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2018-03-07 03:29:50 PM  
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2018-03-07 04:27:03 PM  
well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy
 
2018-03-07 04:28:12 PM  
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2018-03-07 04:28:53 PM  
What were his 2 miracles? Besides leaking, that is.
 
2018-03-07 04:31:35 PM  
PFORPOFUU
 
2018-03-07 04:32:24 PM  
puff hungry
 
2018-03-07 04:33:06 PM  

steelydanfan: well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy


Not a believer myself, but I must assume that you do not know who Oscar Romero was.   Hint:   The Mary Knoll Sisters, the Ursuline nun and the lay worker Jean Donovan were raped and murdered by the same people that killed him.
 
2018-03-07 04:37:02 PM  

steelydanfan: well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy


Careful with that edge, m'lord.
 
2018-03-07 04:43:25 PM  
So, he can perform miracles, but he got shot? Guy needs to work on his timing.
 
2018-03-07 04:43:27 PM  
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2018-03-07 04:43:37 PM  
Oscar Romero was the best Penguin.

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2018-03-07 04:44:12 PM  

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:shakes funny fist:
 
2018-03-07 04:44:35 PM  
St. Romero will be a powerful symbol, after all, he was killed by extreme right wingers who didn't want him speaking out against the oppression of the poor.

On a somewhat related note, Pope Francis is a genuinely good man. I hope the right wing of the Catholic Church doesn't succeed in taking him down.
 
2018-03-07 04:46:44 PM  

Private_Citizen: St. Romero will be a powerful symbol, after all, he was killed by extreme right wingers who didn't want him speaking out against the oppression of the poor.

On a somewhat related note, Pope Francis is a genuinely good man. I hope the right wing of the Catholic Church doesn't succeed in taking him down.


this
 
2018-03-07 04:47:34 PM  

Private_Citizen: St. Romero will be a powerful symbol, after all, he was killed by extreme right wingers who didn't want him speaking out against the oppression of the poor.

On a somewhat related note, Pope Francis is a genuinely good man. I hope the right wing of the Catholic Church doesn't succeed in taking him down.


Actually he would be St Oscar...
 
2018-03-07 04:48:05 PM  
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2018-03-07 04:49:11 PM  

ukexpat: Actually he would be St Oscar...


Patron Saint of weeners?
 
2018-03-07 04:49:34 PM  

steelydanfan: well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy


All religions are bullshiat but, Catholics are extra special crazy due to believing in an infallible leader on Earth and attributed miracles.

/a billion people can be wrong
 
2018-03-07 04:50:56 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: steelydanfan: well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy

Not a believer myself, but I must assume that you do not know who Oscar Romero was.   Hint:   The Mary Knoll Sisters, the Ursuline nun and the lay worker Jean Donovan were raped and murdered by the same people that killed him.


Another thing was the head of the death squad that killed him was trained by US DOD.

D'Aubuisson was born in Santa Tecla, La Libertad Department, El Salvador, graduating from the national military academy in 1963. He was part of La Tandona, the class of 1966 at the Escuela Militar. In 1972, he was trained in communications at the School of the Americas, a United States Department of Defense Institute that provides military training to government personnel in US-allied Latin American nations. After completing his studies at the Institute, he subsequently became a member of the Salvadoran military intelligence.

War is a racket. So is US intelligence.
 
2018-03-07 04:51:29 PM  

BoothbyTCD: steelydanfan: well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy

Careful with that edge, m'lord.


I am not an Edge Lord.

/I have an actual job, for one thing. Disqualified.
 
2018-03-07 04:51:42 PM  

Crewmannumber6: What were his 2 miracles? Besides leaking, that is.


Only need one if you also go full Thomas Beckett
 
2018-03-07 04:52:54 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: steelydanfan: well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy

Not a believer myself, but I must assume that you do not know who Oscar Romero was.   Hint:   The Mary Knoll Sisters, the Ursuline nun and the lay worker Jean Donovan were raped and murdered by the same people that killed him.


