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(Krebs On Security)   Your Steam account probably has better account security than your bank   ( krebsonsecurity.com) divider line
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1139 clicks; posted to Geek » on 06 Mar 2018 at 6:35 PM (19 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2018-03-06 05:40:00 PM  
Oddly, I'm also less likely to be called a b*tch when I'm on Steam than when I'm at my bank.
 
2018-03-06 05:43:08 PM  
Steam's security is better than most applications on my phone, including my bank's. Want to sell anything on the marketplace? Better be ready to fire up the app and approve each one.

It's annoying, but a good thing.
 
2018-03-06 05:46:14 PM  
That's why I cornered the market on Bill's Hat early on. An easy, safe, and reliable way to store my money.
 
2018-03-06 05:52:41 PM  
If you bank with Wells Fargo, your Steam account definitely has better security than your bank account, even if you don't have a Steam account.
 
2018-03-06 05:57:04 PM  
This is no surprise to me. Steam sent me several notices last month when someone was trying to get into my account - including their IP addresses (or, you know, their seventh proxy).
 
2018-03-06 06:09:40 PM  
Steam asks to confirm my email address EVERY SINGLE F*CKING TIME I OPEN IT.

I did it for awhile, now I just close it and tell it to f*ck off.

It's detracting from valuable Skyrim time.
 
2018-03-06 06:21:25 PM  

King Something: If you bank with Wells Fargo, your Steam account definitely has better security than your bank account, even if you don't have a Steam account.


How else will WF sign you up for stuff you don't want?
 
2018-03-06 06:27:19 PM  
Steam has pretty good security so they're probably better than MOST online services.
My credit union's phone app is absolute crap. But it's a relatively small CU so I can't expect top dollar stuff.

Now, shall we talk about Treasury Direct?
You have to authorize every new device from which you login via 2FA (a good thing).
When you get to the point where you put your PASSWORD in, you cannot type it into a box (nor, by extension, copy/paste from your password manager.) You have to literally click on-screen GUI buttons that correspond with the characters of your password.
It's not case sensitive.

fark you, TD.
 
2018-03-06 06:32:58 PM  

NateAsbestos: Steam has pretty good security so they're probably better than MOST online services.
My credit union's phone app is absolute crap. But it's a relatively small CU so I can't expect top dollar stuff.

Now, shall we talk about Treasury Direct?
You have to authorize every new device from which you login via 2FA (a good thing).
When you get to the point where you put your PASSWORD in, you cannot type it into a box (nor, by extension, copy/paste from your password manager.) You have to literally click on-screen GUI buttons that correspond with the characters of your password.
It's not case sensitive.

fark you, TD.


Yeah, that TD interface is terrible. And I've had several occasions where I've been kicked out and locked out in the middle of a session. So I've adjusted my security to give them a FU when I have to call and ask for a reset.
 
2018-03-06 06:34:40 PM  

Rev.K: Steam asks to confirm my email address EVERY SINGLE F*CKING TIME I OPEN IT.

I did it for awhile, now I just close it and tell it to f*ck off.

It's detracting from valuable Skyrim time.


Yeah, mine did that too for a while, even though I'd already verified it. Stopped asking recently. I sure don't miss that green pop-up bar, that's for sure.
 
2018-03-06 06:41:02 PM  
Most of the banks I'm familiar with require multi-factor identification and at least quarterly password changes.
 
2018-03-06 06:50:30 PM  
If you really want Tropico: Pirates Cove that bad, I'll just buy it for you.

Arrr.
 
2018-03-06 07:02:32 PM  

TravelingFreakshow: If you really want Tropico: Pirates Cove that bad, I'll just buy it for you.

Arrr.


The Tropico games are wonderful.
 
2018-03-06 07:16:18 PM  
TD-Bank just this past month decided phone codes are a good thing to be able to sign into online banking..  Before that, you could log in anywhere with a password and occasionally have to ask a secret question. Now they require you submit a phone code for every login.
 
2018-03-06 07:26:52 PM  

naughtyrev: Oddly, I'm also less likely to be called a b*tch when I'm on Steam than when I'm at my bank.


If you'd stop trying to cash out certificates of deposit 6 months early it wouldn't happen!

And don't get me started about the last time you were in here clamoring for a reverse mortgage.
 
2018-03-06 07:32:09 PM  

NateAsbestos: TravelingFreakshow: If you really want Tropico: Pirates Cove that bad, I'll just buy it for you.

Arrr.

The Tropico games are wonderful.


Surviving Mars very, very, very soon :D
 
2018-03-06 07:34:11 PM  
Perhaps, steam bugs me to set up 2FA whenever I log in but the few times I've tried it it didn't work. If someone wants to log in and buy me games, I guess they can feel free.

My Blizzard account though is on lock down! I don't even trust the phone authenticator. I have an old fashioned LCD keyfob one that sits on my desk.
 
