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(Goal)   Jonathan Klinsmann, former USMNT coach Jurgen's son, who was sent back to Germany to learn soccer the European way, is warming the bench for Hertha Berlin. According to his goalkeeping coach, Jonathan is still "way too American" to play   ( goal.com) divider line
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2018-03-07 11:10:39 PM  
I'm sure he'll pick it up somehow sitting there watching, kind of like me at home watching from the sofa.
 
2018-03-08 02:20:45 AM  
So, too fat?
 
2018-03-08 02:28:50 AM  
Well he got lit up for one points in his only outing so far, so I guess it's understandable they wouldn't want to play him again.
 
2018-03-08 03:43:45 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Well he got lit up for one points in his only outing so far, so I guess it's understandable they wouldn't want to play him again.


I was at that game. He wasn't bad at all. He even blocked a penalty kick in the 87th minute, saving them from another loss.

Klinsmann's problem is that he's third string, behind Jarstein and Kraft, which means he doesn't get to play unless one or both of them are injured.
 
2018-03-08 05:38:11 AM  
Too American? He finds the game dull and boring?
 
2018-03-08 05:50:04 AM  
so he is bad at diving?
 
2018-03-08 06:24:34 AM  
I dunno, if there's one position Americans are fairly decent at, it's usually goalie.
 
2018-03-08 06:55:05 AM  
He should ditch Jonathan and go with Johannes, or Hans?
 
2018-03-08 07:27:31 AM  
You only have to watch play in any top tier team in Europe and then watch the best MLS teams play to see what the coach is talking about. One thing that I like about the EPL is the relegation system.  Imagine that in our America pro sports.  A team that sits at the bottom of the league standings doesn't get the prime draft pick (don't get me started about the draft) they are out of the league and have to win their way back in from the AAA league.  But, here in America, we're all about team parity.
 
2018-03-08 07:30:43 AM  
Gotta learn how to flop better?
 
2018-03-08 07:40:05 AM  

advex101: You only have to watch play in any top tier team in Europe and then watch the best MLS teams play to see what the coach is talking about. One thing that I like about the EPL is the relegation system.  Imagine that in our America pro sports.  A team that sits at the bottom of the league standings doesn't get the prime draft pick (don't get me started about the draft) they are out of the league and have to win their way back in from the AAA league.  But, here in America, we're all about team parity.


In the 26 years of the current EPL, Manchester United has won half the titles (13). Next closest is Chelsea with 5. Only 6 teams in 26 years have won a title in the EPL since 1992. I'll take parity and the shot at seeing someone else win over a coin flip between Man U and one of 5 other teams every season.
 
2018-03-08 07:44:46 AM  
I knew that the US Mutant Ninja Turtles were a thing!

/that's all I see when I see the acronym
 
2018-03-08 07:54:18 AM  

Dick Gozinya: In the 26 years of the current EPL, Manchester United has won half the titles (13). Next closest is Chelsea with 5. Only 6 teams in 26 years have won a title in the EPL since 1992. I'll take parity and the shot at seeing someone else win over a coin flip between Man U and one of 5 other teams every season.


Parity sounds good, but it's really boring when it happens.

Dynasties are fun. Long time top rivals are fun. The only thing the European leagues could improve on is a more cyclical nature of the dynasties.

It's obvious the current setups were created by the top teams, because there has been very little movement in the top teams in the top leagues in the past 20 years.

I mean Bayern, Barca, Real Madrid, Man U, Chelsea, Juve, Inter. They're probably the champions of their leagues 90% of the time in the past 2 decades.

A european super league would be amazing. I wish they could pull it off.
 
2018-03-08 08:11:02 AM  

MugzyBrown: Dick Gozinya: In the 26 years of the current EPL, Manchester United has won half the titles (13). Next closest is Chelsea with 5. Only 6 teams in 26 years have won a title in the EPL since 1992. I'll take parity and the shot at seeing someone else win over a coin flip between Man U and one of 5 other teams every season.

Parity sounds good, but it's really boring when it happens.

Dynasties are fun. Long time top rivals are fun. The only thing the European leagues could improve on is a more cyclical nature of the dynasties.

It's obvious the current setups were created by the top teams, because there has been very little movement in the top teams in the top leagues in the past 20 years.

