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2018-03-07 07:29:05 PM  
Well, I didn't see this coming.
 
2018-03-07 07:30:52 PM  
Neither did I. I had to read the headline twice to make sure I read it right.
 
2018-03-07 07:35:51 PM  
President Trump, who plans to meet with leaders of the video game industry Thursday, has not put forward his own school safety proposal, after initially saying he supported arming teachers, raising the age for some purchases and even removing guns from people deemed dangerous before a judicial review.

And America's asshole puckers up over having to actually speak without a teleprompter and contradict himself ten different times in one showing.

/And meeting about farking video games is such bullshiat
 
2018-03-07 07:46:42 PM  
Gov. Rick Scott (R), who supports most but not all of the provisions in the Florida bill and is exploring a U.S. Senate bid, reiterated his opposition to arming teachers Wednesday, but stopped short of threatening a veto.

Just wait until teachers are armed, and there's a rash of hot-headed teachers who shoot the students when they get lippy or get into a scuffle.  You know it's going to happen a lot more than school shootings.
 
2018-03-07 08:02:11 PM  
In Florida, Marion Hammer gets the final word.
 
2018-03-07 08:32:53 PM  

Earguy: Gov. Rick Scott (R), who supports most but not all of the provisions in the Florida bill and is exploring a U.S. Senate bid, reiterated his opposition to arming teachers Wednesday, but stopped short of threatening a veto.

Just wait until teachers are armed, and there's a rash of hot-headed teachers who shoot the students when they get lippy or get into a scuffle.  You know it's going to happen a lot more than school shootings.


I've asked what the over/under on the number of days from when they start arming teachers until someone is accidentally or intentionally shot (or a gun is stolen).
 
2018-03-07 08:35:26 PM  
scottydoesntknow:
I've asked what the over/under on the number of days from when they start arming teachers until someone is accidentally or intentionally shot (or a gun is stolen).

They aren't arming ordinary teachers. But they will allow teachers that are also football coaches and such to undergo training and then carry. Which makes me think there will be some special half-time pep-talks.
 
2018-03-07 08:43:59 PM  
It at least sounds more judicious than just handing your ancient English teacher a Ruger, so that's something.
 
2018-03-08 02:11:18 AM  
Trump, who plans to meet with leaders of the video game industry

Hooray! We're finally dealing with the real problem. Overwatch.
 
2018-03-08 02:11:38 AM  
NOWAI.

The answer to gun problems is always more guns.
 
2018-03-08 02:13:38 AM  

Earguy: Gov. Rick Scott (R), who supports most but not all of the provisions in the Florida bill and is exploring a U.S. Senate bid, reiterated his opposition to arming teachers Wednesday, but stopped short of threatening a veto.

Just wait until teachers are armed, and there's a rash of hot-headed teachers who shoot the students when they get lippy or get into a scuffle.  You know it's going to happen a lot more than school shootings.


I feel like I am taking crazy pills. The GOP actually compromises on something, and Governor Voldemort is opposed to arming teachers
 
2018-03-08 02:14:36 AM  

uttertosh: NOWAI.

The answer to gun problems is always more guns.


And death. Lots of gun problems are solved with lots of death. And pain. And suffering. But mostly death.
 
2018-03-08 02:19:47 AM  

Notabunny: uttertosh: NOWAI.

The answer to gun problems is always more guns.

And death. Lots of gun problems are solved with lots of death. And pain. And suffering. But mostly death.


Know how to tell this is a pretty good compromise? Because no one's completely happy with it.
 
2018-03-08 02:25:04 AM  

Sensei Can You See: Notabunny: uttertosh: NOWAI.

The answer to gun problems is always more guns.

And death. Lots of gun problems are solved with lots of death. And pain. And suffering. But mostly death.

Know how to tell this is a pretty good compromise? Because no one's completely happy with it.


So the killers want more death, and the killed want more life. Yeah, that's 50/50. We're all good to go.
 
2018-03-08 02:27:23 AM  

wademh: scottydoesntknow:
I've asked what the over/under on the number of days from when they start arming teachers until someone is accidentally or intentionally shot (or a gun is stolen).

