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(Yahoo)   Dolphins Owner: So, when I SAID "my players will all be REQUIRED" to stand for the national anthem, what I MEANT was "I would ENCOURAGE" them to stand because I am concerned that their totally legitimate protest is not as effective as it could be   ( sports.yahoo.com) divider line
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2018-03-07 03:53:28 AM  
Another day, another smile on Ajayi's face.
 
2018-03-07 04:18:41 AM  
(Every player who has taken part in protests, going back to Colin Kaepernick, has said repeatedly that the protests are not against the military or the flag, and a great number of active and retired military members, even those who disagree with the method, have said that they fought for all Americans, like NFL players, to be able to protest peacefully, but some refuse to accept these facts as, well, facts.)

Thank you, Yahoo, for including this parenthetical. The media needs to be more responsible and not just repeat the approved distraction/talking points.
 
2018-03-07 05:37:14 AM  

holdmybones: (Every player who has taken part in protests, going back to Colin Kaepernick, has said repeatedly that the protests are not against the military or the flag, and a great number of active and retired military members, even those who disagree with the method, have said that they fought for all Americans, like NFL players, to be able to protest peacefully, but some refuse to accept these facts as, well, facts.)

Thank you, Yahoo, for including this parenthetical. The media needs to be more responsible and not just repeat the approved distraction/talking points.


 This.

And with everything going on people give a shiat about what football players do during the anthem?

I used to have season tickets to the Broncos and at no point ever did I give a fark about what the players were doing during the national anthem.  I assumed they were all checking their uniforms,  pads,  tape and everything else I'd be worried about if i was about to play in the NFL.
I figured they were worried about getting killed on national television and not about a song.
Go America and all that but part of what makes America great is not having to do things because the government says you have to.  That's what makes America America.
 
2018-03-07 05:41:36 AM  
I still do not get the misplaced focus on this issue. Why are people unable to stop and consider "what issue is serious enough that people are actively protesting", instead of losing their minds over the fact that they ARE protesting? IMHO that's like bystanders complaining about the person yelling :"FIRE" and ignoring the burning building behind him. I figure anytime someone takes the initiative and makes an effort to point out a problem, maybe, just maybe (I know, crazy talk), it might be worth looking into problem.
 
2018-03-07 05:45:23 AM  

TheGrandPooBahofSloth: I still do not get the misplaced focus on this issue. Why are people unable to stop and consider "what issue is serious enough that people are actively protesting", instead of losing their minds over the fact that they ARE protesting? IMHO that's like bystanders complaining about the person yelling :"FIRE" and ignoring the burning building behind him. I figure anytime someone takes the initiative and makes an effort to point out a problem, maybe, just maybe (I know, crazy talk), it might be worth looking into problem.


 It's because republicans.  As someone who has had to stand still during the national anthem and then play sports afterward the players aren't thinking about anything but the game they are about to play.
 
2018-03-07 05:47:20 AM  

orangehat: TheGrandPooBahofSloth: I still do not get the misplaced focus on this issue. Why are people unable to stop and consider "what issue is serious enough that people are actively protesting", instead of losing their minds over the fact that they ARE protesting? IMHO that's like bystanders complaining about the person yelling :"FIRE" and ignoring the burning building behind him. I figure anytime someone takes the initiative and makes an effort to point out a problem, maybe, just maybe (I know, crazy talk), it might be worth looking into problem.

 It's because republicans.  As someone who has had to stand still during the national anthem and then play sports afterward the players aren't thinking about anything but the game they are about to play.


 Don't get me wrong.  I love that song.  I've sang it before sporting events but part of what makes America the greatest country in the world is people taking a stand.  If other people can't handle that then they should get the fark out.
 
2018-03-07 06:05:39 AM  
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2018-03-07 06:16:09 AM  
The outrage is just conveniently disguised racism in 95% of cases, and pure simple mindedness in the other 5%.
 
2018-03-07 07:13:49 AM  

TheGrandPooBahofSloth: I still do not get the misplaced focus on this issue. Why are people unable to stop and consider "what issue is serious enough that people are actively protesting", instead of losing their minds over the fact that they ARE protesting? IMHO that's like bystanders complaining about the person yelling :"FIRE" and ignoring the burning building behind him. I figure anytime someone takes the initiative and makes an effort to point out a problem, maybe, just maybe (I know, crazy talk), it might be worth looking into problem.


It's only misplaced in the minds of Trumpers, who will follow that turd stain off a cliff and take every word he says as gospel. He says they're disrespecting the flag so they run with it full speed.  Everyone else knows why they knelt
 
2018-03-07 07:27:24 AM  

TheGrandPooBahofSloth: I still do not get the misplaced focus on this issue. Why are people unable to stop and consider "what issue is serious enough that people are actively protesting", instead of losing their minds over the fact that they ARE protesting? IMHO that's like bystanders complaining about the person yelling :"FIRE" and ignoring the burning building behind him. I figure anytime someone takes the initiative and makes an effort to point out a problem, maybe, just maybe (I know, crazy talk), it might be worth looking into problem.



