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2018-03-08 03:41:58 PM  
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2018-03-08 03:51:18 PM  
I'm certain that Alice would lift his glass in their honor.
 
2018-03-08 03:56:26 PM  
How about paying a realistic wage as an answer to teacher pay.
 
2018-03-08 04:00:09 PM  
The numbers are starting to roll in showing some actual improvement over 5 day work weeks with regards to test scores.

The theory is that you don't have as much wasted "filler" time, and the students and teacher are both more focused after the 3 day weekend.

The reason there is push back is that is one more day parents can't crutch and use the school as a babysitting service and some kids only get decent nutrition on days they go to school.
 
2018-03-08 04:00:34 PM  
Yes, less education.  That's the ticket!

Hell, by kids school year is about 1150 hours of class time including PE.  For 42 weeks of a school year, that's not a lot of teaching that takes place
 
2018-03-08 05:27:20 PM  
Ya knoiw, as somebody who often gets jobs that are 4-10's instead of 5-8's... gimmie the three days off every time.

It gives you enough time off to do something, quick camping trip shiat like that
 
2018-03-08 06:22:40 PM  

martissimo: Ya knoiw, as somebody who often gets jobs that are 4-10's instead of 5-8's... gimmie the three days off every time.

It gives you enough time off to do something, quick camping trip shiat like that


THIS

 
2018-03-08 06:23:48 PM  
I don't like Mondays.
 
2018-03-08 06:25:33 PM  
And what are parents supposed to do for child care, exactly? Ugh.
 
2018-03-08 06:25:38 PM  
Can I get 4 days too?
 
2018-03-08 06:25:56 PM  
This was a big discussion when I was in undergrad... in 1994.
 
2018-03-08 06:26:09 PM  

Principal Clarinet: [img.fark.net image 600×602]

I'd make the extended weekend day Monday instead of Friday. That way the holidays that officially fall on Monday (MLK Day, President's Day, Memorial Day, Labor Day) would already be off. Also, families often go on vacation over holiday weekends, and giving them an extra day to get back would help (especially over Easter weekend).
 
2018-03-08 06:27:14 PM  

phalamir: How about paying a realistic wage as an answer to teacher pay.


What? That's crazy talk. You would have to give less to the administrators and we can't have that.
 
2018-03-08 06:27:43 PM  

thehobbes: The numbers are starting to roll in showing some actual improvement over 5 day work weeks with regards to test scores.

The theory is that you don't have as much wasted "filler" time, and the students and teacher are both more focused after the 3 day weekend.

The reason there is push back is that is one more day parents can't crutch and use the school as a babysitting service and some kids only get decent nutrition on days they go to school.


This is why I'm sad there's no "dumbass" voting.

A "crutch"? Do you think parents are home with their feet up while their kids are in school? Most are off trying to make ends meet. Adding a day that they can't work doesn't help anyone.
 
2018-03-08 06:27:44 PM  
Hey, teachers, before you go asking for more money, you could try doing a better job first. Our kids are the laughing stock of the world thanks to your efforts.
 
2018-03-08 06:28:16 PM  

Mr.Hawk: martissimo: Ya knoiw, as somebody who often gets jobs that are 4-10's instead of 5-8's... gimmie the three days off every time.

It gives you enough time off to do something, quick camping trip shiat like that

THIS


Kids, teenagers in particular are NOT morning people.   Starting school even earlier is not a good idea.   Personally, I think school starts later and then goes to 5PM.
 
2018-03-08 06:29:08 PM  
Parents pay their taxes so they can get five days of babysitting.  So this is an outrage./
 
2018-03-08 06:29:34 PM  
Republican paradise.
 
2018-03-08 06:30:53 PM  

Hankie Fest: And what are parents supposed to do for child care, exactly? Ugh.


Put them in daycare?

What do parents working 2 jobs do?
 
2018-03-08 06:31:02 PM  
I don't know why this isn't immediately considered a failure of the system. This isn't coming from some study showing that a 4 day school week is actually way more effective and makes more super kids or something. School budgets have been cut to the point where the wheels are falling off. But we still have Internet tough guys saying that our teachers are overpaid and that we need to gut the teachers union.
 
