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2018-03-13 01:15:59 AM  
Or just go down to the store at the intersection. If you don't have those yet, vote more.
 
2018-03-13 01:27:12 AM  
Dumbass.
 
2018-03-13 01:39:17 AM  
Unless you live in Las Vegas and own 6 plants or less... then go for it, not that I know anyone who would do such a thing
 
2018-03-13 01:46:53 AM  
Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.
 
2018-03-13 02:21:34 AM  
If they have to ask you for your permission, they don't have probable cause to enter without your consent.
 
2018-03-13 03:43:18 AM  
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2018-03-13 03:47:44 AM  

fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

 
2018-03-13 04:12:21 AM  
"...distribution of a controlled dangerous substance..."

Uh huh. About as dangerous as a cup of coffee.
 
2018-03-13 04:32:42 AM  
Never voluntarily do anything for cops.

Don't let them in without a warrant. Never answer questions without a lawyer, your lawyer, present.  Don't give them a smidgemeter.
 
2018-03-13 04:39:15 AM  
Before you let them in, make them promise not to arrest you for anything.  Then it's all inadmissible in court.  Those are the rules.
 
2018-03-13 04:50:56 AM  
To be fair, TFA says the officers heard something they took to be a person in distress. They were on a 911 domestic call, probably could/would have forced their way in on that basis. If they told him that and threatened that he would get extra charges for refusing to let them in when they had to come in anyway, I can see him giving in. Just one possible scenario.
 
2018-03-13 04:52:25 AM  

CarnySaur: Before you let them in, make them promise not to arrest you for anything.  Then it's all inadmissible in court.  Those are the rules.


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2018-03-13 05:01:21 AM  

fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.


It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.
 
2018-03-13 05:40:33 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.


So submit to warrantless searches or be beaten into a bloody pulp?
 
2018-03-13 05:41:57 AM  
Of course, if you live in civilized state where pot is legal, however... share some with them.  The nation could do well with more mellow cops.
 
2018-03-13 05:49:50 AM  

Smoking GNU: Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.

So submit to warrantless searches or be beaten into a bloody pulp?


They aren't necessarily going to beat you - but they will very likely find some legal (or illegal) excuse to search anyway. You should always politely refuse, of course, so you will have grounds to seek dismissal later - but don't physically interfere with a cop.
 
2018-03-13 05:55:08 AM  

Smoking GNU: Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.

So submit to warrantless searches or and be beaten into a bloody pulp?


It's the American way
 
2018-03-13 06:13:53 AM  

Smoking GNU: Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.

So submit to warrantless searches or be beaten into a bloody pulp, or shot to sheet and get your place searched just the same?


Yep.

The biggest misconception about the police used to be they were there to help you.  Columbine corrected that one for a lot of people and it has trickled into the collective conciousness.  Now it seems the biggest misconception is they need a warrant to come inside your house.  Reality is they don't, there are several legal reasons they can come in, with or without your consent.  In truth they only they only need a pretext.  And once they come inside, well.....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-us​a​-court-police/u-s-top-court-sides-with​-police-over-shooting-of-homeless-coup​le-idUSKBN18Q1SX

Followup
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na​-​pol-court-police-shoot-20170530-story.​html
 
2018-03-13 06:23:46 AM  

jso2897: Smoking GNU: Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.

So submit to warrantless searches or be beaten into a bloody pulp?

They aren't necessarily going to beat you - but they will very likely find some legal (or illegal) excuse to search anyway. You should always politely refuse, of course, so you will have grounds to seek dismissal later - but don't physically interfere with a cop.


It will never be dismissed.  The "exclusionary rule" that would have gotten illegally obtained evidence tossed is history.  And therefore in effect the 4th amendment is too.

 http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a​nd​_politics/jurisprudence/2014/10/police​_s_good_faith_exception_courts_keep_ex​panding_exception_that_gives.single.ht​ml
 
2018-03-13 06:35:01 AM  

martissimo: Unless you live in Las Vegas and own 6 plants or less... then go for it, not that I know anyone who would do such a thing


Massachusetts has the same deal, 12 plants if you're married
 
2018-03-13 06:45:35 AM  

NephilimNexus: Of course, if you live in civilized state where pot is legal, however... share some with them.  The nation could do well with more mellow cops.


They wouldn't be able to smoke it on the job.
 
2018-03-13 06:47:54 AM  

Farking New Guy: martissimo: Unless you live in Las Vegas and own 6 plants or less... then go for it, not that I know anyone who would do such a thing

Massachusetts has the same deal, 12 plants if you're married


So like, growing filing jointly or something?
 
2018-03-13 06:51:22 AM  

Crackpipe: "...distribution of a controlled dangerous substance..."

Uh huh. About as dangerous as a cup of coffee.


A plastic bag full of flowers vs. a ceramic mug full of hot liquid? Not even a contest, man.
 
2018-03-13 06:53:47 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: jso2897: Smoking GNU: Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.

