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2018-03-08 04:35:23 PM  
Should I boot up my computer to see what it does? I rarely use the thing anymore.
 
2018-03-08 05:28:25 PM  
Start/run/notepad c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts

127.0.0.1 *.download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 ntservicepack.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 test.stats.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 wustat.windows.com
 
2018-03-08 06:21:48 PM  
So is Microsoft bad for trying to keep your computer up to date Or is Microsoft bad for allowing unpatched systems to rampantly spread the next big computer virus/malware across the globe at lightning fast speed.

It can only be one.
 
2018-03-08 06:36:39 PM  
Hello


We have some updates for you

(shiat shiat shiat shiat shiat!)
 
2018-03-08 06:37:53 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Start/run/notepad c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts

127.0.0.1 *.download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 ntservicepack.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 test.stats.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 wustat.windows.com


That'll piss em off. :-) It is how I block Facebook. Yes yes everyone knows but still a cool thing. Simple. Elegant.
 
2018-03-08 06:38:39 PM  

Gubbo: So is Microsoft bad for trying to keep your computer up to date Or is Microsoft bad for allowing unpatched systems to rampantly spread the next big computer virus/malware across the globe at lightning fast speed.

It can only be one.


You have successfully limited the discussion.
 
2018-03-08 06:39:38 PM  
Another reason to grasp fitfully to 7 for as long as possible.
 
2018-03-08 06:40:55 PM  
You done farked up; ya'all trusted Micro-shaft again diddle you!

First in with Linux xyz distro is best desktop Evar!

Just bought a rasp pi III... my 4th rasp pi contraption. Luv me these little guys!
 
2018-03-08 06:42:13 PM  
An ugly System

Commodore
 
2018-03-08 06:42:45 PM  

Dangerous_sociopath: Another reason to grasp fitfully to 7 for as long as possible.


That's what I tell the PC team at work. And I am a network guy.
 
2018-03-08 06:43:08 PM  
STOP SWITCHING MY DEFAULT APPS BACK TO THE LAME MICROSOFT ONES.
 
2018-03-08 06:43:20 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Start/run/notepad c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts

127.0.0.1 *.download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 ntservicepack.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 test.stats.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 wustat.windows.com


I seem to recall seeing analysis that windows will ignore etc\hosts if you try to firewall it that way
 
2018-03-08 06:43:27 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Start/run/notepad c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts

127.0.0.1 *.download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 ntservicepack.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 test.stats.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 wustat.windows.com


FYI, wildcards don't work in HOSTS.
 
2018-03-08 06:43:59 PM  
You could just unplug the router. Try to get me now, ya sons of biatches!

/ also, this seems to be only if you already have virus formerly known as Windows 10
 
2018-03-08 06:46:15 PM  
I thought that only the elite Enterprise level win10 people could fully disable upgrades.

Some people can delay them. And request the be done in a certain time window.

But most of us w
 
2018-03-08 06:46:25 PM  

August11: Gubbo: So is Microsoft bad for trying to keep your computer up to date Or is Microsoft bad for allowing unpatched systems to rampantly spread the next big computer virus/malware across the globe at lightning fast speed.

It can only be one.

You have successfully limited the discussion.


It looks like someone wrote something above you're comment but it was so poorly thought out  that I couldn't understand it.
 
2018-03-08 06:46:49 PM  

August11: Gubbo: So is Microsoft bad for trying to keep your computer up to date Or is Microsoft bad for allowing unpatched systems to rampantly spread the next big computer virus/malware across the globe at lightning fast speed.

It can only be one.

You have successfully limited the discussion.


Or have they?
 
2018-03-08 06:46:50 PM  

LordOfThePings: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Start/run/notepad c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts

127.0.0.1 *.download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 ntservicepack.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 test.stats.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 wustat.windows.com

FYI, wildcards don't work in HOSTS.