2018-03-06 07:50:48 PM  
I wouldn't doubt it. Logging into Steam from a computer that isn't your usual one requires Email/SMS codes, the last 4 digits of your social security number, a long-form birth certificate, and your mother's maiden name.

/I may have exaggerated some
//but it is nice to know that they're on top of network security
 
2018-03-06 07:54:12 PM  
You also probably have more money in loot boxes and games bought, than money in your bank account.  I fear how much I have spent on steam over the years.
 
2018-03-06 07:55:00 PM  
Until they glitch out and have logins route to completely different accounts like what happened a few years ago (2011 if I remember correctly).
 
2018-03-06 08:06:18 PM  
That explains why when I deposit a check or transfer money it requires 5 business days before it's available- a team of gnomes from Zurich are checking everything a hundred times over for fraud.
 
2018-03-06 08:24:52 PM  
I also have more in value of games on my Steam account than I have in money in my bank account.
 
2018-03-06 08:28:01 PM  
I should hope so, I have way more money invested in Steam games than I do saved in the bank.
 
2018-03-06 09:01:07 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Most of the banks I'm familiar with require multi-factor identification and at least quarterly password changes.


Multi factor being a password and secret questions?

Because that isn't 2 factor authentication.
 
2018-03-06 09:10:27 PM  

NateAsbestos: The Tropico games are wonderful.


6 is on the way, at first I thought 5 was worse than 4 but have come to enjoy it the most, as it provides the most challenge. All up to that point made it exceptionally easy to get a runaway economic train rolling too easily. 5 makes you earn it. I still fire up the original on GOG from time to time, it still easily holds up.

/playing it right now
 
2018-03-06 09:16:38 PM  

Cheeseface: NateAsbestos: The Tropico games are wonderful.

6 is on the way, at first I thought 5 was worse than 4 but have come to enjoy it the most, as it provides the most challenge. All up to that point made it exceptionally easy to get a runaway economic train rolling too easily. 5 makes you earn it. I still fire up the original on GOG from time to time, it still easily holds up.

/playing it right now


I was killing it in Tropico 5 until I got to the Cold War era.  Now everyone is revolting and I don't have any money for squat.  Not sure what I did wrong.

Love it
 
2018-03-06 09:17:03 PM  
IIRC, when Steam was penetrated a few years back and user passwords were in the cache, the passwords at least were hashed and salted.  Put them a few runs up on anybody else that was hacked,
 
2018-03-06 09:40:13 PM  

American-Irish eyes: You also probably have more money in loot boxes and games bought, than money in your bank account.  I fear how much I have spent on steam over the years.


This. My Steam account has more money in it than my checking. It better have better security.
 
2018-03-06 09:42:34 PM  

Gubbo: Voiceofreason01: Most of the banks I'm familiar with require multi-factor identification and at least quarterly password changes.

Multi factor being a password and secret questions?

Because that isn't 2 factor authentication.


Multifactor being a phone call, text or email.
 
2018-03-06 10:02:23 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Gubbo: Voiceofreason01: Most of the banks I'm familiar with require multi-factor identification and at least quarterly password changes.

Multi factor being a password and secret questions?

Because that isn't 2 factor authentication.

Multifactor being a phone call, text or email.


We have a different experience then. I've found that most banks are more than happy with a password and security questions.
 
2018-03-07 12:08:31 AM  
I wish my bank had the 2 factor authentication.  Then maybe I could dispose of the security questions I can never remember the answers to.  So much safer and easier to verify with a confirmation code from your phone.
 
2018-03-07 01:25:08 AM  

Spindle: Cheeseface: NateAsbestos: The Tropico games are wonderful.

6 is on the way, at first I thought 5 was worse than 4 but have come to enjoy it the most, as it provides the most challenge. All up to that point made it exceptionally easy to get a runaway economic train rolling too easily. 5 makes you earn it. I still fire up the original on GOG from time to time, it still easily holds up.

/playing it right now

I was killing it in Tropico 5 until I got to the Cold War era.  Now everyone is revolting and I don't have any money for squat.  Not sure what I did wrong.

Love it


You said it, they stink on ice!
 
2018-03-07 01:48:15 AM  
Depends on the bank. Most banks? yes.
 
2018-03-07 01:53:32 AM  
Suntrust doesn't even support cased passwords. Put password in uppercase, lowercase, or a mixture of cases and it doesn't care. It'll authenticate them all.

Charles.
 
2018-03-07 10:34:51 AM  
I've said this for years. If banks want to know how to handle account security, talk to folks like Blizzard. The authenticators are the same code generators as a lot of banks use themselves.
 
2018-03-07 04:48:11 PM  
Download Sysinternal Process Explorer for Windows, fire it up while you logged into Steam, open up the properties dialog for the Steam.exe process and go to the Strings tab. Copy allow of that data into a text editor and do a text search on your user name and/or your password. Still feel safe, you smug little shiat?
 
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