So submit to warrantless searches or be beaten into a bloody pulp?

They aren't necessarily going to beat you - but they will very likely find some legal (or illegal) excuse to search anyway. You should always politely refuse, of course, so you will have grounds to seek dismissal later - but don't physically interfere with a cop.

It will never be dismissed.  The "exclusionary rule" that would have gotten illegally obtained evidence tossed is history.  And therefore in effect the 4th amendment is too.

 http://www.slate.com/articles/news_an​d_politics/jurisprudence/2014/10/polic​e_s_good_faith_exception_courts_keep_e​xpanding_exception_that_gives.single.h​tml


Not true. In such an interaction, simply be polite and respectful, but firm and clear that you do not to consent to a search. Also be white and have enough money to hire a good attorney. Ideally you should also know a judge or be connected to an influential politician.  Then you can be reasonably sure that any such charges will indeed be dismissed and any involved officers reprimanded. It's really that easy.
 
2018-03-13 07:18:38 AM  

lucksi: Smoking GNU: Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.

So submit to warrantless searches or and be beaten into a bloody pulp?

It's the American way


The hell it is.
 
2018-03-13 07:27:58 AM  
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2018-03-13 07:29:09 AM  
"Officers grew concerned, however, when she could not be found outside and they believed her to be inside the apartment. "


Riiiiiiiiiight...
 
2018-03-13 07:37:41 AM  
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2018-03-13 07:51:30 AM  

King Something: If they have to ask you for your permission, they don't have probable cause to enter without your consent.


The gf made the domestic dispute call, and when unable to make contact with her at the door, they can enter to make sure she's okay.  Just not a good idea to have criminal stuff in plain view from there.  That's where I'm having a problem, police found a number of electrical extension cords leading into a closet, where the marijuana was in plain view.  Yeah, I don't think so.  If the closet door was closed, it wasn't in plain view.
 
2018-03-13 07:54:55 AM  
Yes, instead resist by not complying and then get shot.
 
2018-03-13 07:59:22 AM  

Crackpipe: "...distribution of a controlled dangerous substance..."

Uh huh. About as dangerous as a cup of coffee.


And remember to stay safe out there, because there are a lot of people who think nothing of driving right after having drunk a cup of coffee or two.

http://www.kptv.com/story/29105394/ma​n​-gets-6-months-in-jail-for-dui-marijua​na-crash-that-killed-pedestrian
 
2018-03-13 08:06:30 AM  

lack of warmth: King Something: If they have to ask you for your permission, they don't have probable cause to enter without your consent.

The gf made the domestic dispute call, and when unable to make contact with her at the door, they can enter to make sure she's okay.  Just not a good idea to have criminal stuff in plain view from there.  That's where I'm having a problem, police found a number of electrical extension cords leading into a closet, where the marijuana was in plain view.  Yeah, I don't think so.  If the closet door was closed, it wasn't in plain view.


Yeah but the cops went with the "we smell pot" routine...I know how that goes. I've watch enough Cops TV to know.
 
2018-03-13 08:10:53 AM  

tirob: Crackpipe: "...distribution of a controlled dangerous substance..."

Uh huh. About as dangerous as a cup of coffee.

And remember to stay safe out there, because there are a lot of people who think nothing of driving right after having drunk a cup of coffee or two.

http://www.kptv.com/story/29105394/man​-gets-6-months-in-jail-for-dui-marijua​na-crash-that-killed-pedestrian


Depends on where the coffee comes from.  

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McDonalds coffee, back in the day.


FTA:  Prosecutors said Washington law dictates that the driver is at fault for any crash if they are under the influence of intoxicants.

Ad hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc.
 
2018-03-13 08:18:32 AM  
McDonald's still serves their coffee that hot, according to Wikipedia.
 
2018-03-13 08:19:55 AM  

Crackpipe: Uh huh. About as dangerous as a cup of coffee.


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2018-03-13 08:27:21 AM  
...police found a number of electrical extension cords leading into a closet...

Not really sure why you need more than one electrical extension cord leading into a closet. But, here's a footnote to home builders: Include sockets in closets. It's what the kids want nowadays.
 
2018-03-13 08:51:00 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Ad hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc.


"For this purpose, therefore because of this"?

What in the world are you going on about?

Oh, and coffee is usually served hot and it should be handled with care.  I think most people know this.

But as long as we're on the subject of serious burns, don't forget all those explosions and fires caused by people trying to extract caffeine from coffee beans.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/n​e​ws/courts/sd-me-hashlab-murder-2017092​6-story.html
 
2018-03-13 09:04:50 AM  

Destructor: ...police found a number of electrical extension cords leading into a closet...

Not really sure why you need more than one electrical extension cord leading into a closet. But, here's a footnote to home builders: Include sockets in closets. It's what the kids want nowadays.


At least some codes don't permit an electrical socket in closets (not sure how common that is, but I ran into it when considering making a server closet some years back).