2018-03-08 06:32:34 PM  
Education is the Silver Bullet - S01E18
Youtube xlyBfInS7ec


"...education is the silver bullet. Education is everything. We don't need little changes, we need gigantic, monumental changes. Schools should be palaces. The competition for the best teachers should be fierce. They should be making six-figure salaries. Schools should be incredibly expensive for government and absolutely free of charge to its citizens, just like national defense."
 
2018-03-08 06:33:13 PM  
So the teachers get more time to work their second job?
 
2018-03-08 06:33:21 PM  
That's just Phase I.  Phase II probably involves forcing a 20% pay cut on teachers.
 
2018-03-08 06:33:37 PM  
Considering school is mostly a means to free up adults, does this mean we're scaling back the number hours parents have to work? No? Then where's the savings? By the time you add in all the administrative costs, you get a 15:1 parenting multiplier with schooling. If you send the kids home for a day, it'll take 15 days of parental productivity for each teacher you save a days wage on.

Now, a 4 day week for all those administration people? The half of school budgets that don't interact with students? That's somewhere to find savings.
 
2018-03-08 06:34:46 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Hankie Fest: And what are parents supposed to do for child care, exactly? Ugh.

Put them in daycare?

What do parents working 2 jobs do?


They work 5 days a week and kids go to school 5 days a week I would imagine.
 
2018-03-08 06:35:12 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Mr.Hawk: martissimo: Ya knoiw, as somebody who often gets jobs that are 4-10's instead of 5-8's... gimmie the three days off every time.

It gives you enough time off to do something, quick camping trip shiat like that

THIS

Kids, teenagers in particular are NOT morning people.   Starting school even earlier is not a good idea.   Personally, I think school starts later and then goes to 5PM.


Think about how bad rush hour can be, now put school buses in the mix.
 
2018-03-08 06:36:07 PM  

Hankie Fest: Do you think parents are home with their feet up while their kids are in school?


Lots of them are. Have you seen the number of women that are on welfare and have never had a job? Their modus operandi is right at about the 4-year mark when their youngest child is going to school and that welfare check is going to start having a work requirement, they squeeze out another kid to restart the clock.

"Feet up" indeed.
 
2018-03-08 06:37:01 PM  
If this leads to four-day work weeks, that would be something, although I doubt kids spend enough time in school as it is.

Hell, American kids get three months off over the summer. In some places you get a couple of weeks off between grades, and that's it.
 
2018-03-08 06:37:32 PM  

martissimo: Ya knoiw, as somebody who often gets jobs that are 4-10's instead of 5-8's... gimmie the three days off every time.

It gives you enough time off to do something, quick camping trip shiat like that


Except it really hoses over parents of younger kids who work Monday through friday, who now have to find and pay for day care for one day a week.
 
2018-03-08 06:38:04 PM  

mrmopar5287: Hankie Fest: Do you think parents are home with their feet up while their kids are in school?

Lots of them are. Have you seen the number of women that are on welfare and have never had a job? Their modus operandi is right at about the 4-year mark when their youngest child is going to school and that welfare check is going to start having a work requirement, they squeeze out another kid to restart the clock.

"Feet up" indeed.


I love the fantasy world some people live in. It's so cartoony.
 
2018-03-08 06:41:10 PM  

fragMasterFlash: I don't like Mondays.


Tell me why...
 
2018-03-08 06:41:44 PM  

mrmopar5287: Hankie Fest: Do you think parents are home with their feet up while their kids are in school?

Lots of them are. Have you seen the number of women that are on welfare and have never had a job?


i haven't seen that number. what is it? a few hundred?
 
2018-03-08 06:43:03 PM  

Chabash: Dewey Fidalgo: Mr.Hawk: martissimo: Ya knoiw, as somebody who often gets jobs that are 4-10's instead of 5-8's... gimmie the three days off every time.

It gives you enough time off to do something, quick camping trip shiat like that

THIS

Kids, teenagers in particular are NOT morning people.   Starting school even earlier is not a good idea.   Personally, I think school starts later and then goes to 5PM.

Think about how bad rush hour can be, now put school buses in the mix.


I'm just saying this would be better for the kids learning.   The little darlings are zombies for the first hour or even two.   I hadn't thought about rush hour (do buses take the freeways that often?   I'm an hour and a half from any road that would qualify).   Still, the issue of after school care would be taken care of to an extent.
 
