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(The New York Times)   Nader represented UAE's Crown Prince at that shady meeting with Erik Prince and Putin's fund manager. Nader's cooperating with Mueller, which is better than all that biatching about cars he used to do   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2018-03-06 11:56:10 PM  
"Mr. Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman who advises Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al-Nahyan, the effective ruler of the Emirates, also attended a January 2017 meeting in the Seychelles that Mr. Mueller's investigators have examined. The meeting, convened by the crown prince, brought together a Russian investor close to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia with Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater and an informal adviser to Mr. Trump's team during the presidential transition, according to three people familiar with the meeting. "
 
2018-03-07 03:21:56 AM  
Where does this fit into the whole Qatar blockade timeline?
 
2018-03-07 05:10:25 AM  
Not Ralph Nader, subby. 
This guy:
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2018-03-07 06:03:39 AM  
Collusion: Unsafe at any speed.
 
2018-03-07 06:05:53 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Where does this fit into the whole Qatar blockade timeline?


all around it.  It looks like UAE paid part of Russia's bill to get Trump elected, Kushner asked Qatar to front him the money to rescue his business, then Trump incited the UAE blockade on Qatar.  I initially thought, when it all happened, that Trump was just too stupid to understand that Qatar is our *ally*, and then I thought, maybe he just didn't even care if they were or not, but now we seem to be reaching the knowledge that Trump was paid for by the UAE, and so it wasn't just the UAE taking advantage of his stupidity, they were paying him off.
 
2018-03-07 06:09:04 AM  

JulieAzel626: Collusion: Unsafe at any speed.


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2018-03-07 06:34:42 AM  
did you notice the little blurb about the mooch towards the end? is there anyone affiliated with this administration who isn't dirty?
 
2018-03-07 06:37:49 AM  

thorpe: "Mr. Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman who advises Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al-Nahyan, the effective ruler of the Emirates, also attended a January 2017 meeting in the Seychelles that Mr. Mueller's investigators have examined. The meeting, convened by the crown prince, brought together a Russian investor close to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia with Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater and an informal adviser to Mr. Trump's team during the presidential transition, according to three people familiar with the meeting. "


darth sunshine: did you notice the little blurb about the mooch towards the end? is there anyone affiliated with this administration who isn't dirty?


It is just one unholy alliance after another.
 
2018-03-07 06:42:16 AM  

Lady J: thorpe: "Mr. Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman who advises Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al-Nahyan, the effective ruler of the Emirates, also attended a January 2017 meeting in the Seychelles that Mr. Mueller's investigators have examined. The meeting, convened by the crown prince, brought together a Russian investor close to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia with Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater and an informal adviser to Mr. Trump's team during the presidential transition, according to three people familiar with the meeting. "

darth sunshine: did you notice the little blurb about the mooch towards the end? is there anyone affiliated with this administration who isn't dirty?

It is just one unholy alliance after another.


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2018-03-07 07:18:23 AM  
All of these poisonings Putin will have to do must be turning into a logistical nightmare.
 
2018-03-07 07:22:05 AM  
Let's not forget the Erik Prince is Betsy DeVos's brother.

Families, families, families. The USA is an aristocracy.
 
2018-03-07 07:30:52 AM  

ansius: Let's not forget the Erik Prince is Betsy DeVos's brother.

Families, families, families. The USA is an aristocracy.


Funny how that's worked out...

/brit
 
2018-03-07 07:36:36 AM  
FTFA: "Mr. Nader represented the crown prince in the three-way conversation in the Seychelles, at a hotel overlooking in the Indian Ocean, in the days before Mr. Trump took office. At the meeting, Emirati officials believed Mr. Prince was speaking for the Trump transition team, and a Russian fund manager, Kirill Dmitriev, represented Mr. Putin, according to several people familiar with the meeting. Mr. Nader, who grew close later to several advisers in the Trump White House, had once worked as a consultant to Blackwater, a private security firm now known as Academi. Mr. Nader introduced his former employer to the Russian."

So the former Blackwater employee who introduced Prince as a rep of the Trump administration to his new Arab bosses for illegal cash transfers ... has spilled all to Muller

1. Prince is now under the perjury flag, he will never return to the US unless extradited (he lives in UAE permanently if I'm not mistaken)

2. Betsy DeVos should be removed immediately from the cabinet, it's obvious her only role there is to funnel intel between Trump and her brother.

