

guestguy: Cdr.Murdock: He hasn't been a problem for 23 years.  Why spend the money to incarcerate him at this point?  Seems like a huge waste of resources for a 1991 drug pinch.

Heck, just the cost to extradite him.  Two officers (at a minimum), cost of a plane ticket, court costs, then feeding, housing, and medical care.

No one is above the law...except rich people.


Yeah, you kinda got a point, there.

Lots of people here know I'm a pig.  I work my last shift Sunday.  Just had my fill of it.  It's not for me any more.  I've also worked as a probation officer for 20+ years.  Helped a lot of people with multiple issues (most people with substance abuse issues are dual diagnosis, and getting them the right team of treatment providers is usually the key to recovery, productive lives, and lower recidivism).

Couple of times, I've run into people in public I helped decades ago I don't even recognize, but they seem to recognize me.

That being said, and being a "part" of the system, I can say locking this guy up is a friggin' waste.  Resources better put to treatment facilities, or early childhood education.

At this point, I'm here for the pension.  I found a desk job to hide at, and I'm hoping they pass the 20 year retirement for us this year (it's 25 right now for me).  I do serve a purpose.  Someone has to push the paper around that I do, but I would much rather be in the Key's drinking Coronas and listening to my music while fishing.

Guess being in Delaware doesn't make it any easier, ya know?  It's, um DELAWARE....
 
2018-03-13 02:01:11 PM  

Cdr.Murdock: Guess being in Delaware doesn't make it any easier, ya know? It's, um DELAWARE....


Oh don't knock Delaware, it's my favorite state to drive through. Takes 23 minutes on I-95!
 
2018-03-13 02:14:17 PM  

Cdr.Murdock: He hasn't been a problem for 23 years.  Why spend the money to incarcerate him at this point?  Seems like a huge waste of resources for a 1991 drug pinch.

Heck, just the cost to extradite him.  Two officers (at a minimum), cost of a plane ticket, court costs, then feeding, housing, and medical care.


Escaped 23 years ago after six years into his sentence which would mean he was probably busted in 88-89.
I'm guessing coke since it said 'narcotics'. And since it was considered an 'epidemic' by Ronnies war on drugs, people were getting locked up for long periods for dealing coke.

I agree it's a waste if he obviously hasn't done anything in 23 years to put him on anyone's radar.

We need to know what the drug was. It would be funny to see how fast the farkers saying he should do his time would flip their opinion if he got busted for weed. They'd be masturbating all over each other to see who could defend him the most.
 
2018-03-13 02:19:43 PM  

abhorrent1: They'd be masturbating all over each other


eww.
gross
 
2018-03-13 02:25:24 PM  

abhorrent1: Cdr.Murdock: He hasn't been a problem for 23 years.  Why spend the money to incarcerate him at this point?  Seems like a huge waste of resources for a 1991 drug pinch.

Heck, just the cost to extradite him.  Two officers (at a minimum), cost of a plane ticket, court costs, then feeding, housing, and medical care.

Escaped 23 years ago after six years into his sentence which would mean he was probably busted in 88-89.
I'm guessing coke since it said 'narcotics'. And since it was considered an 'epidemic' by Ronnies war on drugs, people were getting locked up for long periods for dealing coke.

I agree it's a waste if he obviously hasn't done anything in 23 years to put him on anyone's radar.

We need to know what the drug was. It would be funny to see how fast the farkers saying he should do his time would flip their opinion if he got busted for weed. They'd be masturbating all over each other to see who could defend him the most.


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2018-03-13 02:33:34 PM  

Cdr.Murdock: guestguy: Cdr.Murdock: He hasn't been a problem for 23 years.  Why spend the money to incarcerate him at this point?  Seems like a huge waste of resources for a 1991 drug pinch.

Heck, just the cost to extradite him.  Two officers (at a minimum), cost of a plane ticket, court costs, then feeding, housing, and medical care.

No one is above the law...except rich people.

Yeah, you kinda got a point, there.