I have a solution:

cd Orbit

rm -rf*
 
2018-03-08 06:48:27 PM  
Damn ghost click posting

Most of us will  get served updates to act as defacto beta testers, so the people Microsoft gives a crap about will be shielded from the worst faux pas
 
2018-03-08 06:49:02 PM  

WTFDYW: Should I boot up my computer to see what it does? I rarely use the thing anymore.


<O> looks left, looks right, then how did you post this ? phone it in ?
 
2018-03-08 06:52:56 PM  

Gubbo: So is Microsoft bad for trying to keep your computer up to date Or is Microsoft bad for allowing unpatched systems to rampantly spread the next big computer virus/malware across the globe at lightning fast speed.

It can only be one.


It's neither. Those are both straw man positions based on feigning ignorance of the aspect of Microsoft's behavior that the complaint pertains to. Here's a hint: the word "forced" is in the title of TFA.
 
2018-03-08 06:54:09 PM  
I've been testing Windows 10 Enterprise 2016 LTSB for a few months.

It doesn't get feature updates, only security updates. Haven't seen this one yet.
 
2018-03-08 06:55:18 PM  
I want my version of Windows to have all the latest security patches, but nothing should install automatically, and it shouldn't interrupt me to install the updates, and the updates better not change anything, and all the latest features need to work on my old hardware, and I still want my 16 bit programs to run.
 
2018-03-08 06:55:18 PM  

Gubbo: So is Microsoft bad for trying to keep your computer up to date Or is Microsoft bad for allowing unpatched systems to rampantly spread the next big computer virus/malware across the globe at lightning fast speed.

It can only be one.


There is a certain amount to be said for getting it right the first time. The reason that have to issue security patches is because the software was broken to begin with.

Every software change has the potential to break something. And I have had Windows Update brick a machine. Especially production machines. So I generally like to vet changes before they go live.

Oops. Can't do that.
 
2018-03-08 06:55:31 PM  

WTFDYW: Should I boot up my computer to see what it does? I rarely use the thing anymore.


''What's a computer?"
 
2018-03-08 06:57:55 PM  

Swampmaster: Just bought a rasp pi III... my 4th rasp pi contraption. Luv me these little guys!


Have you seen the ODroid XU4?
 
2018-03-08 06:59:03 PM  

WTP 2: WTFDYW: Should I boot up my computer to see what it does? I rarely use the thing anymore.

<O> looks left, looks right, then how did you post this ? phone it in ?


What's a computer?

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-03-08 06:59:35 PM  

iheartscotch: I have a solution:

cd Orbit

rm -rf*


Yes, *nix commands from Orbit will be quite helpful.
 
2018-03-08 07:00:08 PM  

MBZ321: WTFDYW: Should I boot up my computer to see what it does? I rarely use the thing anymore.

''What's a computer?"


** shakes fist **
 
2018-03-08 07:00:19 PM  
I'm not opposed to security patches or even feature changes; "I'll get over it." However, if the forced driver updates could, you know, not break all USB operation within the OS on older machines, that would be nice.
 
2018-03-08 07:00:54 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: I thought that only the elite Enterprise level win10 people could fully disable upgrades.

Some people can delay them. And request the be done in a certain time window.

But most of us w


All W10 versions, including the cheap Home version, can schedule their active hours where Windows will not do any updates.
 
2018-03-08 07:01:35 PM  
Much of my astronomy software is bound to it. I have no choice. Windows 7 on the gaming machine though.
 
2018-03-08 07:02:52 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Gubbo: So is Microsoft bad for trying to keep your computer up to date Or is Microsoft bad for allowing unpatched systems to rampantly spread the next big computer virus/malware across the globe at lightning fast speed.

It can only be one.

There is a certain amount to be said for getting it right the first time. The reason that have to issue security patches is because the software was broken to begin with.

Every software change has the potential to break something. And I have had Windows Update brick a machine. Especially production machines. So I generally like to vet changes before they go live.

Oops. Can't do that.