This. I'm an atheist, but that doesn't mean I don't have incredible respect and love for Romero. He was a religious person that truly lived up to the ideals of the faith, who gave his life rather than turn his back on people who were suffering.

You can argue about all of the metaphysical stuff all you want, but Romero followed the teachings of Jesus with all of his heart and soul. Sure, there are a lot of subjects that I disagree with the Catholic Church on, but at the same time there are some really positive principles of kindness, charity, and respect that have helped make the world a better place when people like Romero have been inspired to do the right thing despite their life being at risk.
 
2018-03-07 04:53:01 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Dewey Fidalgo: steelydanfan: well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy

Not a believer myself, but I must assume that you do not know who Oscar Romero was.   Hint:   The Mary Knoll Sisters, the Ursuline nun and the lay worker Jean Donovan were raped and murdered by the same people that killed him.

Another thing was the head of the death squad that killed him was trained by US DOD.

D'Aubuisson was born in Santa Tecla, La Libertad Department, El Salvador, graduating from the national military academy in 1963. He was part of La Tandona, the class of 1966 at the Escuela Militar. In 1972, he was trained in communications at the School of the Americas, a United States Department of Defense Institute that provides military training to government personnel in US-allied Latin American nations. After completing his studies at the Institute, he subsequently became a member of the Salvadoran military intelligence.

War is a racket. So is US intelligence.


I was just going to point out D'Aubuisson and what a piece of work he was.

/Why do we hate The School Of The Americas?
 
2018-03-07 04:55:47 PM  

Private_Citizen: St. Romero will be a powerful symbol, after all, he was killed by extreme right wingers who didn't want him speaking out against the oppression of the poor.

On a somewhat related note, Pope Francis is a genuinely good man. I hope the right wing of the Catholic Church doesn't succeed in taking him down.


He broke Cardinal Burke without even working up a sweat.  He is the White Pope, but the Black Pope and his troops  have his  back, so the Curia is really no match for him
 
2018-03-07 04:56:59 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Dewey Fidalgo: steelydanfan: well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy

Not a believer myself, but I must assume that you do not know who Oscar Romero was.   Hint:   The Mary Knoll Sisters, the Ursuline nun and the lay worker Jean Donovan were raped and murdered by the same people that killed him.

Another thing was the head of the death squad that killed him was trained by US DOD.

D'Aubuisson was born in Santa Tecla, La Libertad Department, El Salvador, graduating from the national military academy in 1963. He was part of La Tandona, the class of 1966 at the Escuela Militar. In 1972, he was trained in communications at the School of the Americas, a United States Department of Defense Institute that provides military training to government personnel in US-allied Latin American nations. After completing his studies at the Institute, he subsequently became a member of the Salvadoran military intelligence.

War is a racket. So is US intelligence.


Hey now, what's a few tens of thousands of innocent dead between friends when it keeps communism out of Central America?
 
2018-03-07 04:57:26 PM  
"You let them close down the universities, you let them wipe out the best minds in the countries, you let them kill whoever they want, you let them wipe out the Catholic Church, you let them do it all because they aren't Commies! And that, Colonel, is bull shiat! "
 
2018-03-07 05:02:52 PM  
Mad_Radhu:  Hey now, what's a few tens of thousands of innocent dead between friends when it keeps communism out of Central America?

Those bananas and coffee beans aren't going to pick themselves
 
2018-03-07 05:03:51 PM  
Blessed Oscar Romero's last sermon
Youtube IuZV6whwj1g
Archbishop Romero played by Raul Julia.
Caution, some graphic images of victims of the death squads.
 
2018-03-07 05:09:27 PM  
Congrats!
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2018-03-07 05:23:37 PM  
Oscar Romero to be made a saint, approving a miracle attributed to his intercession.
Can someone translate please? What miracle? I don't understand.
 
2018-03-07 05:38:40 PM  
Two saints for the price of one:


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2018-03-07 05:40:18 PM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Oscar Romero to be made a saint, approving a miracle attributed to his intercession.
Can someone translate please? What miracle? I don't understand.


