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(CBC)   Meanwhile in Canada, Rob Ford's brother won the PC party's race but the current leader won't step down for some reason   (cbc.ca) divider line
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2018-03-11 10:01:16 AM  
Leave it to the Ontario PC's to completely fark up what should have been an easy election win.

In 6 weeks they've gone from leading in the polls to:
1) removing their leader,
2) ousting all his staff,
3) having a leadership convention,
4) having all the candidates abandon the election platform brought out 2 months ago,
5) farking up that leadership convention,
6) electing an alleged drug dealer as leader.

all this with a provincial election in June.

For a party that relies heavily on rural support and hating Toronto, electing a rich, self centered Torontonian is a brilliant strategy that cannot possibly back-fire, no sir, NO WAY!
 
2018-03-11 10:43:24 AM  
Wow, the Tories have out-Toried themselves and left the Republicans behind in the dust by moving whole towns to the wroing riding to vote. I guess we now know the truth about illegal voting: Conservatives are busing their voters around.
 
2018-03-11 12:01:57 PM  
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2018-03-11 12:11:35 PM  

Pope Larry II: Leave it to the Ontario PC's to completely fark up what should have been an easy election win.

In 6 weeks they've gone from leading in the polls to:
1) removing their leader,
2) ousting all his staff,
3) having a leadership convention,
4) having all the candidates abandon the election platform brought out 2 months ago,
5) farking up that leadership convention,
6) electing an alleged drug dealer as leader.

all this with a provincial election in June.

For a party that relies heavily on rural support and hating Toronto, electing a rich, self centered Torontonian is a brilliant strategy that cannot possibly back-fire, no sir, NO WAY!


You missed:
Brown (the former leader for the kids in the back row) Probably buying his lakefront house with campaign money, and his fondness for drunk 18 year olds.
The shady candidate nomination process in multiple ridings having ethics investigations, 2 criminal.
The "seemingly random" riding re-assignment of the voting members, which is why Elliot won't concede until that's sorted out. She may well end up the leader.

I love Doug's go-to line about having to oust the corrupt Libs.
 
2018-03-11 12:13:27 PM  
Subby - there is no current leader. Christine Elliott is another challenger. Patrick Brown was pushed out as leader in January due to allegations of sexual misconduct. Do keep up.
 
2018-03-11 12:15:23 PM  
Also, what sucks amazingly large is that Doug farking Ford is now likely the next leader of Ontario. I'm calling it now. Ontario can't wait for snow leopards to eat our collective faces.
 
2018-03-11 12:19:22 PM  
The PC's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory boggles the mind. All they have had to do the past few elections is keep their mouths shut and they could have won. But no, they have to go and say they will fund jebus skools or fire a tonne of nurses. Could have thought ahead and elected Elliot who probably could easily have won but no, gotta stick it to the man or the elites or whatever their thought process was. Sure, Dougie looks slovenly and talks like what he thinks a lower class person does but he also comes from a very well off family.

I'm voting none of the above. Its a real party.
 
2018-03-11 12:19:53 PM  
 
2018-03-11 12:22:51 PM  

whereisian: Also, what sucks amazingly large is that Doug farking Ford is now likely the next leader of Ontario. I'm calling it now. Ontario can't wait for snow leopards to eat our collective faces.


There was a time, before November 4 2016, I would have laughed at the thought of a Ford brother successfully winning on a provincial level. Now a days I don't know for sure.
 
2018-03-11 12:28:16 PM  
What a shiatshow.

And these people want to Ontario? Fark that.


I would have been willing to look at the PC party if Elliot had won but there's no way I'm voting for that man.
 
2018-03-11 12:32:38 PM  

whereisian: Also, what sucks amazingly large is that Doug farking Ford is now likely the next leader of Ontario. I'm calling it now. Ontario can't wait for snow leopards to eat our collective faces.


I don't think so.  A minority government maybe.  Ottawa and London will hate him, Kitchener-Waterloo as well.  Hamilton is a toss up and Toronto a split at best.  Ford needs to carry two of those areas outright to stand a chance for a majority.  The thing to keep in mind is that Ontario favors the Liberal platform, they just hate Wynn.
 
2018-03-11 12:32:54 PM  
sno man:
6) electing an alleged drug dealer as leader.

And that "alleged" is about as thin as you can get.

The Glove & Mail published a lengthy story on the Ford family which, while trying to focus on Rob, was pretty heavily about Doug, because Rob was a fool but Doug is a psychopath.

