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(The Hill)   Jared Kushner to US Ambassador to Mexico: "Nah, bro, no need for you at all to show up for my meeting with the Mexican president. I got it handled just fine. We're just going to be talking about 666 Fif--- I mean, THE WALL, yeah, the wall"   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2018-03-08 02:37:24 AM  
Their hubris better be their downfall.
 
2018-03-08 02:45:12 AM  
He was just looking for some good tacos. Don't need an ambassador for that.
 
2018-03-08 02:51:27 AM  
personalization of diplomacy that will hurt U.S. interests and leverage in the region

Donnie doesn't give a rip about US interests, he only cares about his own.
 
2018-03-08 02:56:35 AM  
because that doesn't sound sketchy at all....

/sarcasm
 
2018-03-08 04:02:43 AM  

Weaver95: because that doesn't sound sketchy at all....

/sarcasm


yeah they don't like people overhearing their conversations. even Trump when he talked to Putin left his own translator. Nothing sketchy at all going on.
 
2018-03-08 04:03:47 AM  
of course this would be a perfect opportunity for Jared to be set up and recorded and then extorted.
 
2018-03-08 04:32:42 AM  

Hobodeluxe: of course this would be a perfect opportunity for Jared to be set up and recorded and then extorted.


and that's probably the best case scenario....
 
2018-03-08 07:04:28 AM  
I thought he was supposed to bring peace to the Middle East first.
 
2018-03-08 07:10:07 AM  

impaler: Their hubris better be their downfall.


At this point, they probably don't have a choice in the matter so they're in total "fark it, deal with it later" mode.

The guys with the nerve agent clauses in their contracts come first.
 
2018-03-08 07:20:12 AM  
Note to self: never talk to a Trump or a Kushner without both a witness and a tape recorder present.
 
2018-03-08 07:22:06 AM  

Hobodeluxe: of course this would be a perfect opportunity for Jared to be set up and recorded and then extorted.

Depending on who is doing the recording and the extorting.  The Democrats would be the least of my worries.

 
2018-03-08 07:22:37 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: He was just looking for some good tacos. Don't need an ambassador for that.


Hey you guys could have had Taco trucks on every corner...
 
2018-03-08 07:22:41 AM  
CLEARANCE SALE, says the giant billboard, EVERYTHING MUST GO. NO REASONABLE OFFER REFUSED.
 
2018-03-08 07:23:48 AM  
To prelare, Jared Googled "the Wall" and hired Roger Waters on as a White House advisor.
 
2018-03-08 07:24:22 AM  
*prepare

/The one time Autocorrect doesn't work...
 
2018-03-08 07:26:44 AM  
They're losing an ambassador with 31 years experience dealing with Mexico over multiple administrations.  That's just great. To probably be replaced with a junior campaign worker who has written virulent anti-Mexican screeds, never been to Mexico and can't speak the language.  All the career professionals dropping like flies is seriously not good.
/but hey deconstruction of the deep state amirite?
 
2018-03-08 07:27:25 AM  
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2018-03-08 07:28:40 AM  
I hear Kushner wouldn't talk unless Nieto showed him his badges.
 
2018-03-08 07:29:00 AM  
So either Trump got very lucky that his son-in-law has a commanding knowledge of Mexican trade and security, the Middle East peace process, the opioid crisis, and the working of the Dept of Veterans, or Trump got really bored with having to pick people to run all of those stupid departments they didn't tell him about when he was running for president as a joke, so he just grabbed the nearest guy and said "you've run real estate holdings into the ground just as I have, you're the man who can take care of all of this."

Yep, I think we all just got REALLY lucky this time.
 
2018-03-08 07:33:49 AM  

berylman: They're losing an ambassador with 31 years experience dealing with Mexico over multiple administrations.  That's just great. To probably be replaced with a junior campaign worker who has written virulent anti-Mexican screeds, never been to Mexico and can't speak the language.  All the career professionals dropping like flies is seriously not good.
/but hey deconstruction of the deep state amirite?


