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2018-03-07 07:19:31 AM  
And exactly why isn't this f*cker in the can serving Buck Rogers time?

Morris's trial defense attorney, Bill Ray, told Texas Lawyer he didn't object to use of stun belt during trial because his client was acting "like a loaded canon ready to go off." He also claimed he did not believe Morris was really being shocked.

And this guy alongside him for gross malpractice.
 
2018-03-07 07:49:17 AM  
Ah well. The judge understands that the only thing that torture gets you is the answers that make the torture stop. So he has that going for him.
 
2018-03-07 07:53:40 AM  
Can't we just fire him?

/From a cannon
//Into the sun
///With three slashies
 
2018-03-07 07:53:51 AM  
Torture: not just for POWs any more.

/Stop this country - I want to get off
 
OOF
2018-03-07 07:54:29 AM  
"If you had nine-inch nails and you tried to rip my sides out and then you put a heat lamp on me."

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2018-03-07 07:54:47 AM  

pueblonative: He also claimed he did not believe Morris was really being shocked.


Lawyer:Yeah, so they put this shock belt on him, right?  And then the judge told the bailiff to shock him.  And, then the bailiff pushes a button that's hooked up to the shock thingy.  Then my client starts twitching and he's all "ERGH ERGH OHG OHG OHG!" and stuff.  How the hell was I supposed to know he was getting shocked for real?
 
2018-03-07 07:55:31 AM  
This judge should be fed, alive, to about five rats.
 
2018-03-07 07:56:11 AM  
BSAB works this time.
 
2018-03-07 07:58:04 AM  
Wow.  It wasn't just rhetoric.  They really DID make America great again.
 
2018-03-07 08:00:13 AM  
Ok, so I went to RTFA and saw this "2014 trial on charges of soliciting sexual performance from a 15-year-old girl".  Is "soliciting sexual performance" trying to pay for a beej or asking her to strip and dance or asking her to take nude photos at a strip mall but he forgot the consent forms at home?

Also, since the guy is a diddler, does it now become OK that he was being shocked?
 
2018-03-07 08:00:32 AM  
And people wonder why some criminals would rather go out shooting.
 
2018-03-07 08:01:28 AM  

honk: Wow.  It wasn't just rhetoric.  They really DID make America great again.


Tell me about it.  I'm a steel worker.  Trump is going a GREAT job helping me out.
 
2018-03-07 08:01:48 AM  
Morris's trial defense attorney, Bill Ray, told Texas Lawyer he didn't object to use of stun belt during trial because his client was acting "like a loaded canon ready to go off." He also claimed he did not believe Morris was really being shocked.

Schrodinger's stun belt.
 
2018-03-07 08:05:07 AM  

hashtag.acronym: Ok, so I went to RTFA and saw this "2014 trial on charges of soliciting sexual performance from a 15-year-old girl".  Is "soliciting sexual performance" trying to pay for a beej or asking her to strip and dance or asking her to take nude photos at a strip mall but he forgot the consent forms at home?

Also, since the guy is a diddler, does it now become OK that he was being shocked?


No.
 
2018-03-07 08:06:08 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: pueblonative: He also claimed he did not believe Morris was really being shocked.

Lawyer:Yeah, so they put this shock belt on him, right?  And then the judge told the bailiff to shock him.  And, then the bailiff pushes a button that's hooked up to the shock thingy.  Then my client starts twitching and he's all "ERGH ERGH OHG OHG OHG!" and stuff.  How the hell was I supposed to know he was getting shocked for real?


To be fair, if someone ever thinks they have the power to shock you (but have other means of forcing physical compliance, like a truncheon), and they push the button but you don't get shocked, your best course of action is to act as if you're being shocked anyway. Otherwise you're getting a night stick to the back of the head from that sadistic farker.
 
2018-03-07 08:07:55 AM  
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This fall!  Judge Judy 2.0.  Now with more SHOCKING revelations!  Electric conversations and high voltage cases!

Okay.  I'd watch that.

JJ:  Did you this nice lady buy you a cell phone?
Defendant:  Oh, yeah.  It was a gift
JJ: Really?
(Buzzz....)
Defendant:  She gave it to me without
(Buzzz.....)
Defendant:  Okay!  I told her I'd pay her back when I got a job.  But I never got a job!
JJ:  Have you been looking?
Defendant:  Well....
(Buzzz....)
Defendant:  I have to ....
(Buzzz....)
Defendant:  NO!  I tell her I'm looking but I'm over at my home's crib.
(Buzzz...)
Defendeant:  What was that for?  I told the truth.
JJ:  That was for using "home's" as a reference to 'homey' and "crib" as a reference to a residence.  .
 
