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2018-03-08 10:47:24 AM  
She is charged with one count each of theft and unlawful production of fraudulent postsecondary education degree.

That's a thing? Uh-oh.
 
2018-03-08 11:02:18 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: She is charged with one count each of theft and unlawful production of fraudulent postsecondary education degree.

That's a thing? Uh-oh.


It's a certification.  Probably one of the first certifications.  I'm sure there is a similar infraction for fake electrician's licenses too.
 
2018-03-08 11:10:33 AM  
Well, now she can earn her degree in jail.   Maybe that was her cunning plan!
 
2018-03-08 11:11:15 AM  
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2018-03-08 11:12:35 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: She is charged with one count each of theft and unlawful production of fraudulent postsecondary education degree.

That's a thing? Uh-oh.


It's way faster and cheaper than having your dad pay off the school for decent grades while you play baseball and football only to have those darn bone spurs ruin your chances of ever getting to serve in the military.
 
2018-03-08 11:17:45 AM  

phalamir: Pazuzu Smith-Jones: She is charged with one count each of theft and unlawful production of fraudulent postsecondary education degree.

That's a thing? Uh-oh.

It's a certification.  Probably one of the first certifications.  I'm sure there is a similar infraction for fake electrician's licenses too.


That's dumb. Making pieces of paper that say things does no harm to anyone. If you use them fraudulently, yes that should be against the law. Just producing one is a victimless "crime."
 
2018-03-08 11:19:03 AM  
You don't even have to show up.  I wish I could find the story, but several years ago a guy decided to become a doctor without the pesky medical school step.  He took the name of a real doctor and managed to get copies of all the real doctors licenses.  He even called the real docs medical school and got a copy of his diploma by claiming that the original had burned in a fire.

IIRC, he practiced for several years before he was caught.
 
2018-03-08 11:22:01 AM  

Eirik: You don't even have to show up.  I wish I could find the story, but several years ago a guy decided to become a doctor without the pesky medical school step.  He took the name of a real doctor and managed to get copies of all the real doctors licenses.  He even called the real docs medical school and got a copy of his diploma by claiming that the original had burned in a fire.

IIRC, he practiced for several years before he was caught.


I worked under a public school superintendent who didn't even do that much. He just said he had the degrees, and neither the school board, nor the vetting company they hired checked if he actually had the credentials. It wasn't until a local reporter broke the story in the paper that he got busted and fired.
 
2018-03-08 11:25:15 AM  
I recieved a drinking diploma.  One of the citations was that I successfully demonstrated that a bottle of wine is not empty until all of the fumes had been sucked out of the cork.
 
2018-03-08 11:25:25 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: She is charged with one count each of theft and unlawful production of fraudulent postsecondary education degree.

That's a thing? Uh-oh.


This is the part that surprised me, too. I genuinely had no idea that making a fake diploma was illegal. And given that the accreditation process is such a shiat show these days, I'm not entirely sure that it should be.
 
2018-03-08 11:27:06 AM  
One great idea I've heard is find someone with your same name and middle initial that has the MBA and then list that school as where you got you MBA.  If the potential employer checks on you, PRESTO, you have an MBA.
 
2018-03-08 11:28:09 AM  

mrsleep: Eirik: You don't even have to show up.  I wish I could find the story, but several years ago a guy decided to become a doctor without the pesky medical school step.  He took the name of a real doctor and managed to get copies of all the real doctors licenses.  He even called the real docs medical school and got a copy of his diploma by claiming that the original had burned in a fire.

IIRC, he practiced for several years before he was caught.

I worked under a public school superintendent who didn't even do that much. He just said he had the degrees, and neither the school board, nor the vetting company they hired checked if he actually had the credentials. It wasn't until a local reporter broke the story in the paper that he got busted and fired.


Not exactly the same thing, but when I was in high school in the late 80's, the drama teacher was accused by a couple of students of harassment.  For the most part, the feeling was that he was a victim of a couple of kids that were angry about a bad grade (how do you get a bad grade in drama?)

I came out relatively soon that he had an 18 month gap on his resume that the school district had never bothered to look into.  Turned out he'd been fired from that job after being caught, naked, in the closet of one of his female students rooms by her father.