Lots of people here know I'm a pig.  I work my last shift Sunday.  Just had my fill of it.  It's not for me any more.  I've also worked as a probation officer for 20+ years.  Helped a lot of people with multiple issues (most people with substance abuse issues are dual diagnosis, and getting them the right team of treatment providers is usually the key to recovery, productive lives, and lower recidivism).

Couple of times, I've run into people in public I helped decades ago I don't even recognize, but they seem to recognize me.

That being said, and being a "part" of the system, I can say locking this guy up is a friggin' waste.  Resources better put to treatment facilities, or early childhood education.

At this point, I'm here for the pension.  I found a desk job to hide at, and I'm hoping they pass the 20 year retirement for us this year (it's 25 right now for me).  I do serve a purpose.  Someone has to push the paper around that I do, but I would much rather be in the Key's drinking Coronas and listening to my music while fishing.

Guess being in Delaware doesn't make it any easier, ya know?  It's, um DELAWARE....


WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T GO FOR THAT ONE LAST BUST WITH THE TROUBLED ROOKIE!!!!
 
2018-03-13 02:43:17 PM  
So he'd be out by now.
 
2018-03-13 02:47:57 PM  
Why were they even still looking for this dude?
I know it's been said in this thread already, but I'm going to say it to.

What a stupid farking waste of time and resources.  Drug charges?  He probably shouldn't have been locked up to start with.  (Stupid war on drugs.)  And he is obviously no danger to anyone at all.  In fact he's been living totally clean and under the radar for 23 years.  Hasn't cost anyone a dime.
Now, we in NJ are going to pay a few million to have him shipped up here, sentenced, and sent to jail.  And then we can pay for him to survive, and his aging medical care.  Yay!!!

That is just absolutely moronic.

The idiots that followed through with this should be fired.
 
2018-03-13 02:53:08 PM  

durbnpoisn: Why were they even still looking for this dude?
I know it's been said in this thread already, but I'm going to say it to.

What a stupid farking waste of time and resources.  Drug charges?  He probably shouldn't have been locked up to start with.  (Stupid war on drugs.)  And he is obviously no danger to anyone at all.  In fact he's been living totally clean and under the radar for 23 years.  Hasn't cost anyone a dime.
Now, we in NJ are going to pay a few million to have him shipped up here, sentenced, and sent to jail.  And then we can pay for him to survive, and his aging medical care.  Yay!!!

That is just absolutely moronic.

The idiots that followed through with this should be fired.


So CEOs caught embezzling and causing economic bubbles, etc shouldn't be charged if they got away with it for extended periods of time?

Or perhaps you can accept that the law should apply to everyone equally, and not just to things you personally (dis)approve of?
 
2018-03-13 02:58:28 PM  

durbnpoisn: Why were they even still looking for this dude?



I'm not a cop but I don't think they "actively" look for people like this after a certain amount of time.
At some point I'd bet they just kinda sit wait for an AFIS hit or DNA match or something.

It said they got a tip. If I had to bet, I'd put my money on a disgruntled girlfriend
 
2018-03-13 03:04:16 PM  

abhorrent1: Cdr.Murdock: He hasn't been a problem for 23 years.  Why spend the money to incarcerate him at this point?  Seems like a huge waste of resources for a 1991 drug pinch.

Heck, just the cost to extradite him.  Two officers (at a minimum), cost of a plane ticket, court costs, then feeding, housing, and medical care.

Escaped 23 years ago after six years into his sentence which would mean he was probably busted in 88-89.
I'm guessing coke since it said 'narcotics'. And since it was considered an 'epidemic' by Ronnies war on drugs, people were getting locked up for long periods for dealing coke.

I agree it's a waste if he obviously hasn't done anything in 23 years to put him on anyone's radar.

We need to know what the drug was. It would be funny to see how fast the farkers saying he should do his time would flip their opinion if he got busted for weed. They'd be masturbating all over each other to see who could defend him the most.


I still want to find out if this guy was my science teacher circa 1980 or so on Long Island. Name and face matches.
 
2018-03-13 03:15:28 PM  
At age 73, escaping after committing a non-violent crime and living for 23 years, it just does not seem worth the trouble to incarcerate him.
 
2018-03-13 03:28:43 PM  
Previously...on "Justified".
 
