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2018-03-07 08:20:35 PM  
Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

Scooby Dooby Dooooo.   Good on you.
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2018-03-07 09:04:53 PM  
In an anti-education state like Florida, the last thing a politician should want is thousands of armed teachers.
 
2018-03-07 09:57:59 PM  
Arm football coaches. Great idea.
 
2018-03-07 10:07:11 PM  

Mugato: Arm football coaches. Great idea.


"And there's the kick... OHHH, the field goal fails because the opposing coach shot the ball"
 
2018-03-07 10:14:22 PM  

Mugato: Arm football coaches. Great idea.


I'm a pissed off band teacher who sees budget cuts every year. Don't arm me at school, either.

I have guns. Quite a few. But they're like Howard Hughes in his later years -- they stay home, don't go out in public, and rarely see daylight.

Except my guns don't pee in jars.

I figure that if I ever find myself in a position where I feel like I have to arm myself to go to the grocery store (like a lot of assholes here in Arizona), either A) society has broken down to a point where it's not worth it to risk going to the grocery store, or B) I have lost too much of my manhood to show myself in public, anyway.
 
2018-03-07 10:20:28 PM  
This one time in NRA band camp ...
 
2018-03-07 10:28:50 PM  

Pinnacle Point: This one time in NRA band camp ...


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2018-03-07 11:13:45 PM  
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Unavailable for comment.
 
2018-03-07 11:19:44 PM  
My elementary school band director was busted with kiddie porn in the trunk of his car.  But hey, give him a gun.  I'm sure that'll work out.
 
2018-03-07 11:21:01 PM  

wademh: Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

Scooby Dooby Dooooo.   Good on you.
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Bullshiat.
It doesn't do shiat.
It's complete garbage to appeal to the Republican base and never change anything.
 
2018-03-07 11:25:34 PM  
One giant step backwards for mankind.
 
2018-03-07 11:26:03 PM  
wademh

Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

The same age group that is eating Tide Pods.
 
2018-03-07 11:26:19 PM  
Would you give a weapon to someone who has been listening to a room full of novice clarinet players for months?
 
2018-03-07 11:26:59 PM  
I hope these teachers with guns are prepared to take the blame when they can't stop a killing in their school, because I guarantee you that's where the NRA and their goons  is going to place the blame. Suckers.
 
2018-03-07 11:28:07 PM  

shastacola: I hope these teachers with guns are prepared to take the blame when they can't stop a killing in their school, because I guarantee you that's where the NRA and their goons  is going to place the blame. Suckers.


*are* going to place blame.
 
2018-03-07 11:28:16 PM  

Begoggle: wademh: Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

Scooby Dooby Dooooo.   Good on you.
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Bullshiat.
It doesn't do shiat.
It's complete garbage to appeal to the Republican base and never change anything.


No. It does add funding for mental health services. It does increase the minimum age for buying a gun to 21 and adds a 3 day waiting period (matching long guns to hand guns).

There were many Ds that voted against it. They also voted for an amendment to ban assault rifles, so their no votes are no because it didn't go far enough. Then there are R no votes that voted against the amendment to ban assault rifles. So the bill cut some middle ground.

I get wanting much much more but it is a start. And it does show that the GOP knew that they had to do something. Next up is keeping up the pressure and letting them know that this start isn't enough. Thing is, declaring it a failure and then giving up is what the NRA would like. Screw them and screw your defeatist response. It's just the beginning.
 
2018-03-07 11:28:56 PM  

shastacola: I hope these teachers with guns are prepared to take the blame when they can't stop a killing in their school, because I guarantee you that's where the NRA and their goons  is going to place the blame. Suckers.


They will say the teachers are "mentally ill".
 
2018-03-07 11:29:28 PM  

wademh: I get wanting much much more but it is a start. And it does show that the GOP knew that they had to do something.


Nope.
 
2018-03-07 11:29:35 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: wademh

Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

The same age group that is eating Tide Pods.


Perhaps you know, what do they call Tide pods in Russia?
 
2018-03-07 11:29:39 PM  
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Yep. Definitely should carry a gun.
 
2018-03-07 11:29:53 PM  
When I think back to my own education experience, the two kinds of teacher who were the most likely to lose their shiat at any moment in a fit of anger, were always the football coaches and the band directors.

Now if you want a teacher who can keep their chill and not lose their wits, arm the Driver's Ed teachers.  They're used to staring death in the eye and keeping a calm head. 

The art teachers are also really calm, but probably a little to much so.  They'd probably misplace their guns, or worse, try to turn them into some kind of herbal medication dispenser.
 