To be fair, I'm not sure how you would uncover that story pre-internet.
 
2018-03-08 11:30:11 AM  
This is how I got my JD.
 
2018-03-08 11:31:29 AM  

Eirik: You don't even have to show up.  I wish I could find the story, but several years ago a guy decided to become a doctor without the pesky medical school step.  He took the name of a real doctor and managed to get copies of all the real doctors licenses.  He even called the real docs medical school and got a copy of his diploma by claiming that the original had burned in a fire.

IIRC, he practiced for several years before he was caught.


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2018-03-08 11:31:39 AM  
Doesn't ring true. In the graduation ceremony you are handed an empty diploma cover. It makes for a lovely photo op as you shake the President's hand (or whoever is doing the handing out), but you don't get the actual diploma until graduation checks are complete, then they mail it to you.
 
2018-03-08 11:34:43 AM  
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2018-03-08 11:36:32 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: She is charged with one count each of theft and unlawful production of fraudulent postsecondary education degree.

That's a thing? Uh-oh.


Stop the presses?
 
2018-03-08 11:41:52 AM  
A surprising number of upper level executives at big companies have been caught with fraudulent degrees.  It turns out a lot of people lie on their resumes and companies don't really look that thoroughly into an employee for an entry level position, but some of them eventually get promoted to a point where stockholders and journalists start investigating them.

You gotta think, those are just the ones that don't realize the CEO of Yahoo! *when they were still semi relevant* is going to be vetted.  I bet there are a lot of people out there with forged college degrees... although I've never heard of anyone going to jail for it.

I suspect that charge was a fine, and the jail was about the theft.
 
2018-03-08 11:45:17 AM  

southernmanblog: Doesn't ring true. In the graduation ceremony you are handed an empty diploma cover. It makes for a lovely photo op as you shake the President's hand (or whoever is doing the handing out), but you don't get the actual diploma until graduation checks are complete, then they mail it to you.


Yeah, no. When I graduated, there were no diplomas handed out during the actual commencement ceremony, but afterwards, each individual school (Business, Liberal Arts, Music, Communications, etc.) had a separate reception where diplomas were handed to the grads.
 
2018-03-08 11:48:22 AM  
I'd just put up a lucrative, fake, job offer. Then change my name to match one of the diplomas I recieved with the applications.
 
2018-03-08 12:03:02 PM  
Background checks are done electronically, so you can't even make it to the hiring phase if you lied about your education. A printed diploma is nothing more than wall art.

Meanwhile, I dropped out of a broadcasting tech school, but said I graduated from there once they went out of business. No one can check! But also, no one even cares because so few people actually do what their degree indicates they should. Every HR manager or Recruiter in my career have thought "He has a degree from a small school I've never heard of, but he's also not applying to be CEO. I'm cool with that. Moving on"
 
2018-03-08 12:08:56 PM  
It's an LSU degree, so it's only a misdemeanor.
 
2018-03-08 12:10:40 PM  

southernmanblog: Doesn't ring true. In the graduation ceremony you are handed an empty diploma cover. It makes for a lovely photo op as you shake the President's hand (or whoever is doing the handing out), but you don't get the actual diploma until graduation checks are complete, then they mail it to you.


Actually, as an LSU grad after the ceremony we went to tables set up around the arena and picked them up
At least thats how it worked in 1996
/old
//geauxtigers
 
2018-03-08 12:37:13 PM  
i like how the story gets repeated in the article. It's like the writer copy-pasted it from somewhere else and then wrote it in his own words, forgetting to delete the original
 
2018-03-08 12:57:49 PM  
I for one like her mustache .... How much was the bail?
 
2018-03-08 01:03:50 PM  

southernmanblog: Doesn't ring true. In the graduation ceremony you are handed an empty diploma cover. It makes for a lovely photo op as you shake the President's hand (or whoever is doing the handing out), but you don't get the actual diploma until graduation checks are complete, then they mail it to you.


Depends.  One school I went to did the fake cover thing.  But another made sure all the checks were done before the ceremony and you got the actual thing.  There is no one true procedure for all universities.
 
