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2018-03-07 03:33:14 PM  
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2018-03-07 03:56:08 PM  
Oh... OK. THIS time I'll trust Microsoft. What could go wrong?
 
2018-03-07 04:22:17 PM  
Don't worry everyone. Its a Microsoft developer platform. It'll be scrapped by mid 2019 tops.
 
2018-03-07 04:34:33 PM  

AlanMooresBeard: Don't worry everyone. Its a Microsoft developer platform. It'll be scrapped by mid 2019 tops.


All it takes is someone to teach it to develop itself.
 
2018-03-07 04:50:05 PM  
I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.
 
2018-03-07 05:55:13 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.


The last round of updates had my 13 year old kid doing this to his machine.
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At this very moment he's installing Ubuntu on that machine so I'm getting a kick.
 
2018-03-07 06:02:54 PM  

pheelix: Duke of Madness Motors: I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.

The last round of updates had my 13 year old kid doing this to his machine.
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At this very moment he's installing Ubuntu on that machine so I'm getting a kick.


Good thing he's learning early what to expect from Microsoft. It will save him years of frustration.
 
2018-03-07 06:10:37 PM  

pheelix: Duke of Madness Motors: I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.

The last round of updates had my 13 year old kid doing this to his machine.
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At this very moment he's installing Ubuntu on that machine so I'm getting a kick.


I'm a Microsoft employee (developer documentation, not Windows - Proof).  It may be a little late, but would you like for me to create an escalation ticket for you?
 
2018-03-07 06:32:34 PM  
Step 1: Use it to outsource your help center.

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2018-03-07 07:01:30 PM  

Bloody Templar: pheelix: Duke of Madness Motors: I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.

The last round of updates had my 13 year old kid doing this to his machine.
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At this very moment he's installing Ubuntu on that machine so I'm getting a kick.

I'm a Microsoft employee (developer documentation, not Windows - Proof).  It may be a little late, but would you like for me to create an escalation ticket for you?


Thanks for the offer but there's hardly any point.  He's equally comfortable using Windows, Mac OS, iOS, Android, and has worked with Gnome, Cinnamon, and Mate under Debian and Ubuntu.  He gets home from school he does a lot of his homework in Google Classroom. As far as he's concerned, an OS is just another tool. He doesn't care what kind it is as long as it stays out of his way when he's trying to get stuff done. He has tomorrow and Friday off and is taking advantage of the 4-day weekend to see if he'd rather run Linux.
 
2018-03-07 07:26:44 PM  

pheelix: Bloody Templar: pheelix: Duke of Madness Motors: I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.

The last round of updates had my 13 year old kid doing this to his machine.
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At this very moment he's installing Ubuntu on that machine so I'm getting a kick.

I'm a Microsoft employee (developer documentation, not Windows - Proof).  It may be a little late, but would you like for me to create an escalation ticket for you?

Thanks for the offer but there's hardly any point.  He's equally comfortable using Windows, Mac OS, iOS, Android, and has worked with Gnome, Cinnamon, and Mate under Debian and Ubuntu.  He gets home from school he does a lot of his homework in Google Classroom. As far as he's concerned, an OS is just another tool. He doesn't care what kind it is as long as it stays out of his way when he's trying to get stuff done. He has tomorrow and Friday off and is taking advantage of the 4-day weekend to see if he'd rather run Linux.


Sounds like me at that age (20 years ago).  This is me now:
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2018-03-07 07:39:32 PM  
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2018-03-07 08:13:50 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: pheelix: Duke of Madness Motors: I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.

The last round of updates had my 13 year old kid doing this to his machine.
[img.fark.net image 400x360]
At this very moment he's installing Ubuntu on that machine so I'm getting a kick.

Good thing he's learning early what to expect from Microsoft. It will save him years of frustration.


Because Linux is so user friendly and their community is always helpful, especially to people new to the OS.
 
2018-03-07 09:37:29 PM  

xalres: Duke of Madness Motors: pheelix: Duke of Madness Motors: I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.

The last round of updates had my 13 year old kid doing this to his machine.
[img.fark.net image 400x360]
At this very moment he's installing Ubuntu on that machine so I'm getting a kick.

Good thing he's learning early what to expect from Microsoft. It will save him years of frustration.

Because Linux is so user friendly and their community is always helpful, especially to people new to the OS.


Between Google searches, the Arch and Gentoo guides, and Stack Overflow and other various forum searching, I've never actually had to ask questions to figure out Linux because, luckily, damn near every question I've needed answered has been asked before or I found the right guide to follow.  Simply knowing where to look for good information can go a long way.  I have to highly recommend the Arch and Gentoo guides.  Those are probably the best sources of information around.