30 years ago, Ronald Reagan was giving amnesty to illegal immigrants as a one-time fix to the border issue. In all that time since, why hasn't the problem been solved? Perhaps longevity isn't a substitute for effectiveness.

And no, I'm not saying Lil Nepotist is effective or competent, nor do I trust Trump to find a suitable replacement.
 
2018-03-08 07:36:10 AM  

fusillade762: personalization of diplomacy that will hurt U.S. interests and leverage in the region

Donnie doesn't give a rip about US interests, he only cares about his own.


It's worse than that. Not only does he not care about US interests, but he is actively helping fight against it.

"Deep state" *is* the State.
 
2018-03-08 07:36:57 AM  
I'd love to see Nieto leave Kushner sitting in the waiting room for a couple of hours, and then once he is let in tell him "I don't deal with children and amateurs. If your country wants to talk, let them send an experienced adult."
 
2018-03-08 07:38:36 AM  

SomeAmerican: Note to self: never talk to a Trump or a Kushner without both a witness and a tape recorder present.


His own goddamn lawyers admitted 25 years ago that they had to have a second lawyer present when they talked to him.
 
2018-03-08 07:40:20 AM  
If you throw a lot of money at the military while shrinking your diplomatic ability, it kind of shows you're planning on a war.  Good thing we haven't pissed off any allies we might need help from in that war, assuming it's not them we're fighting, of course.
 
2018-03-08 07:40:27 AM  
"Everyone in the White House is grateful for these valuable contributions to furthering the president's agenda," Kelly added at the time.

When your entire agenda consists solely of a 4 letter acronym, this is not reassuring.
 
2018-03-08 07:49:13 AM  
In the end, the hijacking of the US government by organized crime was ridiculously easy. The mob just had to produce a spokesman, a comic opera buffoon, who looked and talked like he was the head mobster, the Big Don if you will, flaunt his gangsterism, and say, no gangster, no gangster, you're the gangster.

And 24% of the people bought it, another 50% stayed home because they didn't believe thwir own eyes and ears, a few voted for Anybody Better'n That _____ Hillary, and bada bing, he's in. Even the mob was stunned into silence. For a minute.

Then they found their tongue again, and they all agree, this buffoon, he's good for business.
 
2018-03-08 07:50:08 AM  
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Hey Jared, the Mexico meeting is right through this door...
 
2018-03-08 07:52:27 AM  
Jared don't need no ambassador.  Jared needs a damned good criminal defense lawyer.
 
2018-03-08 07:53:44 AM  
How many burner phones do they go through per week?
 
2018-03-08 07:55:32 AM  

Hobodeluxe: of course this would be a perfect opportunity for Jared to be set up and recorded and then extorted.


Pff! They should post the recording on YouTube for the lulz. And a digitally-signed copy couriered to Mueller for shiats and giggles.
 
2018-03-08 07:56:15 AM  

Shaggy_C: berylman: They're losing an ambassador with 31 years experience dealing with Mexico over multiple administrations.  That's just great. To probably be replaced with a junior campaign worker who has written virulent anti-Mexican screeds, never been to Mexico and can't speak the language.  All the career professionals dropping like flies is seriously not good.
/but hey deconstruction of the deep state amirite?

30 years ago, Ronald Reagan was giving amnesty to illegal immigrants as a one-time fix to the border issue. In all that time since, why hasn't the problem been solved? Perhaps longevity isn't a substitute for effectiveness.

And no, I'm not saying Lil Nepotist is effective or competent, nor do I trust Trump to find a suitable replacement.


I'd hazard a guess that it hasn't been solved because it's an incredibly complicated issue that is intertwined with the economic disparity between the countries, entrenched racism, changes in economic realities such as increased automation and AI, drug policy, immigration policy, and the fact that it is very convenient to have a target to whip people up against.  It would be extremely difficult to get any of those things individually to change in an organized manner.  It would be nearly impossible to get them to change in a concerted manner with the goal of ending illegal immigration from the south, not least because it isn't actually a big enough problem to warrant that much effort.