The Church has a fairly stringent process when it comes to declaring sainthood - there must be 'verified' miracles attributed to the stiff's intervention - And they do actually try to rule out ordinary events when looking for miracles, although there's always some bias. Don't know what miracle was approved, but the article was fairly low on details - there's records of it somewhere, though. Canonization takes paperwork.
 
2018-03-07 05:42:50 PM  

Ramien: Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Oscar Romero to be made a saint, approving a miracle attributed to his intercession.
Can someone translate please? What miracle? I don't understand.

The Church has a fairly stringent process when it comes to declaring sainthood - there must be 'verified' miracles attributed to the stiff's intervention - And they do actually try to rule out ordinary events when looking for miracles, although there's always some bias. Don't know what miracle was approved, but the article was fairly low on details - there's records of it somewhere, though. Canonization takes paperwork.


This was it, apparently:

https://cruxnow.com/global-church/201​7​/03/06/vatican-study-possible-miracle-​slain-archbishop-oscar-romero/
 
2018-03-07 05:48:43 PM  

Magorn: Private_Citizen: St. Romero will be a powerful symbol, after all, he was killed by extreme right wingers who didn't want him speaking out against the oppression of the poor.

On a somewhat related note, Pope Francis is a genuinely good man. I hope the right wing of the Catholic Church doesn't succeed in taking him down.

He broke Cardinal Burke without even working up a sweat.  He is the White Pope, but the Black Pope and his troops  have his  back, so the Curia is really no match for him


This is a rare post: factually accurate, insightful, and cool enough that it could be spoken on Game of Thrones and sound right at home.
 
2018-03-07 05:51:40 PM  

AquaTatanka: steelydanfan: well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy

All religions are bullshiat but, Catholics are extra special crazy due to believing in an infallible leader on Earth and attributed miracles.

/a billion people can be wrong


So can one internet troll.

Case in point, the Pope isn't an infallible leader
 
2018-03-07 05:57:57 PM  
In fairness, after a bottle of Patron everything becomes obvious.
 
2018-03-07 05:58:11 PM  

LordOfThePings: Oscar Romero was the best Penguin.

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You idiot.   That's Cesar Millan.
 
2018-03-07 06:04:18 PM  

DOCTORD000M: LordOfThePings: Oscar Romero was the best Penguin.

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You idiot.   That's Cesar Millan.


It's not even penguin. It's penjgueen or something. Here....

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2018-03-07 06:11:26 PM  
headline: ...approves for Oscar Romero for...

for stuttering for ?
 
2018-03-07 06:20:43 PM  
Every time I hear about a new canonization I think of the skit on SNL with Fr. Guido Sarducci.

/And I'm Catholic.
 
2018-03-07 06:59:31 PM  

Magorn: Private_Citizen: St. Romero will be a powerful symbol, after all, he was killed by extreme right wingers who didn't want him speaking out against the oppression of the poor.

On a somewhat related note, Pope Francis is a genuinely good man. I hope the right wing of the Catholic Church doesn't succeed in taking him down.

He broke Cardinal Burke without even working up a sweat.  He is the White Pope, but the Black Pope and his troops  have his  back, so the Curia is really no match for him


Do not underestimate the mendacity of the Curia:  in the early years of Francis' papacy they would often
issue press releases that 'clarified' his liberal (by Catholic standards, anyway) statements and have
by all accounts done their best to undermine his attempts to bring some glacially paced progress on
church doctrine.  The vast majority of them were installed in their positions by Benedict, either while he
was Pope himself or by JPII rubber-stamping his former right hand's 'suggestions', and as such the
College of Cardinals and Curia are packed with people who think that Vatican II was a bad idea.  They
may not be quite as horrendously backward as, say, American Dominionists, but they have a similiarly
mediaval worldview.
 
2018-03-07 07:10:08 PM  

Ramien: Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Oscar Romero to be made a saint, approving a miracle attributed to his intercession.
Can someone translate please? What miracle? I don't understand.

The Church has a fairly stringent process when it comes to declaring sainthood - there must be 'verified' miracles attributed to the stiff's intervention - And they do actually try to rule out ordinary events when looking for miracles, although there's always some bias. Don't know what miracle was approved, but the article was fairly low on details - there's records of it somewhere, though. Canonization takes paperwork.