- Both Doug and brother Randy were drug dealers
- Doug was a mid-level dealer, which is worse than it sounds because it means he was a step up in the drug chain from street sellers.  He ran his business like a business, which is smart but scary.
- Randy liked to beat the crap out of people and also kidnapped someone who owed them $5k.  Held him for ransom until the family called the cops and everybody mysteriously pretty much walked away.
- Their sister got shot in the face by coked-out friends
- Same sister's husband shot (& killed) her ex with a shotgun

Lots of people were willing to talk off the record and their stories match.  Nobody was willing to give their names due to fear of The Fords & being implicated in the 80s drug trade.
 
2018-03-11 12:34:32 PM  
I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?
 
2018-03-11 12:36:48 PM  

Dumski: [img.fark.net image 625x415]


Best part about this pic is the fella in the back attempting an amateur level David Carradine.  Somebody get that guy a closet rod.
 
2018-03-11 12:39:26 PM  

Pope Larry II: For a party that relies heavily on rural support and hating Toronto, electing a rich, self centered Torontonian is a brilliant strategy that cannot possibly back-fire, no sir, NO WAY!


The Fords have always gone the Populist-hating-the-downtown-lefties route and I think that will play well in all the suburbs and rural areas.  I think the best we can hope for is some sort of minority government.

/Yarg, "Rae Days" is a clarion call like "B-b-but her e-mails."
//Not a dipper but looking for an alternative.
 
2018-03-11 12:39:28 PM  

Pope Larry II: 1) removing their leader,


But he came back and entered the leadership race again, but then he dropped out again...at least I think he dropped out again because I sort of lost track of all the the specific movements of the shiat in this shiat show, but that's how I think it went down.
 
2018-03-11 12:42:30 PM  

sno man: Pope Larry II: Leave it to the Ontario PC's to completely fark up what should have been an easy election win.

In 6 weeks they've gone from leading in the polls to:
1) removing their leader,
2) ousting all his staff,
3) having a leadership convention,
4) having all the candidates abandon the election platform brought out 2 months ago,
5) farking up that leadership convention,
6) electing an alleged drug dealer as leader.

all this with a provincial election in June.

For a party that relies heavily on rural support and hating Toronto, electing a rich, self centered Torontonian is a brilliant strategy that cannot possibly back-fire, no sir, NO WAY!

You missed:
Brown (the former leader for the kids in the back row) Probably buying his lakefront house with campaign money, and his fondness for drunk 18 year olds.
The shady candidate nomination process in multiple ridings having ethics investigations, 2 criminal.
The "seemingly random" riding re-assignment of the voting members, which is why Elliot won't concede until that's sorted out. She may well end up the leader.

I love Doug's go-to line about having to oust the corrupt Libs.


Either way, this was the PC's election to lose, for the third time in a row. It looks like they will lose again.

I can see a schism in the PC party if they lose badly.
 
2018-03-11 12:43:56 PM  

Pope Larry II: Leave it to the Ontario PC's to completely fark up what should have been an easy election win.

In 6 weeks they've gone from leading in the polls to:
1) removing their leader,
2) ousting all his staff,
3) having a leadership convention,
4) having all the candidates abandon the election platform brought out 2 months ago,
5) farking up that leadership convention,
6) electing an alleged drug dealer as leader.

all this with a provincial election in June.

For a party that relies heavily on rural support and hating Toronto, electing a rich, self centered Torontonian is a brilliant strategy that cannot possibly back-fire, no sir, NO WAY!


We've been taking notes from our neighbor to the south.

//Not happy -.-
 
2018-03-11 12:48:51 PM  

Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?


It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.
 
2018-03-11 12:53:27 PM  

Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?


Progressive is not the opposite of conservative. The name is taken from their beliefs in a more progressive approach to social issues and a conservative approach to fiscal issues. It sounds a little silly, especially if you are used to bi-polar politics like in the U.S. but it makes sense when your party politics are a little more robust. Although there isn't any significant party right of the PCs.
 
2018-03-11 12:54:51 PM  
Doug Ford is what you'd get if you gave Trump a brain.

Trust the PC party to fark up what should've been an easy win for them.
 
2018-03-11 12:56:06 PM  

raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.


Actually, no.  They might try to sell that now, but it's a historical artifact of the pre-WW2 merger of the old Conservative Party (Tories) with the Progressive Party, which was a good old-fashioned 1920's era 'hey, how about Toronto NOT just fark the farmers without lube' party.  It wasn't progressive in any sense of social values, it was the definition of the time which basically meant, "We don't like big city bankers having All The Money."

Trying to apply 21st century labeling to pre-war politics is a fool's errand at the best of times.
 
2018-03-11 12:57:30 PM  

raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.