I'm just saying that thirty years to solve the problem sounds wildly optimistic to me.
 
2018-03-08 07:56:45 AM  

Scanty Em: CLEARANCE SALE, says the giant billboard, EVERYTHING MUST GO. NO REASONABLE OFFER REFUSED.


Ssshhh... it's TOP SECRET CLEARANCE sale. Don't be telling everyone!
 
2018-03-08 07:59:15 AM  
At first I thought Jared was making a break for it, but we have an extradition treaty with Mexico.  Even if we didn't, I'd like to think the fine people of Mexico would happily detain Jared and turn him over to the US Marshals.

Because Karma has been constipated for 3 years and she's about to take a yuuuuge dump in Klan Trump's Wheaties.
 
2018-03-08 08:05:40 AM  

Shaggy_C: berylman: They're losing an ambassador with 31 years experience dealing with Mexico over multiple administrations.  That's just great. To probably be replaced with a junior campaign worker who has written virulent anti-Mexican screeds, never been to Mexico and can't speak the language.  All the career professionals dropping like flies is seriously not good.
/but hey deconstruction of the deep state amirite?

30 years ago, Ronald Reagan was giving amnesty to illegal immigrants as a one-time fix to the border issue. In all that time since, why hasn't the problem been solved? Perhaps longevity isn't a substitute for effectiveness.

And no, I'm not saying Lil Nepotist is effective or competent, nor do I trust Trump to find a suitable replacement.


So, what are you saying?
That a 30-year career diplomat is responsible for the Government (since Reagan) failing to "solve" the border issue?
Given the problems with former efforts to "build a wall" I'd think it would be more logical to blame geography and private ownership of property than someone's career length.
And that wouldn't make sense, either.

Maybe I mis-read your point but it sure reads like "Ambassador to Mexico spent too long at job and is the reason Reagan's amnesty plan wasn't the end of illegal immigration from Mexico"

I look forward to further clarity.

In the meantime, I will just rest my head on my desk and contemplate the many failures of Jared.
 
2018-03-08 08:09:13 AM  
More personal business deals then? Jared is not qualified for State Department policy without proper security clearances. So, if he doesn't have the Ambassador present how the hell is the Ambassador going to know what is going on?

I hope Mexico outs him for what he is trying to do.
 
2018-03-08 08:09:15 AM  

Shaggy_C: berylman: They're losing an ambassador with 31 years experience dealing with Mexico over multiple administrations.  That's just great. To probably be replaced with a junior campaign worker who has written virulent anti-Mexican screeds, never been to Mexico and can't speak the language.  All the career professionals dropping like flies is seriously not good.
/but hey deconstruction of the deep state amirite?

30 years ago, Ronald Reagan was giving amnesty to illegal immigrants as a one-time fix to the border issue. In all that time since, why hasn't the problem been solved? Perhaps longevity isn't a substitute for effectiveness.

And no, I'm not saying Lil Nepotist is effective or competent, nor do I trust Trump to find a suitable replacement.


In other words, both sides are bad.
 
2018-03-08 08:13:12 AM  
Jared's frequent visits and open public statements in the Middle East show a surprisingly complex understanding of the region. Scenes achieve incredible progress. There is no reason to doubt its advantages over Mexico.He admits that Iran now considers the Arabs more than Palestine. With Iranian and Islamic militants, who are threatened to survive in large Arab states, many Arab leaders decided to establish contact with Israel and reduce interest in the Palestinian drama. Do you think President Trump's plan to transfer the US embassy to Israel to Jerusalem did not affect the huge protests in Arab metropolitan areas or the angry editorial articles of the Arab press. Kushner was one of the strongest voices in the White House in favor of the long-awaited movement. Any other intermediary will be concerned that this step will not hamper his work. Kushner knows that Iran replaced Palestine as the center of Arab interests, and he saw an opportunity that only a few people saw in Washington.
 
