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2018-03-12 08:02:55 AM  
This would never happen at Yale.
 
2018-03-12 08:20:58 AM  
Of all the classes to have a cheating problem, that has to be the funniest.
 
2018-03-12 08:31:04 AM  
Also, I have it on good authority that whoever wrote Thornton Melon's paper didn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut.
 
2018-03-12 08:41:23 AM  
So, it's like rain on your wedding day?
 
2018-03-12 08:41:33 AM  
Takes one to know one.
 
2018-03-12 08:42:40 AM  
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2018-03-12 08:42:57 AM  
Learning the law is all about learning how to get around the law. These people were just doing a practical study. We only hear about the ones that fail though.
 
2018-03-12 08:43:38 AM  

dittybopper: Also, I have it on good authority that whoever wrote Thornton Melon's paper didn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut.


You know nothing of my work.

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2018-03-12 08:44:36 AM  
Teachers teach.

Drivers drive.

Preachers preach.

Lawyers lawy.
 
2018-03-12 08:44:41 AM  

Kouta: Of all the classes to have a cheating problem, that has to be the funniest.


Game Theory?
 
2018-03-12 08:47:42 AM  
Invigilator? I hardly know her.
 
2018-03-12 08:49:14 AM  
I think that'd be the coarse filter for getting suggested that they should find another line of trade to be educated in.
 
2018-03-12 08:50:10 AM  
They will do welll as lawyers.
 
2018-03-12 08:50:15 AM  
In other news, the Young Republicans Club finds new recruiting grounds.
 
2018-03-12 08:53:18 AM  
Not ironic.
 
2018-03-12 08:53:54 AM  

This text is now purple: Kouta: Of all the classes to have a cheating problem, that has to be the funniest.

Game Theory?


I've Tried Subtlety
 
2018-03-12 08:58:34 AM  
That's the easiest course, why bother cheating?
 
2018-03-12 08:59:24 AM  
I'm guessing this is how conservatives get through an ethics class. They certainly aren't equipped to get through it otherwise.
 
2018-03-12 09:00:27 AM  

Stephen_Falken: This text is now purple: Kouta: Of all the classes to have a cheating problem, that has to be the funniest.

Game Theory?

I've Tried Subtlety


There's a joke here about Honors classes but I can't find it in myself to go that low.
 
2018-03-12 09:00:35 AM  

doglover: Teachers teach.

Drivers drive.

Preachers preach.

Lawyers lawy.


Litigators litigate.
 
2018-03-12 09:01:03 AM  
Future Contract Negotiatiors of the Crown, Local 121.
 
2018-03-12 09:08:01 AM  
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2018-03-12 09:17:58 AM  
As a teaching assistant, I once discovered that something like a third of the class was cheating on the regular in-class quizzes. I basically couldn't do anything, because the professor was applying for tenure and was too afraid to rock the boat (bad student evaluations can sink a tenure application). I yelled at them and made a lot of noise and dark threats, but my hands were really tied. Spent the rest of the semester in a classroom of students I resented, who I'm sure weren't fond of me either. Bad, bad semester.

I still hate those little bastards. They were mostly in the business school, and I assume at some point I will see them as talking heads on Fox.
 
2018-03-12 09:21:58 AM  

WilderKWight: I'm guessing this is how conservatives get through an ethics class. They certainly aren't equipped to get through it otherwise.


If they cheated and got away with it, then they learned the most important lesson.
 
2018-03-12 09:25:13 AM  
Judging by the numbers we catch at our institution, business ethics classes should always be evaluated.
Org Chem I is always the most cheated in class, but BE comes in a close second every single semester, by percentage. Shear numbers more, but taking in the total population, etc. Org Chem I "wins."
(Pre-med and nursing are required to take Org Chem I, whereas a ton of folks take business ethics as their capstone in an undergraduate.)
 
2018-03-12 09:28:21 AM  
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2018-03-12 09:33:37 AM  

WilderKWight: I'm guessing this is how conservatives get through an ethics class. They certainly aren't equipped to get through it otherwise.


Oh, look:  We have a (presumable) liberal here who thinks that their side is immune to human failings.  How *PRECIOUS*.
 
2018-03-12 09:35:14 AM  

Myrdinn: Judging by the numbers we catch at our institution, business ethics classes should always be evaluated.
Org Chem I is always the most cheated in class, but BE comes in a close second every single semester, by percentage. Shear numbers more, but taking in the total population, etc. Org Chem I "wins."
(Pre-med and nursing are required to take Org Chem I, whereas a ton of folks take business ethics as their capstone in an undergraduate.)