They aren't arming ordinary teachers. But they will allow teachers that are also football coaches and such to undergo training and then carry. Which makes me think there will be some special half-time pep-talks.


Don't forget the agility drills. Get those legs up!
 
2018-03-08 02:27:51 AM  

Rowena: It at least sounds more judicious than just handing your ancient English teacher a Ruger, so that's something.


Still no assault weapons ban.
 
2018-03-08 02:31:40 AM  

rebelyell2006: Earguy: Gov. Rick Scott (R), who supports most but not all of the provisions in the Florida bill and is exploring a U.S. Senate bid, reiterated his opposition to arming teachers Wednesday, but stopped short of threatening a veto.

Just wait until teachers are armed, and there's a rash of hot-headed teachers who shoot the students when they get lippy or get into a scuffle.  You know it's going to happen a lot more than school shootings.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills. The GOP actually compromises on something, and Governor Voldemort is opposed to arming teachers


He knows the danger of long ranged wands and wants to get to the horrocrux of the matter!
 
2018-03-08 02:40:31 AM  
America's penis is now a soft, flaccid target. True conservatives are going to show you limp liberals how rock hard we can be for our children.
 
2018-03-08 02:47:27 AM  
 
2018-03-08 02:52:59 AM  
Yeah, restricting age is one thing but the whole "Arm the teachers" BS is still Florida sucking the NRAs vodka soaked dingus.

Not really much of a "victory" here, this is just when the shiat storm starts for the NRA.
 
2018-03-08 03:10:35 AM  

Sensei Can You See: Notabunny: uttertosh: NOWAI.

The answer to gun problems is always more guns.

And death. Lots of gun problems are solved with lots of death. And pain. And suffering. But mostly death.

Know how to tell this is a pretty good compromise? Because no one's completely happy with it.


Yeah because BOTH SIDES are bad!
Hurp durp!
This isn't a compromise, it's a weak agreement where both sides did the bare minimum above doing nothing at all, to give the illusion that they give a shiat.
So yes, both sides are bad.
 
2018-03-08 03:18:19 AM  
Overall, not a terrible compromise. "Pay the NRA to give guns to the teachers" is crap, but the reality is that I doubt many teachers would comply with actually carrying a gun in the school.

The other reality though is that there will be a day that some stupid kid finds the teacher's school-approved gun, steals it, and accidentally shoots another kid.

Raising the age limit is okay, waiting list is okay, banning bump stocks is okay. But why are we still selling automatics and semi-automatics to civilians? And where's the "sorry, we don't sell guns to people who threaten to shoot up a school on Facebook" database?

This is a good start, but there's still much more to do.
 
2018-03-08 03:32:02 AM  
So we have a purchase age limit that's bypassable through family transfers, a 3 day wait period to take home an Uzi after purchasing it, and garbage about arming teachers..

...what is anyone on either side of the isle cheering? Sure, something got passed that the NRA didn't like, but not much of anything of consequence here really.

Mostly this just looks like something that got passed seemingly just so they could say they passed something, anything, regardless of any actual substance.
 
2018-03-08 03:57:27 AM  

zbtop: So we have a purchase age limit that's bypassable through family transfers, a 3 day wait period to take home an Uzi after purchasing it, and garbage about arming teachers..

...what is anyone on either side of the isle cheering? Sure, something got passed that the NRA didn't like, but not much of anything of consequence here really.

Mostly this just looks like something that got passed seemingly just so they could say they passed something, anything, regardless of any actual substance.


To be fair, something is better than nothing. Also, it makes them somewhat culpable because if it blows up in their face, they can certainly try to say 'we tried at least something' and get their shiat pushed in when people point out that they passed a paper tiger.
 
2018-03-08 04:10:51 AM  

scottydoesntknow: /And meeting about farking video games is such bullshiat


Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea. The UK and Australia both banned video games after gun massacres and they haven't had another massacre since.
 
2018-03-08 04:45:22 AM  

Begoggle: Sensei Can You See: Notabunny: uttertosh: NOWAI.

The answer to gun problems is always more guns.