2018-03-08 08:19:05 AM  

snowshovel: Jared's frequent visits and open public statements in the Middle East show a surprisingly complex understanding of the region. Scenes achieve incredible progress. There is no reason to doubt its advantages over Mexico.He admits that Iran now considers the Arabs more than Palestine. With Iranian and Islamic militants, who are threatened to survive in large Arab states, many Arab leaders decided to establish contact with Israel and reduce interest in the Palestinian drama. Do you think President Trump's plan to transfer the US embassy to Israel to Jerusalem did not affect the huge protests in Arab metropolitan areas or the angry editorial articles of the Arab press. Kushner was one of the strongest voices in the White House in favor of the long-awaited movement. Any other intermediary will be concerned that this step will not hamper his work. Kushner knows that Iran replaced Palestine as the center of Arab interests, and he saw an opportunity that only a few people saw in Washington.


Are you on drugs? This early in the morning?
 
2018-03-08 08:20:03 AM  

parasol: Shaggy_C: berylman: They're losing an ambassador with 31 years experience dealing with Mexico over multiple administrations.  That's just great. To probably be replaced with a junior campaign worker who has written virulent anti-Mexican screeds, never been to Mexico and can't speak the language.  All the career professionals dropping like flies is seriously not good.
/but hey deconstruction of the deep state amirite?

30 years ago, Ronald Reagan was giving amnesty to illegal immigrants as a one-time fix to the border issue. In all that time since, why hasn't the problem been solved? Perhaps longevity isn't a substitute for effectiveness.

And no, I'm not saying Lil Nepotist is effective or competent, nor do I trust Trump to find a suitable replacement.

So, what are you saying?
That a 30-year career diplomat is responsible for the Government (since Reagan) failing to "solve" the border issue?
Given the problems with former efforts to "build a wall" I'd think it would be more logical to blame geography and private ownership of property than someone's career length.
And that wouldn't make sense, either.

Maybe I mis-read your point but it sure reads like "Ambassador to Mexico spent too long at job and is the reason Reagan's amnesty plan wasn't the end of illegal immigration from Mexico"

I look forward to further clarity.

In the meantime, I will just rest my head on my desk and contemplate the many failures of Jared.


I'm about to head out on a run (the island gets hot at midday so need to get my workout in early) so I'll give an abbreviated response now and we can expound later. The point was that our relationship with Mexico is hardly perfect, and that in many ways the same issues that dogged the relationship 30 years ago are still there today and central to the major policy platform of our current president (no matter how misguided that platform may be.) If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, what are we doing with an ambassador who has been in place since before NAFTA was even being discussed as a proposal?

The immigration issue is just one example; the point is generally more about longevity and tenure being used as a proxy for success in a role, which I am somewhat hesitant to get on board with. I don't know much about our Mexican ambassador so ill be the first to admit my opinion is based solely on the facts that the US-Mexico relationship has generally deteriorated over time and that this ambassador has been in place in the same job longer than most government worker's entire careers.

Also, Trump sucks.
 
2018-03-08 08:21:24 AM  

snowshovel: Jared's frequent visits and open public statements in the Middle East show a surprisingly complex understanding of the region. Scenes achieve incredible progress. There is no reason to doubt its advantages over Mexico.He admits that Iran now considers the Arabs more than Palestine. With Iranian and Islamic militants, who are threatened to survive in large Arab states, many Arab leaders decided to establish contact with Israel and reduce interest in the Palestinian drama. Do you think President Trump's plan to transfer the US embassy to Israel to Jerusalem did not affect the huge protests in Arab metropolitan areas or the angry editorial articles of the Arab press. Kushner was one of the strongest voices in the White House in favor of the long-awaited movement. Any other intermediary will be concerned that this step will not hamper his work. Kushner knows that Iran replaced Palestine as the center of Arab interests, and he saw an opportunity that only a few people saw in Washington.