Yeah. A pro football player not standing during the anthem. My god, if that kind of dramatic and heroic act doesn't change everything, what kind of world is this?!?
 
2018-03-07 07:34:06 AM  
One should kneel during the Russian national anthem if you really want to piss off the right wing racists.
 
2018-03-07 07:49:55 AM  

doubled99: TheGrandPooBahofSloth: I still do not get the misplaced focus on this issue. Why are people unable to stop and consider "what issue is serious enough that people are actively protesting", instead of losing their minds over the fact that they ARE protesting? IMHO that's like bystanders complaining about the person yelling :"FIRE" and ignoring the burning building behind him. I figure anytime someone takes the initiative and makes an effort to point out a problem, maybe, just maybe (I know, crazy talk), it might be worth looking into problem.


Yeah. A pro football player not standing during the anthem. My god, if that kind of dramatic and heroic act doesn't change everything, what kind of world is this?!?


Instead of protesting this way, they need to protest another way.  They also need to do more in their  communities, unless they are doing more, in which case we can ignore that and go back to insisting that they protest another way.

We've got this one covered!
 
2018-03-07 07:58:41 AM  

doubled99: Yeah. A pro football player not standing during the anthem. My god, if that kind of dramatic and heroic act doesn't change everything, what kind of world is this?!?


And why couldn't she just move to the back of the bus?

Way to miss the point, buddy.
 
2018-03-07 08:06:49 AM  

4471 'cause that's my PIN: doubled99: Yeah. A pro football player not standing during the anthem. My god, if that kind of dramatic and heroic act doesn't change everything, what kind of world is this?!?

And why couldn't she just move to the back of the bus?

??? and then...
Way to miss the point, buddy.

Physician, heal thyself
 
2018-03-07 09:40:31 AM  
People are still talking about this?
 
2018-03-07 10:21:10 AM  
He's got the right to demand this from his players, after all, it's his team and his rules.

The players in turn can eschew signing with Miami or request a trade or their release. The old phrase wish in one hand shiat in the other will apply here.
 
2018-03-07 10:33:35 AM  
I've got a radical solution. Stop playing the anthem before every sporting event. It's pointless. Enforced patriotism is not patriotism.
 
2018-03-07 10:52:10 AM  

Atomic Jonb: People are still talking about this?


This is my feeling. Don't get me wrong here... I am quite sensitive to the issue at hand. (I do parse it, however, in that I think CK is a GD idiot while concurrently respecting the hell out of Eric Reid.) But the question is: Have we solved anything with this method? It's been over a year. What is the ratio of people who have been turned on to the issue versus those turned off?

It's not a partisan/ideological question. It's a very real question that should come into consideration.
 
2018-03-07 10:55:24 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: I've got a radical solution. Stop playing the anthem before every sporting event. It's pointless. Enforced patriotism is not patriotism.


THIS!
 
2018-03-07 10:57:43 AM  

JAGChem82: He's got the right to demand this from his players, after all, it's his team and his rules.

The players in turn can eschew signing with Miami or request a trade or their release. The old phrase wish in one hand shiat in the other will apply here.


doubtful he does.  NFLPA may be the weakest union in pro sports, but it IS a union, and they have a CBA that spells out nearly everything.  The owner can;t freelance
 
2018-03-07 11:00:22 AM  

funk_soul_bubby: Atomic Jonb: People are still talking about this?

This is my feeling. Don't get me wrong here... I am quite sensitive to the issue at hand. (I do parse it, however, in that I think CK is a GD idiot while concurrently respecting the hell out of Eric Reid.) But the question is: Have we solved anything with this method? It's been over a year. What is the ratio of people who have been turned on to the issue versus those turned off?

It's not a partisan/ideological question. It's a very real question that should come into consideration.


There were people upset by school integration, interracial relationships, and the Montgomery bus boycott too.  It doesn't matter what the 'ratio' is because it's an issue that needs addressed in our society.  It needs to keep being addressed regardless of the fact that some people don't like having the discussion.

Progress isn't always pleasant.
 
2018-03-07 11:33:58 AM  

Magorn: doubtful he does. NFLPA may be the weakest union in pro sports, but it IS a union, and they have a CBA that spells out nearly everything. The owner can;t freelance


Correct, only the NBA has a rule that players have to stand for the national anthem
 
2018-03-07 11:38:01 AM  
We should replace the National Anthem before games with Happy or Uptown Funk.
 
2018-03-07 11:54:15 AM  

bighairyguy: We should replace the National Anthem before games with Happy or Uptown Funk.


I can't remember which Farker suggested this but I'm with it 100%.

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2018-03-07 12:23:15 PM  
My father is one of those people that stopped watching the NFL, his favorite sport, because "The Players Hate America And the Military". He couldn't name one protesting player (probably not even CK). He just knows that Fox News told him that, and the fact that what Fox told him is a complete fabrication doesn't matter to him. He's old, and what Fox News says is gospel.