3. BOOM! This is probably the second biggest discovery out of the investigations (after drunk Papadope blabbing about his Russian campaign help)
 
2018-03-07 07:41:25 AM  
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FTFA: "Mr. Nader was first served with search warrants and a grand jury subpoena on Jan. 17, shortly after landing at Washington Dulles International Airport, according to two people familiar with the episode. He had intended to travel on to Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump's Florida estate, to celebrate the president's first year in office, but the F.B.I. had other plans, questioning him for more than two hours and seizing his electronics."

Unexpected FBI In Accounts!
 
2018-03-07 07:43:31 AM  

ansius: Let's not forget the Erik Prince is Betsy DeVos's brother.

Families, families, families. The USA is an aristocracy.


rachel did a nice connect the dots thing last night on following the money and mentioned a several hundred million dollar miltary contract was awarded to to a person connected to Erik Prince.  Didn't elaborate, was more interested in the flow of money from nadar/UAE to the Trump campaign/organization.
 
2018-03-07 07:50:44 AM  
This shiat is wack!
 
2018-03-07 07:53:29 AM  
This seems like one of those big farking deal things.
 
2018-03-07 08:02:31 AM  

The Drawing Board: This seems like one of those big farking deal things.


It's an unimaginable scandal and yet...
 
2018-03-07 08:03:23 AM  
A Ralph Nader joke? This is the worst headline on the worst timeline.
 
2018-03-07 08:06:51 AM  
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Now we see why is was so important for Kushner to finally lose his security clearance last week.
 
2018-03-07 08:09:16 AM  

The Drawing Board: This seems like one of those big farking deal things.


it's a huge f*cking deal. This dude has the inside scoop on the nuclear SA deal, the embargo, Kushner, Erik Prince.

it's disappointing this did not get the news tag or took a dozen+ red lights before they went with this terrible headline for what is probably one of the biggest stories in the Mueller investigation to date. This is on par with Flynn flipping
 
2018-03-07 08:14:06 AM  
While we're at it, Seth Abramson has been on top of this forever. 100+ tweet storms are annoying, but there's really no better analysis out there

https://twitter.com/sethabramson
 
2018-03-07 08:15:04 AM  
From Seth Abramson the other day, were the recent surprise and poorly planned aluminum tariffs meant to pay off Prince and his UAE buddies with some insider trading deals:
"Prince testified to Congress he talked aluminum with the UAE on a secret trip to the Seychelles during which we know he was acting as a Trump envoy-on the same trip he met an RDIF Russian who naturally would've wanted to talk aluminum with Prince also. Now we have a surprise aluminum tariff."
 
2018-03-07 08:15:33 AM  

ansius: Let's not forget the Erik Prince is Betsy DeVos's brother.

Families, families, families. The USA is an aristocracy.


The word you are looking for is kakistocracy.
 
2018-03-07 08:18:34 AM  
 
2018-03-07 08:26:36 AM  
1.  It's stunning how much corruption this misadministration had been able to engage in, so quickly.
2.  On the other hand, they've seemed to be able to implicate nearly every liberal Boogeyman with actionable criminal evidence, so maybe this is a needed political immunization.
 
2018-03-07 08:41:22 AM  

Skleenar: 1.  It's stunning how much corruption this misadministration had been able to engage in, so quickly.
2.  On the other hand, they've seemed to be able to implicate nearly every liberal Boogeyman with actionable criminal evidence, so maybe this is a needed political immunization.


the flow charts mueller must have trying to keep all this straight must be quite impressive.  what I find impressive is these people just continue with their corrupt practices as if everything is normal and aren't being investigated.  You would think they would say, hey, they're on to us, let's cool things off for a bit.  They're nope, let's continue with the plan, they'll never connect the dots.
 
2018-03-07 08:43:01 AM  

somedude210: The Drawing Board: This seems like one of those big farking deal things.

it's a huge f*cking deal. This dude has the inside scoop on the nuclear SA deal, the embargo, Kushner, Erik Prince.

it's disappointing this did not get the news tag or took a dozen+ red lights before they went with this terrible headline for what is probably one of the biggest stories in the Mueller investigation to date. This is on par with Flynn flipping


Not only is he cooperating but has been giving testimony in front of a grand jury. It's huge. And like you said, I can't believe it got greened when most of the US is asleep.
 
2018-03-07 08:51:10 AM  

ansius: Let's not forget the Erik Prince is Betsy DeVos's brother.

Families, families, families. The USA is an aristocracy.


It would be kind of nice to see her get dragged into this mess too...the 64K question is, who isn't going to jail?
 