2018-03-13 03:44:31 PM  

kendelrio: Cdr.Murdock: guestguy: Cdr.Murdock: He hasn't been a problem for 23 years.  Why spend the money to incarcerate him at this point?  Seems like a huge waste of resources for a 1991 drug pinch.

Heck, just the cost to extradite him.  Two officers (at a minimum), cost of a plane ticket, court costs, then feeding, housing, and medical care.

No one is above the law...except rich people.

Yeah, you kinda got a point, there.

Lots of people here know I'm a pig.  I work my last shift Sunday.  Just had my fill of it.  It's not for me any more.  I've also worked as a probation officer for 20+ years.  Helped a lot of people with multiple issues (most people with substance abuse issues are dual diagnosis, and getting them the right team of treatment providers is usually the key to recovery, productive lives, and lower recidivism).

Couple of times, I've run into people in public I helped decades ago I don't even recognize, but they seem to recognize me.

That being said, and being a "part" of the system, I can say locking this guy up is a friggin' waste.  Resources better put to treatment facilities, or early childhood education.

At this point, I'm here for the pension.  I found a desk job to hide at, and I'm hoping they pass the 20 year retirement for us this year (it's 25 right now for me).  I do serve a purpose.  Someone has to push the paper around that I do, but I would much rather be in the Key's drinking Coronas and listening to my music while fishing.

Guess being in Delaware doesn't make it any easier, ya know?  It's, um DELAWARE....

WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T GO FOR THAT ONE LAST BUST WITH THE TROUBLED ROOKIE!!!!


I'm hiding in the friggin' conference room the whole time!
 
2018-03-13 04:36:57 PM  

Carousel Beast: durbnpoisn: Why were they even still looking for this dude?
I know it's been said in this thread already, but I'm going to say it to.

What a stupid farking waste of time and resources.  Drug charges?  He probably shouldn't have been locked up to start with.  (Stupid war on drugs.)  And he is obviously no danger to anyone at all.  In fact he's been living totally clean and under the radar for 23 years.  Hasn't cost anyone a dime.
Now, we in NJ are going to pay a few million to have him shipped up here, sentenced, and sent to jail.  And then we can pay for him to survive, and his aging medical care.  Yay!!!

That is just absolutely moronic.

The idiots that followed through with this should be fired.

So CEOs caught embezzling and causing economic bubbles, etc shouldn't be charged if they got away with it for extended periods of time?

Or perhaps you can accept that the law should apply to everyone equally, and not just to things you personally (dis)approve of?


Yes.  It's a matter of my disapproving and nothing more.  In this case, it's an obvious waste of time.

How do we go about determining what is such an obvious waste of time?  I don't know.  But this one was an obvious waste of time.
 
2018-03-13 06:04:44 PM  

durbnpoisn: Carousel Beast: durbnpoisn: Why were they even still looking for this dude?
I know it's been said in this thread already, but I'm going to say it to.

What a stupid farking waste of time and resources.  Drug charges?  He probably shouldn't have been locked up to start with.  (Stupid war on drugs.)  And he is obviously no danger to anyone at all.  In fact he's been living totally clean and under the radar for 23 years.  Hasn't cost anyone a dime.
Now, we in NJ are going to pay a few million to have him shipped up here, sentenced, and sent to jail.  And then we can pay for him to survive, and his aging medical care.  Yay!!!

That is just absolutely moronic.

The idiots that followed through with this should be fired.

So CEOs caught embezzling and causing economic bubbles, etc shouldn't be charged if they got away with it for extended periods of time?

Or perhaps you can accept that the law should apply to everyone equally, and not just to things you personally (dis)approve of?

Yes.  It's a matter of my disapproving and nothing more.  In this case, it's an obvious waste of time.

How do we go about determining what is such an obvious waste of time?  I don't know.  But this one was an obvious waste of time.


We don't know it was a waste of time.  Abhorrent1 is probably right.  It was probably a file that was cold for years, decades, and went hot all of a sudden. Usually a tip off.  Unless this guy is public enemy no. 1 or some serious threat to the public (like a serial killer), the cops probably don't waste having the same investigator on one guy's trail for decades.