Normally I'd agree with you, but this time I'm not so sure.  The PC's official platform includes repealing the school sex ed curriculum.  Ford really is Canada's answer to Trump...and the Ford family's voter base is fanatically anti-progressive.
 
2018-03-11 12:58:19 PM  

Pope Larry II: Either way, this was the PC's election to lose, for the third time in a row. It looks like they will lose again.

I can see a schism in the PC party if they lose badly.


The schisms are already there. I follow a few local PCs and they are livid with the party and their parachute candidate that had to cheat to win the nom. This election was blown for them when they elected Brown leader, all of everything since, is on him and the executive. Elliot would win despite all the shenanigans, I'm not sure Ford is deft enough to keep above the scandals.
 
2018-03-11 01:01:00 PM  

raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.


Hey, just because we have no real Liberal presence here, and the two governing parties currently are the NDP and the wackjobs, doesn't mean....

/oh hell
 
2018-03-11 01:06:13 PM  

Barfmaker: Pope Larry II: 1) removing their leader,

But he came back and entered the leadership race again, but then he dropped out again...at least I think he dropped out again because I sort of lost track of all the the specific movements of the shiat in this shiat show, but that's how I think it went down.


It gets even more convoluted than that.

If I remember the sequence correctly, it was asking the lines of:

1. Brown's senior staff threaten to quit if he doesn't step down once the allegations of sexual misconduct come out.
2. Brown refused so his staff quit.
3. Brown had an awkward impromptu press conference to announce that he's resigning.
4. Brown: lol/jk, I didn't actually say I quit.
5. Audio leaks out where he indicates he's stepping down.
6. OPC: interim leader or do we hold a leadership convention with only a few months to go before the next election?
7. Leadership convention it is.
8. Doug Ford: Hi folks, who's ready for some more Ford Nation? Please ignore the $3.2 billion one-stop subway line my brother and I pushed for.
9. Brown: Wildcard, biatches! I'm back! Here's my $100k!
10. Hey Patrick, where'd you get the money for the house?
11. Brown: Nope, I'm not back after all.
 
2018-03-11 01:20:01 PM  

Lexx: raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.

Normally I'd agree with you, but this time I'm not so sure.  The PC's official platform includes repealing the school sex ed curriculum.  Ford really is Canada's answer to Trump...and the Ford family's voter base is fanatically anti-progressive.


Also Christine Elliot has apparently won the popular vote.

Weird parallels, even if they are likely coincidental.
 
2018-03-11 01:23:17 PM  
They voted with online ballots. Any chance of some shenanigans with that? Aw hell, let's do another vote. Call up Patrick Brown.
 
2018-03-11 01:23:24 PM  
I've voted PC my entire life
This time I won't
It would be like I lived in the u.s. and voted for Trump
Not going to be one of those people that swallow their morality for political party
Going to guess thousands feel the same way
Hope Andrea can beat Wynne
 
2018-03-11 01:24:44 PM  
My Toronto house is for sale.
Good.
 
2018-03-11 01:26:46 PM  
What must it be like to be Rob Ford's Billy Carter?
 
2018-03-11 01:26:50 PM  

Lexx: raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.

Normally I'd agree with you, but this time I'm not so sure.  The PC's official platform includes repealing the school sex ed curriculum.  Ford really is Canada's answer to Trump...and the Ford family's voter base is fanatically anti-progressive.


IS there still an official party platform?  I thought that was changing slightly depending on the leadership race results.
 
2018-03-11 01:27:29 PM  
Keep smokin' crack, Ontario
 
2018-03-11 01:41:14 PM  
He's a degenerate thug just like his brother.
 
2018-03-11 01:41:41 PM  

NearCanuck: Lexx: raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.

Normally I'd agree with you, but this time I'm not so sure.  The PC's official platform includes repealing the school sex ed curriculum.  Ford really is Canada's answer to Trump...and the Ford family's voter base is fanatically anti-progressive.

IS there still an official party platform?  I thought that was changing slightly depending on the leadership race results.


I assume like any other time you make a new sociopath the head sociopath he's going to put forth HIS agenda.
 
2018-03-11 01:46:09 PM  
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/Rob may be gone
//but the crack pipe glow lingers on
///probably
 
2018-03-11 01:47:54 PM  

Deathbymeteor: raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.

Hey, just because we have no real Liberal presence here, and the two governing parties currently are the NDP and the wackjobs, doesn't mean....

/oh hell


I wasn't trying to pile on Alberta, it's just the only province where I see elected officials wanting to go backwards on social values.
 
2018-03-11 01:51:33 PM  

raius: Deathbymeteor: raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.

Hey, just because we have no real Liberal presence here, and the two governing parties currently are the NDP and the wackjobs, doesn't mean....

