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(Washington Post)   The Kurds pull back from Syria, say the US gave them up, let them down, ran around them and deserted. It's enough to make you cry. We should say goodbye   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2018-03-07 08:51:49 AM  
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2018-03-07 08:55:47 AM  
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2018-03-07 08:56:12 AM  
Sadly predictable.
 
2018-03-07 09:06:31 AM  
Would you say that they're cheesed off?
 
2018-03-07 09:07:39 AM  

FrancoFile: Would you say that they're cheesed off?


I'd say they were whey cheesed off
 
2018-03-07 09:07:53 AM  
Oh there's a big shock.
 
2018-03-07 09:08:18 AM  
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"You ever hear the story about the zen master and the little boy..."
 
2018-03-07 09:08:43 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: [img.fark.net image 500x709]


Erdogan owns our government nearly as completely as Putin does.
 
2018-03-07 09:09:22 AM  
No whey!!!
 
2018-03-07 09:09:31 AM  
Mostly because we did.
 
2018-03-07 09:10:56 AM  
Great, the last time we did this shiat in Iraq it created ISIS, and the time before that when we did it in Afghanistan it created Al-Queda.  What could possibly go wrong?
 
2018-03-07 09:11:24 AM  

gilatrout: FrancoFile: Would you say that they're cheesed off?

I'd say they were whey cheesed off


No, we are gonna see a huge jump in the price of Poutine.

Thanks, Orange Menace.
 
2018-03-07 09:13:37 AM  
My... two word phrase I can't type due to a filter... was a RickRoll.

I feel old, and pathetic.
 
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2018-03-07 09:13:58 AM  

Archidude: Tr0mBoNe: [img.fark.net image 500x709]

Erdogan owns our government nearly as completely as Putin does.


Why is why we're no longer in like Flynn.
 
2018-03-07 09:14:20 AM  
But...but...Orange Daddy said he already defeated ISIS?
 
2018-03-07 09:15:10 AM  
Gee, a whole lot of stuff seems to be going Putin's way over the last year. What a crazy random happenstance.
 
2018-03-07 09:15:52 AM  
If any people on Earth knows they can trust no one, ever, it's the Kurds.
 
2018-03-07 09:17:28 AM  

Scanty Em: If any people on Earth knows they can trust no one, ever, it's the Kurds.


It certainly isn't the first time we've used them and discarded them when they no longer served our purposes.
 
2018-03-07 09:22:37 AM  
If its Turkey or the Kurds, the Turks are gonna get our support
 
2018-03-07 09:23:23 AM  
Well, we did it before and our president fires everything. Kinda shooda saw this coming guys.
 
2018-03-07 09:24:22 AM  

vwarb: Gee, a whole lot of stuff seems to be going Putin's way over the last year. What a crazy random happenstance.


I'm not sure Syria is really a win for Putin. It's looking like its his Iraq in the making, which is fine. Couldn't have happened to a nicer jackass.

but Russia is gonna be bogged down in Syria for a decade with this.

 seems only fitting. We gave them vietnam in Afghanistan as payback for their help in Nam. They gave us Afghanistan in Afghanistan, so the least we could do is give them Iraq in Syria.

it's like cold war proxy bingo!
 
2018-03-07 09:24:34 AM  

chitlenz: Great, the last time we did this shiat in Iraq it created ISIS, and the time before that when we did it in Afghanistan it created Al-Queda.  What could possibly go wrong?


An emboldened and furious Kurdish region declaring independence from Turkey, Iran and Iraq all at the same time. Then, a siege.
 
2018-03-07 09:25:34 AM  
Truly we are the beacon on the hill.
 
2018-03-07 09:28:56 AM  
 How immature is it to think the US should bail on Turkey and instead support the new and improved country of Kurdistan ( with US aid and assistance )?  Can someone tell me why that couldn't or shouldn't come to fruition? Turkey is obviously not your friend anymore.
 
2018-03-07 09:30:24 AM  

croesius: But...but...Orange Daddy said he already defeated ISIS?


Sadly people believe we are there to fight ISIS, instead of just protecting Syria's interest.
 
2018-03-07 09:31:01 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: How immature is it to think the US should bail on Turkey and instead support the new and improved country of Kurdistan ( with US aid and assistance )?  Can someone tell me why that couldn't or shouldn't come to fruition? Turkey is obviously not your friend anymore.


America's friend? Probably not under Erdogan. Trump's friend? You bet your Turkish delight
 
2018-03-07 09:31:29 AM  

chitlenz: Great, the last time we did this shiat in Iraq it created ISIS, and the time before that when we did it in Afghanistan it created Al-Queda.  What could possibly go wrong?