As for others going, oh why bother? Regardless of the crime, he was already convicted, serving time and escaped.  We don't go "oh it was too long ago, forget about it".  That kind of would send the wrong message to people who are serving time currently.
 
2018-03-13 08:23:17 PM  

SirEattonHogg: durbnpoisn: Carousel Beast: durbnpoisn: Why were they even still looking for this dude?
I know it's been said in this thread already, but I'm going to say it to.

What a stupid farking waste of time and resources.  Drug charges?  He probably shouldn't have been locked up to start with.  (Stupid war on drugs.)  And he is obviously no danger to anyone at all.  In fact he's been living totally clean and under the radar for 23 years.  Hasn't cost anyone a dime.
Now, we in NJ are going to pay a few million to have him shipped up here, sentenced, and sent to jail.  And then we can pay for him to survive, and his aging medical care.  Yay!!!

That is just absolutely moronic.

The idiots that followed through with this should be fired.

So CEOs caught embezzling and causing economic bubbles, etc shouldn't be charged if they got away with it for extended periods of time?

Or perhaps you can accept that the law should apply to everyone equally, and not just to things you personally (dis)approve of?

Yes.  It's a matter of my disapproving and nothing more.  In this case, it's an obvious waste of time.

How do we go about determining what is such an obvious waste of time?  I don't know.  But this one was an obvious waste of time.

We don't know it was a waste of time.  Abhorrent1 is probably right.  It was probably a file that was cold for years, decades, and went hot all of a sudden. Usually a tip off.  Unless this guy is public enemy no. 1 or some serious threat to the public (like a serial killer), the cops probably don't waste having the same investigator on one guy's trail for decades.

As for others going, oh why bother? Regardless of the crime, he was already convicted, serving time and escaped.  We don't go "oh it was too long ago, forget about it".  That kind of would send the wrong message to people who are serving time currently.


No, it really wouldn't send the wrong message at all.

"Escape so we don't have to feed or house you, keep your nose clean for the next 10 years or so, and we're not going to bother bringing you back if we happen to find you after that."

Yeah, I'm not seeing the slightest problem with sending that message.  That's actually a really good message to send, one we should probably work on sending.
 
2018-03-14 01:46:27 AM  
I feel safer
 
2018-03-14 09:33:20 AM  

DarkVader: SirEattonHogg: durbnpoisn: Carousel Beast: durbnpoisn: Why were they even still looking for this dude?
I know it's been said in this thread already, but I'm going to say it to.

What a stupid farking waste of time and resources.  Drug charges?  He probably shouldn't have been locked up to start with.  (Stupid war on drugs.)  And he is obviously no danger to anyone at all.  In fact he's been living totally clean and under the radar for 23 years.  Hasn't cost anyone a dime.
Now, we in NJ are going to pay a few million to have him shipped up here, sentenced, and sent to jail.  And then we can pay for him to survive, and his aging medical care.  Yay!!!

That is just absolutely moronic.

The idiots that followed through with this should be fired.

So CEOs caught embezzling and causing economic bubbles, etc shouldn't be charged if they got away with it for extended periods of time?

Or perhaps you can accept that the law should apply to everyone equally, and not just to things you personally (dis)approve of?

Yes.  It's a matter of my disapproving and nothing more.  In this case, it's an obvious waste of time.

How do we go about determining what is such an obvious waste of time?  I don't know.  But this one was an obvious waste of time.

We don't know it was a waste of time.  Abhorrent1 is probably right.  It was probably a file that was cold for years, decades, and went hot all of a sudden. Usually a tip off.  Unless this guy is public enemy no. 1 or some serious threat to the public (like a serial killer), the cops probably don't waste having the same investigator on one guy's trail for decades.

As for others going, oh why bother? Regardless of the crime, he was already convicted, serving time and escaped.  We don't go "oh it was too long ago, forget about it".  That kind of would send the wrong message to people who are serving time currently.

No, it really wouldn't send the wrong message at all.

"Escape so we don't have to feed or house you, keep your nose clean f ...


Well, yeah...  That IS essentially what I was saying.
 
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