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2018-03-07 07:40:24 PM  
Clock? we need a freeking stop watch.
 
2018-03-07 07:52:52 PM  
'Murica.
 
2018-03-07 07:53:28 PM  
Quick, tell me, are the guns OK?
 
2018-03-07 08:32:05 PM  
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2018-03-07 08:40:52 PM  
Maybe just take the batteries out
 
2018-03-07 08:58:19 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Quick, tell me, are the guns OK?


It was an accident, so it's okay.
 
2018-03-08 01:52:04 AM  
At least two gunshots were fired

Sure, "accident".
 
2018-03-08 02:05:57 AM  
This is the price of freedum. Keep those thoughts and prayers coming
 
2018-03-08 02:36:57 AM  
I thought this was going to be a thread about daylight saving time.
 
2018-03-08 04:21:19 AM  

BadReligion: I thought this was going to be a thread about daylight saving time.


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2018-03-08 06:09:55 AM  
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2018-03-08 08:00:51 AM  

fusillade762: At least two gunshots were fired

Sure, "accident".


it is with a bump stock
 
2018-03-08 08:01:07 AM  

blender61: Clock? we need a freeking stop watch.


I've suggested a metronome. Might not be quite spot on every time, but should be near enough on the whole, and run itself by and large.
 
2018-03-08 08:04:18 AM  

fusillade762: At least two gunshots were fired

Sure, "accident".


If the police weren't releasing details, one of their own was probably involved.
 
2018-03-08 08:05:23 AM  
Only one killed. It probably would be many more if that kid came to school unarmed, leaving all those innocents unprotected.
 
2018-03-08 08:06:27 AM  

rcain: This is the price of freedum. Keep those thoughts and prayers coming


I imagine Congress critters heading home in their benzes and beemers after a hard day of sitting on their pasty white behinds ignoring problems and jerking off into a pile of 'donations' from their bffs from the weapons merchants.
 
2018-03-08 08:06:36 AM  
I'm going to go ahead and say that the shooter was not properly trained in fire arms. I wonder how many gun owners in the US think it is ok to point a gun at someone as long as you know it is empty. I bet the number is disturbingly high.
 
2018-03-08 08:08:27 AM  
The school has metal detectors, and school resource officers were on site at the time of the shooting

So...how much more do the schools need to be hardened to prevent this? Remove all the windows and surround the property with razor wire fencing and checkpoints at road entrances with AR-15 armed guards standing by metal detectors and doing random shakedowns of students entering? Maybe make the students do a squat and cough while they're waiting for their backpack to finish going through the x-ray machine?
 
2018-03-08 08:09:35 AM  

August11: I'm going to go ahead and say that the shooter was not properly trained in fire arms. I wonder how many gun owners in the US think it is ok to point a gun at someone as long as you know it is empty. I bet the number is disturbingly high.


"Only point a weapon at anything you intend to kill" was drilled into me so hard during boot camp that I get disturbed when I see police walking up to a pulled over speeder pointing a gun towards their head.

/not a gun owner
 
2018-03-08 08:10:36 AM  

BadReligion: I thought this was going to be a thread about daylight saving time.


It's about Freedom Saving Time. According to some it's necessary for all to suffer a few minor inconveniences so we can all have another hour of Freedom.
 
2018-03-08 08:14:28 AM  

Bugerz: The school has metal detectors, and school resource officers were on site at the time of the shooting

So...how much more do the schools need to be hardened to prevent this? Remove all the windows and surround the property with razor wire fencing and checkpoints at road entrances with AR-15 armed guards standing by metal detectors and doing random shakedowns of students entering? Maybe make the students do a squat and cough while they're waiting for their backpack to finish going through the x-ray machine?


Sort of related, my friend went to a school for bad kids that pat down and metal detectored the kids every morning.  Every day he left with a knife, lighter, weed pipe, and cigarettes and every day he returned home with them.  Apparently all the kids in that school had created their own nooks and crannies all over the property and would stash and hide shiat on the grounds and retrieve it after being searched.  If you do the same routine over and over and over again, the kids will find the weaknesses and figure out how to smuggle in contraband.
 