Except this time we made enemies of guys who are the meanest killers on the planet except the Ghurkas.
 
2018-03-07 09:31:39 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: How immature is it to think the US should bail on Turkey and instead support the new and improved country of Kurdistan ( with US aid and assistance )?  Can someone tell me why that couldn't or shouldn't come to fruition? Turkey is obviously not your friend anymore.


Kurdistan is made up of nearly equal parts Turkey, Iraq and Iran. It's a political powder keg with implications well beyond the US and their relations with one of those states.
 
2018-03-07 09:34:39 AM  

somedude210: vwarb: Gee, a whole lot of stuff seems to be going Putin's way over the last year. What a crazy random happenstance.

I'm not sure Syria is really a win for Putin. It's looking like its his Iraq in the making, which is fine. Couldn't have happened to a nicer jackass.

but Russia is gonna be bogged down in Syria for a decade with this.

 seems only fitting. We gave them vietnam in Afghanistan as payback for their help in Nam. They gave us Afghanistan in Afghanistan, so the least we could do is give them Iraq in Syria.

it's like cold war proxy bingo!


Very, very few countries have ever liked being occupied by Russia.
 
2018-03-07 09:35:19 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: somedude210: vwarb: Gee, a whole lot of stuff seems to be going Putin's way over the last year. What a crazy random happenstance.

I'm not sure Syria is really a win for Putin. It's looking like its his Iraq in the making, which is fine. Couldn't have happened to a nicer jackass.

but Russia is gonna be bogged down in Syria for a decade with this.

 seems only fitting. We gave them vietnam in Afghanistan as payback for their help in Nam. They gave us Afghanistan in Afghanistan, so the least we could do is give them Iraq in Syria.

it's like cold war proxy bingo!

Very, very few countries have ever liked being occupied by Russia.


Even the Russia isn't too fond of being occupied by Russians
 
2018-03-07 09:35:33 AM  
We should put a tariff on Syria!
 
2018-03-07 09:36:05 AM  
Perhaps it's best if we just stop trying to pick winners in the Middle East.
 
2018-03-07 09:36:26 AM  

apotheosis27: We should put a tariff on Syria!


Don't work Canada... we'll carve out an exception for Maple Syria?
 
2018-03-07 09:41:15 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: How immature is it to think the US should bail on Turkey and instead support the new and improved country of Kurdistan ( with US aid and assistance )?  Can someone tell me why that couldn't or shouldn't come to fruition? Turkey is obviously not your friend anymore.

Kurdistan is made up of nearly equal parts Turkey, Iraq and Iran. It's a political powder keg with implications well beyond the US and their relations with one of those states.


And, like Gyr said above, some of the meanest fighters on earth. Even Ghurkas know to treat them as efficient killers.
 
2018-03-07 09:43:38 AM  
Did they not remember us doing that to Iraq's Kurds in the 90s? Did they think we were a different America? I know we talk about the two Americas but it's not meant to be taken literally. John Edwards got into a lot of trouble for doing so and having a family on each America.
 
2018-03-07 09:52:43 AM  
Where have all the American-supported stooges gone?
Long time passing.
Where have all the expendable natives gone?
Long time ago.

Get in line, Kurds. You're just another group that was conned into doing the fighting for  US Big Business. Sad thing is after all the previous groups got abandoned to their enemies, you guys took the bait hook, line and sinker.

Be sure and warn other groups what happens when Uncle Sam give you a patriotic tug-job.
 
2018-03-07 09:53:03 AM  
I don't know if backing them was a GOOD idea, but I do know that abandoning them is a bad one.

If there's one thing we don't need to be doing in the middle east, it's sowing further distrust and dislike of the west to give terror groups even more power to recruit disillusioned and demoralized fighters against us and our allies.

That, of course, is the ONLY thing this administration has done in the region so far, because they are complete failures at every single thing they do.

Well, assuming Comrade Combover's objective is to strengthen the U.S., anyway. Pretty dangerous assumption, given current evidence.
 
2018-03-07 09:57:10 AM  

Inebriated Bolshevik Muppet: Tr0mBoNe: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: How immature is it to think the US should bail on Turkey and instead support the new and improved country of Kurdistan ( with US aid and assistance )?  Can someone tell me why that couldn't or shouldn't come to fruition? Turkey is obviously not your friend anymore.

Kurdistan is made up of nearly equal parts Turkey, Iraq and Iran. It's a political powder keg with implications well beyond the US and their relations with one of those states.

