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2018-03-12 08:38:19 AM  
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I'm not sure which is more upsetting, a pregnant, 15 year old girl getting married or wearing cargo pants to your own wedding.
 
2018-03-12 08:46:03 AM  
with opponents arguing that the inclusion of a judge stripped parents of a fundamental right to determine what's right for their own kids.

Yep.  It's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO right to marry your kids off before they're old enough to drive, or get a job on their own, or sign a legally binding contract.  Marriage and having kids is something that requires maturity, compromise, an understanding of what it entails, and a whole slew of other things that a good majority of teenagers don't have.  There's a reason why we don't allow people under 18 to sign legal contracts.
 
2018-03-12 08:46:17 AM  
It takes talent to outredneck Alabama and Mississippi
 
2018-03-12 09:10:36 AM  

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I'm not sure which is more upsetting, a pregnant, 15 year old girl getting married or wearing cargo pants to your own wedding.


Adventure pants. He is going on an adventure, so he needs the right attire.
 
2018-03-12 09:14:32 AM  
Missouri is a hot mess of MAGA garbage
 
2018-03-12 09:15:42 AM  
Probably stupid for a pregnant 15 year old to get married, but also not sure how throwing the father in jail is going to help the situation.
 
2018-03-12 09:15:43 AM  

Kouta: It takes talent to outredneck Alabama and Mississippi


They might even drop their first-cousins-or-closer requirement.
 
2018-03-12 09:15:57 AM  
Are there any good, current (not historical) arguments for allowing 12-15 year-olds to marry?
 
2018-03-12 09:17:14 AM  
Branson.  You all can be married by Spongebob Squarepants,
 
2018-03-12 09:17:16 AM  
draypresct

Are there any good, current (not historical) arguments for allowing 12-15 year-olds to marry?

It gets them out of the house sooner.
 
2018-03-12 09:17:33 AM  
Do they have 15-year-olds there I can pick from or do I have to bring my own?
 
2018-03-12 09:18:38 AM  

draypresct: Are there any good, current (not historical) arguments for allowing 12-15 year-olds to marry?


They can get their first divorce out of the way before graduation?
 
2018-03-12 09:19:23 AM  
"Fifteen-year-olds should be coloring in coloring books or something."

For farks sake what is going on in that state?
 
2018-03-12 09:21:21 AM  

draypresct: Are there any good, current (not historical) arguments for allowing 12-15 year-olds to marry?


They can claim themselves as minor dependents on their taxes?
 
2018-03-12 09:24:44 AM  
It didn't matter how "infatuatedly in love" she was then with everything about Jeremie - his long chocolate hair, his bad-boy attitude, tongue stud and 28 tattoos. In Iowa, a 21-year-old having sex with a 15-year-old is statutory rape. The evidence was alive in her womb.

Wow - he sounds like a real winner.
 
2018-03-12 09:27:39 AM  

abhorrent1: Do they have 15-year-olds there I can pick from or do I have to bring my own?


Get one from there.  You'll get charged with taking a minor across state lines for sex if you don't.  I learned that from a Fark article.  Two people, like 19 or 20ish got married and the wife got the husband a 16yo girl for a wedding night threeway.  Because they went from a 16 and up state to an 18 and up state for the honeymoon, they got charged with sex with a minor and taking a minor across state lines for sex.

FARK:  If the honeymoon was in the same state, they could have had the threeway with the 16yo and no charges could have been filed instead of getting two "put you on the pervert list felonies".

Moral of the story is get your underage pussy in-state.
 
2018-03-12 09:28:25 AM  
Does Roy Moore have a winter home in Missouri? Seems like his kind of place.
 
2018-03-12 09:28:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: "Fifteen-year-olds should be coloring in coloring books or something."

For farks sake what is going on in that state?


I was going to bring up this quote too.  I mean, certainly I don't think 15-year-olds have any business of getting married in 2018, but, I'm not sure where the thought that 15-year olds are still "coloring in coloring books" is also a real thought.

I guess one thing I'll say is that in a certain way, there is a "middle class and above" bias towards the "teenagers being in school and being successful, yadda yadda" in this debate (of which I am certainly part of that, and I certainly have high expectations on my daughter for her future)... but, there is a lot more of society that lives their lives closer to the TV show "Shameless" than many of us would like to admit (or be aware of).  And especially a lot of rural Missouri is going to fit a lot of that depiction.
 
2018-03-12 09:30:32 AM  
She was 15, not even old enough to drive on her own. Jeremie Rook, her boyfriend and the father of her baby, was 21.

Would the baby really be better off with its father registered as a sex offender?
 