I have answered help questions at various forums over the years, including today, so yeah, some of us are helpful outside of Fark.  The Ubuntu forums can be especially helpful to new users whereas Arch will link you to the guide for certain questions.  The Manjaro and Antergos communities are pretty helpful to newcomers as well, especially Manjaro because it's caters to new users.

Oh, pheelix, as far as distros go I've found myself using Antergos with KDE and sticking with it (and Enlightenment when I want to change it up).  The only issue right now is there are some random problems with the 4.15 kernel (not necessarily Arch/Antergos specific), but the 4.14 LTS kernel is running fantastically.  I'm having random GUI lag with my AMD gpu, NVidia users are having all sorts of issues, random Xeon server issues, KDE doesn't like it...4.15 is a mess...haven't checked other distro forums or bug reports, but not all Arch users are running swimmingly with 4.15, some are, but some aren't.

Out of curiosity, do any other Linux users here running 4.15, not Arch or Antergos, have any issues with it?
 
2018-03-07 10:36:11 PM  

xalres: Duke of Madness Motors: pheelix: Duke of Madness Motors: I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.

The last round of updates had my 13 year old kid doing this to his machine.
[img.fark.net image 400x360]
At this very moment he's installing Ubuntu on that machine so I'm getting a kick.

Good thing he's learning early what to expect from Microsoft. It will save him years of frustration.

Because Linux is so user friendly and their community is always helpful, especially to people new to the OS.


Not sure how long it's been since you used Linux, but it's quite easy to install and use nowadays.
 
2018-03-07 10:40:25 PM  

hashtag.acronym: Oh, pheelix, as far as distros go I've found myself using Antergos with KDE and sticking with it (and Enlightenment when I want to change it up). The only issue right now is there are some random problems with the 4.15 kernel (not necessarily Arch/Antergos specific), but the 4.14 LTS kernel is running fantastically. I'm having random GUI lag with my AMD gpu, NVidia users are having all sorts of issues, random Xeon server issues, KDE doesn't like it...4.15 is a mess...haven't checked other distro forums or bug reports, but not all Arch users are running swimmingly with 4.15, some are, but some aren't.

Out of curiosity, do any other Linux users here running 4.15, not Arch or Antergos, have any issues with it?


Sorry, nothing bleeding edge running here. All my Linux machines are either running Debian Stretch or Ubuntu Mate 16.04 LTS so 4.9 and 4.10 kernels, respectively.
 
2018-03-07 10:55:44 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: xalres: Duke of Madness Motors: pheelix: Duke of Madness Motors: I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.

The last round of updates had my 13 year old kid doing this to his machine.
[img.fark.net image 400x360]
At this very moment he's installing Ubuntu on that machine so I'm getting a kick.

Good thing he's learning early what to expect from Microsoft. It will save him years of frustration.

Because Linux is so user friendly and their community is always helpful, especially to people new to the OS.

Not sure how long it's been since you used Linux, but it's quite easy to install and use nowadays.


Agreed.  Last November when that farking goddamn Windows 10 Creators update abomination crippled my desktop with that "Working on updates" blue screen from hell I went down into my basement, hooked up a 10 year old dual core Celeron with 3 GB of RAM, an ancient hard drive, and a Geforce 9800 GT video card to a spare monitor and installed Debian. I was playing Minecraft with my kids while my much more modern Windows 10 machine was still updating.
 
2018-03-07 11:40:20 PM  
<3 Debian. Just works, doesn't get in my way and easy to use. Would feel comfortable setting it up for my parents on their devices and knowing they won't have issues.
 
2018-03-08 09:07:13 AM  

hashtag.acronym: pheelix: Bloody Templar: pheelix: Duke of Madness Motors: I expect it to work as well as Windows Update.

The last round of updates had my 13 year old kid doing this to his machine.
[img.fark.net image 400x360]
At this very moment he's installing Ubuntu on that machine so I'm getting a kick.

I'm a Microsoft employee (developer documentation, not Windows - Proof).  It may be a little late, but would you like for me to create an escalation ticket for you?

Thanks for the offer but there's hardly any point.  He's equally comfortable using Windows, Mac OS, iOS, Android, and has worked with Gnome, Cinnamon, and Mate under Debian and Ubuntu.  He gets home from school he does a lot of his homework in Google Classroom. As far as he's concerned, an OS is just another tool. He doesn't care what kind it is as long as it stays out of his way when he's trying to get stuff done. He has tomorrow and Friday off and is taking advantage of the 4-day weekend to see if he'd rather run Linux.

Sounds like me at that age (20 years ago).  This is me now:
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I just reformatted my formerly Ubuntu Linode to Arch. So I'm getting a kick...

(I'd really like to have rolled it from scratch but, you know, deadlines...)
 