/oh hell

I wasn't trying to pile on Alberta, it's just the only province where I see elected officials wanting to go backwards on social values.


S'alright.  We have wingnuts, and we're slowly trying to deal with them.  Even if they have to be dragged into the current millennium.
 
2018-03-11 01:52:00 PM  

NearCanuck: Lexx: raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.

Normally I'd agree with you, but this time I'm not so sure.  The PC's official platform includes repealing the school sex ed curriculum.  Ford really is Canada's answer to Trump...and the Ford family's voter base is fanatically anti-progressive.

Also Christine Elliot has apparently won the popular vote.

Weird parallels, even if they are likely coincidental.


Canadian remake of American reality TV show?
 
2018-03-11 01:52:23 PM  
Doug Ford is the bitter angry 'Moe' to his entertaining trainwreck brother Rob's 'Curly'.
 
2018-03-11 01:58:37 PM  

Lexx: raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.

Normally I'd agree with you, but this time I'm not so sure.  The PC's official platform includes repealing the school sex ed curriculum.  Ford really is Canada's answer to Trump...and the Ford family's voter base is fanatically anti-progressive.


I've been predicting that they drop the word 'progessive' from the party name just like the federal party, and openly embrace socon policies. If not, you might see the party split in two - especially if they lose again.
 
2018-03-11 01:59:00 PM  
 
2018-03-11 02:01:28 PM  

raius: Deathbymeteor: raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.

Hey, just because we have no real Liberal presence here, and the two governing parties currently are the NDP and the wackjobs, doesn't mean....

/oh hell

I wasn't trying to pile on Alberta, it's just the only province where I see elected officials wanting to go backwards on social values.


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2018-03-11 02:05:20 PM  

Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: Looks like Ford's got the white supremacist vote locked up...

http://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.ca/2​018/03/speaking-of-racists-endorsing-o​ntario.html?m=1


Doesn't surprise me. Online his supporters have sounded very trumpian, they've even been shouting MOGA.
 
2018-03-11 02:28:48 PM  

oldfarthenry: Doug Ford is the bitter angry 'Moe' to his entertaining trainwreck brother Rob's 'Curly'.


That's a good way to put it.
 
2018-03-11 02:33:06 PM  
I betcha the Russians are behind this.
 
2018-03-11 02:37:16 PM  

Last of the Crazy People: Lexx: raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.

Normally I'd agree with you, but this time I'm not so sure.  The PC's official platform includes repealing the school sex ed curriculum.  Ford really is Canada's answer to Trump...and the Ford family's voter base is fanatically anti-progressive.

I've been predicting that they drop the word 'progessive' from the party name just like the federal party, and openly embrace socon policies. If not, you might see the party split in two - especially if they lose again.


I doubt it, most Canadians don't want to go backwards on social issues.  You might win rural Ontario but you won't win the cities and you need the cities to win.
 
2018-03-11 02:38:58 PM  

Max Awesome: I betcha the Russians are behind this.


You kid but read the comments of most Canadian news website and you see the same type of people sowing dissension.  It's amazing how many young attractive women just seem to love Conservative values online.
 
2018-03-11 02:42:51 PM  

Max Awesome: I betcha the Russians are behind this.


He does have quite a few twitterbot followers....I doubt they are Russians as he's notoriously cheap.

I guess we can look forward to him hiring more Twitter bots to disparage Wynn and/or Horvarth. This is going to be an ugly election.
 
2018-03-11 02:45:07 PM  

raius: Last of the Crazy People: Lexx: raius: Ramien: I'm sure this point has been raised before, but... "Progressive Conservatives"? I know Conservative can mean different things depending on the political culture, but this would seem to be an oxymoron. Is this like how Canadians are the most polite people on Earth until  you put a hockey stick in their hands?

It's to highlight they support progressive social values and fiscal conservativism. In Canada running on regressive social values is pretty much a death sentence for political parties not based in Alberta.

Normally I'd agree with you, but this time I'm not so sure.  The PC's official platform includes repealing the school sex ed curriculum.  Ford really is Canada's answer to Trump...and the Ford family's voter base is fanatically anti-progressive.

I've been predicting that they drop the word 'progessive' from the party name just like the federal party, and openly embrace socon policies. If not, you might see the party split in two - especially if they lose again.

I doubt it, most Canadians don't want to go backwards on social issues.  You might win rural Ontario but you won't win the cities and you need the cities to win.


Actually you don't. You do need the suburbs in the 905 though. The right both federally and provincially has said fark the urban centres for a while.

Remember good ol' Mike Harris?
 
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