2018-03-12 09:31:25 AM  
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2018-03-12 09:31:38 AM  
FTA: Strawbridge's own grandmother was wed at 13 and raised 11 children. But that, she said, was a past era when young marriages were common, divorces rare and farm and factory jobs could support kids who quit high school.

And that's the crux of it right there. Motherhood, far more than fatherhood, derails education and in a modern economy your economic outcome in life is very dependant on education. Study after study after study have shown that the younger a woman is at the birth of her first child, the poorer her economic future is likely to be.

If parents really care about their kids they'll help them to delay having kids, and that includes sex ed, birth control, and not marrying off your daughters just because someone sticks their dick in them.
 
2018-03-12 09:34:23 AM  

Fizpez: Probably stupid for a pregnant 15 year old to get married, but also not sure how throwing the father in jail is going to help the situation.


So you should get a Mulligan for statutory rape?
 
2018-03-12 09:35:10 AM  

hashtag.acronym: get your underage pussy in-state.


Those were my grandfather's exact last words to me on his death bed.

*sob*
 
2018-03-12 09:36:06 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Kouta: It takes talent to outredneck Alabama and Mississippi

They might even drop their first-cousins-or-closer requirement.


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2018-03-12 09:37:09 AM  

mittromneysdog: She was 15, not even old enough to drive on her own. Jeremie Rook, her boyfriend and the father of her baby, was 21.

Would the baby really be better off with its father registered as a sex offender?


No.

Knew a guy on that list from Texas in an I was 18 with a 17yo girlfriend that's the list.  They had a kid when she was 19.  He has to move from town to town to town to find the correct combination of legally located housing & jobs that will hire him.

Putting the dad on the offenders' list will only put them in the position of that family struggling to make ends meet with ever-changing bureaucracy, zone redraws, and prejudice before knowing the actual story.

I lol'd when I first heard that story due to the irony of it all -- I was 22 hooking up with a 16yo.  It was legal so f*ck y'all...and her at 16 had been with more people than me at 22...
 
2018-03-12 09:37:39 AM  
So, if she was seven months pregnant when they got married, the crime would clearly have pre-dated the marriage.  Wouldn't they still be able to go after him?

Or is this one of those biblical justification things?  Yeah, you stole and raped an innocent child, but you married her afterwards so God gives you his nod of approval and if God's happy, the State is happy.
 
2018-03-12 09:38:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: "Fifteen-year-olds should be coloring in coloring books or something."

For farks sake what is going on in that state?


I am 44 and I freaking love to color.
 
2018-03-12 09:39:13 AM  
There are a few problems here.

15 year olds shouldn't be getting married, or getting pregnant - mostly because our complex economy requires advanced levels of education that having a child would make difficult to obtain. But due to people's crazy religious belief systems, there isn't some sort of mandatory abortions/contraception for young people who we do not consider to be at the age of majority yet.

The other problem is the notion that post pubescent adolescents are children. Society has extended the label of childhood to even include college age adults these days. The sex drive turns on in humans when puberty occurs. This is going to lead to pregnant teenagers, because like it or not, that switch turns on somewhere between 13-15 years old in most humans. We need to stop treating adolescents as children and come to terms with the fact that they are going to do the same things we did at their age, no matter how much we try and shelter them from our helicopters. This means sitting them down, having a talk and giving them options for contraception.
 
2018-03-12 09:39:34 AM  

mittromneysdog: She was 15, not even old enough to drive on her own. Jeremie Rook, her boyfriend and the father of her baby, was 21.

Would the baby really be better off with its father registered as a sex offender?


I mean, the father has to be a piece of shiat who would likely raise a future piece of shiat, or at least be a negative influence in his/her life.
 
2018-03-12 09:40:21 AM  
This state has the most lenient law in the nation for 15-year-old brides. Some may have even married their rapists.

Finally a return to true biblical values.
 
2018-03-12 09:40:58 AM  

Tyrosine: If parents really care about their kids they'll help them to delay having kids, and that includes sex ed, birth control, and not marrying off your daughters just because someone sticks their dick in them.


So you taught your daughter about the economic consequences of having kids. You taught her that letting a boy put it in her is how babies get made. You taught her about abstinence. And you taught her that despite all that, if she nonetheless decided to let a boy put it in her before she graduated college and was professionally established in a career that's friendly to new mothers, she should use birth control. You even showed her how to put a condom on a banana.

And still she got carried away with a boy one night and got knocked up. She insists on having the baby because one day a pro-lifer showed her a tiny plastic toy and told her it's what her baby looked like inside of her. You explain to her that that doesn't mean the pro-lifer is actually willing to do anything to help care for or pay for the baby, but she sticks to her guns.