2018-03-07 08:08:03 AM  
the stun belt delivers an eight-second, 50,000-volt shock to the person wearing it, which immobilizes him so that bailiffs can swiftly neutralize any security threats. When activated, the stun belt can cause the person to seize, suffer heart irregularities, urinate or defecate and suffer possibly crippling anxiety as a result of fear of the shocks.

That is medieval Spanish inquisition style sadism. That judge should be in prison. The bailiffs who where "just following orders" should be fired.

The judge is up for re-election in 2020. This being Texas, I assume he will be overwhelmingly re-affirmed.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2018-03-07 08:10:46 AM  
The case is here, or at least here for the moment because it's a search result rather than a static page: Terry Lee Morris v. The State of Texas, No. 08-16-00153-CR.

Because the trial transcript clearly shows that the trial judge, during a heated exchanged with the defendant outside the presence of the jury, ordered his bailiff to electrocute the defendant three times with a stun belt-not for legitimate security purposes, but solely as a show of the court's power as the defendant asked the court to stop "torturing" him-we harbor grave doubts as to whether Morris' trial comported with basic constitutional mandates. As such, we have no choice but to overturn Morris' conviction and remand for a new trial.
 
2018-03-07 08:12:46 AM  

hashtag.acronym: Ok, so I went to RTFA and saw this "2014 trial on charges of soliciting sexual performance from a 15-year-old girl".  Is "soliciting sexual performance" trying to pay for a beej or asking her to strip and dance or asking her to take nude photos at a strip mall but he forgot the consent forms at home?

Also, since the guy is a diddler, does it now become OK that he was being shocked?


Who really knows at this point?  Under our system he's innocent until proven guilty.  Which means as far as the impartial judge is concerned, this guy hadn't diddled any kids because it wasn't proven.  They hadn't even gotten that far when the judge started shocking him.  This was pretrial motion.  You can't shock someone for being a smart ass in court.  If you could, Joe Pesci would have died making that horrible film.
 
2018-03-07 08:20:42 AM  
Does anyone have a link to the decision?
I am pleasantly surprised that he is getting a new trial. In most cases like this the decision reads sonething like, yes, the Judge should not have allowed the defendant to be tased, yes, the defense attorney should have realized that his client was being tased, BUT it really did hot change the outcome of the case, so application for a new trial is denied.
 
2018-03-07 08:22:11 AM  
Thanks ZAZ for posting the link while I was typing.
 
2018-03-07 08:22:59 AM  

pueblonative: And exactly why isn't this f*cker in the can serving Buck Rogers time?


I also would like to know this.  If it was an unnecessary use, then it was assault plain and simple.
 
2018-03-07 08:24:10 AM  
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2018-03-07 08:26:21 AM  
Well, if he wasn't being so obstreperous...
Yeah, I had to look that one up
 
2018-03-07 08:32:24 AM  

jaytkay: the stun belt delivers an eight-second, 50,000-volt shock to the person wearing it, which immobilizes him so that bailiffs can swiftly neutralize any security threats. When activated, the stun belt can cause the person to seize, suffer heart irregularities, urinate or defecate and suffer possibly crippling anxiety as a result of fear of the shocks.

That is medieval Spanish inquisition style sadism. That judge should be in prison. The bailiffs who where "just following orders" should be fired.

The judge is up for re-election in 2020. This being Texas, I assume he will be overwhelmingly re-affirmed.


No. It is 21st Century American court room style sadism. Welcome to the past.
 
2018-03-07 08:38:01 AM  

hashtag.acronym: Ok, so I went to RTFA and saw this "2014 trial on charges of soliciting sexual performance from a 15-year-old girl".  Is "soliciting sexual performance" trying to pay for a beej or asking her to strip and dance or asking her to take nude photos at a strip mall but he forgot the consent forms at home?

Also, since the guy is a diddler, does it now become OK that he was being shocked?


Now we'll never know if he was a pedocreep, because the asshole judge just let him walk free.
 
2018-03-07 08:40:49 AM  

Usernate: BSAB works this time.


Pedos and judges who like barbaric judicial practices?  Sounds like one side to me.

/Insert Roy Moore reference here.
 
2018-03-07 08:42:09 AM  
The guy deserves a new trial and the judge needs to be sanctioned or removed, but unlike the rest of fark, I'm not crying over it or really care about the defendant.

https://www.texastribune.org/library/​d​ata/texas-prisons/inmates/terry-lee-mo​rris/917832/
 
2018-03-07 08:42:34 AM  
'tard shocking court.
 
2018-03-07 08:47:00 AM  
Got his attention, didn't it?
 
2018-03-07 08:48:50 AM  

Ker_Thwap: hashtag.acronym: Ok, so I went to RTFA and saw this "2014 trial on charges of soliciting sexual performance from a 15-year-old girl".  Is "soliciting sexual performance" trying to pay for a beej or asking her to strip and dance or asking her to take nude photos at a strip mall but he forgot the consent forms at home?

