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(New York Daily News)   Daily News finally notices, 20 years after everybody else, that New York City's ticket cameras are for revenue rather than safety   ( nydailynews.com) divider line
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2018-03-13 02:04:43 PM  
Not ju$t ticket camera$ but moving violation ticket$ in general. It'$ all about the buck$.
 
2018-03-13 02:26:02 PM  

John Buck 41: Not ju$t ticket camera$ but moving violation ticket$ in general. It'$ all about the buck$.


Most of what the police do, honestly.
 
2018-03-13 02:28:58 PM  
I don't live in New York, but I recently received a traffic camera ticket for doing a "California stop" on a right turn during a red light....and the cars to my right were doing a left turn.

/That intersection needs a right turn arrow.
 
2018-03-13 02:51:44 PM  
If it were about Justice all you people would just be handing over your full paychecks to the government anyway.
 
2018-03-13 02:58:26 PM  

RedPhoenix122: John Buck 41: Not ju$t ticket camera$ but moving violation ticket$ in general. It'$ all about the buck$.

Most of what the police do, honestly.


In automotive enthusiast circles, they're typically known as "road goons" or "pirate scum."  Not to belittle their profession, but rather their petty actions.
 
2018-03-13 02:58:40 PM  
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2018-03-13 03:00:07 PM  

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2018-03-13 03:02:56 PM  
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the REAL Cpt Obvious...agrees.
 
2018-03-13 03:03:45 PM  
We had these stupid things in Missouri....not anymore (at least in my hometown).
The way they tried to get around the Constitution, was by making them a CIVIL penalty,
not a CRIMINAL penalty.  "Don't worry, your insurance agent won't know...no points involved,
just a fine that you simply mail or go online to pay".
Well, a retired police officer challenged them in court.  Our cameras took a photo of the BACK
of your car, you could not tell who was driving.  He challenged it on the basis it violated the
Constitution.  He said there was no proof he was actually operating the vehicle, and, there
was no way to face his accuser in court (among other things).  Within 6 months, ALL of those
stupid things were gone!  It was also shown, they shortened the yellow light time as well.
The city, tried to say they were evening out all of the yellows to a standardized time.  Yeah right!
 
2018-03-13 03:04:16 PM  
NYC, not necessarily the rest of the country, needs more Red Light Cameras.  I see people blowing through red lights every single day. Just an hour ago I was out running some errands.  A woman ran the red at the corner of Broadway and Chambers St. so egregiously that she had to honk at the people already crossing on the far side of the intersection.  Happens every day.  If you can't get people to behave in a civilized manner, you have to fine them over and over again.  And, particularly here, what does running a red get you besides 150 feet to the next light?

I hope the state bill described gets traction whereby if you accumulate too many of these tickets the registration of the vehicle gets suspended.  Then you can arrest the person and impound the car if they get pulled over.  They can't take a license away or put points on a license b/c it's unknown if the owner is actually the driver.
 
2018-03-13 03:04:17 PM  

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2018-03-13 03:04:34 PM  

arcgear: RedPhoenix122: John Buck 41: Not ju$t ticket camera$ but moving violation ticket$ in general. It'$ all about the buck$.

Most of what the police do, honestly.

In automotive enthusiast circles, they're typically known as "road goons" or "pirate scum."  Not to belittle their profession, but rather their petty actions.


I like to call them the "Kings Tax Collectors"
 
2018-03-13 03:06:11 PM  

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2018-03-13 03:09:29 PM  

John Buck 41: Not ju$t ticket camera$ but moving violation ticket$ in general. It'$ all about the buck$.


Is your s key broken?
 
2018-03-13 03:13:20 PM  
I actually killed off red light cameras while the city was in the middle of negotiating contracts where I used to live. I pointed out a that it would be trivial to set the camera up to hold a red light if it detected a vehicle in the intersection during the "all red" phase of lights. They don't do this. Given that, they weren't a safety device and the manufacturer had no interest in safety, just money. I then pointed out the possible liability the city then faced from accidents. Why? Because they had a device that actively knew there was a car in the intersection, actively took an action in response (taking a photo/triggering a flash), but did nothing to actually mediate the conditions that lead to the accident. I of course did this all in a way that is public record.
 