2018-03-08 06:43:41 PM  

phalamir: How about paying a realistic wage as an answer to teacher pay.


Been hearing this Union bleatfor 55 years
 
2018-03-08 06:45:30 PM  

spesimen: i haven't seen that number. what is it? a few hundred?


My mother was a director of a daycare with a huge number of people that were on government-funded childcare. Judging from her experience, at least 50% of the "customers" at her daycare were in that basket. That's 50 or so out of about 100, so if you estimate a few hundred then her daycare must be the statistical jackpot of so many of that few hundred were clustered at one daycare.

Or it's more likely to be hundreds of thousands, or millions.
 
2018-03-08 06:45:38 PM  
Considering the "quality" of a large portion of 15-30 year old types I run across day to day in
my business, I'd say we need MORE education, NOT less!
Can't count change, can't speak properly, no manners, no respect, and on and on.
The education system in this country, has been taken over by the "hippy" generation
By seeding the youth with a bunch of "progressive" BS, not teaching the REAL history
of this nation, by polluting them with socialist ideals, they've produced a bunch of lDIOTS
that don't have a clue, but, will repeat the 30 second talking points as gospel.  By not
"spanking" kids when they are young, kids grow up to be adult brats, thinking they are
deserving anything they want, everything should be free etc etc.
Participation trophies, safe spaces etc, and we've produced a generation of moronic
idiots that God help us all, when they get to their middle age, and are "in charge" of
everything.
 
2018-03-08 06:53:15 PM  

spesimen: mrmopar5287: Hankie Fest: Do you think parents are home with their feet up while their kids are in school?

Lots of them are. Have you seen the number of women that are on welfare and have never had a job?

i haven't seen that number. what is it? a few hundred?


There's more than a few hundred in this small city I live in. In most cases the dad doesn't work either.
 
2018-03-08 06:56:04 PM  

p51d007: Considering the "quality" of a large portion of 15-30 year old types I run across day to day in
my business, I'd say we need MORE education, NOT less!
Can't count change, can't speak properly, no manners, no respect, and on and on.
The education system in this country, has been taken over by the "hippy" generation
By seeding the youth with a bunch of "progressive" BS, not teaching the REAL history
of this nation, by polluting them with socialist ideals, they've produced a bunch of lDIOTS
that don't have a clue, but, will repeat the 30 second talking points as gospel.  By not
"spanking" kids when they are young, kids grow up to be adult brats, thinking they are
deserving anything they want, everything should be free etc etc.
Participation trophies, safe spaces etc, and we've produced a generation of moronic
idiots that God help us all, when they get to their middle age, and are "in charge" of
everything.


The manners and respect part are supposed to be taught at home. However, in too many cases it is not.
 
2018-03-08 06:57:17 PM  

mrmopar5287: spesimen: i haven't seen that number. what is it? a few hundred?

My mother was a director of a daycare with a huge number of people that were on government-funded childcare. Judging from her experience, at least 50% of the "customers" at her daycare were in that basket. That's 50 or so out of about 100, so if you estimate a few hundred then her daycare must be the statistical jackpot of so many of that few hundred were clustered at one daycare.

Or it's more likely to be hundreds of thousands, or millions.


so you're saying you haven't seen the number either, you just have a feeling about it? if they aren't working then why did they need to put their kids in childcare in the first place?

hmm, according to the usa benefits site to get government subsidy for childcare, "In order to qualify you must also be either employed or in some States enrolled in a training or education program."

  https://www.benefits.gov/benefits/b​ene​fit-details/615
 
2018-03-08 06:58:51 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Hankie Fest: And what are parents supposed to do for child care, exactly? Ugh.

Put them in daycare?

What do parents working 2 jobs do?


Found the person with no idea how much daycare costs
 
2018-03-08 07:03:45 PM  

thehobbes: The numbers are starting to roll in showing some actual improvement over 5 day work weeks with regards to test scores.

The theory is that you don't have as much wasted "filler" time, and the students and teacher are both more focused after the 3 day weekend.

The reason there is push back is that is one more day parents can't crutch and use the school as a babysitting service and some kids only get decent nutrition on days they go to school.