By your standards there would be no software at all.
 
2018-03-08 07:03:29 PM  

Gubbo: So is Microsoft bad for trying to keep your computer up to date Or is Microsoft bad for allowing unpatched systems to rampantly spread the next big computer virus/malware across the globe at lightning fast speed.

It can only be one.


Again, this is about user safety like Apple's iOS updates are for battery life.
 
2018-03-08 07:05:10 PM  

Carousel Beast: Evil Twin Skippy: Gubbo: So is Microsoft bad for trying to keep your computer up to date Or is Microsoft bad for allowing unpatched systems to rampantly spread the next big computer virus/malware across the globe at lightning fast speed.

It can only be one.

There is a certain amount to be said for getting it right the first time. The reason that have to issue security patches is because the software was broken to begin with.

Every software change has the potential to break something. And I have had Windows Update brick a machine. Especially production machines. So I generally like to vet changes before they go live.

Oops. Can't do that.

By your standards there would be no software at all.


How?
 
2018-03-08 07:05:45 PM  

SplittingAces: WTP 2: WTFDYW: Should I boot up my computer to see what it does? I rarely use the thing anymore.

<O> looks left, looks right, then how did you post this ? phone it in ?

What's a computer?

[img.fark.net image 425x249]


It's a machine that would have a proper trackpad with its keyboard instead of requiring you to reach up and touch the screen, which would be a real pain to do when you're resting on your elbows like that.

/It would also let you expand your storage, have user accounts, do proper multitasking, run full programs instead of cut down apps, let you customise and arrange the desktop the way you want it etc
//Being proud of your customers ignorance is a strange marketing choice.
 
2018-03-08 07:05:51 PM  
O&O Shutup 10 - https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup1​0

Highly recommended. It let's you control all kinds of awful MS behavior. It does have to be run after updates, though.
 
2018-03-08 07:07:14 PM  

Gubbo: So is Microsoft bad for trying to keep your computer up to date Or is Microsoft bad for allowing unpatched systems to rampantly spread the next big computer virus/malware across the globe at lightning fast speed.

It can only be one.


Considering two of my computers are dead from their "updates," I'll leave you to decide what I think of it.
 
2018-03-08 07:08:29 PM  

LordOfThePings: iheartscotch: I have a solution:

cd Orbit

rm -rf*

Yes, *nix commands from Orbit will be quite helpful.


Although, it wouldn't surprise me if they try to eliminate legacy boot options at some point in the future. Until then, I can use my copy of Kali to fix whatever Microsoft breaks.
 
2018-03-08 07:13:05 PM  
Glad I still have widows 95.
 
2018-03-08 07:14:01 PM  
When that major update came out, I download it and manually installed it.  I'll use USB drives and even burn copies of the patch onto DVD-ROM.  I rarely have problems when I apply the patch myself.  I usually have problems when Windows Update applies a major update automatically.  Also, if you have enough computers, 3 to 4 GB per download adds up quick (this would be a deal breaker if you use a cell phone's mobile hotspot frequently and suddenly your allotted bandwidth for the month is gone).

The next major update is due real soon, too.  If they ever fail to make it available for manual download and install, I'd really have something to complain about.
 
2018-03-08 07:16:09 PM  

SplittingAces: WTP 2: WTFDYW: Should I boot up my computer to see what it does? I rarely use the thing anymore.

<O> looks left, looks right, then how did you post this ? phone it in ?

What's a computer?

[img.fark.net image 425x249]


...Okay. Yeah. That's how we're going to do it?

NSFW language: https://youtu.be/jCb-WcxO5S​U?t=50s
 
2018-03-08 07:16:43 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Start/run/notepad c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts

127.0.0.1 *.download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 *.windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 download.windowsupdate.com
127.0.0.1 ntservicepack.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 test.stats.update.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 windowsupdate.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 wustat.windows.com

That'll piss em off. :-) It is how I block Facebook. Yes yes everyone knows but still a cool thing. Simple. Elegant.