Now this is straight up threadjacking.
 
2018-03-08 08:24:00 AM  

Shaggy_C: parasol: Shaggy_C: berylman: They're losing an ambassador with 31 years experience dealing with Mexico over multiple administrations.  That's just great. To probably be replaced with a junior campaign worker who has written virulent anti-Mexican screeds, never been to Mexico and can't speak the language.  All the career professionals dropping like flies is seriously not good.
/but hey deconstruction of the deep state amirite?

30 years ago, Ronald Reagan was giving amnesty to illegal immigrants as a one-time fix to the border issue. In all that time since, why hasn't the problem been solved? Perhaps longevity isn't a substitute for effectiveness.

And no, I'm not saying Lil Nepotist is effective or competent, nor do I trust Trump to find a suitable replacement.

So, what are you saying?
That a 30-year career diplomat is responsible for the Government (since Reagan) failing to "solve" the border issue?
Given the problems with former efforts to "build a wall" I'd think it would be more logical to blame geography and private ownership of property than someone's career length.
And that wouldn't make sense, either.

Maybe I mis-read your point but it sure reads like "Ambassador to Mexico spent too long at job and is the reason Reagan's amnesty plan wasn't the end of illegal immigration from Mexico"

I look forward to further clarity.

In the meantime, I will just rest my head on my desk and contemplate the many failures of Jared.

I'm about to head out on a run (the island gets hot at midday so need to get my workout in early) so I'll give an abbreviated response now and we can expound later. The point was that our relationship with Mexico is hardly perfect, and that in many ways the same issues that dogged the relationship 30 years ago are still there today and central to the major policy platform of our current president (no matter how misguided that platform may be.) If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, what are we doing with an ambassador who has been in place since before NAFTA was even being discussed as a proposal?

The immigration issue is just one example; the point is generally more about longevity and tenure being used as a proxy for success in a role, which I am somewhat hesitant to get on board with. I don't know much about our Mexican ambassador so ill be the first to admit my opinion is based solely on the facts that the US-Mexico relationship has generally deteriorated over time and that this ambassador has been in place in the same job longer than most government worker's entire careers.

Also, Trump sucks.


While you are out on your run, you should stop at a library and read up on what an Ambassador actually does.

HINT: It isn't "Set foriegn policy".
 
2018-03-08 08:26:04 AM  

Aquapope: If you throw a lot of money at the military while shrinking your diplomatic ability, it kind of shows you're planning on a war.  Good thing we haven't pissed off any allies we might need help from in that war, assuming it's not them we're fighting, of course.


GWB's admin told our Western European allies that they were the "old Europe" and that we didn't need them for Iraq. He shiat in that relationship because they wouldn't support our illegal war based on obvious lies only an imbecile would believe. The US figured we'd just shift towards our Eastern Europe allies who were more eager to prove themselves (don't forget Poland). Now, Trump has shiat all over our Eastern Europe allies by siding with the Russians. The republican assholes won't be happy until they destroy all of our relationships overseas and ruin the international order that maintains our primacy. These people couldn't be a dumber more worthless bunch. But don't you dare insult these fine folk by being an elitist lib who points out what they are doing.
 
2018-03-08 08:26:25 AM  

thedingoatemybaby: snowshovel: Jared's frequent visits and open public statements in the Middle East show a surprisingly complex understanding of the region. Scenes achieve incredible progress. There is no reason to doubt its advantages over Mexico.He admits that Iran now considers the Arabs more than Palestine. With Iranian and Islamic militants, who are threatened to survive in large Arab states, many Arab leaders decided to establish contact with Israel and reduce interest in the Palestinian drama. Do you think President Trump's plan to transfer the US embassy to Israel to Jerusalem did not affect the huge protests in Arab metropolitan areas or the angry editorial articles of the Arab press. Kushner was one of the strongest voices in the White House in favor of the long-awaited movement. Any other intermediary will be concerned that this step will not hamper his work. Kushner knows that Iran replaced Palestine as the center of Arab interests, and he saw an opportunity that only a few people saw in Washington.

