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2018-03-06 02:40:06 PM  
1. Phone development timelines are pretty long - over a year or more. Their designs probably predate any public showing of iPhone X.

2. Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

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2018-03-06 02:47:51 PM  
The notch doesn't bother me, as each side has it's own swipe action and makes it useful.
 
2018-03-06 02:51:36 PM  
Remember what happened last time a notch wound up being popular? Let's just say is Twitter feed isn't exactly the friendliest.

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2018-03-06 02:59:15 PM  
More like iPhart X-stupid, amirite
 
2018-03-06 03:07:24 PM  

sigdiamond2000: More like iPhart X-stupid, amirite


You missed a chance to throw in a "notch"/"crotch" joke for bonus points.
 
2018-03-06 03:08:33 PM  
what?
 
2018-03-06 03:09:48 PM  
Well, it took a decade or so but we finally got here. I've gone from a complete obsession with minute differences in various cell phone iterations and breathless anticipation of releases to I have no farking idea what this headline is referring to and I'm certain it doesn't matter one farking bit.
 
2018-03-06 03:10:25 PM  
I don't have any idea what this thread is about and I refuse to find out. I put in several tours of derpy during the great Linux vs. Windows wars of the early aughts. I don't need to get dragged down into inane fights over phones now.
 
2018-03-06 03:16:12 PM  

Uzzah: sigdiamond2000: More like iPhart X-stupid, amirite

You missed a chance to throw in a "notch"/"crotch" joke for bonus points.


SAMDUNG FANDOOSH DATECTED!!1!
 
2018-03-06 03:18:13 PM  

loonatic112358: what?


JohnBigBootay: Well, it took a decade or so but we finally got here. I've gone from a complete obsession with minute differences in various cell phone iterations and breathless anticipation of releases to I have no farking idea what this headline is referring to and I'm certain it doesn't matter one farking bit.


skozlaw: I don't have any idea what this thread is about and I refuse to find out. I put in several tours of derpy during the great Linux vs. Windows wars of the early aughts. I don't need to get dragged down into inane fights over phones now.


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Thanks for joining the thread
 
2018-03-06 03:19:21 PM  

RexTalionis: 1. Phone development timelines are pretty long - over a year or more. Their designs probably predate any public showing of iPhone X.

2. Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

[technobuffalo.com image 850x560]


Yep.  The same way they forget this was announced and shipped before iPhone 1.  Everyone knows that Apple completely invented the no button, capacitive touchscreen phone- it's just that LG borrowed Obama's magical time machine to ship six months before Apple.

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2018-03-06 03:19:42 PM  

New Farkin User Name: loonatic112358: what?

Thanks for joining the thread


No really what is this notch they're on about? I'm missing the big feature they're discussing
 
2018-03-06 03:20:16 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I have no farking idea what this headline is referring to and I'm certain it doesn't matter one farking bit.


It's a little cutout on the top of the display where so the camera(s) and crap can be front facing while having as much glass and as little bezel as possible on the front of the phone. Some people think they're ugly or stupid.

As a sometimes phone fixing person, my objection has more to do with the difficulty of delaminating and removing, then fitting an oddly shaped piece of glass back in place without breaking it. These phones are going to be a biatch to fix. But it's not like anyone is ever going to break the screen on their $900+ ultra-premium phone, right?
 
2018-03-06 03:21:11 PM  

likefunbutnot: JohnBigBootay: I have no farking idea what this headline is referring to and I'm certain it doesn't matter one farking bit.

It's a little cutout on the top of the display where so the camera(s) and crap can be front facing while having as much glass and as little bezel as possible on the front of the phone. Some people think they're ugly or stupid.

As a sometimes phone fixing person, my objection has more to do with the difficulty of delaminating and removing, then fitting an oddly shaped piece of glass back in place without breaking it. These phones are going to be a biatch to fix. But it's not like anyone is ever going to break the screen on their $900+ ultra-premium phone, right?


that's what this is about?

well, that was an article for drews book is there ever was one
 
2018-03-06 03:22:56 PM  
 
2018-03-06 03:23:53 PM  

BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

Did you forget that even after the immediate $200 price cut, it was still a complete failure?

Or that vendors have come right out and admitted that they are copying Apple's notch?