We have an endowed chair in Business Ethics at the college I work for.  When the last professor retired, it took three searches before they were able to find a replacement.  Yes, I'm serious.

/Ex chemistry grad student
//Not organic, thank Boyle
 
2018-03-12 09:43:46 AM  

gonegirl: As a teaching assistant, I once discovered that something like a third of the class was cheating on the regular in-class quizzes. I basically couldn't do anything, because the professor was applying for tenure and was too afraid to rock the boat (bad student evaluations can sink a tenure application). I yelled at them and made a lot of noise and dark threats, but my hands were really tied. Spent the rest of the semester in a classroom of students I resented, who I'm sure weren't fond of me either. Bad, bad semester.

I still hate those little bastards. They were mostly in the business school, and I assume at some point I will see them as talking heads on Fox.


In uni one of the organic chem profs was up for tenure but her teaching evaluations were horrible and her research and community service components weren't great either. She tried to boost her class grades by doing a review session for her students using actual questions from the upcoming exam. There were about 10 sections in the course, taught by four different profs, so it looked kind of strange when students from her class suddenly aced the exam. The university investigated, she lawyered up and things got ugly (her lawyer threatened her students). They ended up dropping the investigation but she was denied tenure and eventually moved to a different school.
 
2018-03-12 09:44:01 AM  
A couple cheated in the same class when I was in school too.  The kicker, aside from the irony of cheating on an ethics exam, it's pretty much the easiest class in 4th year and meant as a gimme course. The multiple choice questions weren't much more difficult than 'if offered bribe for signing off on shoddy work a) accept it b) refuse bribe and alert relevant authority c) negotiate higher take'. The essay questions had the appropriate case law provided, so you didn't even have to memorize anything for that part.

 Basically, the only way you could possibly fail, or even do badly on the exam without resorting to cheating was if you're an immoral weasel who doesn't even superficially understand the concept of ethical behaviour or you aren't able to read.
 
2018-03-12 09:45:40 AM  
There's an Ethics part of the CPA exam that you used to do separately from the main four parts.  I lost count of the number of people who offered to give me their answers when they learned I had to take it.  Not a one saw the irony in the situation.  And no I didn't take anyone up on it.
 
2018-03-12 09:52:41 AM  
The university of Regina is a cesspool. Also engineers suck.

/Went to the Glorious University of Saskatchewan
//Geologist
///Math is for losers
////Because threes
 
2018-03-12 10:05:05 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: The university of Regina is a cesspool. Also engineers suck.

/Went to the Glorious University of Saskatchewan
//Geologist
///Math is for losers
////Because threes


Precisely.  I went to U of S and when it came to transfer to my program of choice (at U of R), I decided to go somewhere good instead.

I've never understood the benefit of cheating.  Expulsion is the result of being caught - always seemed not worth the risk.
 
2018-03-12 10:23:18 AM  
In my time as a TA and instructor we caught a lot of students cheating"

1. One kid came into tutorial a few minutes early, borrowed a completed assignment from another student, went and photocopied it, scratched out the original name and wrote in his own. All of this done right in front of me. I gave him a zero and he appealed claiming he "helped" the first kid so it was basically a "group project". The zero was upheld.

2. During an exam we noticed one guy kept hiding his calculator whenever we came near. Near the end of the exam I grabbed it and it was covered in cheat notes. The sad part was the notes were so basic that there was no way they would be of help and he was clearly out of his league. We gave him a zero and we wisely dropped the course.

3. The second year genetics course I taught was huge (over 1000 students) so the exams were all multiple choice out of necessity. We ran stats on the answer patterns and if we noticed strong correlation of wrong answers we checked the seating plan to see if the students were sitting nearby. Every exam we always caught a few people.

4. We also used different exams in the same room (same questions, just the order changed), so the person sitting next to you didn't have the same one. They were usually copied on different color paper to make it obvious, but on the rare occasions where the exams all looked the same we'd always get students where their answers were out of sync because they copied answers from a different exam.

5. Then there was the kid lost six grandmothers, all during exams. Just so everyone is aware, schools keep records, and when you miss an exam it will probably be noted in your file, regardless of why you missed it. Also, profs, TAs, and instructors do talk to each other about you because chances are if you're weaseling out of work in one class, you're doing it in others too. This guy was in second year and had a history of missing exams, so when his grandmother tragically passed before finals it raised a few eyebrows and people started talking. Turns out that he had used the same excuse six times in two years. On the plus side his two real grandmothers were apparently OK, and he didn't have to write the exam after all. As a bonus for his creative thinking he was given a "dean's holiday" the next year.