Are you on drugs? This early in the morning?


It was drunk yesterday, so that's within the realm of possibility.
 
2018-03-08 08:29:29 AM  

snowshovel: Jared's frequent visits and open public statements in the Middle East show a surprisingly complex understanding of the region. Scenes achieve incredible progress. There is no reason to doubt its advantages over Mexico.He admits that Iran now considers the Arabs more than Palestine. With Iranian and Islamic militants, who are threatened to survive in large Arab states, many Arab leaders decided to establish contact with Israel and reduce interest in the Palestinian drama. Do you think President Trump's plan to transfer the US embassy to Israel to Jerusalem did not affect the huge protests in Arab metropolitan areas or the angry editorial articles of the Arab press. Kushner was one of the strongest voices in the White House in favor of the long-awaited movement. Any other intermediary will be concerned that this step will not hamper his work. Kushner knows that Iran replaced Palestine as the center of Arab interests, and he saw an opportunity that only a few people saw in Washington.


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2018-03-08 08:29:51 AM  

SomeAmerican: Note to self: never talk to a Trump or a Kushner without both a witness and a tape recorder present.


Not just a room full of Russians?
 
2018-03-08 08:33:18 AM  

kbronsito: Aquapope: If you throw a lot of money at the military while shrinking your diplomatic ability, it kind of shows you're planning on a war.  Good thing we haven't pissed off any allies we might need help from in that war, assuming it's not them we're fighting, of course.

GWB's admin told our Western European allies that they were the "old Europe" and that we didn't need them for Iraq. He shiat in that relationship because they wouldn't support our illegal war based on obvious lies only an imbecile would believe. The US figured we'd just shift towards our Eastern Europe allies who were more eager to prove themselves (don't forget Poland). Now, Trump has shiat all over our Eastern Europe allies by siding with the Russians. The republican assholes won't be happy until they destroy all of our relationships overseas and ruin the international order that maintains our primacy. These people couldn't be a dumber more worthless bunch. But don't you dare insult these fine folk by being an elitist lib who points out what they are doing.


They want America to be a leader in the world without doing the hard work it takes to make that happen.  It's so much easier to do it by brute force violence, and more profitable.
 
2018-03-08 08:34:57 AM  

kbronsito: GWB's admin told our Western European allies that they were the "old Europe" and that we didn't need them for Iraq. He shiat in that relationship because they wouldn't support our illegal war based on obvious lies only an imbecile would believe.


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... or another kleptocrat war criminal
 
2018-03-08 08:38:23 AM  

macadamnut: kbronsito: GWB's admin told our Western European allies that they were the "old Europe" and that we didn't need them for Iraq. He shiat in that relationship because they wouldn't support our illegal war based on obvious lies only an imbecile would believe.

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... or another kleptocrat war criminal


You forgot lap dog.
Bunch of aholes voted for Brexit because they wanted a more independent UK... there had been a better moment to exercise that streak of independence...
 
2018-03-08 08:39:14 AM  

robertus: I hear Kushner wouldn't talk unless Nieto showed him his badges.


Don't be a gringo. Of his full name Enrique Peña Nieto, the one in last position is his mother's family name, while his actual surname is Peña.

The president of Mexico is just as much "Nieto" as the president of China is "Xinping" as the president of the US is honest or competent.
 
2018-03-08 08:40:27 AM  

Hobodeluxe: of course this would be a perfect opportunity for Jared to be set up and recorded and then extorted.


I wonder what the legal hurdles would be for Mueller to get a foreign government official to wear a wire?
 
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