You can also be sainted for martyrdom to the faith, if it's bad enough/it's politically expedient to do so.  That doesn't require miracles necessarily.  Although it's less common.  And yeah, they really do investigate the fark out of it.  Albeit it's a bit hard to prove a miracle - they do run the logical explanations of an event through to see if those work out better.  Your idea of which one makes more sense may vary, but they really do put a lot of time and effort into poking at it.

/once again, political expediency can veto investigatory evidence from time to time
//not so much here though I'd imagine
///here you have a rare marriage of politically expedient and doctrinally AOK - Romero walked the walk as far as anyone can tell - and it most definitely got him killed
 
2018-03-07 07:16:17 PM  

Ramien: Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Oscar Romero to be made a saint, approving a miracle attributed to his intercession.
Can someone translate please? What miracle? I don't understand.

The Church has a fairly stringent process when it comes to declaring sainthood - there must be 'verified' miracles attributed to the stiff's intervention - And they do actually try to rule out ordinary events when looking for miracles, although there's always some bias. Don't know what miracle was approved, but the article was fairly low on details - there's records of it somewhere, though. Canonization takes paperwork.


Actually any medical miracle has to be verified by a third party with no background knowledge of the case.  There's a book called medical miracles that covers it quite well, and actually chronicles many of the investigations.  It's written by an atheist who was the independent doctor who assessed the case of St. Margarite d'Youville.  The miracle has to be a condition with a dire prognosis, and has to directly attributable to prayer for intercession (by this I mean the prayers have to happen close in proximity and time to the case, it can't be some nebulous or vague someone, somewhere, some time praying) by that saint.  The healing has to be spontaneous and sudden, and not explainable by medical knowledge.  There has to be fully documented medical evidence of every part of it, which is independently interpreted by a doctor with no previous knowledge of the case, who does not know they are looking at something towards a cause for canonization.  It's quite stringent.
 
2018-03-07 07:24:38 PM  

Private_Citizen: Magorn: Private_Citizen: St. Romero will be a powerful symbol, after all, he was killed by extreme right wingers who didn't want him speaking out against the oppression of the poor.

On a somewhat related note, Pope Francis is a genuinely good man. I hope the right wing of the Catholic Church doesn't succeed in taking him down.

He broke Cardinal Burke without even working up a sweat.  He is the White Pope, but the Black Pope and his troops  have his  back, so the Curia is really no match for him

This is a rare post: factually accurate, insightful, and cool enough that it could be spoken on Game of Thrones and sound right at home.


Except that the phrase "black pope" traditionally means the Governor General of the Jesuits.  Someone who can presumably stick to leading the Jesuits, knowing the pope is already acting in the ways of Jesus (more so if the boobiepost is accurate.  That isn't WWJD on your sleeve, that is instinctively doing WJWD).
 
2018-03-07 07:25:29 PM  

JDAT: Every time I hear about a new canonization I think of the skit on SNL with Fr. Guido Sarducci.

/And I'm Catholic.


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2018-03-07 08:02:52 PM  

Ramien: Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Oscar Romero to be made a saint, approving a miracle attributed to his intercession.
Can someone translate please? What miracle? I don't understand.

The Church has a fairly stringent process when it comes to declaring sainthood - there must be 'verified' miracles attributed to the stiff's intervention - And they do actually try to rule out ordinary events when looking for miracles, although there's always some bias. Don't know what miracle was approved, but the article was fairly low on details - there's records of it somewhere, though. Canonization takes paperwork.


It's not "stringent", it's a farking joke.

There are no miracles.  They don't exist, they have never existed, they're not a real thing.

Fake paperwork about fake "miracles" is still real hogwash.  And trying to pretend it isn't is just farking sad.
 
2018-03-07 08:07:13 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Magorn: Private_Citizen: St. Romero will be a powerful symbol, after all, he was killed by extreme right wingers who didn't want him speaking out against the oppression of the poor.