Ahead of today's Zenfone 5 launch at Mobile World Congress 2018, Asus hosted a media briefing to tell us about its new phone and directly address the very familiar notch at the top of the device. "Some people will say it's copying Apple," said Marcel Campos, Asus' global head of marketing, "but we cannot get away from what users want. You have to follow the trends." So that's settled: the iPhone-esque notch is now trendy and we're all going to have to marvel at it across a diversity of Android devices, including the new Asus Zenfone.


It was a financial failure. That doesn't mean they didn't do it first, or that they didn't establish the trend to begin with.
 
2018-03-06 03:25:54 PM  
Yay! And article written by an Apple felator whining about cell phone manufacturers copying each other.

Such a hypocrite.
 
2018-03-06 03:27:50 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: RexTalionis: 1. Phone development timelines are pretty long - over a year or more. Their designs probably predate any public showing of iPhone X.

2. Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

[technobuffalo.com image 850x560]

Yep.  The same way they forget this was announced and shipped before iPhone 1.  Everyone knows that Apple completely invented the no button, capacitive touchscreen phone- it's just that LG borrowed Obama's magical time machine to ship six months before Apple.

[img.fark.net image 850x1203]


Apple definitely invented the smartphone touchscreen interface that's actually responsive and functional, with a usable web browser and other features people can use without pulling their hair out.
 
2018-03-06 03:29:33 PM  

RexTalionis: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

Did you forget that even after the immediate $200 price cut, it was still a complete failure?

Or that vendors have come right out and admitted that they are copying Apple's notch?

Ahead of today's Zenfone 5 launch at Mobile World Congress 2018, Asus hosted a media briefing to tell us about its new phone and directly address the very familiar notch at the top of the device. "Some people will say it's copying Apple," said Marcel Campos, Asus' global head of marketing, "but we cannot get away from what users want. You have to follow the trends." So that's settled: the iPhone-esque notch is now trendy and we're all going to have to marvel at it across a diversity of Android devices, including the new Asus Zenfone.

It was a financial failure. That doesn't mean they didn't do it first, or that they didn't establish the trend to begin with.


It was a complete failure. One not even a massive price cut could save.

Nobody is copying it.

Nobody rushes to copy failure.
 
2018-03-06 03:30:03 PM  
And, as I noted earlier - phone development cycles are notoriously long - over a year to 2 years from design stage to product release. The idea that a company could go from design stage to end production in 6 months is, in a word, absurd. You have to finalize the design, the internal hardware (e.g. radio placements), design custom screens. Then you have to make all of these designs available to your suppliers who build your custom components. Those suppliers need a few months to retool for your custom orders for your specially designed phone components - especially considering that the screens are all custom built to accommodate a "notch" design.

The idea that Asus or anybody else can go from drawing board to product announcement and release in less than 6 months is insane. If you think that's what's happening, BullBearMS, you're nuts.

If anything, I think the more practical reasoning is that they saw the trend towards more and more screen real-estate and minimal bezel phones, that combined with the idea of the "notch" first introduced by Essential phone over a year ago, made the idea more commonplace among manufacturers today.

That's a more reasonable timeline, rather than X producer apparently was able to magically conjure up supply chains for custom hardware (internal and external) in less than 6 months.
 
2018-03-06 03:35:24 PM  

RexTalionis: as I noted earlier - phone development cycles are notoriously long - over a year to 2 years from design stage to product release. The idea that a company could go from design stage to end production in 6 months is, in a word, absurd.


Apple's notch leaked to the press before the failed Essential Phone even launched.

Hell, we've already seen leaks of the next version of the iPhone X.

Spoiler alert: They are going to release a version of the iPhone X that is the same size as the current iPhone Plus variants.
 
2018-03-06 03:35:34 PM  
A Huweii or whatever is dead in America, didn't know Asus made a phone for the American market.. it surprises me LG did it since they are gaining reputation.

Also, its evolution.

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2018-03-06 03:35:42 PM  

RexTalionis: 1. Phone development timelines are pretty long - over a year or more. Their designs probably predate any public showing of iPhone X.

2. Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

[technobuffalo.com image 850x560]


Apple invented everything (except I can't think of anything they ever inventer, but whatever). You know how it is.
 