2018-03-08 09:15:52 AM  

pheelix: hashtag.acronym: Oh, pheelix, as far as distros go I've found myself using Antergos with KDE and sticking with it (and Enlightenment when I want to change it up). The only issue right now is there are some random problems with the 4.15 kernel (not necessarily Arch/Antergos specific), but the 4.14 LTS kernel is running fantastically. I'm having random GUI lag with my AMD gpu, NVidia users are having all sorts of issues, random Xeon server issues, KDE doesn't like it...4.15 is a mess...haven't checked other distro forums or bug reports, but not all Arch users are running swimmingly with 4.15, some are, but some aren't.

Out of curiosity, do any other Linux users here running 4.15, not Arch or Antergos, have any issues with it?

Sorry, nothing bleeding edge running here. All my Linux machines are either running Debian Stretch or Ubuntu Mate 16.04 LTS so 4.9 and 4.10 kernels, respectively.


Gotcha, I have an AMD gpu so I have to stay relatively up-to-date for updated graphics drivers.

I quit using Ubuntu after around 7.10 or so.  I got tired of either upgrading every six months and that breaking my system or being stuck on an LTS release and needing a few pieces of updated software for gaming or multimedia reasons.

A lot of times I could get that software on Ubuntu, but I'd have to add in PPAs, third party repos, etc...then the PPA gets dropped, gotta find a new one or compile it myself, and...bahhh....f me running, just find a distro with the crap you need hashtag.  If you can't tell, I don't dislike Ubuntu because it's a "noob distro", I dislike upgrade cycles and third party repositories.

If your kid plays games and has a somewhat modern GPU (2013/2014+) from any brand (especially AMD 7XXX and up cards), I'd recommend anything with 4.14 (unless the GPU is an RX400 or newer AMD then 4.15 is required because it's the first kernel release with supported drivers for those cards).
 
2018-03-08 09:22:20 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: I just reformatted my formerly Ubuntu Linode to Arch. So I'm getting a kick...

(I'd really like to have rolled it from scratch but, you know, deadlines...)


Last Sunday I'd have liked to install Arch "the Arch way", but, instead, I installed Antergos because it's click, click, click, desktop.
 
2018-03-08 09:25:04 AM  

divx88: <3 Debian. Just works, doesn't get in my way and easy to use. Would feel comfortable setting it up for my parents on their devices and knowing they won't have issues.


I do that with Manjaro for my parents.  Ain't no way I'd install something like Arch or Antergos on their stuff, but Manjaro is close enough to Arch that it's easy to debug and figure out what's wrong...never actually had to because all they do is email and Netflix.

Manjaro is to Arch what Ubuntu is to Debian.
 
2018-03-08 09:31:01 AM  

hashtag.acronym: Evil Twin Skippy: I just reformatted my formerly Ubuntu Linode to Arch. So I'm getting a kick...

(I'd really like to have rolled it from scratch but, you know, deadlines...)

Last Sunday I'd have liked to install Arch "the Arch way", but, instead, I installed Antergos because it's click, click, click, desktop.


Linode had a ready to go image.

It was recommended by another guy I know in the same boat: spool up a node, run it for years. Where Ubuntu fell down is the latest crop of security fixes where including new versions of lighttpd and postfix that were just no doing what my old configuration files were telling them to do anymore.

Since I was rebuilding the node pretty much from scratch I though "meh, go with something more stable."
 
2018-03-08 09:43:31 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: hashtag.acronym: Evil Twin Skippy: I just reformatted my formerly Ubuntu Linode to Arch. So I'm getting a kick...

(I'd really like to have rolled it from scratch but, you know, deadlines...)

Last Sunday I'd have liked to install Arch "the Arch way", but, instead, I installed Antergos because it's click, click, click, desktop.

Linode had a ready to go image.

It was recommended by another guy I know in the same boat: spool up a node, run it for years. Where Ubuntu fell down is the latest crop of security fixes where including new versions of lighttpd and postfix that were just no doing what my old configuration files were telling them to do anymore.

Since I was rebuilding the node pretty much from scratch I though "meh, go with something more stable."


If I could get the $20 plan for $10 I'd sign up.  Some of those "high memory" plans...damn...better off buying a used bare-bones dual xeon workstation and putting your own gear in it (or my current system).
 
2018-03-08 10:59:15 AM  

hashtag.acronym: pheelix: hashtag.acronym: Oh, pheelix, as far as distros go I've found myself using Antergos with KDE and sticking with it (and Enlightenment when I want to change it up). The only issue right now is there are some random problems with the 4.15 kernel (not necessarily Arch/Antergos specific), but the 4.14 LTS kernel is running fantastically. I'm having random GUI lag with my AMD gpu, NVidia users are having all sorts of issues, random Xeon server issues, KDE doesn't like it...4.15 is a mess...haven't checked other distro forums or bug reports, but not all Arch users are running swimmingly with 4.15, some are, but some aren't.