I tried to show actual interviews with players where they point out they have absolutely nothing against The Flag or The Military and explaining what the protest is about but it doesn't matter. Fox doesn even HAVE to show the players saying anything. If Hannity says they're Protesting America without evidence, that trumps actual evidence.
 
2018-03-07 01:29:20 PM  

TheGrandPooBahofSloth: I still do not get the misplaced focus on this issue. Why are people unable to stop and consider "what issue is serious enough that people are actively protesting", instead of losing their minds over the fact that they ARE protesting? IMHO that's like bystanders complaining about the person yelling :"FIRE" and ignoring the burning building behind him. I figure anytime someone takes the initiative and makes an effort to point out a problem, maybe, just maybe (I know, crazy talk), it might be worth looking into problem.


Because all protests with something they don't agree with need to be marginalized, ridiculed, vilified, and squashed. There's no room for discussion of the issues actually being protested, it immediately must turn into an attack on the troops, and those doing it are un-American and evil.  In the end, this was a perfect example of that.  If this type of protest wasn't ok, there isn't a type of protest that would be ok.  Non-violent, non-disruptive, takes no additional resources, and it takes place during a check-the-box ceremony during a frivolous, opulent sporting event.  It didn't affect the game, damaged no property, and hurt no one.

In short, it was the perfect protest.  It reached a massive audience, got everyone talking, and there wasn't so much as an overturned trashcan.
 
2018-03-07 02:13:49 PM  

G. Tarrant: My father is one of those people that stopped watching the NFL, his favorite sport, because "The Players Hate America And the Military". He couldn't name one protesting player (probably not even CK). He just knows that Fox News told him that, and the fact that what Fox told him is a complete fabrication doesn't matter to him. He's old, and what Fox News says is gospel.

I tried to show actual interviews with players where they point out they have absolutely nothing against The Flag or The Military and explaining what the protest is about but it doesn't matter. Fox doesn even HAVE to show the players saying anything. If Hannity says they're Protesting America without evidence, that trumps actual evidence.


The funny thing is, is that I'll guarantee you if some super liberal Democrat won against Trump in 2020, they'd find and convince some Tebow type player (in terms of politics) to take a knee against said President because they endorsed abortion and gay marriage, and they'd say "Well, if you guys protested against the flag and (our president), we can too!"
 
2018-03-07 02:18:37 PM  
NFLPA statement:

'During that past season, we received assurances from both both commissioner Roger Goodell and the Chairman of The Management Council, John Mara, That the right of players to demonstrate would be protected. We are glad that both the Houston Texans and Miami Dolphins have clarified their positions to be consistent with what was confirmed with our union leadership, and we expect all other NFL teams to maintain the same commitment to protecting those rights.'

But I have to laugh at the people saying that players weren't being blackballed because of the protesting. This was writing on the wall in bright red since Kaep started.
 
2018-03-07 02:53:50 PM  

redmid17: NFLPA statement:

'During that past season, we received assurances from both both commissioner Roger Goodell and the Chairman of The Management Council, John Mara, That the right of players to demonstrate would be protected. We are glad that both the Houston Texans and Miami Dolphins have clarified their positions to be consistent with what was confirmed with our union leadership, and we expect all other NFL teams to maintain the same commitment to protecting those rights.'

But I have to laugh at the people saying that players weren't being blackballed because of the protesting. This was writing on the wall in bright red since Kaep started.


Dozens and dozens of players are continuing the protests and continuing to get work. Kaep is the only one who appears to not be able to get a job.
 
2018-03-07 03:12:16 PM  

meanmutton: redmid17: NFLPA statement:

'During that past season, we received assurances from both both commissioner Roger Goodell and the Chairman of The Management Council, John Mara, That the right of players to demonstrate would be protected. We are glad that both the Houston Texans and Miami Dolphins have clarified their positions to be consistent with what was confirmed with our union leadership, and we expect all other NFL teams to maintain the same commitment to protecting those rights.'

But I have to laugh at the people saying that players weren't being blackballed because of the protesting. This was writing on the wall in bright red since Kaep started.

Dozens and dozens of players are continuing the protests and continuing to get work. Kaep is the only one who appears to not be able to get a job.


Everyone I've seen had a contract that went through this year. If Julius Thomas gets signed right away, then it'll just even confuse me more because he's a far worse TE than Kaep was a QB.
 
2018-03-07 03:16:25 PM  
Kneeling during the anthem is offensive, huh?

I'm more offended by the hat-wearers, the walk-abouters and the chit-chatters during the anthem.
 
2018-03-07 06:15:33 PM  
I stood for the national anthem for 12 years in school. We were required to sing along for many of those years. None of that made me patriotic, or made me appreciate the armed forces of my country. It's one of the stupidest things I have ever had to to on a regular basis.
 
2018-03-08 02:27:11 AM  

Pinnacle Point: One should kneel during the Russian national anthem if you really want to piss off the right wing racists.


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