On a somewhat related note, Pope Francis is a genuinely good man. I hope the right wing of the Catholic Church doesn't succeed in taking him down.

He broke Cardinal Burke without even working up a sweat.  He is the White Pope, but the Black Pope and his troops  have his  back, so the Curia is really no match for him

Do not underestimate the mendacity of the Curia:  in the early years of Francis' papacy they would often
issue press releases that 'clarified' his liberal (by Catholic standards, anyway) statements and have
by all accounts done their best to undermine his attempts to bring some glacially paced progress on
church doctrine.  The vast majority of them were installed in their positions by Benedict, either while he
was Pope himself or by JPII rubber-stamping his former right hand's 'suggestions', and as such the
College of Cardinals and Curia are packed with people who think that Vatican II was a bad idea.  They
may not be quite as horrendously backward as, say, American Dominionists, but they have a similiarly
mediaval worldview.


John Paul II was anti-communist and was really a dick to the Catholic workers in the central America.  I do not know why he was so loved.   Well, I get it, but he'd turn his back on social justice if it meant the Commies were defeated.   Don't get him started on Liberation Theology.   I'm sure if he had been pope when the Berrigans  were destroying draft files they would have been kicked out or exiled to the hinterland of Nome or something.
 
2018-03-07 08:07:53 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Ramien: Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Oscar Romero to be made a saint, approving a miracle attributed to his intercession.
Can someone translate please? What miracle? I don't understand.

The Church has a fairly stringent process when it comes to declaring sainthood - there must be 'verified' miracles attributed to the stiff's intervention - And they do actually try to rule out ordinary events when looking for miracles, although there's always some bias. Don't know what miracle was approved, but the article was fairly low on details - there's records of it somewhere, though. Canonization takes paperwork.

You can also be sainted for martyrdom to the faith, if it's bad enough/it's politically expedient to do so.  That doesn't require miracles necessarily.  Although it's less common.  And yeah, they really do investigate the fark out of it.  Albeit it's a bit hard to prove a miracle - they do run the logical explanations of an event through to see if those work out better.  Your idea of which one makes more sense may vary, but they really do put a lot of time and effort into poking at it.

/once again, political expediency can veto investigatory evidence from time to time
//not so much here though I'd imagine
///here you have a rare marriage of politically expedient and doctrinally AOK - Romero walked the walk as far as anyone can tell - and it most definitely got him killed


I think martyrdom only cancels the miracle needed for beatification (the minor leagues- you're good enough to assume you're in heaven, but not in the majors), so they get to skip that step, but still need at least one confirmed miracle for canonization.
 
2018-03-07 08:08:59 PM  

foxy_canuck: AquaTatanka: steelydanfan: well hoody-too-too, another magic sky fairy huckster gets appointed to the magic sky fairy huckster hall of fame.

Signed,
Atheist Guy

All religions are bullshiat but, Catholics are extra special crazy due to believing in an infallible leader on Earth and attributed miracles.

/a billion people can be wrong

So can one internet troll.

Case in point, the Pope isn't an infallible leader


Check your Catholic Doctrine, dumbass.  When it comes to spiritual matters, he is infallible according to the church.
 
2018-03-07 08:20:12 PM  

Private_Citizen: st. romero will be a powerful symbol, after all, he was killed by extreme right wingers who didn't want him speaking out against the oppression of the poor.

On a somewhat related note, poop Bergoglio is a genuinely good man. I hope the right wing of the catholic church doesn't succeed in taking him down.


Is he, though?  I mean, he's not as actively evil as the past two poops, but he is still actively anti-choice, he is still actively against marriage equality, and he's still trying to convince people that there is some sort of god, which is ultimately simply a fund raising tool for the catholic church.

The catholic church is the biggest megachurch on the planet.  Their annual haul makes the take of Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson, Richard Roberts, Benny Hinn and Jim Bakker combined look like beer money for a mormon.  That in and of itself is evil.

So, are there people in the catholic church who think they're doing something good?  Yeah, that's a thing.  But think what, say, Amnesty International could do if they had that funding instead.
 
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