Out of curiosity, do any other Linux users here running 4.15, not Arch or Antergos, have any issues with it?

Sorry, nothing bleeding edge running here. All my Linux machines are either running Debian Stretch or Ubuntu Mate 16.04 LTS so 4.9 and 4.10 kernels, respectively.

Gotcha, I have an AMD gpu so I have to stay relatively up-to-date for updated graphics drivers.

I quit using Ubuntu after around 7.10 or so.  I got tired of either upgrading every six months and that breaking my system or being stuck on an LTS release and needing a few pieces of updated software for gaming or multimedia reasons.

A lot of times I could get that software on Ubuntu, but I'd have to add in PPAs, third party repos, etc...then the PPA gets dropped, gotta find a new one or compile it myself, and...bahhh....f me running, just find a distro with the crap you need hashtag.  If you can't tell, I don't dislike Ubuntu because it's a "noob distro", I dislike upgrade cycles and third party repositories.

If your kid plays games and has a somewhat modern GPU (2013/2014+) from any brand (especially AMD 7XXX and up cards), I'd recommend anything with 4.14 (unless the GPU is an RX400 or newer AMD then 4.15 is required because it's the first kernel release with supported drivers for those cards).


Ha! I wish his system was that modern. He's using an old hand-me-down gaming rig I built 10 years ago. After upgrading the RAM to 8GB and adding a SSD it still does pretty well though (Q6600 with a Geforce 460GTX), even good for some light gaming as long as you're not aggressive with the video settings. He impressed me with how easily he handled setting up the OS completely on his own. Didn't need to ask me how to do anything, and the only thing I had to remind him to do was install the proptietary Nvidia driver.
 
2018-03-08 11:39:59 AM  

hashtag.acronym: divx88: <3 Debian. Just works, doesn't get in my way and easy to use. Would feel comfortable setting it up for my parents on their devices and knowing they won't have issues.

I do that with Manjaro for my parents.  Ain't no way I'd install something like Arch or Antergos on their stuff, but Manjaro is close enough to Arch that it's easy to debug and figure out what's wrong...never actually had to because all they do is email and Netflix.

Manjaro is to Arch what Ubuntu is to Debian.


Meh. I've had stability issues with Ubuntu a number of times, not a fan. Since Jessie, Debian stable has been amazing to use for me.

Will throw Manjaro on a VM and check it out.
 
2018-03-08 12:07:33 PM  

pheelix: Ha! I wish his system was that modern. He's using an old hand-me-down gaming rig I built 10 years ago. After upgrading the RAM to 8GB and adding a SSD it still does pretty well though (Q6600 with a Geforce 460GTX), even good for some light gaming as long as you're not aggressive with the video settings. He impressed me with how easily he handled setting up the OS completely on his own. Didn't need to ask me how to do anything, and the only thing I had to remind him to do was install the proptietary Nvidia driver.


How odd that my last system was a Q6600 with an Nvidia GTX 8800 and 8gb of ram (pulled from a dumpster).  If you're into HW hacking, that's a fun chip to play with.  Use conductive ink between those two pins and you get a 1333 FSB and a 3Ghz OC provided the BIOS of the PC can use a 1333 FSB.  That mod worked on my stock OEM HP motherboard and the Asus I eventually upgraded to.

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Another method to do the same thing involves putting very small pieces of electrical tape over those two pads.  This is the method I used because I'm cheap and already had the tape and razor blades.

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Anyhoo, that's how I kept using my Q6600 to play games up until 2016 when I built my current rig from used eBay workstation parts.
 
2018-03-08 12:11:28 PM  

divx88: hashtag.acronym: divx88: <3 Debian. Just works, doesn't get in my way and easy to use. Would feel comfortable setting it up for my parents on their devices and knowing they won't have issues.

I do that with Manjaro for my parents.  Ain't no way I'd install something like Arch or Antergos on their stuff, but Manjaro is close enough to Arch that it's easy to debug and figure out what's wrong...never actually had to because all they do is email and Netflix.

Manjaro is to Arch what Ubuntu is to Debian.

Meh. I've had stability issues with Ubuntu a number of times, not a fan. Since Jessie, Debian stable has been amazing to use for me.

Will throw Manjaro on a VM and check it out.


It's essentially running Arch and waiting a month before issuing pacman -Syu whenever you realize that Arch needs updating.  Manjaro basically forked the Arch repos and they'll hold off on certain updates if Arch starts acting screwy.  The only reason I don't use it is because it's a little too bit hand-holdy for a poweruser that runs custom kernels and other custom compiled stuff that can clash with their tools designed to keep a system stable.
 
2018-03-08 05:34:50 PM  
As far as Windows 10 is concerned, I think VG Cats is spot-on.
 
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