I mean Bayern, Barca, Real Madrid, Man U, Chelsea, Juve, Inter. They're probably the champions of their leagues 90% of the time in the past 2 decades.

A european super league would be amazing. I wish they could pull it off.


Dynasties are only fun if you support that team. Everyone outside of Boston hates the Patriots and their fans. Just wait and see how much love the Yankees get when they win some WS titles over the next couple years (after they finish buying up Bryce Harper to go with Judge and Stanton). The Red Wings won 4 Stanley Cups in 12 years (97-08) and all people did was biatch during the playoffs about how "I dont care who wins, as long as it isnt Detroit again." Same thing is happening with Pittsburgh currently. Some of the most boring college basketball ever was being played when UCLA won 10 titles in the 12 years from 64 to 75. Dynasties suck.
 
2018-03-08 08:50:07 AM  
The "too American" to play thing would hold water if the United States hadn't successfully sent goalkeepers abroad to play for teams in top leagues.  Kasey Keller, Brad Friedel, Brad Guzan, Marcus Hahnemann, Jurgen Sommer, Tim Howard, etc, etc etc.  Klinsmann would be playing if he were better than the first and second choice goalkeepers.  He's a 20-year-old goalkeeper in one of Europe's top leagues.  Outside of the prodigious talents like de Gea, Donnarumma, and the like, find me 20-year-old goalkeepers who are playing consistently.
 
2018-03-08 08:50:18 AM  

Dick Gozinya: MugzyBrown: Dick Gozinya: In the 26 years of the current EPL, Manchester United has won half the titles (13). Next closest is Chelsea with 5. Only 6 teams in 26 years have won a title in the EPL since 1992. I'll take parity and the shot at seeing someone else win over a coin flip between Man U and one of 5 other teams every season.

Parity sounds good, but it's really boring when it happens.

Dynasties are fun. Long time top rivals are fun. The only thing the European leagues could improve on is a more cyclical nature of the dynasties.

It's obvious the current setups were created by the top teams, because there has been very little movement in the top teams in the top leagues in the past 20 years.

I mean Bayern, Barca, Real Madrid, Man U, Chelsea, Juve, Inter. They're probably the champions of their leagues 90% of the time in the past 2 decades.

A european super league would be amazing. I wish they could pull it off.

Dynasties are only fun if you support that team. Everyone outside of Boston hates the Patriots and their fans. Just wait and see how much love the Yankees get when they win some WS titles over the next couple years (after they finish buying up Bryce Harper to go with Judge and Stanton). The Red Wings won 4 Stanley Cups in 12 years (97-08) and all people did was biatch during the playoffs about how "I dont care who wins, as long as it isnt Detroit again." Same thing is happening with Pittsburgh currently. Some of the most boring college basketball ever was being played when UCLA won 10 titles in the 12 years from 64 to 75. Dynasties suck.


But the flip side of that is when you support a team that decides to tank its way to the top and just refuses to play to win.  Promotion/relegation kills that abomination dead.

I wouldn't support promotion/relegation for every sport in the US.  But for soccer, absolutely.  There's already a thriving second tier, and many of its teams have fanbases which would love to step up to the MLS.  Soccer fans in the US watch the European leagues and get the point of promotion/relegation.  I think in the end it would actually make MLS a lot more attractive to foreign talent:  they'd at least know their new team isn't going to give up at the end of the season when they can't make the playoffs, which usually ends up in their stars being benched.
 
2018-03-08 08:57:47 AM  

IAmRight: I dunno, if there's one position Americans are fairly decent at, it's usually goalie.


Agreed. Guzan, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Hahnemann all played significant minutes in the EPL. Probably more than the top 10 outfield Americans combined...

(Dempsey, McBride, Bocanegra, Donovan, Cameron, Reyna, Yedlin....help, I'm running out...Harkes? Wegerle? Holden? Moore? Demerit?)
 
2018-03-08 09:03:41 AM  

Dick Gozinya: Dynasties are only fun if you support that team. Everyone outside of Boston hates the Patriots and their fans.


Nope you're wrong. Because it's fun to try to beat the dynasty too.