2018-03-07 09:00:24 AM  

darth sunshine: Skleenar: 1.  It's stunning how much corruption this misadministration had been able to engage in, so quickly.
2.  On the other hand, they've seemed to be able to implicate nearly every liberal Boogeyman with actionable criminal evidence, so maybe this is a needed political immunization.

the flow charts mueller must have trying to keep all this straight must be quite impressive.  what I find impressive is these people just continue with their corrupt practices as if everything is normal and aren't being investigated.  You would think they would say, hey, they're on to us, let's cool things off for a bit.  They're nope, let's continue with the plan, they'll never connect the dots.


I think these people are honestly stupid enough to think other crimes that are uncovered during an investigation cannot be investigated.
 
2018-03-07 09:03:11 AM  
Who gave GRRM permission to write the script for this timeline?
 
2018-03-07 09:03:50 AM  

darth sunshine: Skleenar: 1.  It's stunning how much corruption this misadministration had been able to engage in, so quickly.
2.  On the other hand, they've seemed to be able to implicate nearly every liberal Boogeyman with actionable criminal evidence, so maybe this is a needed political immunization.

the flow charts mueller must have trying to keep all this straight must be quite impressive.  what I find impressive is these people just continue with their corrupt practices as if everything is normal and aren't being investigated.  You would think they would say, hey, they're on to us, let's cool things off for a bit.  They're nope, let's continue with the plan, they'll never connect the dots.


Many of them have never faced real consequences for anything, ever.  If you've never been punished for anything, never had to sacrifice, you'll just believe the soothing noises your lawyers are getting $4K an hour to whisper in your ear.
 
2018-03-07 09:05:30 AM  

darth sunshine: Skleenar: 1.  It's stunning how much corruption this misadministration had been able to engage in, so quickly.
2.  On the other hand, they've seemed to be able to implicate nearly every liberal Boogeyman with actionable criminal evidence, so maybe this is a needed political immunization.

the flow charts mueller must have trying to keep all this straight must be quite impressive.  what I find impressive is these people just continue with their corrupt practices as if everything is normal and aren't being investigated.  You would think they would say, hey, they're on to us, let's cool things off for a bit.  They're nope, let's continue with the plan, they'll never connect the dots.


It's because a rational person would be able to gauge risk-vs.-reward properly. I think once you've 'won' at committing crimes on these levels and for as long as they have, there's a sense that risk does not continue to trend upward or accumulate as they continue on their way. "I've gotten away with it this long, why would that change?" is a dangerous mindset to get into and leads to hubris and sloppiness.

Look at the people in the White House and Congress; these are people who have lived their lives on a simple trajectory of telling just enough lies, greasing just enough palms, and accumulating a supporting infrastructure that facilitates and feeds off their greed. There's just enough stagecraft and procedural handwaving to keep things going, relying on the Deep State to keep the lights on and the country trundling forward.

However, that's starting to shatter in interesting ways. We'd get glimpses before, but now we're seeing sitting politicians ranting openly at their constituents and threatening to have them arrested, former nominees for President getting taken behind the woodshed by survivors of a madman attack, and obliquely hampering investigations.

The grift isn't over, it's just that the body politic has decided to shake off the largest ticks.
 
2018-03-07 09:08:30 AM  

darth sunshine: Skleenar: 1.  It's stunning how much corruption this misadministration had been able to engage in, so quickly.
2.  On the other hand, they've seemed to be able to implicate nearly every liberal Boogeyman with actionable criminal evidence, so maybe this is a needed political immunization.

the flow charts mueller must have trying to keep all this straight must be quite impressive.  what I find impressive is these people just continue with their corrupt practices as if everything is normal and aren't being investigated.  You would think they would say, hey, they're on to us, let's cool things off for a bit.  They're nope, let's continue with the plan, they'll never connect the dots.


I'm impressed with all of the ground Mueller's team is covering.  The staff should be three times larger.

I think b/c this administration is comprised of people always doing what they want and then throwing money at problems to make them go away that they don't know how else to act.  It's ingrained in them.
 
2018-03-07 09:19:39 AM  

You Bet Your Ass: darth sunshine: Skleenar: 1.  It's stunning how much corruption this misadministration had been able to engage in, so quickly.
2.  On the other hand, they've seemed to be able to implicate nearly every liberal Boogeyman with actionable criminal evidence, so maybe this is a needed political immunization.

the flow charts mueller must have trying to keep all this straight must be quite impressive.  what I find impressive is these people just continue with their corrupt practices as if everything is normal and aren't being investigated.  You would think they would say, hey, they're on to us, let's cool things off for a bit.  They're nope, let's continue with the plan, they'll never connect the dots.