6. The girl I caught with cheat notes taped to her legs. Most folks don't get dolled up for exams. Pajamas and sweat pants are fairly typical, so when someone shows up in a short skirt they tend to stick out. You're also likely to attract attention, particularly from men, if that skirt starts to creep up during the exam. So, if you're trying to hide something you might not want to hide it in a location where eyes tend to wander. Also, calling me a pervert for noticing won't change the fact you were cheating.

7. Leaving cheat notes in bathrooms. During a three hour exam some people need to go, so we had a TA
accompany them. Sometimes people would hide notes in stalls with the plan to check them during a bathroom break. We always checked the bathrooms right after the exam started.

8. The worst was a group of 4th year genetics students. The lab course consisted of two semester long projects each with a lab report. To do the report properly you needed specific references. This was ~15 years ago when a lot of journal articles from the 90s and earlier weren't yet online, so they had to find the original paper version in the library. About 10 days before the reports were due, students started complaining that the journals with the primary references were missing, which is strange because students weren't allowed to check bound journals out. Rumor spread that a small group of "friends" in the class hid the journals to make it harder on their classmates. We, of course, made copies available to anyone who asked, but we wanted to crucify the people responsible so we set a trap.

We handed the reports back two days before the exam. When the students we suspected came in to pick theirs up I talked with them a bit and planted the bait: I asked them that if they wanted to appeal the grade to do it quickly because "I had to spend a lot of time in the library reviewing security tapes". This of course got them curious, so they asked why. I told them about the hidden journals and that I had to find out who was responsible. They said nothing and left but an hour later one of them phoned me in tears confessing, ratted out his friends, and told me where the journals were hidden.

If we had given them a zero they would have failed and could repeat the course the next year. Instead we engineered their final grades to be "D"s. They passed, so we didn't have to let them repeat the course, but you're not getting into grad or professional school with a D on your transcript in a core course in your honors program. And for the record there were no security cameras in the library, which is something they should have checked before confessing.
 
2018-03-12 10:23:58 AM  

gonegirl: As a teaching assistant, I once discovered that something like a third of the class was cheating on the regular in-class quizzes. I basically couldn't do anything, because the professor was applying for tenure and was too afraid to rock the boat (bad student evaluations can sink a tenure application). I yelled at them and made a lot of noise and dark threats, but my hands were really tied. Spent the rest of the semester in a classroom of students I resented, who I'm sure weren't fond of me either. Bad, bad semester.

I still hate those little bastards. They were mostly in the business school, and I assume at some point I will see them as talking heads on Fox.


I used to sell my comp sci assignments.
 
2018-03-12 10:30:08 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Myrdinn: Judging by the numbers we catch at our institution, business ethics classes should always be evaluated.
Org Chem I is always the most cheated in class, but BE comes in a close second every single semester, by percentage. Shear numbers more, but taking in the total population, etc. Org Chem I "wins."
(Pre-med and nursing are required to take Org Chem I, whereas a ton of folks take business ethics as their capstone in an undergraduate.)

We have an endowed chair in Business Ethics at the college I work for.  When the last professor retired, it took three searches before they were able to find a replacement.  Yes, I'm serious.

/Ex chemistry grad student
//Not organic, thank Boyle


Apparently it was a well endowed chair.
 
2018-03-12 10:57:26 AM  
They're engineering students.  That class is the only time the subject of ethics will ever cross their minds.
 
2018-03-12 11:07:22 AM  
Cheating, in my Regina?  It's more likely than you think!
 
2018-03-12 11:21:27 AM  

offacue: Invigilator? I hardly know her.


I just dropped in to say "I learned a new (old) word today!"

...and this exemplifies the positive value in cheating:  If not for these ethically challenged students, this article would not have been written, not submitted to Fark and I might have gone to my deathbed never having met this word.
 
2018-03-12 11:24:02 AM  
I was a TA for some lower lever math classes in grad school in the mountains of North Carolina. The location of the school is important because, as one professor put it, "Our student population is like our winters; mostly white."

My favorite cheating story comes from a quiz I handed out to our class that had a total of one black student. As they handed in their quizzes I would check the names. When I got the quiz from our black student I noticed he had magically changed races! The next class meeting I told the student to stay after and asked if he knew what it was about. He confessed everything. He had his roommate take the quiz for him because he wasn't prepared.

We went to the department chair who told the student he could either take an F for the course or go in front of the Academic Review Board who would possible expel him from the school. He chose the F. The kicker is, the student had an A in the course. The quiz grade, even if he got a 0, would've dropped him to a B- or so.
 
2018-03-12 11:24:16 AM  
Would it also be ironic if the Statistics Professor calculated that 122% of his students were cheating?
 
2018-03-12 11:27:32 AM  

dittybopper: WilderKWight: I'm guessing this is how conservatives get through an ethics class. They certainly aren't equipped to get through it otherwise.