I haven't a clue. For the informatically moronic, what does this do?

More talking about Facebook here, I presume that block of text above means it stops Windows Update from calling home. (I think I did something similar for... Diablo 2? Back in the day? I don't remember, history has like doubled since then.)
 
2018-03-08 07:16:46 PM  
Seeking advice:

My elderly parents little computer is effectively bricked due to win 10 trying to install updates.....however the HD of the little machine is only a 32 SSD and it seems to be full.
I tried uninstalling just about everything but the OS....but it's still yelling for more space (and the elderly can't navigate menus for "do it later")....

Ideas?
 
2018-03-08 07:18:06 PM  

Koldbern: Also, if you have enough computers, 3 to 4 GB per download adds up quick (this would be a deal breaker if you use a cell phone's mobile hotspot frequently and suddenly your allotted bandwidth for the month is gone).


You can tell Windows a specific connection, like your mobile hotspot, is metered and it won't download updates.

Bizarrely it doesn't have the same feature for backing up Onedrive. It warns you to pause Onedrive since you're on a metered connection, but won't automatically pause it.
 
2018-03-08 07:20:25 PM  

Sasquach: Seeking advice:

My elderly parents little computer is effectively bricked due to win 10 trying to install updates.....however the HD of the little machine is only a 32 SSD and it seems to be full.
I tried uninstalling just about everything but the OS....but it's still yelling for more space (and the elderly can't navigate menus for "do it later")....

Ideas?


Get a 256 GB flash drive and stick it into one of the back USB ports. Tell your parents that it's there to pacify the internet gnomes and if they (your parents) take it out; the gnomes will get mad.

/ or just don't tell them it's there
 
2018-03-08 07:20:39 PM  

Sasquach: Seeking advice:

My elderly parents little computer is effectively bricked due to win 10 trying to install updates.....however the HD of the little machine is only a 32 SSD and it seems to be full.
I tried uninstalling just about everything but the OS....but it's still yelling for more space (and the elderly can't navigate menus for "do it later")....

Ideas?


Is it a tablet or laptop? Almost certainly it will have a micro SD card slot to expand the storage. I assume you emptied the waste basket?
 
2018-03-08 07:25:44 PM  

Dangerous_sociopath: Another reason to grasp fitfully to 7 for as long as possible.


fark no.  Move to 10 and learn how it works.  Jesus Christ, the only thing worse than Linux luddites are Microsoft luddites.
 
2018-03-08 07:27:02 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Koldbern: Also, if you have enough computers, 3 to 4 GB per download adds up quick (this would be a deal breaker if you use a cell phone's mobile hotspot frequently and suddenly your allotted bandwidth for the month is gone).

You can tell Windows a specific connection, like your mobile hotspot, is metered and it won't download updates.


After one update last year nearly bricked my PC and made my USB ports non-functional, I went through every hack and setting I could think of to get updates to A) let me download it at my leisure when it came out, B) let me install it when I wanted to

Turning my computer to metered did jack shiat, it still forced the download and install of said update. I rolled it back at least 6x before I finally just said fark it and disconnected my computer from the internet for a few weeks after the problems with that particular update were racking up. And I waited till Microsucks fixed it and reconnected. I've had a computer since 1991, I don't need my hand held when doing updates. Don't force shiat on me that breaks my gotdamn PC that I live on.
 
2018-03-08 07:27:16 PM  

Deep Contact: Glad I still have widows 95.


I remember Windows 95, Internet Explorer 3, and the days when Yahoo was the pretty much Google, Steam, Ebay, Paypal, and Facebook.  Today, Yahoo is pretty much clickbait, clickbait, clickbait, click​bait, and clickbait.  Oh, and don't click on the blue 'e'.

Have you ever figured out how to use a drive larger than 128GB on Windows 95?  Wait... Do you have the original version of Windows 95 with that nasty 2GB limit?
 
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