2018-03-13 03:16:04 PM  
Is there a reason the NYPD can't use one of these for unpaid moving violations the same way they do for unpaid parking tickets?
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2018-03-13 03:16:30 PM  

dbialac: I actually killed off red light cameras while the city was in the middle of negotiating contracts where I used to live. I pointed out a that it would be trivial to set the camera up to hold a red light if it detected a vehicle in the intersection during the "all red" phase of lights. They don't do this. Given that, they weren't a safety device and the manufacturer had no interest in safety, just money. I then pointed out the possible liability the city then faced from accidents. Why? Because they had a device that actively knew there was a car in the intersection, actively took an action in response (taking a photo/triggering a flash), but did nothing to actually mediate the conditions that lead to the accident. I of course did this all in a way that is public record.


And I forgot to mention: I also told them if they were interested in safety, they should put up crossing gates like what you find at railroad crossings.
 
2018-03-13 03:27:10 PM  
When I first moved to the state, I got one of these "tickets" in the mail. I paid it. Come to find out, lots of the people who get them don't pay them, there was even a news story about that. Since the person is not identified by person, there is no accountability, plus it does not rack up fines or charges. At least the cameras in this state are contracted to a third party, and the city was successfully sued to remove most of the cameras as a cash grab by the state. I've seen, in Britain, where they are frequently barbequed, some pics can be seen here.
 
2018-03-13 03:28:57 PM  

dbialac: dbialac: I actually killed off red light cameras while the city was in the middle of negotiating contracts where I used to live. I pointed out a that it would be trivial to set the camera up to hold a red light if it detected a vehicle in the intersection during the "all red" phase of lights. They don't do this. Given that, they weren't a safety device and the manufacturer had no interest in safety, just money. I then pointed out the possible liability the city then faced from accidents. Why? Because they had a device that actively knew there was a car in the intersection, actively took an action in response (taking a photo/triggering a flash), but did nothing to actually mediate the conditions that lead to the accident. I of course did this all in a way that is public record.

And I forgot to mention: I also told them if they were interested in safety, they should put up crossing gates like what you find at railroad crossings.


My town still has multiple train tracks that do not have gates.  And this is in well traveled areas in the middle of the city.

Meanwhile they also added pedestrian crossing on Main street between traffic lights and did not place any signs, lights, or warnings.  What they did do was add trees to the center islands that prevent people from seeing if anyone is on the island waiting to cross...

People are pretty stupid when it comes to safety.  If I ever lose my job I plan to just keep crossing main street until I get hit and sue the city.
 
2018-03-13 03:37:43 PM  
It's not that they're just noticing, it's that they're actually trying to prove it.  Of course they're for the money.  But showing that the city didn't even bother to set up more severe punishments for frequent offenders does go a long way to show they don't give a hoot about changing bad driving habits.
 
2018-03-13 03:43:45 PM  
We had some "citizen" here on Long Island that went around to the local red light camera's and vandalized them. He claimed it was about the county getting revenue and not safety.

He eventually got caught, was released and he went and did it again a few more times. Some people called him a hero and then some people started tallying up the costs for repairs that us tax-payers had to pay for...
 
2018-03-13 03:46:34 PM  
It's worth noting, as far as I can tell, school zones aren't marked in NYC. In fact, there are no speed limit signs in the city at all.
 
2018-03-13 03:47:12 PM  

dbialac: I actually killed off red light cameras while the city was in the middle of negotiating contracts where I used to live. I pointed out a that it would be trivial to set the camera up to hold a red light if it detected a vehicle in the intersection during the "all red" phase of lights. They don't do this. Given that, they weren't a safety device and the manufacturer had no interest in safety, just money. I then pointed out the possible liability the city then faced from accidents. Why? Because they had a device that actively knew there was a car in the intersection, actively took an action in response (taking a photo/triggering a flash), but did nothing to actually mediate the conditions that lead to the accident. I of course did this all in a way that is public record.