From a local perspective: Phillies beating the Rays in the World Series.. cool. Eagles beating the Patriots in the Super Bowl - awesome.  Why? Everyone outside of Boston hates the Patriots and their fans

Usually the worst sports years are the years with the most parity and you forget all about them because it sucked. Like when the Giants and Ravens were in the Super Bowl.. what a shiat season that was. Both teams were pretty meh because there weren't any great teams that year. I mean without exaggeration, one of the best Raven's offensive strategies was having a very good punt team.
 
2018-03-08 09:05:00 AM  

Dick Gozinya: Dynasties are only fun if you support that team. Everyone outside of Boston hates the Patriots and their fans. Just wait and see how much love the Yankees get when they win some WS titles over the next couple years (after they finish buying up Bryce Harper to go with Judge and Stanton). The Red Wings won 4 Stanley Cups in 12 years (97-08) and all people did was biatch during the playoffs about how "I dont care who wins, as long as it isnt Detroit again." Same thing is happening with Pittsburgh currently. Some of the most boring college basketball ever was being played when UCLA won 10 titles in the 12 years from 64 to 75. Dynasties suck.


UConn might actually kill women's basketball.

ESPN used to push it. Used to.
 
2018-03-08 09:08:45 AM  

MugzyBrown: From a local perspective: Phillies beating the Rays in the World Series.. cool. Eagles beating the Patriots in the Super Bowl - awesome. Why? Everyone outside of Boston hates the Patriots and their fans


Did you enjoy listening to Shoepisser felate Jeter during the Phillies-Yankees WS? Did you enjoy listening to Patrick felate Brady as he interviewed Foles?

Dynasties suck.
 
2018-03-08 09:12:00 AM  
Wouldn't it be better if he asked to be sent out on loan to a lower Bundesliga squad  or to another club in another country that gets into CL like Porto, Basel, Besiktas. At least he'd have a chance of playing. I get why he's in Germany but he and the USA need to get him ready long term to help out the national team.
 
2018-03-08 09:27:09 AM  

The Third Man: But the flip side of that is when you support a team that decides to tank its way to the top and just refuses to play to win. Promotion/relegation kills that abomination dead.


If you support your horribly awful team you've got:
A) Tankapalooza, and maybe some hope that you can land a great draft pick that's the foundation for a brighter future?
B) Relegation, where anybody any good at all on the team has an out clause, and if you're not English, there's no "golden parachute" payment, so the odds of you going literally bankrupt start climbing higher?

I'm no fan of Tankapalooza, and I wish there were better, easier ways to "fire" ownership, but the European system is pure, Old World aristocracy. Manchester City, literally owned by a Royal Family, is the farking "new money." Leicester is both the best thing and the worst thing to happen to soccer, b/c it was exciting and amazing and incredible, but it distracted everyone from the critical, foundational flaws in the whole system that need to change. (Similar, smaller comparisons can be made to BVB Dortmund and Atletico Madrid).
 
2018-03-08 09:31:42 AM  
Too American? That's like saying "too Nazi". Oops.
 
2018-03-08 10:00:28 AM  

Dick Gozinya: Dynasties are only fun if you support that team. Everyone outside of Boston hates the Patriots and their fans. Just wait and see how much love the Yankees get when they win some WS titles over the next couple years (after they finish buying up Bryce Harper to go with Judge and Stanton). The Red Wings won 4 Stanley Cups in 12 years (97-08) and all people did was biatch during the playoffs about how "I dont care who wins, as long as it isnt Detroit again." Same thing is happening with Pittsburgh currently. Some of the most boring college basketball ever was being played when UCLA won 10 titles in the 12 years from 64 to 75. Dynasties suck.


I don't remember people complaining when the Bulls won 6 championships in the 90's.  Dynasties are fun.  You're getting to watch the absolute best do what they do year after year.  The fact that some teams are able to dominate like that for years is amazing.  It only sucks if you're just a fan of your team, not a fan of the game.
 
2018-03-08 10:07:17 AM  

Trocadero: The Third Man: But the flip side of that is when you support a team that decides to tank its way to the top and just refuses to play to win. Promotion/relegation kills that abomination dead.

If you support your horribly awful team you've got:
A) Tankapalooza, and maybe some hope that you can land a great draft pick that's the foundation for a brighter future?
B) Relegation, where anybody any good at all on the team has an out clause, and if you're not English, there's no "golden parachute" payment, so the odds of you going literally bankrupt start climbing higher?