However, it's common to have lights in closets, and quite easy to put a grow bulb in there.
 
2018-03-13 09:23:20 AM  

eKonk: However, it's common to have lights in closets, and quite easy to put a grow bulb in there.


Yes, but that must look so tacky.
 
2018-03-13 09:29:15 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.


And this, folks, is how fascism wins!
 
2018-03-13 09:33:54 AM  
I could tell you a story...

/but not for another year or two due to the statute of limitations.
 
2018-03-13 10:17:42 AM  

g.fro: Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.

And this, folks, is how fascism wins!


You people don't even know how it works.
If you deny them entry, then they stand at your door while they call a judge and get a warrant.
 
2018-03-13 10:18:15 AM  

eKonk: Destructor: ...police found a number of electrical extension cords leading into a closet...

Not really sure why you need more than one electrical extension cord leading into a closet. But, here's a footnote to home builders: Include sockets in closets. It's what the kids want nowadays.

At least some codes don't permit an electrical socket in closets (not sure how common that is, but I ran into it when considering making a server closet some years back).

However, it's common to have lights in closets, and quite easy to put a grow bulb in there.


Most areas allow outlets in closets.  Shouldn't be a problem unless the resident does something stupid like putting a space heater in there with a bunch of stuff to fuel the fire.  The challenge for this being finding a pot grower smart and sober enough to do proper installation.
 
2018-03-13 10:25:29 AM  

mrsleep: g.fro: Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.

And this, folks, is how fascism wins!

You people don't even know how it works.
If you deny them entry, then they stand at your door while they call a judge and get a warrant.


In this case, being it was a domestic dispute, and the caller wasn't to be found without entering, they don't need a warrant or permission.  Reason being, they need to know the welfare of the caller.  That being said, it doesn't give them the right to open closet doors just because they see extension cords going in.  If they heard crying coming from the closet, that would be different.  Especially if they already found the woman, the right thing for the judge to do is toss the charges for improper search.
 
2018-03-13 10:35:58 AM  

mrsleep: g.fro: Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.

And this, folks, is how fascism wins!

You people don't even know how it works.
If you deny them entry, then they stand at your door while they call a judge and get a warrant.


And? That's how it works. No warrant, no entry.
 
2018-03-13 10:44:55 AM  
Another responsible privacy-nut.
 
2018-03-13 11:03:52 AM  

mrsleep: g.fro: Just another Heartland Weirdass: fusillade762: Don't voluntarily let cops into your home

Better advice.  Unless they have a warrant tell them to go pound sand.

It won't be sand they pound though.  Unless you are referring to the sand in your Va jay jay.  It sounds great and all, and I smarted the comment, but really, you can NOT really  think you can tell them to fark off and they will go "ok, looks like you got us, fair n square. We'll go back to the station house, humbled, or maybe get a cat out of tree or something." Can you?

Your face will get split and they will trash the place.

And this, folks, is how fascism wins!

You people don't even know how it works.
If you deny them entry, then they stand at your door while they call a judge and get a warrant.


And once they have an actual warrant, THEN they can come in. But NEVER before it. There is simply no good reason to let the cops into your home without a warrant. Especially if you've committed no crimes.

 Yes, they can say 'we heard someone screaming for help', etc. but this is why you have a front door camera with a mic and a well made security screen door.

 No warrant, no entry. They might win that fight, but your lawyer is easily going to win that war.
 
2018-03-13 11:55:27 AM  

tirob: Just another Heartland Weirdass: Ad hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc.

"For this purpose, therefore because of this"?

What in the world are you going on about?

Oh, and coffee is usually served hot and it should be handled with care.  I think most people know this.

But as long as we're on the subject of serious burns, don't forget all those explosions and fires caused by people trying to extract caffeine from coffee beans.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne​ws/courts/sd-me-hashlab-murder-2017092​6-story.html


Wouldn't happen if they could legally order hash on the internet.  You know, like you can order pure caffeine.

http://www.blackburndistributions.com​/​us/pure-caffeine-powder-745.html
 
2018-03-13 11:56:32 AM  
Of course, the pure caffeine powder, unlike the hash, can actually kill you if you take too much of it.
 
2018-03-13 11:58:35 AM  

DarkVader: tirob: Just another Heartland Weirdass: Ad hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc.

"For this purpose, therefore because of this"?

What in the world are you going on about?

Oh, and coffee is usually served hot and it should be handled with care.  I think most people know this.

But as long as we're on the subject of serious burns, don't forget all those explosions and fires caused by people trying to extract caffeine from coffee beans.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne​ws/courts/sd-me-hashlab-murder-2017092​6-story.html

Wouldn't happen if they could legally order hash on the internet.  You know, like you can order pure caffeine.

http://www.blackburndistributions.com/​us/pure-caffeine-powder-745.html


Don't be obtuse.  You can't OD on caffeine like you can on the marihuanas.
 
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