That's good logic, right there.  Wish someone would do that in my town.  Though I'd be shocked if it worked.  I'm talking about Chicago.  Even if it did work, they'd find another way to milk us to keep from ever having to cut a cent of government spending.

That said, it only works on red lights, not speed cameras.
 
2018-03-13 03:58:57 PM  

rjakobi: John Buck 41: Not ju$t ticket camera$ but moving violation ticket$ in general. It'$ all about the buck$.

Is your s key broken?


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2018-03-13 04:03:01 PM  

steklo: We had some "citizen" here on Long Island that went around to the local red light camera's and vandalized them. He claimed it was about the county getting revenue and not safety.

He eventually got caught, was released and he went and did it again a few more times. Some people called him a hero and then some people started tallying up the costs for repairs that us tax-payers had to pay for...


He's a hero.

Also, the repairs you should be paying for is the removal of the scameras.  They're the problem, not the hero dealing with them.
 
2018-03-13 04:05:10 PM  

dbialac: I actually killed off red light cameras while the city was in the middle of negotiating contracts where I used to live. I pointed out a that it would be trivial to set the camera up to hold a red light if it detected a vehicle in the intersection during the "all red" phase of lights. They don't do this. Given that, they weren't a safety device and the manufacturer had no interest in safety, just money. I then pointed out the possible liability the city then faced from accidents. Why? Because they had a device that actively knew there was a car in the intersection, actively took an action in response (taking a photo/triggering a flash), but did nothing to actually mediate the conditions that lead to the accident. I of course did this all in a way that is public record.


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2018-03-13 04:16:42 PM  
This will soon all be a thing of the past when autonomous vehicles take over all urban traffic. The cities will have to find a new revenue stream other than traffic fines and parking tickets.
 
2018-03-13 04:18:33 PM  

steklo: He eventually got caught, was released and he went and did it again a few more times. Some people called him a hero and then some people started tallying up the costs for repairs that us tax-payers had to pay for...


Hey, the citizens usually have to pay for repairs when a hero fights against a great evil....just look at the comic books, you think Metropolis fixes itself?

/He's not the hero you need
//he's the hero you deserve
 
2018-03-13 04:20:46 PM  

wax_on: This will soon all be a thing of the past when autonomous vehicles take over all urban traffic. The cities will have to find a new revenue stream other than traffic fines and parking tickets.


Yep.  After self driving cars become the norm, see other taxes and fees start to pop up everywhere due to lack of fines from moving violations and highway drug busts.
 
2018-03-13 04:25:14 PM  

steklo: We had some "citizen" here on Long Island that went around to the local red light camera's and vandalized them. He claimed it was about the county getting revenue and not safety.

He eventually got caught, was released and he went and did it again a few more times. Some people called him a hero and then some people started tallying up the costs for repairs that us tax-payers had to pay for...


I was amazed when they actually took down the ridiculous school zone cameras in Nassau that only lasted for a year. I guess the "how am I supposed to watch for children when I'm staring at my speedometer?" argument held up in court.
 
2018-03-13 04:27:54 PM  

p51d007: We had these stupid things in Missouri....not anymore (at least in my hometown).
The way they tried to get around the Constitution, was by making them a CIVIL penalty,
not a CRIMINAL penalty.  "Don't worry, your insurance agent won't know...no points involved,
just a fine that you simply mail or go online to pay".
Well, a retired police officer challenged them in court.  Our cameras took a photo of the BACK
of your car, you could not tell who was driving.  He challenged it on the basis it violated the
Constitution.  He said there was no proof he was actually operating the vehicle, and, there
was no way to face his accuser in court (among other things).  Within 6 months, ALL of those
stupid things were gone!  It was also shown, they shortened the yellow light time as well.
The city, tried to say they were evening out all of the yellows to a standardized time.  Yeah right!