2018-03-08 08:14:35 AM  

BadReligion: I thought this was going to be a thread about daylight saving time.


Yeah, me too.
So, that sucks.
 
2018-03-08 08:14:57 AM  
Accidental shooting.

This is fine, it's just one of those things in we expect when we bring guns to school and other public spaces.
 
2018-03-08 08:17:18 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: BadReligion: I thought this was going to be a thread about daylight saving time.

Yeah, me too.
So, that sucks.


Sadly, I've heard the phrase enough over the past few weeks that I already knew what this thread was about before I read the specifics in the article.

Feel free to use smart as sad for this post.  Funny isn't appropriate and even I can't find snark in yet another school shooting.
 
2018-03-08 08:19:06 AM  
Just don't bother. You'll get used to it.

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2018-03-08 08:25:53 AM  

Gaddiel: fusillade762: At least two gunshots were fired

Sure, "accident".

If the police weren't releasing details, one of their own was probably involved.


With one injured and one killed, that is indeed weird.
 
2018-03-08 08:33:55 AM  
Accidental? Just a good guy with a gun? Nothing to see here, and not the time to talk about gun control.
 
2018-03-08 08:34:49 AM  
Guns and bookbags don't interact well:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/​l​-middle-school-shooting-gun-accidental​ly-discharged-girl-s-backpack-n844186

It's entirely plausible that an unholstered gun in a bookbag or backpack with items like pencils, pens, markers, and other finger-sized items could interact in such a way as to fire the gun, and recoil from the first shot could easily set up for another shot. There are even lots of handguns with issues with firing unintended second shots under normal circumstances; just Google for "gun double fire".
 
2018-03-08 08:38:50 AM  

August11: I'm going to go ahead and say that the shooter was not properly trained in fire arms. I wonder how many gun owners in the US think it is ok to point a gun at someone as long as you know it is empty. I bet the number is disturbingly high.


People who think it is funny to point guns at people do not care whether the gun is loaded when they make that joke.

/I know this from experience with idiots
//I know a guy who quit a range because 'They have too many rules about where I can point my gun'
///A disturbing culture of 'learn all the gun laws and best practices so you can decide which ones to break' exists in firearms enthusiast circles
 
2018-03-08 08:43:20 AM  

Bugerz: The school has metal detectors, and school resource officers were on site at the time of the shooting

So...how much more do the schools need to be hardened to prevent this? Remove all the windows and surround the property with razor wire fencing and checkpoints at road entrances with AR-15 armed guards standing by metal detectors and doing random shakedowns of students entering? Maybe make the students do a squat and cough while they're waiting for their backpack to finish going through the x-ray machine?


The common thread in all these school shootings is that kids are involved. So ban kids from schools and the issue will resolve itself.
 
2018-03-08 08:45:36 AM  
One unconfirmed eyewitness report I saw said he was "showing" off the gun when it discharged then it discharged again when he put it in his pocket.  Crappy trigger discipline is my guess.

More teens die every day from distracted driving (6-11 depending on which report) than gunshots. Guns are just a low hanging bogeyman I guess.
 
2018-03-08 08:55:37 AM  

Gaddiel: fusillade762: At least two gunshots were fired

Sure, "accident".

If the police weren't releasing details, one of their own was probably involved.


THIS!
 
2018-03-08 09:05:47 AM  
Because it gives you gun-grabbers the opportunity to push your disarmament agenda that much more often.
 
2018-03-08 09:07:44 AM  
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"Roll Tide!"  ***smokebomb***
 
2018-03-08 09:08:44 AM  
Time to issue kevlar backpacks and book covers, and maybe a flash grenade thermos.
 
2018-03-08 09:10:21 AM  
Accidental shooting? We can't equipped these teachers with AR 15s fast enough to prevent further accidental shooting deaths.
 