I'm no fan of Tankapalooza, and I wish there were better, easier ways to "fire" ownership, but the European system is pure, Old World aristocracy. Manchester City, literally owned by a Royal Family, is the farking "new money." Leicester is both the best thing and the worst thing to happen to soccer, b/c it was exciting and amazing and incredible, but it distracted everyone from the critical, foundational flaws in the whole system that need to change. (Similar, smaller comparisons can be made to BVB Dortmund and Atletico Madrid).


Leicester wouldn't even have happened without promotion/relegation.  They were in the second tier as recently as 2014.

Promotion and relegation aren't just about the top of the league, they're also for teams who want to move up in soccer.  I live in Rochester.  The Rochester Rhinos were one of soccer's biggest clubs back in the post-WWII era.  When MLS came around, Rochester (obviously) wasn't considered a major market for the sport, so the Rhinos got shunted down to the second tier (and later the third tier when USL decided Rochester wasn't even a big enough market for them).  Was Rochester a lousy team?  On the contrary, they were champions of USL in 1998, 2000, and 2001, and won the freaking US Open Cup (against MLS teams) in 1999.

In Europe, Rochester would have been promoted to MLS and started playing against the big clubs.  They would have gained TV exposure and higher gate receipts.  They might have attracted big-name European talent.  The whole city would have become soccer crazy.  MLS might have had its own Leicester story.  People would have been talking about Rochester for something other than it being the city that used to have Kodak, Xerox, and Bausch and Lomb.

What are the Rochester Rhinos like now?  Well, I can't tell you, because they've gone on hiatus for 2018.  Without promotion opportunities, fans realized there were no stars to shoot for and stopped showing up. They knew MLS was never going to give Rochester a franchise just based on "market share" no matter how many fans came to the games (and back in the 90's and 2000's, average attendance topped 11,000, close to the average attendance for MLS as a whole and more than a few MLS teams).  Instead, no matter how good the team was and how passionate the fan base was, MLS let Rochester soccer just wither and die.

THAT'S what promotion and relegation brings you.  Lack of promotion and relegation doesn't stop dynasties from forming:  look at UCLA men's basketball, the UConn women's team, the Yankees, the Patriots...but what it does prevent happening are the stories like Leicester.  To be honest, without promotion MLS is just another league.  In the 90's MLS could have used a fan base like Rochester's--passionate and knowledgeable about soccer.  If promotion had been around, they would have gotten that.  Instead, pro soccer outside the top tier is a joke, and US Soccer threw away their shot at making soccer a major sport as a result.
 
2018-03-08 10:16:42 AM  
Assholes. Giving a shiat about soccer is about as unAmerican as you can get.
 
2018-03-08 11:31:29 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Dick Gozinya: Dynasties are only fun if you support that team. Everyone outside of Boston hates the Patriots and their fans. Just wait and see how much love the Yankees get when they win some WS titles over the next couple years (after they finish buying up Bryce Harper to go with Judge and Stanton). The Red Wings won 4 Stanley Cups in 12 years (97-08) and all people did was biatch during the playoffs about how "I dont care who wins, as long as it isnt Detroit again." Same thing is happening with Pittsburgh currently. Some of the most boring college basketball ever was being played when UCLA won 10 titles in the 12 years from 64 to 75. Dynasties suck.

I don't remember people complaining when the Bulls won 6 championships in the 90's.  Dynasties are fun.  You're getting to watch the absolute best do what they do year after year.  The fact that some teams are able to dominate like that for years is amazing.  It only sucks if you're just a fan of your team, not a fan of the game.


actually, there was a lot of complaining about the Bulls then. You just didnt hear much of it nationally because no internet or social media like today, and the NBA could drown it out by fellating the shiat out of the Bulls because they needed Jordan to save the NBA. The NBA was basically bankrupt in the 70s and was only saved by the duo of Magic and Bird. Then Magic got the HIV and Bird broke down and the league needed a new poster boy. Couldnt use the Pistons because they played "thugball", so the league threw its weight behind Jordan and made sure he was finally able to beat the Pistons. And they were fine letting him "retire" because Shaq had come along and become popular so the league had the "next one" ready to go after Jordan. After Shaq, you got LeBron. And so on.
 