And death. Lots of gun problems are solved with lots of death. And pain. And suffering. But mostly death.

Know how to tell this is a pretty good compromise? Because no one's completely happy with it.

Yeah because BOTH SIDES are bad!
Hurp durp!
This isn't a compromise, it's a weak agreement where both sides did the bare minimum above doing nothing at all, to give the illusion that they give a shiat.
So yes, both sides are bad.


So... in your humble opinion, just how many more guns do you propose are required to solve this issue? Even a ballpark number.

I, personally, feel that mandatory training and arming of all citizens aged 16 or over would be the safest option IRL.

Imagine how polite everyone would suddenly become!! :-D
 
2018-03-08 04:45:31 AM  

rebelyell2006: Earguy: Gov. Rick Scott (R), who supports most but not all of the provisions in the Florida bill and is exploring a U.S. Senate bid, reiterated his opposition to arming teachers Wednesday, but stopped short of threatening a veto.

Just wait until teachers are armed, and there's a rash of hot-headed teachers who shoot the students when they get lippy or get into a scuffle.  You know it's going to happen a lot more than school shootings.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills. The GOP actually compromises on something, and Governor Voldemort is opposed to arming teachers


The characterization that it was a bipartisan is BS.  It was opposed by Democrats and supported by Republicans.  It seems the dissonance caused by portraying the NRA and Democrats on the same side of this legislation ruined the moment.  The vote was 67-50.  10 Democrats voted for the bill.  19 Republicans voted against it.  Quick math fact: Republicans 57-19 in favor.  Democrats 10-31.  Bipartisan.
 
2018-03-08 04:49:51 AM  

uttertosh: I, personally, feel that mandatory training and arming of all citizens aged 16 or over would be the safest option IRL.


That could never be legally accomplished.
 
2018-03-08 04:58:43 AM  

Earguy: Gov. Rick Scott (R), who supports most but not all of the provisions in the Florida bill and is exploring a U.S. Senate bid, reiterated his opposition to arming teachers Wednesday, but stopped short of threatening a veto.

Just wait until teachers are armed, and there's a rash of hot-headed teachers who shoot the students when they get lippy or get into a scuffle.  You know it's going to happen a lot more than school shootings.


they'll still be school shootings.
 
2018-03-08 05:04:17 AM  

uttertosh: Begoggle: Sensei Can You See: Notabunny: uttertosh: NOWAI.

The answer to gun problems is always more guns.

And death. Lots of gun problems are solved with lots of death. And pain. And suffering. But mostly death.

Know how to tell this is a pretty good compromise? Because no one's completely happy with it.

Yeah because BOTH SIDES are bad!
Hurp durp!
This isn't a compromise, it's a weak agreement where both sides did the bare minimum above doing nothing at all, to give the illusion that they give a shiat.
So yes, both sides are bad.

So... in your humble opinion, just how many more guns do you propose are required to solve this issue? Even a ballpark number.

I, personally, feel that mandatory training and arming of all citizens aged 16 or over would be the safest option IRL.

Imagine how polite everyone would suddenly become!! :-D


NO NO NO NO
The issue isn't guns it's MENTAL ILLNESS!
The only way to stop a mentally ill person is ANOTHER MENTALLY ILL PERSON.
We need mentally ill people in every school in America.
 
2018-03-08 05:11:58 AM  

Rowena: It at least sounds more judicious than just handing your ancient English teacher a Ruger, so that's something.


Maybe a longbow for the traditionalists? Slow rate of fire, but an 80lb longbow with a half-inch war arrow and a bodkin point would drop go through a perp pretty quickly.

OTOH, perhaps a barbed broadhead would be better - more likely to nick an artery on the way through.
 
2018-03-08 05:13:19 AM  

Begoggle: NO NO NO NO
The issue isn't guns it's MENTAL ILLNESS!
The only way to stop a mentally ill person is ANOTHER MENTALLY ILL PERSON.
We need mentally ill people in every school in America.


Retroactively accomplished. Did you need more than 10 to 15%? You'll need to be specific.
 
2018-03-08 05:16:19 AM  
Too little, too farking late.
I still hope they all get voted out.
 