Now what?
 
2018-03-12 09:41:29 AM  

GalFriday: HotWingConspiracy: "Fifteen-year-olds should be coloring in coloring books or something."

For farks sake what is going on in that state?

I am 44 and I freaking love to color.


Make sure to stay in the lines
 
2018-03-12 09:42:46 AM  

mittromneysdog: Tyrosine: If parents really care about their kids they'll help them to delay having kids, and that includes sex ed, birth control, and not marrying off your daughters just because someone sticks their dick in them.

So you taught your daughter about the economic consequences of having kids. You taught her that letting a boy put it in her is how babies get made. You taught her about abstinence. And you taught her that despite all that, if she nonetheless decided to let a boy put it in her before she graduated college and was professionally established in a career that's friendly to new mothers, she should use birth control. You even showed her how to put a condom on a banana.

And still she got carried away with a boy one night and got knocked up. She insists on having the baby because one day a pro-lifer showed her a tiny plastic toy and told her it's what her baby looked like inside of her. You explain to her that that doesn't mean the pro-lifer is actually willing to do anything to help care for or pay for the baby, but she sticks to her guns.

Now what?


Push her down the stairs.
 
2018-03-12 09:45:57 AM  
Hey i got an idea, lets all pretend that our kids dont get sexual urges until after theyre 18. We'll just avoid the subject of sex entirely until theyre in their 20's. Instead we'll teach them that sex is evil and shameful, that will make them grow up into healthy adults!
 
2018-03-12 09:46:35 AM  

pastramithemosterotic: GalFriday: HotWingConspiracy: "Fifteen-year-olds should be coloring in coloring books or something."

For farks sake what is going on in that state?

I am 44 and I freaking love to color.

Make sure to stay in the lines


I do.  I use my Bic mark-its and stay within the lines.  I color pretty.
 
2018-03-12 09:47:21 AM  

chewd: Hey i got an idea, lets all pretend that our kids dont get sexual urges until after theyre 18. We'll just avoid the subject of sex entirely until theyre in their 20's. Instead we'll teach them that sex is evil and shameful, that will make them grow up into healthy adults!


How do you equate teenagers having sexual urges with underage marriage?
 
2018-03-12 09:47:59 AM  

abhorrent1: Do they have 15-year-olds there I can pick from or do I have to bring my own?


I'm pretty sure you'd want to supply your own.  No one wants to use the public clubs at the driving range.
 
2018-03-12 09:49:16 AM  

mittromneysdog: Tyrosine: If parents really care about their kids they'll help them to delay having kids, and that includes sex ed, birth control, and not marrying off your daughters just because someone sticks their dick in them.

So you taught your daughter about the economic consequences of having kids. You taught her that letting a boy put it in her is how babies get made. You taught her about abstinence. And you taught her that despite all that, if she nonetheless decided to let a boy put it in her before she graduated college and was professionally established in a career that's friendly to new mothers, she should use birth control. You even showed her how to put a condom on a banana.

And still she got carried away with a boy one night and got knocked up. She insists on having the baby because one day a pro-lifer showed her a tiny plastic toy and told her it's what her baby looked like inside of her. You explain to her that that doesn't mean the pro-lifer is actually willing to do anything to help care for or pay for the baby, but she sticks to her guns.

Now what?


Are 15 year olds old enough to make decisions about what happens to their body? If yes, then well she gets to live with the consequence and if no, she gets to go to the local clinic against her will.
 
2018-03-12 09:50:55 AM  

pastramithemosterotic: How do you equate teenagers having sexual urges with underage marriage?


Because i read TFA
 
2018-03-12 09:52:51 AM  
There seems to be an oddly high correlation between states filled with "Muhammad was a pedophile!" and "No sharia law!" types, and states where child marriages are legal and laws to ban the practice keep getting voted down.
 
2018-03-12 09:54:26 AM  

Fizpez: Probably stupid for a pregnant 15 year old to get married, but also not sure how throwing the father in jail is going to help the situation.


Think about the kind of person who, at 21, will get a 14/15 year old pregnant. Then try to imagine how that kind of person will grow an what kind of life he'll be able to provide for his wife and child. I hope that answers your question.
 
2018-03-12 09:55:26 AM  

mittromneysdog: She was 15, not even old enough to drive on her own. Jeremie Rook, her boyfriend and the father of her baby, was 21.

Would the baby really be better off with its father registered as a sex offender?


The baby would have been better off aborted.
 
2018-03-12 09:56:02 AM  
I'm the Weeners this?