2018-03-08 02:07:55 PM  
Thats how I got my degree in Gynecology.
 
2018-03-08 02:32:18 PM  
Eirik: (how do you get a bad grade in drama?)

Umm, you don't talk shiat about that total BIATCH Stephanie and how she totally slept with the teacher to get the lead role in the spring play?
 
2018-03-08 02:45:51 PM  
Should have gone to North Carolina as an athlete instead.
 
2018-03-08 02:57:29 PM  

phalamir: Pazuzu Smith-Jones: She is charged with one count each of theft and unlawful production of fraudulent postsecondary education degree.

That's a thing? Uh-oh.

It's a certification.  Probably one of the first certifications.  I'm sure there is a similar infraction for fake electrician's licenses too.


No it's not.  A degree does not allow you to do anything special.  A license does.  People with a medical degree cannot practice medicine.  A law degree, cannot practice law.  An accounting degree, cannot call themselves a CPA.

 In this case, it's not even the degree, but rather a piece of paper.  A job may require a college transcript, but no one is carrying around their diploma.

A certification has you registered and allows you to complete tasks.

These laws were created in an attempt to combat diploma mills.  They are a relatively new development.
 
2018-03-08 03:01:09 PM  

southernmanblog: Doesn't ring true. In the graduation ceremony you are handed an empty diploma cover. It makes for a lovely photo op as you shake the President's hand (or whoever is doing the handing out), but you don't get the actual diploma until graduation checks are complete, then they mail it to you.


Yes, I'm sure that this is handled exactly the same way absolutely everywhere.
 
2018-03-08 03:20:49 PM  

GDubDub: phalamir: Pazuzu Smith-Jones: She is charged with one count each of theft and unlawful production of fraudulent postsecondary education degree.

That's a thing? Uh-oh.

It's a certification.  Probably one of the first certifications.  I'm sure there is a similar infraction for fake electrician's licenses too.

No it's not.  A degree does not allow you to do anything special.  A license does.  People with a medical degree cannot practice medicine.  A law degree, cannot practice law.  An accounting degree, cannot call themselves a CPA.

 In this case, it's not even the degree, but rather a piece of paper.  A job may require a college transcript, but no one is carrying around their diploma.

A certification has you registered and allows you to complete tasks.

These laws were created in an attempt to combat diploma mills.  They are a relatively new development.


University degrees were first issued by the University of Paris in 1213 specifically to certify the bearer had actually completed their studies and was therefore allowed to teach, and backed by Papal sanction.  Licenses ape that.
 
2018-03-08 05:45:46 PM  

phalamir: southernmanblog: Doesn't ring true. In the graduation ceremony you are handed an empty diploma cover. It makes for a lovely photo op as you shake the President's hand (or whoever is doing the handing out), but you don't get the actual diploma until graduation checks are complete, then they mail it to you.

Depends.  One school I went to did the fake cover thing.  But another made sure all the checks were done before the ceremony and you got the actual thing.  There is no one true procedure for all universities.


My undergrad mailed it to you. Grad school and med school handed it out, at least they would have for grad school if they hadn't cancelled due to weather.

Still annoyed I paid $80 for a cheapass gown I couldn't return after they cancelled. They offered to let us walk in Spring (I graduated in December) but I told them to piss off- I was in med school and that was a rare Saturday off.
 
2018-03-08 06:53:59 PM  
I once had a certificate appointing me a Colonel in the Confederate Air Force.

It had my name on it and all, even signed by some guy.
 
2018-03-08 07:19:02 PM  
My diplomas showed up in the mail about 6 weeks after graduation.

gnoshyt_sherlocque: I once had a certificate appointing me a Colonel in the Confederate Air Force.
It had my name on it and all, even signed by some guy.


The Confederate Air Force is/was a group of people who restored old military planes into flyable museum pieces for air shows.  Presumably they have changed their name at some point, but they are a nifty organization.   Nothing like a WW2 Stratofortress flying overhead.
 
2018-03-09 01:16:53 AM  

lucksi: i like how the story gets repeated in the article. It's like the writer copy-pasted it from somewhere else and then wrote it in his own words, forgetting to delete the original


She didn't do it twice?
 
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