2018-03-07 11:30:05 PM  
My high school band teacher was a goddamned lunatic who would scream at us so hard when we messed up field shows that the veins stood out in his face. I can't imagine him with a gun on the field.

/Nor can I see him running to the rescue during the school shooting we actually had.
//Or running, period
 
2018-03-07 11:34:18 PM  
wademh

Random Anonymous Blackmail: wademh

Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

The same age group that is eating Tide Pods.

Perhaps you know, what do they call Tide pods in Russia?


Generation cleansers?
 
2018-03-07 11:34:45 PM  
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2018-03-07 11:40:07 PM  
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2018-03-07 11:41:23 PM  
A little off topic, but I once rented a fully automatic MP5 submachinegun to shoot on a range.  You go in, they lock a big metal door behind you, and a guy brings out the submachinegun from another locked door and goes over it's function and some safety rules.  He vanishes back out a heavy metal door, that again locks behind him, and you shoot the gun until you blow through a couple hundred dollars worth of ammo. Guy comes through the door again, collects the gun, and the entire time there is no way to leave without being allowed out, because a second guy controls the locks and he is in a separate room.

As much as I love shooting, there are some guns I am just not comfortable with civilians having in their homes.  However, I wouldn't be opposed to every city having a controlled range where you could go to shoot military style guns.  It just needs to be done in such a way that a lunatic can't decide to go try his gun out on a group of innocent people.

Shotguns, hunting rifles, and pistols for home defense sure, but we need a better excuse for having military like stuff floating out there killing people, then because it is someone's hobby.
 
2018-03-07 11:45:07 PM  
Is there a band teacher who isn't packing?
 
2018-03-07 11:47:45 PM  
Imagine what Larry Nassar could have gotten away with if he held a gun to his victims' heads.

/each victim had one head...my English is particularly confusing tonight.
 
2018-03-07 11:49:27 PM  
Band directors with guns.  Jesus, Joseph, and Mary.
 
2018-03-07 11:50:17 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: wademh

Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

The same age group that is eating Tide Pods.


Last year saw about 55 documented cases of actual deliberate ingestion of Tide Pods by teens. Which may explain right there why I don't know anybody that's actually done it. So enough with the damn Tide Pods as some kind of rhetorical device to bad-mouth and dismiss an entire generation.
 
2018-03-07 11:55:16 PM  

winedrinkingman: When I think back to my own education experience, the two kinds of teacher who were the most likely to lose their shiat at any moment in a fit of anger, were always the football coaches and the band directors.

Now if you want a teacher who can keep their chill and not lose their wits, arm the Driver's Ed teachers.  They're used to staring death in the eye and keeping a calm head. 

The art teachers are also really calm, but probably a little to much so.  They'd probably misplace their guns, or worse, try to turn them into some kind of herbal medication dispenser.


I say cut to the middle ground; arm the math teachers.
 
2018-03-07 11:58:03 PM  
Band directors know how to fire cannons. All they need is the band playing the 1812 Overture...and a cannon.
 
2018-03-08 12:05:41 AM  
Arming the Drama Club? Awesome! They could put on an historically accurate rendition of "Our American Cousin."
 
2018-03-08 12:08:00 AM  
Arming high school football coaches? Why not? They're basically failed drill sergeants anyway.
 
2018-03-08 12:08:04 AM  
FTA: "Teachers who perform additional duties, like coaching football or heading the drama club, would be allowed to participate, along with administrators and cafeteria workers."  Drama teachers are weapons grade nuts. They are people who wanted to be actors (already nutty), but weren't good enough so they are nuts with deep seated resentment. The drama teachers that I have known were probably bipolar. So, go on, give them guns and then watch out when the students in the high school play haven't learned their lines for a rehearsal.
 
2018-03-08 12:09:15 AM  
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Random Anonymous Blackmail: wademh

Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

The same age group that is eating Tide Pods.

Last year saw about 55 documented cases of actual deliberate ingestion of Tide Pods by teens. Which may explain right there why I don't know anybody that's actually done it. So enough with the damn Tide Pods as some kind of rhetorical device to bad-mouth and dismiss an entire generation.


Lighten up Francis.
 
2018-03-08 12:11:30 AM  
Effective band instructors are the last people you want to keep regularly armed
 
2018-03-08 12:12:29 AM  
"School shooter subdued by Christian music student wielding a violin! Praise Jesus! He has rosin!"
 
2018-03-08 12:19:18 AM  

wademh: Random Anonymous Blackmail: wademh

Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

The same age group that is eating Tide Pods.