2018-03-08 09:15:06 AM  
Whoever it was "accidentally" shot two people, killing one of them.

"I accidentally took a gun to school.  Then I accidentally pulled the trigger, and the gun fired, shooting my ex girlfriend.  Then I accidentally pulled the trigger again, and shot her new boyfriend".

I have a strong suspicion that the shooter is the police chiefs son.
 
2018-03-08 09:15:46 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: One unconfirmed eyewitness report I saw said he was "showing" off the gun when it discharged then it discharged again when he put it in his pocket.  Crappy trigger discipline is my guess.

More teens die every day from distracted driving (6-11 depending on which report) than gunshots. Guns are just a low hanging bogeyman I guess.


In your opinion, what would be a reasonable charge/charges against a person that kills or wounds another person "accidentally" with a firearm?
 
2018-03-08 09:16:16 AM  

Gaddiel: fusillade762: At least two gunshots were fired

Sure, "accident".

If the police weren't releasing details, one of their own was probably involved.


My first thought also.  Claiming it's an accident, but not releasing any other information?  That just sounds like they are protecting one of their own.  Especially since Alabama law forbids anyone except police officers from carrying on school grounds.  They'd have arrested anyone who wasn't a police officer and who was carrying for violating the law.
 
2018-03-08 09:17:37 AM  

Gaddiel: fusillade762: At least two gunshots were fired

Sure, "accident".

If the police weren't releasing details, one of their own was probably involved.


This.

School had metal detectors and police resource officers on site, and they aren't releasing details.

Strong indication that an officer farked up bad and the department is still figuring out how to spin it.  Fact that 2 shots were fired also makes it very unlikely that this was truly "accidental".
 
2018-03-08 09:21:54 AM  

dittybopper: Gaddiel: fusillade762: At least two gunshots were fired

Sure, "accident".

If the police weren't releasing details, one of their own was probably involved.

My first thought also.  Claiming it's an accident, but not releasing any other information?  That just sounds like they are protecting one of their own.  Especially since Alabama law forbids anyone except police officers from carrying on school grounds.  They'd have arrested anyone who wasn't a police officer and who was carrying for violating the law.


Not going to go that far.

One of the two wounded may be the shooter, in which case they would make sure he was going to survive before proceeding. Premature information release would jeopardize any future legal proceeding.

However, if it turns out to be the offspring of someone important (be sure to include BOE members and politicians in the list), it wouldn't surprise me.
 
2018-03-08 09:22:33 AM  

hashtag.acronym: August11: I'm going to go ahead and say that the shooter was not properly trained in fire arms. I wonder how many gun owners in the US think it is ok to point a gun at someone as long as you know it is empty. I bet the number is disturbingly high.

"Only point a weapon at anything you intend to kill" was drilled into me so hard during boot camp that I get disturbed when I see police walking up to a pulled over speeder pointing a gun towards their head.

/not a gun owner


It's okay, since cops always intend to kill people.
 
2018-03-08 09:23:42 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: NotThatGuyAgain: One unconfirmed eyewitness report I saw said he was "showing" off the gun when it discharged then it discharged again when he put it in his pocket.  Crappy trigger discipline is my guess.

More teens die every day from distracted driving (6-11 depending on which report) than gunshots. Guns are just a low hanging bogeyman I guess.

In your opinion, what would be a reasonable charge/charges against a person that kills or wounds another person "accidentally" with a firearm?


Depending on the circumstances, either no charge, or up to and including criminally negligent homicide.

So, for example, if someone's at the range, and some dumbass sneaks on the property and gets shot because they ignored the "Danger:  Shooting Range" signs, or if someone is shooting and a bullet happens to ricochet off a rock in the backstop and hit someone a mile away and kill them, then no charges.

If, on the other hand, gun owner is drunk and fiddling with their loaded gun and it goes off and kills someone, then yeah, they should be criminally charged.