2018-03-08 05:17:42 AM  

wademh: Begoggle: NO NO NO NO
The issue isn't guns it's MENTAL ILLNESS!
The only way to stop a mentally ill person is ANOTHER MENTALLY ILL PERSON.
We need mentally ill people in every school in America.

Retroactively accomplished. Did you need more than 10 to 15%? You'll need to be specific.


I'm looking for a number close to 100% in some places, thanks to Betsy Devos.
 
2018-03-08 05:19:09 AM  

scottydoesntknow: President Trump, who plans to meet with leaders of the video game industry Thursday, has not put forward his own school safety proposal, after initially saying he supported arming teachers, raising the age for some purchases and even removing guns from people deemed dangerous before a judicial review.

And America's asshole puckers up over having to actually speak without a teleprompter and contradict himself ten different times in one showing.

/And meeting about farking video games is such bullshiat


If we're supposed to believe that gamers don't support the shootings, maybe gaming sites shouldn't host tribute-threads for shooters.
 
2018-03-08 05:22:06 AM  

Earguy: Gov. Rick Scott (R), who supports most but not all of the provisions in the Florida bill and is exploring a U.S. Senate bid, reiterated his opposition to arming teachers Wednesday, but stopped short of threatening a veto.

Just wait until teachers are armed, and there's a rash of hot-headed teachers who shoot the students when they get lippy or get into a scuffle.  You know it's going to happen a lot more than school shootings.


That'll make America great!
Again!
I wonder if the teachers will be able to stop farking the students long enough to shoot them.
 
2018-03-08 05:26:33 AM  

Sensei Can You See: Notabunny: uttertosh: NOWAI.

The answer to gun problems is always more guns.

And death. Lots of gun problems are solved with lots of death. And pain. And suffering. But mostly death.

Know how to tell this is a pretty good compromise? Because no one's completely happy with it.


No. A really good compromise is when both sides feel like the other really got screwed.
 
2018-03-08 05:29:13 AM  

Wessoman: Yeah, restricting age is one thing but the whole "Arm the teachers" BS is still Florida sucking the NRAs vodka soaked dingus.

Not really much of a "victory" here, this is just when the shiat storm starts for the NRA.


The "arm teachers " bs is just to increase gun sales.
 
2018-03-08 05:36:41 AM  

Abacus9: uttertosh: I, personally, feel that mandatory training and arming of all citizens aged 16 or over would be the safest option IRL.

That could never be legally accomplished.


The most peaceful countries have compulsory military service, which would be similar.
It works, it would just never be allowed to work here.
Because we're an asshole country.
 
2018-03-08 06:13:20 AM  

rustyfark: Abacus9: uttertosh: I, personally, feel that mandatory training and arming of all citizens aged 16 or over would be the safest option IRL.

That could never be legally accomplished.

The most peaceful countries have compulsory military service, which would be similar.
It works, it would just never be allowed to work here.
Because we're an asshole country.


Since the last two world wars were largely staffed by conscripts, and mandatory service isn't uncommon in third world dystopias with high crime,  the idea that this is associated with peace doesn't seem well founded.

/it means believing that leaders care more about soldiers when the soldiers come cheap.
/or that military indoctrination designed to create killers also makes people less violent.
/I'm sure it can pass tho. US crime stats are down and politicians are always looking for ways to reverse that.
 
2018-03-08 06:47:02 AM  
way south - /I'm sure it can pass tho. US crime stats are down and politicians are always looking for ways to reverse that.

You got that right. How can they get away with anything if we are not distracted by each other and who/what we may or may not be doing? After all, those poor private prison owners need three Lexuses too!

/oh don't worry... the American people are so easily distracted that something else will turn up to get the seething masses all riled up and there will be more 'protests' and 'couter-protests' and 'experts' and 'deny-ers' and by that time we will have moved onto the next fad rage...
//take it from an actor... this is all theatre for you lot... hope you like the flashing lights...
///in the meantime... those bastards are consolidating their hold on OUR government... and we are letting them...
 