Perhaps you know, what do they call Tide pods in Russia?


In Russia, Tide pods call YOU!
 
2018-03-08 12:26:36 AM  

winedrinkingman: When I think back to my own education experience, the two kinds of teacher who were the most likely to lose their shiat at any moment in a fit of anger, were always the football coaches and the band directors.


What about shop teachers? Except they have to have both trigger fingers.
 
2018-03-08 12:39:35 AM  
I remember back in the 70's my PE, history, and shop teachers carried pistols. They never showed them off or unholstered them. They were big men and enforced the school rules. For some strange reason, we knew the librarian was also armed. She was a tiny, older lady. I don't know if my other teachers carried.
 
2018-03-08 12:53:59 AM  

wademh: Begoggle: wademh: Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

Scooby Dooby Dooooo.   Good on you.
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Bullshiat.
It doesn't do shiat.
It's complete garbage to appeal to the Republican base and never change anything.

No. It does add funding for mental health services. It does increase the minimum age for buying a gun to 21 and adds a 3 day waiting period (matching long guns to hand guns).

There were many Ds that voted against it. They also voted for an amendment to ban assault rifles, so their no votes are no because it didn't go far enough. Then there are R no votes that voted against the amendment to ban assault rifles. So the bill cut some middle ground.

I get wanting much much more but it is a start. And it does show that the GOP knew that they had to do something. Next up is keeping up the pressure and letting them know that this start isn't enough. Thing is, declaring it a failure and then giving up is what the NRA would like. Screw them and screw your defeatist response. It's just the beginning.


If Democrats voted against the bill because it did not include an idiotic provision to ban certain styling on rifles then they are idiots and their "no" votes are indefensible. Voting against needed regulation because the bill does not include a provision that accomplishes nothing is stupid.

I suspect that most of the Demcratic "no" votes were because the bill included provisions to arm school officials. That provision is itself objectionable enough to warrant a vote against the bill. The absence of a ban on collapsing stocks and pistol grips on rifles is not.
 
2018-03-08 01:10:20 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Band directors know how to fire cannons. All they need is the band playing the 1812 Overture...and a cannon.


My junior high band teacher in 1987 got parents together to help us play the 1812 Overture with shotguns (blank cartridges) in our new auditorium. It's one of the coolest things I've ever played in.

Later, when I was in high school, and playing violin in orchestra (I switched back and forth between violin and trombone), we did the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah. It's written in D Major, but our band arrangement was in D-flat. The band sounded terrible trying to transpose from D-flat to D-natural, so said band teacher said, "Why don't we just tune the strings down a half-step and play it as written?"

It was perfect.

She was a pragmatic genius.
 
2018-03-08 01:22:58 AM  

foo monkey: My elementary school band director was busted with kiddie porn in the trunk of his car.  But hey, give him a gun.  I'm sure that'll work out.


My middle school band teacher had kiddie porn on his computer, AND had inappropriate relations with a student.

Sad trombone.
 
2018-03-08 01:59:11 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: wademh

Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

The same age group that is eating Tide Pods.


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2018-03-08 02:31:58 AM  
I like the idea of arming cafeteria workers. The next time some poor kid has his lunch taken out of his hands because his parents haven't paid up, the cafeteria worker can walk up to the administrator and say "Do we have a problem?" while pushing their apron back to show the gun on their hip.
 
2018-03-08 03:03:00 AM  

Birnone: I like the idea of arming cafeteria workers. The next time some poor kid has his lunch taken out of his hands because his parents haven't paid up, the cafeteria worker can walk up to the administrator and say "Do we have a problem?" while pushing their apron back to show the gun on their hip.


The last Administrator who tried that with me regretted it. His name was Joe. Now you sit down and let me fix you my special. Here's a Sloppy Joe. Eat hearty  Bwaahaaahaahaaa.
 
2018-03-08 08:01:00 AM  
Wait a minute, I'm a band director and a football coach. Can I carry two guns to school then?
 
2018-03-08 08:06:31 AM  

Begoggle: wademh: Perhaps not the perfect bill but does some good thing. 3 day waiting period, minimum age 21, better provisions to disarm dangerously ill people. And it's almost all because of a group of kids.

Scooby Dooby Dooooo.   Good on you.
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Bullshiat.
It doesn't do shiat.
It's complete garbage to appeal to the Republican base and never change anything.


It's complete garbage to appeal to the Republican Regressive Dependocrat base and keep the children as targets. "You have to break some eggs if you want to make an omelette." If getting a few dozen kids killed helps to advance the agenda and disarm the peasants what does it matter in the long run?
 
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