2018-03-08 11:40:45 AM  
"Too American" is code for "I'm a German and I'm scared of the Americans coming over here and kicking our ass for a 3rd time in one century."
 
2018-03-08 11:43:19 AM  

Dick Gozinya: actually


You're wrong

NBA Finals average TV ratings

Bulls 1 - 15.8
Bulls 2 - 14.2
Bulls 3 - 17.9
no Bulls - 12.0
no Bulls - 13.9
Bulls 4 - 16.7
Bulls 5 - 16.8
Bulls 6 - 18.7
no Bulls - 11.3
no Bulls + Shaq/Kobe - 11.6
no Bulls + Shaq/Kobe - 12.1
no Bulls + Shaq/Kobe - 10.2

People LOVED the Bulls & Jordan
 
2018-03-08 11:51:26 AM  

star_bury: IAmRight: I dunno, if there's one position Americans are fairly decent at, it's usually goalie.

Agreed. Guzan, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Hahnemann all played significant minutes in the EPL. Probably more than the top 10 outfield Americans combined...

(Dempsey, McBride, Bocanegra, Donovan, Cameron, Reyna, Yedlin....help, I'm running out...Harkes? Wegerle? Holden? Moore? Demerit?)


Yep. Casey Keller killed it in the Bundesliga too. If there is one way America punches their weight or above in soccer, it's goalkeepers.
 
2018-03-08 11:55:03 AM  
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2018-03-08 12:21:41 PM  

MugzyBrown: Dick Gozinya: actually

You're wrong

NBA Finals average TV ratings

Bulls 1 - 15.8
Bulls 2 - 14.2
Bulls 3 - 17.9
no Bulls - 12.0
no Bulls - 13.9
Bulls 4 - 16.7
Bulls 5 - 16.8
Bulls 6 - 18.7
no Bulls - 11.3
no Bulls + Shaq/Kobe - 11.6
no Bulls + Shaq/Kobe - 12.1
no Bulls + Shaq/Kobe - 10.2

People LOVED the Bulls & Jordan


No, not really. Cherry picked statistics are meaningless. Your claim is that nobody complained about the Bulls in the 90s. All those numbers show is that people watched; they don't show anything about team loyalty or love. How many of those people watched because they wanted to see the Bulls lose? You can't tell that from those numbers. Yes, the viewership was down when the Bulls weren't in it because nobody cared about the Rockets in the mid 90s and nobody cared about the resurgent Lakers of the early 2000s.


The Patriots played in the most-watched game and broadcast in U.S. history, Super Bowl XLIX against the Seattle Seahawks in 2015. The Patriots also played in the fourth- (XLVI, New York Giants, 2012) and fifth-most-watched (LI, Atlanta Falcons, 2017) broadcasts of all time.

By these numbers and your logic, that means everyone loves Tom Brady and the Patriots right? Right?
 
2018-03-08 12:53:12 PM  

Dick Gozinya: How many of those people watched because they wanted to see the Bulls lose? You can't tell that from those numbers. Yes, the viewership was down when the Bulls weren't in it because nobody cared about the Rockets in the mid 90s and nobody cared about the resurgent Lakers of the early 2000s.


lol that's the point. That's why dynasties are good because people latch on, both pro and con.

Nobody cared about the rockets. You're right, they weren't compelling.

The 90's Bulls were compelling. The 80's Celtics/Lakers/76ers were compelling and drew numbers. Nobody wanted parity.

Parity sucks. People want greatness.
 
2018-03-08 12:53:53 PM  

Dick Gozinya: By these numbers and your logic, that means everyone loves Tom Brady and the Patriots right? Right?


Thanks for making my argument.
 
2018-03-08 12:56:34 PM  
This just in -

It's rare for 20 year olds to be starters in top sports leagues in the world.

Also, it's even more rare for 20 year old GKs to be starters in top leagues in the world.

Also Also, it's like an NFL Quarterback position.  There's only so many starting jobs available (it's not like being a midfielder, where a big club will carry 10+ of on the roster and 6 or 7 of those can play regularly every month).  And when you find a good/great one, they'll play until they're damn near 40.
 