2018-03-08 07:10:30 AM  

rustyfark: Earguy: Gov. Rick Scott (R), who supports most but not all of the provisions in the Florida bill and is exploring a U.S. Senate bid, reiterated his opposition to arming teachers Wednesday, but stopped short of threatening a veto.

Just wait until teachers are armed, and there's a rash of hot-headed teachers who shoot the students when they get lippy or get into a scuffle.  You know it's going to happen a lot more than school shootings.

That'll make America great!
Again!
I wonder if the teachers will be able to stop farking the students long enough to shoot them.


only if the kids doesn't pay alimony after the teacher is knocked up
/ paid retroactively of course
 
2018-03-08 07:18:30 AM  
What a bizarre outcome. Can't quite choose which is more odd, actually increasing restrictions or thinking more guns (arming any teacher) is a good idea. Police go into an active shooter situation and there are armed teachers involved... nope, that won't get messy at all.
 
2018-03-08 07:21:17 AM  

Notabunny: And death. Lots of gun problems are solved with lots of death. And pain. And suffering. But mostly death.


Death solves most problems.
 
2018-03-08 07:21:50 AM  

wood0366: zbtop: So we have a purchase age limit that's bypassable through family transfers, a 3 day wait period to take home an Uzi after purchasing it, and garbage about arming teachers..

...what is anyone on either side of the isle cheering? Sure, something got passed that the NRA didn't like, but not much of anything of consequence here really.

Mostly this just looks like something that got passed seemingly just so they could say they passed something, anything, regardless of any actual substance.

To be fair, something is better than nothing. Also, it makes them somewhat culpable because if it blows up in their face, they can certainly try to say 'we tried at least something' and get their shiat pushed in when people point out that they passed a paper tiger.


More likely, they will say "See, we passed gun control and it didn't work! Now we have to arm everyone! It's the only way!"

And of course they'll either ignore or demonize anyone who tries to argue the point.
 
2018-03-08 07:22:51 AM  

rustyfark: Abacus9: uttertosh: I, personally, feel that mandatory training and arming of all citizens aged 16 or over would be the safest option IRL.

That could never be legally accomplished.

The most peaceful countries have compulsory military service, which would be similar.
It works, it would just never be allowed to work here.
Because we're an asshole country.


Sure, but it's a seperate issue. You can't and shouldn't force a conscientious objector to arm themselves. fark that.
 
2018-03-08 07:45:53 AM  
This bill, iirc, also includes a means to take guns from individuals who are deemed "a threat to themselves or others" - I expect there to be more hubbub about that later.

Also - the bill sets aside money from the budget for "teacher training", not automatically arming teachers.

In the best possible scenario, schools granted funds for such training might be able to use it to also train teachers better security measures, gun or not. Some teachers may take the training and opt not to carry.
In the worst possible scenario, Betsy DeVos horns in on this training program idea and we get "concerned" teachers who feel the "need" to carry - and/or want a bonus based on them carrying (even if they don't want to).

All things being equal, I commend the Stoneman High kids and FL's legislature for doing more than nothing. No matter how flawed parts of this bill are, it was passed at roughly the speed of light and I hope the age increase, combined with the red-light aspect, might prevent some of these incidents. Not all, certainly, but FL was bitten hard - the desire for better protocol is universal.

I expect Voldemort to sign it, loudly objecting all the way. And I plan to vote against him, again, for whatever seat he aims for next. Nothing personal, it's just business.

Majorie Stoneman Douglas would be proud - she fought for legislative action on other issues all her life - there are worse shoes these kids could be trying on - and walking in.
 
2018-03-08 08:18:22 AM  

Begoggle: Trump, who plans to meet with leaders of the video game industry

Hooray! We're finally dealing with the real problem. Overwatch.


Maybe he'll impose sanctions on the UK for how much No Man's Sky turned out to suck.
 
2018-03-08 08:29:54 AM  
"I have been called a murderer," said Rep. Thomas Leek (R), of Daytona Beach, who voted for the bill. "I have been told I don't respect the Constitution." He said he ultimately decided to block out the outside lobbying and make the decision alone.

What a novel farking idea.
 
2018-03-08 08:35:29 AM  
I support all of the measures in that bill.
 
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