I'm impressed with all of the ground Mueller's team is covering.  The staff should be three times larger.

I think b/c this administration is comprised of people always doing what they want and then throwing money at problems to make them go away that they don't know how else to act.  It's ingrained in them.


Exactly, there's a learned behavior of immunity from consequence, that they will always be winning and able to have a fixer handle thing, and in the process of becoming part of the leadership of this country, they felt that their immunity would only get greater and nobody would want to challenge them.

The problem is similar to how Pharma Bro got UFIA'd: You can get away with anything as long as you impress the ones you're committing crimes against. The second it becomes intolerable or annoying is when you begin to fall. With the current administration, they stopped doing The Job of running the country forward and grifting on the side and moved towards a haphazard arrangement of grifting overtly, scrawling legislation on the bathroom walls, and enhancing external threats to the nation.

If Trump was to just phone it in, keep things on an even keel for the most part, nobody would have given two runny shiats that the Russians were balls-deep in our election and social media. We'd be too busy just making fun of his hair instead of wondering if the Economy's going to go foom before Best Korea opts to launch something.
 
2018-03-07 09:26:07 AM  

wood0366: You Bet Your Ass: darth sunshine: Skleenar: 1.  It's stunning how much corruption this misadministration had been able to engage in, so quickly.
2.  On the other hand, they've seemed to be able to implicate nearly every liberal Boogeyman with actionable criminal evidence, so maybe this is a needed political immunization.

the flow charts mueller must have trying to keep all this straight must be quite impressive.  what I find impressive is these people just continue with their corrupt practices as if everything is normal and aren't being investigated.  You would think they would say, hey, they're on to us, let's cool things off for a bit.  They're nope, let's continue with the plan, they'll never connect the dots.

I'm impressed with all of the ground Mueller's team is covering.  The staff should be three times larger.

I think b/c this administration is comprised of people always doing what they want and then throwing money at problems to make them go away that they don't know how else to act.  It's ingrained in them.

Exactly, there's a learned behavior of immunity from consequence, that they will always be winning and able to have a fixer handle thing, and in the process of becoming part of the leadership of this country, they felt that their immunity would only get greater and nobody would want to challenge them.

The problem is similar to how Pharma Bro got UFIA'd: You can get away with anything as long as you impress the ones you're committing crimes against. The second it becomes intolerable or annoying is when you begin to fall. With the current administration, they stopped doing The Job of running the country forward and grifting on the side and moved towards a haphazard arrangement of grifting overtly, scrawling legislation on the bathroom walls, and enhancing external threats to the nation.

If Trump was to just phone it in, keep things on an even keel for the most part, nobody would have given two runny shiats that the Russians were balls-deep in our ele ...


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2018-03-07 09:31:08 AM  
At this point it's worth remembering Prince's involvement along with Guiliani to manipulate Comey in to that October surprise. Abramson  wrote about it a year ago
 
2018-03-07 09:31:28 AM  

darth sunshine: Like this guy?


Oddly enough, that's what Manafort, Stone, and the choir of Trump's Lawyers generally were for; to fix and arrange things. They're the casters for sliding the 'rich' and 'powerful' along, keeping the world at a distance and reinforcing their egotistic feeling of invulnerability.

As their employers went up, they went up as well.
 
2018-03-07 09:34:41 AM  
 darth sunshine: Like this guy?

Why was the Wolf in a tux at 7:00 AM?
 
2018-03-07 09:37:43 AM  

mab1823: darth sunshine: Like this guy?

Why was the Wolf in a tux at 7:00 AM?


That's the sort of question someone who doesn't get it would ask.
 
2018-03-07 09:39:38 AM  

ekdikeo4: Farking Clown Shoes: Where does this fit into the whole Qatar blockade timeline?

all around it.  It looks like UAE paid part of Russia's bill to get Trump elected, Kushner asked Qatar to front him the money to rescue his business, then Trump incited the UAE blockade on Qatar.  I initially thought, when it all happened, that Trump was just too stupid to understand that Qatar is our *ally*, and then I thought, maybe he just didn't even care if they were or not, but now we seem to be reaching the knowledge that Trump was paid for by the UAE, and so it wasn't just the UAE taking advantage of his stupidity, they were paying him off.


Close Qatar was the one who was supposed to front money to Kushner/Trump (because they purchased a 19.5% stake in Rosneft, oh hey where have I heard about that before?) When they tried to back out of the deal it appears Kush provoked an international incident in coordination with the UAE Saudi Arabia and Russia.
 