2018-03-08 06:05:25 PM  

MugzyBrown: Dick Gozinya: How many of those people watched because they wanted to see the Bulls lose? You can't tell that from those numbers. Yes, the viewership was down when the Bulls weren't in it because nobody cared about the Rockets in the mid 90s and nobody cared about the resurgent Lakers of the early 2000s.

lol that's the point. That's why dynasties are good because people latch on, both pro and con.

Nobody cared about the rockets. You're right, they weren't compelling.

The 90's Bulls were compelling. The 80's Celtics/Lakers/76ers were compelling and drew numbers. Nobody wanted parity.

Parity sucks. People want greatness.


There's a happy medium between the two. You need enough parity for teams to feel they have a chance, but you need teams to get hated (for the right reasons).

Promotion and relegation, though, are stupid ideas in the States, with the huge disparity between stadium sizes, no real ties to localities among a populace, and the fact that teams getting relegated will disappear completely. People here don't support crap teams (Cleveland Browns excepted).
 
2018-03-08 11:27:13 PM  

IAmRight: MugzyBrown: Dick Gozinya: How many of those people watched because they wanted to see the Bulls lose? You can't tell that from those numbers. Yes, the viewership was down when the Bulls weren't in it because nobody cared about the Rockets in the mid 90s and nobody cared about the resurgent Lakers of the early 2000s.

lol that's the point. That's why dynasties are good because people latch on, both pro and con.

Nobody cared about the rockets. You're right, they weren't compelling.

The 90's Bulls were compelling. The 80's Celtics/Lakers/76ers were compelling and drew numbers. Nobody wanted parity.

Parity sucks. People want greatness.

There's a happy medium between the two. You need enough parity for teams to feel they have a chance, but you need teams to get hated (for the right reasons).

Promotion and relegation, though, are stupid ideas in the States, with the huge disparity between stadium sizes, no real ties to localities among a populace, and the fact that teams getting relegated will disappear completely. People here don't support crap teams (Cleveland Browns excepted).


On the whole relegation concept.

It is insanity to believe it could be implemented as sports have developed in the US. It would be impossible to get owners consent for such a system that would voluntarily agree to put at risk the value of their ownership stake and media cut?  Do you honestly believe any of these media providers who spend billions on league contracts would agree to pay out the massive contracts to the leagues if there is a risk that the LA market could be replaced by Ceder Rapids, Iowa or New York replaced by Portland, Maine?  Would advertisers really want to splurge on the league sponsorships and develop those team relationships if they could be undone by a bad season or two dramatically reducing the market or value of investment?  The lawsuits from the interested parties would kill any attempt to change things.

It just doesn't make sense for the way sports have developed in the US.  Maybe it works in Europe, I think it is questionable given the dominance of certain teams, but if they are comfortable with that, so be it.
 
2018-03-09 02:14:43 AM  
Listen, a sport doesn't suck because one team does not win all the time.... a sport sucks because it sucks.

Now, a LEAGUE can suck because one team wins all the time, depending on the reason. Euro soccer leagues in the big four nations are usually so damn topheavy they make the Yankees blush.
 
2018-03-09 04:40:51 AM  

puffy999: Listen, a sport doesn't suck because one team does not win all the time.... a sport sucks because it sucks.

Now, a LEAGUE can suck because one team wins all the time, depending on the reason. Euro soccer leagues in the big four nations are usually so damn topheavy they make the Yankees blush.


A sport ties if the players, coaches, and fans think a tie is anything but shameful.
 
2018-03-09 04:41:35 AM  

stoli n coke: puffy999: Listen, a sport doesn't suck because one team does not win all the time.... a sport sucks because it sucks.

Now, a LEAGUE can suck because one team wins all the time, depending on the reason. Euro soccer leagues in the big four nations are usually so damn topheavy they make the Yankees blush.

A sport ties if the players, coaches, and fans think a tie is anything but shameful.


A sport sucks if its players, coaches, and fans think a tie is anything but shameful.
 
2018-03-09 12:21:19 PM  

star_bury: IAmRight: I dunno, if there's one position Americans are fairly decent at, it's usually goalie.

Agreed. Guzan, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Hahnemann all played significant minutes in the EPL. Probably more than the top 10 outfield Americans combined...

(Dempsey, McBride, Bocanegra, Donovan, Cameron, Reyna, Yedlin....help, I'm running out...Harkes? Wegerle? Holden? Moore? Demerit?)


Chandler, Pulisic...
 
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