Oh, look:  We have a (presumable) liberal here who thinks that their side is immune to human failings.  How *PRECIOUS*.


Irony: most lawyers are indeed liberal. (73 Democrats for every 27 Republicans).

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_pr​o​fessions/
 
2018-03-12 11:34:51 AM  

dittybopper: WilderKWight: I'm guessing this is how conservatives get through an ethics class. They certainly aren't equipped to get through it otherwise.

Oh, look:  We have a (presumable) liberal here who thinks that their side is immune to human failings.  How *PRECIOUS*.


Please do not bully the intellectually challenged people of Fark.
 
2018-03-12 11:44:23 AM  

mrshowrules: Would it also be ironic if the Statistics Professor calculated that 122% of his students were cheating?


Professor Scott Stenier?
 
2018-03-12 11:49:25 AM  

nanananaMathMan: I was a TA for some lower lever math classes in grad school in the mountains of North Carolina. The location of the school is important because, as one professor put it, "Our student population is like our winters; mostly white."

My favorite cheating story comes from a quiz I handed out to our class that had a total of one black student. As they handed in their quizzes I would check the names. When I got the quiz from our black student I noticed he had magically changed races! The next class meeting I told the student to stay after and asked if he knew what it was about. He confessed everything. He had his roommate take the quiz for him because he wasn't prepared.

We went to the department chair who told the student he could either take an F for the course or go in front of the Academic Review Board who would possible expel him from the school. He chose the F. The kicker is, the student had an A in the course. The quiz grade, even if he got a 0, would've dropped him to a B- or so.


He was cheating all along.  You just happened to finally catch him.
 
2018-03-12 12:09:38 PM  
<CSB>

When I was in grad school (late stone age - early bronze age) I had a buddy who proctored an exam and noticed one student who kept sneaking peaks at the exam of the person sitting next to him. This room had a door at the front and another at the back. My friend left through the front door and crept in the back one and stood directly behind the "peeker." The next time the student looked at his neighbor's paper my buddy, in a quiet but clear voice, said "you know it makes me uncomfortable when you do that." The kid practically soiled himself on the spot but, apparently, spent the rest of the exam time with his head down studiously examining the tip of his pen where it contacted the paper.

What jolly times we had in grad school way back then! Huzzah!

</CSB>
 
2018-03-12 12:18:14 PM  

Tyrosine: 8. The worst was a group of 4th year genetics students. The lab course consisted of two semester long projects each with a lab report. To do the report properly you needed specific references. This was ~15 years ago when a lot of journal articles from the 90s and earlier weren't yet online, so they had to find the original paper version in the library. About 10 days before the reports were due, students started complaining that the journals with the primary references were missing, which is strange because students weren't allowed to check bound journals out. Rumor spread that a small group of "friends" in the class hid the journals to make it harder on their classmates. We, of course, made copies available to anyone who asked, but we wanted to crucify the people responsible so we set a trap.


Not sure why you cared. Checking out required materials to make them unavailable is a time-honored tradition.

But you should have nailed them for sloppiness. It's easier to get a librarian to "lose" something temporarily. If you're really clever, you get someone at another school to ILL loan it during the period required.
 
2018-03-12 12:19:27 PM  

HAMMERTOE: dittybopper: WilderKWight: I'm guessing this is how conservatives get through an ethics class. They certainly aren't equipped to get through it otherwise.

Oh, look:  We have a (presumable) liberal here who thinks that their side is immune to human failings.  How *PRECIOUS*.

Irony: most lawyers are indeed liberal. (73 Democrats for every 27 Republicans).

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_pro​fessions/


So it's basically Fark.
 
2018-03-12 12:28:30 PM  
I used to teach at a university in China, and the attitude to cheating is very different there. Basically, it was accepted. You could casually glance in a class and see people cheating, but the prof would just sit there pretending not to notice.
It was also really common to bribe professors. Sometimes the student's parents would give them gifts; sometimes the profs deliberately would not teach things that would be on exams, and would then offer to tutor for a fee; sometimes students just gave them money.
I live in Regina, and a lot of the engineering students come from China. They're just doing what would be acceptable back home.
 
2018-03-12 12:30:15 PM  

SansNeural: dittybopper: WilderKWight: I'm guessing this is how conservatives get through an ethics class. They certainly aren't equipped to get through it otherwise.

Oh, look:  We have a (presumable) liberal here who thinks that their side is immune to human failings.  How *PRECIOUS*.

Please do not bully the intellectually challenged people of Fark.


What other groups do you demonize and/or ridicule based upon prejudice and misconceptions?
 
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