2018-03-07 09:42:11 AM  

Nied: ekdikeo4: Farking Clown Shoes: Where does this fit into the whole Qatar blockade timeline?

all around it.  It looks like UAE paid part of Russia's bill to get Trump elected, Kushner asked Qatar to front him the money to rescue his business, then Trump incited the UAE blockade on Qatar.  I initially thought, when it all happened, that Trump was just too stupid to understand that Qatar is our *ally*, and then I thought, maybe he just didn't even care if they were or not, but now we seem to be reaching the knowledge that Trump was paid for by the UAE, and so it wasn't just the UAE taking advantage of his stupidity, they were paying him off.

Close Qatar was the one who was supposed to front money to Kushner/Trump (because they purchased a 19.5% stake in Rosneft, oh hey where have I heard about that before?) When they tried to back out of the deal it appears Kush provoked an international incident in coordination with the UAE Saudi Arabia and Russia to punish Qatar.


FTFM
 
2018-03-07 09:43:42 AM  

Skleenar: mab1823: darth sunshine: Like this guy?

Why was the Wolf in a tux at 7:00 AM?

That's the sort of question someone who doesn't get it would ask.


Why do you think Wolf was in a tux at 7 AM?
 
2018-03-07 09:45:32 AM  

wood0366: Skleenar: mab1823: darth sunshine: Like this guy?

Why was the Wolf in a tux at 7:00 AM?

That's the sort of question someone who doesn't get it would ask.

Why do you think Wolf was in a tux at 7 AM?


This is getting embarrassing for you guys.  Don't betray your 'out of the loop' status any more.

Gotta split.  Got a black tie event to get to.
 
2018-03-07 09:48:18 AM  
Honestly I'm surprised this isn't bigger news, this guy ties together several different threads of the Russia story and he's been a cooperating witness with Mueller for months now.  I guess folks will get it when the indictments come down.
 
2018-03-07 09:51:19 AM  

Nied: Honestly I'm surprised this isn't bigger news, this guy ties together several different threads of the Russia story and he's been a cooperating witness with Mueller for months now.  I guess folks will get it when the indictments come down.


I know.  I was stunned when I read it, but it's kind of only raised a small ripple.

But then again, Trump is kind of running the Gish Gallop of corruption, so it's hard to predict what particular story is going to raise up above the rest.
 
2018-03-07 10:15:10 AM  

Lady J: thorpe: "Mr. Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman who advises Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al-Nahyan, the effective ruler of the Emirates, also attended a January 2017 meeting in the Seychelles that Mr. Mueller's investigators have examined. The meeting, convened by the crown prince, brought together a Russian investor close to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia with Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater and an informal adviser to Mr. Trump's team during the presidential transition, according to three people familiar with the meeting. "

darth sunshine: did you notice the little blurb about the mooch towards the end? is there anyone affiliated with this administration who isn't dirty?

It is just one unholy alliance after another.


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I'm old, let me play you the music of my people.
 
2018-03-07 11:04:26 AM  

darth sunshine: Skleenar: 1.  It's stunning how much corruption this misadministration had been able to engage in, so quickly.
2.  On the other hand, they've seemed to be able to implicate nearly every liberal Boogeyman with actionable criminal evidence, so maybe this is a needed political immunization.

the flow charts mueller must have trying to keep all this straight must be quite impressive.  what I find impressive is these people just continue with their corrupt practices as if everything is normal and aren't being investigated.  You would think they would say, hey, they're on to us, let's cool things off for a bit.  They're nope, let's continue with the plan, they'll never connect the dots.


Russia runs war crimes hedge funds and wants sanctions lifted for nuclear and aluminum deals. They aid and pay Trump for this.

UAE wants Russian nuclear tech and has big investments in Russian war crimes hedge funds and aluminum. They facilitate Russian aid and pay Trump for this.

Trump minimizes Russian sanctions, places UAE economic and political priorities ahead of the rest of the region, and creates a crazy aluminum tariff that benefits stockpiles like UAE and Russia but hurts our major allies. Trump representatives planned all this during the campaign and transition: Papdope meets with UAE and Russian reps in Greece, Don Jr meets with Russians at Trump tower, Kushner meets with Russians and UAE everywhere, Flynn meets with Russians and UAE everywhere, Prince meets with UAE and Russians in Seychelles.
 
2018-03-07 11:07:27 AM  
Did Jared ask if he was safe at any speed?
 
2018-03-07 11:10:09 AM  

darth sunshine: did you notice the little blurb about the mooch towards the end? is there anyone affiliated with this administration who isn't dirty?


No. That should be pretty clear by now.
 
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