Also, since the guy is a diddler, does it now become OK that he was being shocked?

Now we'll never know if he was a pedocreep, because the asshole judge just let him walk free.


No, he's not walking free.  He's getting a new trial, this one without a shock device attached to him.
 
2018-03-07 08:52:47 AM  

CivicMindedFive: The guy deserves a new trial and the judge needs to be sanctioned or removed, but unlike the rest of fark, I'm not crying over it or really care about the defendant.

https://www.texastribune.org/library/d​ata/texas-prisons/inmates/terry-lee-mo​rris/917832/


Society is best judged by the way we treat our prisoners, those entrusted to our system to receive fair treatment.
 
2018-03-07 09:04:50 AM  

FreeLawyer: Does anyone have a link to the decision?
I am pleasantly surprised that he is getting a new trial. In most cases like this the decision reads sonething like, yes, the Judge should not have allowed the defendant to be tased, yes, the defense attorney should have realized that his client was being tased, BUT it really did hot change the outcome of the case, so application for a new trial is denied.


http://caselaw.findlaw.com/tx-court-o​f​-appeals/1890647.html
 
2018-03-07 09:06:24 AM  

FreeLawyer: Thanks ZAZ for posting the link while I was typing.


And of course I'm late.

It's ugly.  And the most outrageous line in TFA:

Gallagher did not return a request for comment seeking his rationale for use of the stun belt on Morris; he declined to comment to Texas Lawyer, saying the case is coming back to his court.
 
2018-03-07 09:08:29 AM  
FTFA: He had recently filed a federal lawsuit against his defense attorney

Dumbass.

FTFA: Morris's trial defense attorney, Bill Ray, told Texas Lawyer he didn't object to use of stun belt during trial because his client was acting "like a loaded cannon ready to go off."

Nevermind, I take that back.  Sue away!
 
2018-03-07 09:10:08 AM  

CivicMindedFive: The guy deserves a new trial and the judge needs to be sanctioned or removed, but unlike the rest of fark, I'm not crying over it or really care about the defendant.

https://www.texastribune.org/library/d​ata/texas-prisons/inmates/terry-lee-mo​rris/917832/


Just to be clear, you are citing as evidence for "fark this defendant" the conviction on "EMPLOY/INDUCE CHILD U/18 SEX P" that TFA says is being vacated because the judge is a torturing sack of shiat.
 
2018-03-07 09:11:16 AM  

hashtag.acronym: Ok, so I went to RTFA and saw this "2014 trial on charges of soliciting sexual performance from a 15-year-old girl".  Is "soliciting sexual performance" trying to pay for a beej or asking her to strip and dance or asking her to take nude photos at a strip mall but he forgot the consent forms at home?

Also, since the guy is a diddler, does it now become OK that he was being shocked?


Yes.

/c.f. Larry Nassar
 
2018-03-07 09:19:54 AM  
Why was this guy trying to get the Judge recused?  Was it just a dick move or was there an actual conflict of interest.  This is never answered and should be listed under his filings for recusal of the judge and defense attny.

I'm usually the first guy to pile on the "burn the judges and cops" bandwagon and this judge was definitely way the fark out of line, but this accused definitely does sound like problem child.  Use the belts to keep these guys from being violent, not to coerce a response out of them.  If you want them to speak then just slap them with more time in the hole to cool off at 6 months at a time and see if they are more talkative when they come out.  No need to light em up.

If this shiat ends up in front of the supreme court then my butt will pucker, legalized torture of civilians in civy court, thats coming.  Just a matter of time.
 
2018-03-07 09:21:25 AM  
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The longer he holds out on a confession, the more his interogation bill is going to be.
 
2018-03-07 09:24:01 AM  
FTFA: Morris's trial defense attorney, Bill Ray, told Texas Lawyer he didn't object to use of stun belt during trial because his client was acting "like a loaded cannon ready to go off."

Standing here like a loaded gun
Waiting to go off
I've got nothing to do but 
Shoot my mouth off

Gimme gimme gimme
 
2018-03-07 09:30:24 AM  
The stun belt can also be very painful. When Montgomery County, Md., purchased three of the devices in 1998, a sheriff's sergeant who was jolted as part of his training described the feeling to The Washington Post like this: "If you had nine-inch nails and you tried to rip my sides out and then you put a heat lamp on me."

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2018-03-07 09:33:18 AM  

RminusQ: CivicMindedFive: The guy deserves a new trial and the judge needs to be sanctioned or removed, but unlike the rest of fark, I'm not crying over it or really care about the defendant.

https://www.texastribune.org/library/d​ata/texas-prisons/inmates/terry-lee-mo​rris/917832/

Just to be clear, you are citing as evidence for "fark this defendant" the conviction on "EMPLOY/INDUCE CHILD U/18 SEX P" that TFA says is being vacated because the judge is a torturing sack of shiat.