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2018-03-12 09:56:27 AM  
The subjects of this article are all irresponsible, cruel, and/or ignorant people. The law exists to prevent these bad decisions from being made and Missouri should be ashamed of their lax marriage laws. I mean everybody in the article - the kids, their rapists/spouses, the parents that consent to the marriage, Missouri legislators, and the pastors that perform the marriage (especially the pastors). These people could just go to the courthouse to get the paper signed, but the pastor that also consents to the ceremony is despicable.

The only person I feel bad for is the county clerk that disagrees with the policy, bust still has to sign the documents. You know she disagrees, but it's not up to her to stand up to the state law. It's like a reverse Kim Davis.
 
2018-03-12 09:59:08 AM  

hashtag.acronym: I lol'd when I first heard that story due to the irony of it all -- I was 22 hooking up with a 16yo.  It was legal so f*ck y'all...and her at 16 had been with more people than me at 22...


Do you mean you were a virgin or she was a slut?
 
2018-03-12 09:59:21 AM  

A'isha P.: There seems to be an oddly high correlation between states filled with "Muhammad was a pedophile!" and "No sharia law!" types, and states where child marriages are legal and laws to ban the practice keep getting voted down.


Obviously there is a correlation between the legality of a pregnant 15 year old "child" marrying a 21 year old and a 53 year old warlord consummating his marriage with a 9 or 10 year old girl.
 
2018-03-12 09:59:28 AM  

Fizpez: Probably stupid for a pregnant 15 year old to get married, but also not sure how throwing the father in jail is going to help the situation.


I think the question regarding jail time is more about whether he's going to prey on other youths or not. If there's reason to believe he is no threat to society, then yes, keep him out of jail.

But that shows the laws are farked up - he already committed the crime, but he won't be prosecuted (or even evaluated for risk to re-offend) because her parents were willing to enter her into a legally binding contract that could last through her adult life.

Maybe he's not a predator, and maybe she is mature beyond her years and made a rational decision to be with this guy (I seriously doubt it, but hey, it's possible). But no one looked at that - they basically told the guy "marry her or go to jail."  Why is that a get out of jail free card? Should it be?
 
2018-03-12 09:59:33 AM  

Mugato: hashtag.acronym: get your underage pussy in-state.

Those were my grandfather's exact last words to me on his death bed.

*sob*


Mine was "stick your fingers in first and get a good whiff before using your dick".  Being six was interesting.
 
2018-03-12 09:59:39 AM  

browntimmy: mittromneysdog: She was 15, not even old enough to drive on her own. Jeremie Rook, her boyfriend and the father of her baby, was 21.

Would the baby really be better off with its father registered as a sex offender?

I mean, the father has to be a piece of shiat who would likely raise a future piece of shiat, or at least be a negative influence in his/her life.


I see. Never mind that fatherhood often changes young men, incentivizing them to rise to their new responsibilities by turning their lives around.

Never mind that a stat rape conviction will ensure the baby is deprived entirely of child support from her father for the first several years of its life. And ensure that the father can never provide much more than minimum wage child support after that, if he can find work at all.

He's a hoodlum, so that baby is better off without a father in her life at all than with a father who might just man up, find real work, and be a daddy.

Read a question from a teen girl on an advice forum once. She said she got pregnant, and then turned her boyfriend in because he asked her to get an abortion. Now he was sentenced to prison, and she wanted to know if the state would issue her the child support he would have had to pay her had he been out of prison.

I would have thought the question was hilariously naive if I didn't feel so sorry for her. I wished she had had more foresight than to destroy her child's father's life because she was mad at him over something petty. But she didn't, and she and her baby were going to suffer for it.

I dunno. I'm just saying it's not clear to me people think these things through all the time.

I'm not saying it's okay to knock up teenagers. I'm just saying the heavy hand of the criminal justice system might not be the best solution when it comes to young people acting like idiots.
 
2018-03-12 10:00:31 AM  

mittromneysdog: Tyrosine: If parents really care about their kids they'll help them to delay having kids, and that includes sex ed, birth control, and not marrying off your daughters just because someone sticks their dick in them.

So you taught your daughter about the economic consequences of having kids. You taught her that letting a boy put it in her is how babies get made. You taught her about abstinence. And you taught her that despite all that, if she nonetheless decided to let a boy put it in her before she graduated college and was professionally established in a career that's friendly to new mothers, she should use birth control. You even showed her how to put a condom on a banana.

And still she got carried away with a boy one night and got knocked up. She insists on having the baby because one day a pro-lifer showed her a tiny plastic toy and told her it's what her baby looked like inside of her. You explain to her that that doesn't mean the pro-lifer is actually willing to do anything to help care for or pay for the baby, but she sticks to her guns.

Now what?


So now you play "rob your neighbor" for real with her guns?
 
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