Fremont, CA also convienently shortened the yellow light when installing red light cameras.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/51/​5​144.asp
 
2018-03-13 04:37:54 PM  
I wonder how all the police departments across the country will make their money when the overwhelming majority of cars on the road are self-driving cars?

I just know that there will be countless cases of traffic police ticketing self-driving cars despite the fact that those cars will have a ton of onboard recordings on their hardrive that proove they didn't break the law.

/In the cases where self-driving cars are actually at fault, do the police ticket the owner, or the company that programmed the car's AI to break the law?
 
2018-03-13 04:54:58 PM  

darklingscribe: I wonder how all the police departments across the country will make their money when the overwhelming majority of cars on the road are self-driving cars?

I just know that there will be countless cases of traffic police ticketing self-driving cars despite the fact that those cars will have a ton of onboard recordings on their hardrive that proove they didn't break the law.

/In the cases where self-driving cars are actually at fault, do the police ticket the owner, or the company that programmed the car's AI to break the law?


Drug seizures, prostitution stings, and any other action that allowed them to the advantage of property seizure laws.
 
2018-03-13 05:18:21 PM  

susler: NYC, not necessarily the rest of the country, needs more Red Light Cameras.  I see people blowing through red lights every single day. Just an hour ago I was out running some errands.  A woman ran the red at the corner of Broadway and Chambers St. so egregiously that she had to honk at the people already crossing on the far side of the intersection.  Happens every day.  If you can't get people to behave in a civilized manner, you have to fine them over and over again.  And, particularly here, what does running a red get you besides 150 feet to the next light?

I hope the state bill described gets traction whereby if you accumulate too many of these tickets the registration of the vehicle gets suspended.  Then you can arrest the person and impound the car if they get pulled over.  They can't take a license away or put points on a license b/c it's unknown if the owner is actually the driver.


NYC could use a similar version for pedestrians who blow their stop signal because "noone's coming"... if only there was a decent biometric to use for that.  Half the traffic in NYC is caused by pedestrians.
 
2018-03-13 06:03:46 PM  
The other idea I had, was to install remote control .50 cal machine guns that would blow the cars up.
Nope, too much damage to other vehicles.
Ok, how about a large trap door, with hydrochloric  acid in the bottom to dissolve the car and people.
Nope, too much of a smell when they dissolve.

You just can't please some people.   But, you have to admit, it would start to DECREASE the number
of #(%*@* lDIOTS running red lights :)
 
2018-03-13 06:16:02 PM  
so Ric Romero is at the Daily News now?
 
2018-03-13 11:25:19 PM  

pheelix: Is there a reason the NYPD can't use one of these for unpaid moving violations the same way they do for unpaid parking tickets?
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Because they don't want to be shot down in the streets like dogs, and even the most ardent badge licker wouldn't shed a tear if they did.
 
2018-03-14 09:48:47 AM  

Ex-Texan: When I first moved to the state, I got one of these "tickets" in the mail. I paid it. Come to find out, lots of the people who get them don't pay them, there was even a news story about that. Since the person is not identified by person, there is no accountability, plus it does not rack up fines or charges. At least the cameras in this state are contracted to a third party, and the city was successfully sued to remove most of the cameras as a cash grab by the state. I've seen, in Britain, where they are frequently barbequed, some pics can be seen here.


It's similar in Texas, or at least in the Dallas area. If a camera sees you, you'll get a letter saying you owe them money. If you don't respond, you get a second letter saying you owe more. If you still don't respond... nothing happens.

The only potential penalty is that your vehicle registration can (but not must) be denied a renewal. Problem with that is, the cameras give money to the city. The county handles registrations. County gets no money from the cameras, but they do get money from registrations, so there's no incentive for them to do anything.
 
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