And, like Gyr said above, some of the meanest fighters on earth. Even Ghurkas know to treat them as efficient killers.


Their region is a big mountain range, too. Not exactly an easy nut to crack.
 
2018-03-07 09:59:33 AM  

vwarb: Gee, a whole lot of stuff seems to be going Putin's way over the last year. What a crazy random happenstance.


I can't read the article.

But, why would Putin care? They're not fighting Assad. They're fighting Turkey, if anyone. You know, the people Putin doesn't like.

And how can they pull back. They live in Syria! Amongst other places.
 
2018-03-07 10:00:04 AM  

RaymondQGillet: Truly we are the beacon on the hill.


Ripley: "I'm not sure, but I don't think it's a beacon. I think it's a warning."

Ash: "FAKE NEWS!"
 
2018-03-07 10:01:05 AM  

skozlaw: I don't know if backing them was a GOOD idea, but I do know that abandoning them is a bad one.

If there's one thing we don't need to be doing in the middle east, it's sowing further distrust and dislike of the west to give terror groups even more power to recruit disillusioned and demoralized fighters against us and our allies.

That, of course, is the ONLY thing this administration has done in the region so far, because they are complete failures at every single thing they do.

Well, assuming Comrade Combover's objective is to strengthen the U.S., anyway. Pretty dangerous assumption, given current evidence.


I'm worried about new Trungs being created.

http://www.pbs.org/vietnampassage/Sto​r​ies/stories.trung.02.html

He saw his father murdered by the US supported despot. He was trained in America as a military pilot. He bombed the palace of the despot. He managed to train 5 new pilots then used them to bomb the American evacuation program at Vietnam's national airport, which forced the boat evacuations.
 
2018-03-07 10:01:11 AM  
The Kurds have been let down over, and over, and over again over the past century. We'll support any middle eastern dictator, no matter how brutal, but Kurds no, fark those guys.
 
2018-03-07 10:02:04 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Inebriated Bolshevik Muppet: Tr0mBoNe: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: How immature is it to think the US should bail on Turkey and instead support the new and improved country of Kurdistan ( with US aid and assistance )?  Can someone tell me why that couldn't or shouldn't come to fruition? Turkey is obviously not your friend anymore.

Kurdistan is made up of nearly equal parts Turkey, Iraq and Iran. It's a political powder keg with implications well beyond the US and their relations with one of those states.

And, like Gyr said above, some of the meanest fighters on earth. Even Ghurkas know to treat them as efficient killers.

Their region is a big mountain range, too. Not exactly an easy nut to crack.


Pretty much every homogeneous group of people in the shadow of the Caucasus Range are. Just ask Russia about the Chechens. Or about the Armenians. Or the Georgians.

The Kurds had it a little bit worse than the rest though.
 
2018-03-07 10:05:47 AM  

hissatsu: The Kurds have been let down over, and over, and over again over the past century. We'll support any middle eastern dictator, no matter how brutal, but Kurds no, fark those guys.


Out of all the ethnic groups in the Mideast, the Kurds seem to be one of the few that deserve sympathy.  That said, the behavior of the US is not surprising.   Like Henry Kissinger once said, "Being America's enemy can be dangerous.  Being America's friend is invariably fatal."
 
2018-03-07 10:05:52 AM  
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2018-03-07 10:19:27 AM  
The Kurds helped us in Iraq when we needed help bad. They deserve our support.
 
2018-03-07 10:20:49 AM  
 2014: "I can't believe you're not doing more for the Kurds! 2018: F*ck the Kurds, Trump knows what he's doing! I don't actually know who the Kurds are! No more clean cheese! Free Jack Phar! Stop the picnic apes!
 
2018-03-07 10:22:12 AM  
And we just lost one of our few allies in the region.
 
2018-03-07 10:24:18 AM  
Fortunately you have a leader in the WH who understands the nuance and delicacy required to successfully manage an international boondoggle like this...

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2018-03-07 10:24:50 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: How immature is it to think the US should bail on Turkey and instead support the new and improved country of Kurdistan ( with US aid and assistance )?  Can someone tell me why that couldn't or shouldn't come to fruition? Turkey is obviously not your friend anymore.


Trump wants (or wanted) to build a new property in Turkey, pre-election.  This scenario was literally a worry once he was elected, that he would withdraw U.S. support for the Kurds because Turkey doesn't like them and wants to murder them all and can't while they have our guns.

From December 2016:

A prominent businessman with close ties to Donald Trumphas been arrested in Turkey so the country can use him as leverage in their dealings with the US President-elect, it has been claimed
 
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