Make Fridays an "afterschool" day then - sports activities, remedial tutoring, etc.
 
2018-03-08 07:10:59 PM  

thehobbes: The reason there is push back is that is one more day parents can't crutch and use the school as a babysitting service and some kids only get decent nutrition on days they go to school.


Yea, that crutch of having a job.  Those parents should get with the program and win the lotto or something
 
2018-03-08 07:12:56 PM  
An additional 20% drop in intelligence, I doubt anyone will notice at this point.
 
2018-03-08 07:16:30 PM  

Hankie Fest: thehobbes: The numbers are starting to roll in showing some actual improvement over 5 day work weeks with regards to test scores.

The theory is that you don't have as much wasted "filler" time, and the students and teacher are both more focused after the 3 day weekend.

The reason there is push back is that is one more day parents can't crutch and use the school as a babysitting service and some kids only get decent nutrition on days they go to school.

This is why I'm sad there's no "dumbass" voting.

A "crutch"? Do you think parents are home with their feet up while their kids are in school? Most are off trying to make ends meet. Adding a day that they can't work doesn't help anyone.


so instead warehousing your kid for an extra day on the states dime for worst performance is your solution?

bhcompy: thehobbes: The reason there is push back is that is one more day parents can't crutch and use the school as a babysitting service and some kids only get decent nutrition on days they go to school.

Yea, that crutch of having a job.  Those parents should get with the program and win the lotto or something


you wanted them, you figure out how to raise them.

dumbobruni: thehobbes: The numbers are starting to roll in showing some actual improvement over 5 day work weeks with regards to test scores.

The theory is that you don't have as much wasted "filler" time, and the students and teacher are both more focused after the 3 day weekend.

The reason there is push back is that is one more day parents can't crutch and use the school as a babysitting service and some kids only get decent nutrition on days they go to school.

Make Fridays an "afterschool" day then - sports activities, remedial tutoring, etc.


this
 
2018-03-08 07:18:13 PM  

AlanMooresBeard: Ketchuponsteak: Hankie Fest: And what are parents supposed to do for child care, exactly? Ugh.

Put them in daycare?

What do parents working 2 jobs do?

They work 5 days a week and kids go to school 5 days a week I would imagine.


Does working two jobs imply working for a longer duration than a school day?
 
2018-03-08 07:18:53 PM  
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2018-03-08 07:33:26 PM  

p51d007: Considering the "quality" of a large portion of 15-30 year old types I run across day to day in
my business, I'd say we need MORE education, NOT less!
Can't count change, can't speak properly, no manners, no respect, and on and on.
The education system in this country, has been taken over by the "hippy" generation
By seeding the youth with a bunch of "progressive" BS, not teaching the REAL history
of this nation, by polluting them with socialist ideals, they've produced a bunch of lDIOTS
that don't have a clue, but, will repeat the 30 second talking points as gospel.  By not
"spanking" kids when they are young, kids grow up to be adult brats, thinking they are
deserving anything they want, everything should be free etc etc.
Participation trophies, safe spaces etc, and we've produced a generation of moronic
idiots that God help us all, when they get to their middle age, and are "in charge" of
everything.


Can't tell if trolling or just stupid.
 
2018-03-08 07:39:49 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: AlanMooresBeard: Ketchuponsteak: Hankie Fest: And what are parents supposed to do for child care, exactly? Ugh.

Put them in daycare?

What do parents working 2 jobs do?

They work 5 days a week and kids go to school 5 days a week I would imagine.

Does working two jobs imply working for a longer duration than a school day?


If the kids are only going to school four days a week, that's a lot of money going out of the parent's pockets to pay for all that extra care, or a lot less hours worked by one of the parents so they can stay home all day 3 days a week.
 
2018-03-08 07:45:40 PM  
fark can the Chinese just take us over already
 
2018-03-08 07:47:57 PM  
Yeah, you enjoy your cash-strapped school system and BS post hoc rationalization for that predicament, Oklahoma.  As if the plan isn't to make your public schools so worthless that only a fool who hates their kids would enroll them there, thus functionally ending public schooling in the state.

I'm sure that'll end well.  I'll be living elsewhere.
 
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