The two prior convictions for cause bodily injury to a child which given their 12 year sentences was more like beat the shiat out of a child rather than spanking in public.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2018-03-07 09:42:59 AM  
DarkVader

I was looking in the appeals court decision for the line that said the case should be reassigned to a different judge, and was slightly surprised not to find it.
 
2018-03-07 09:49:22 AM  

orclover: Why was this guy trying to get the Judge recused?  Was it just a dick move or was there an actual conflict of interest.  This is never answered and should be listed under his filings for recusal of the judge and defense attny.

I'm usually the first guy to pile on the "burn the judges and cops" bandwagon and this judge was definitely way the fark out of line, but this accused definitely does sound like problem child.  Use the belts to keep these guys from being violent, not to coerce a response out of them.  If you want them to speak then just slap them with more time in the hole to cool off at 6 months at a time and see if they are more talkative when they come out.  No need to light em up.

If this shiat ends up in front of the supreme court then my butt will pucker, legalized torture of civilians in civy court, thats coming.  Just a matter of time.


Well, there isn't any indication immediately apparent as to why a recusal was initially requested, but given the judge's behavior it's incredibly obvious that it very likely had considerable merit.

And I'm not sure why you think the defendant sounds like a "problem child" here.  The defendant's tone of voice isn't preserved in the transcript from the decision, but the words used certainly sound like civil discourse, not "outbursts" as the judge attempted to classify them.  The defendant may or may not be correct as to applicable law, but his statements sound much more coherent than a typical sovereign citizen type of defendant.

And your concept that it's somehow acceptable to order solitary confinement for six months at a time instead of the shock belt is still advocating torture that may be even more likely to cause physical and mental health damage to a defendant who is presumed innocent.  It's no less objectionable.

I don't share your pessimism on the SCOTUS's reaction.  I can't even see Thomas finding this acceptable, at worst I think a ruling from them might be 6-3, mostly because Gorsuck is still something of an unknown and it might turn on Alito and/or Roberts.  But realistically I think they'd be 9-0, note that this was a Texas appeals court and they were 3-0, no dissenting opinion.
 
2018-03-07 10:03:44 AM  

pueblonative: And exactly why isn't this f*cker in the can serving Buck Rogers time?

Morris's trial defense attorney, Bill Ray, told Texas Lawyer he didn't object to use of stun belt during trial because his client was acting "like a loaded canon ready to go off." He also claimed he did not believe Morris was really being shocked.

And this guy alongside him for gross malpractice.


This.  The judge and the guard (or whoever) that administered the torture.  Both should be arrested and charged with assault/torture.
 
2018-03-07 10:07:48 AM  

ZAZ: DarkVader

I was looking in the appeals court decision for the line that said the case should be reassigned to a different judge, and was slightly surprised not to find it.


Sadly, I'm not surprised.  I mean, I certainly didn't expect to find the appropriate order removing the judge from the bench and disbarring him, and I certainly didn't expect the appeals court to refer him for appropriate prosecution for assault, but those things essentially never happen.  But the removal of this judge from this case wasn't at issue in this appeal, it would be unusual for the appeals court to rule on it at all.  So, no surprise that it's not in the order.
 
2018-03-07 10:09:56 AM  

Ker_Thwap: hashtag.acronym: Ok, so I went to RTFA and saw this "2014 trial on charges of soliciting sexual performance from a 15-year-old girl".  Is "soliciting sexual performance" trying to pay for a beej or asking her to strip and dance or asking her to take nude photos at a strip mall but he forgot the consent forms at home?

Also, since the guy is a diddler, does it now become OK that he was being shocked?

Now we'll never know if he was a pedocreep, because the asshole judge just let him walk free.


Conviction was overturned and sent back for retrial.  We may yet find out, if the prosecutor decides to retry the guy, which he will, being Texas and all.
 
2018-03-07 10:14:43 AM  
None of this would have happened if the defendant had been in Alabama.
 
2018-03-07 10:20:11 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: pueblonative: He also claimed he did not believe Morris was really being shocked.

Lawyer:Yeah, so they put this shock belt on him, right?  And then the judge told the bailiff to shock him.  And, then the bailiff pushes a button that's hooked up to the shock thingy.  Then my client starts twitching and he's all "ERGH ERGH OHG OHG OHG!" and stuff.  How the hell was I supposed to know he was getting shocked for real?


That's the TX defense bar right there in a nutshell.   If I ran the world, any appeal based on "ineffective assistance of counsel" would go like this:   "Was the Trial in Texas?  GRANTED"
 
2018-03-07 10:20:29 AM  

Trucker: None of this would have happened if the defendant had been in Alabama.


He would not be a "defendant" in Alabama, he would be "Supreme Court candidate" or "overwhelming choice for US Senate among whites".
 
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