I have to say, in the almost 40 years I've been shooting, I've never had a negligent discharge.  Never had a gun go *BANG* when I wasn't intending for it to do so.  The closest I've ever had to something like an "accidental" discharge is when an original Colt 1911, manufactured in 1913, went cyclic on me.  But because I was pointing it safely downrange at the time, no big deal, even though it shocked the Hell out of me.

So to reiterate, it would depend on the specific circumstances.  Some circumstances where a person is killed by accident don't justify criminal charges.  Some do.  That's why we have judges and juries.
 
2018-03-08 09:24:04 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: NotThatGuyAgain: One unconfirmed eyewitness report I saw said he was "showing" off the gun when it discharged then it discharged again when he put it in his pocket.  Crappy trigger discipline is my guess.

More teens die every day from distracted driving (6-11 depending on which report) than gunshots. Guns are just a low hanging bogeyman I guess.

In your opinion, what would be a reasonable charge/charges against a person that kills or wounds another person "accidentally" with a firearm?


I would say that any negligent discharge, whether it results in injury or not, at least warrants a charge of criminal negligence and wanton endangerment in addition to any charges applicable to carrying a firearm on school grounds.

If the wounding results in a death, a legal charge is already available for that specific outcome.

I am unable to locate the specific charges applicable for injury resulting from negligence, but I have little doubt that relevant criminal statutes already exist.
 
2018-03-08 09:25:17 AM  
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2018-03-08 09:26:21 AM  

dittybopper: I have to say, in the almost 40 years I've been shooting, I've never had a negligent discharge.  Never had a gun go *BANG* when I wasn't intending for it to do so.


I cannot say this. I can say that the few times that a firearm discharged when I was unprepared it did so only because I misjudge the trigger sensitivity, that I had been intending to discharge the firearm within a second or two of the actual discharge (because my finger would not have been on the trigger otherwise) and that the firearm was always pointed downrange (because I was preparing to fire it when it fired before I had anticipated).

Does this make me a terrible person?

/Note: I am a terrible person; I am simply sorting out the cause.
 
2018-03-08 09:26:36 AM  

dittybopper: Never had a gun go *BANG* when I wasn't intending for it to do so.


Because I shoot flintlocks, I have more of a problem with the gun *NOT* going *BANG* when I want it to.  But that's part of why I like it:  The challenge.
 
2018-03-08 09:27:13 AM  

MythDragon: hashtag.acronym: August11: I'm going to go ahead and say that the shooter was not properly trained in fire arms. I wonder how many gun owners in the US think it is ok to point a gun at someone as long as you know it is empty. I bet the number is disturbingly high.

"Only point a weapon at anything you intend to kill" was drilled into me so hard during boot camp that I get disturbed when I see police walking up to a pulled over speeder pointing a gun towards their head.

/not a gun owner

It's okay, since cops always intend to kill people.


I have been pulled out of my car for minor traffic offenses, once for speeding once for "thought I saw you swerving", by police at gunpoint. I am a big guy, ised to have a long hair, long beard etc. Some cops are just cowards.
 
2018-03-08 09:28:35 AM  

Dimensio: I can say that the few times that a firearm discharged when I was unprepared it did so only because I misjudge the trigger sensitivity, that I had been intending to discharge the firearm within a second or two of the actual discharge (because my finger would not have been on the trigger otherwise) and that the firearm was always pointed downrange (because I was preparing to fire it when it fired before I had anticipated).


I don't think that counts:  You intended to fire the gun, it just happened a bit before you thought it would.  That's not a negligent discharge, or even "accidental".
 
2018-03-08 09:28:51 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: One unconfirmed eyewitness report I saw said he was "showing" off the gun when it discharged then it discharged again when he put it in his pocket.  Crappy trigger discipline is my guess.

More teens die every day from distracted driving (6-11 depending on which report) than gunshots. Guns are just a low hanging bogeyman I guess.


Or maybe cars have a use other than killing people and "distracted driving" is not a physical object like a gun that it could be regulated in the same way as a physical object.
 
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