2018-03-06 03:35:59 PM  

wiredroach: Glockenspiel Hero: RexTalionis: 1. Phone development timelines are pretty long - over a year or more. Their designs probably predate any public showing of iPhone X.

2. Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

[technobuffalo.com image 850x560]

Yep.  The same way they forget this was announced and shipped before iPhone 1.  Everyone knows that Apple completely invented the no button, capacitive touchscreen phone- it's just that LG borrowed Obama's magical time machine to ship six months before Apple.

[img.fark.net image 850x1203]

Apple definitely invented the smartphone touchscreen interface that's actually responsive and functional, with a usable web browser and other features people can use without pulling their hair out.


But this is the exact dodge with the phone shown in the post that is the first.

"Apple invented X and now everyone's copying them!"
"No they didn't.  Here's the device that came first, Apple just refined the idea"
"But Apple made it better so we can ignore that- everyone's copying them!"

/The notch is stupid.
//Removing the headphone jack is stupider
///Glad I got a Pixel before Google started with that particular insanity
 
2018-03-06 03:39:14 PM  

BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

Did you forget that even after the immediate $200 price cut, it was still a complete failure?


So therefor it didn't exist. That must be your point.
 
2018-03-06 03:41:05 PM  

wiredroach: Glockenspiel Hero: RexTalionis: 1. Phone development timelines are pretty long - over a year or more. Their designs probably predate any public showing of iPhone X.

2. Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

[technobuffalo.com image 850x560]

Yep.  The same way they forget this was announced and shipped before iPhone 1.  Everyone knows that Apple completely invented the no button, capacitive touchscreen phone- it's just that LG borrowed Obama's magical time machine to ship six months before Apple.

[img.fark.net image 850x1203]

Apple definitely invented the smartphone touchscreen interface that's actually responsive and functional, with a usable web browser and other features people can use without pulling their hair out.


Microsoft's OS was just fine, and IE browser was standard.

Why do Apple fanboys have to flat out make stuff up?
 
2018-03-06 03:41:41 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: But this is the exact dodge with the phone shown in the post that is the first.

"Apple invented X and now everyone's copying them!"
"No they didn't.  Here's the device that came first, Apple just refined the idea"
"But Apple made it better so we can ignore that- everyone's copying them!"


And yet, Apple's notch looks nothing like that one, and the competitors' newest ones--some by their own admission--are very, very much like the iPhone's.
 
2018-03-06 03:44:03 PM  
If everyone is purchasing Samsung panels, could it be that Samsung said "hey, we build this tech", and companies designed phones around it?
 
2018-03-06 03:44:16 PM  

RexTalionis: The idea that Asus or anybody else can go from drawing board to product announcement and release in less than 6 months is insane. If you think that's what's happening, BullBearMS, you're nuts.


Everybody knew Apple was doing a notch at the beginning of 2017.

The copycats aren't copying what Apple did... There's no 3D face mapping biometric hardware tied to custom silicon that runs machine learning algorithms.

All they are copying is what the phone looks like.

Despite all the whining that flooded the web ahead of the iPhone X's release, Android smartphone makers apparently got right to work figuring out how to copy the phone's unique design. Android phone makers copying Apple is nothing new, of course, but this time around there's an added component that makes the situation even more hilarious than it usually is: The notch on these Android ripoffs serves no actual purpose.
 
2018-03-06 03:45:21 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

Did you forget that even after the immediate $200 price cut, it was still a complete failure?

So therefor it didn't exist. That must be your point.


Therefore nobody is copying it.

Which phones have a round cutout with nothing but a camera in it?
 
2018-03-06 03:49:15 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: wiredroach: Apple definitely invented the smartphone touchscreen interface that's actually responsive and functional, with a usable web browser and other features people can use without pulling their hair out.

Microsoft's OS was just fine, and IE browser was standard.


The fact that Microsoft has completely abandoned the phone market tells me you're not a very good judge of what is just fine..
 
2018-03-06 03:49:22 PM  

wiredroach: Apple definitely invented the smartphone touchscreen interface that's actually responsive and functional, with a usable web browser and other features people can use without pulling their hair out.


Really? I was working as a Palm and Windows Mobile developer in the early 2000s, almost everything I took away from trying to use iOS was how little it was able to do, especially as a generic web client.
 
2018-03-06 03:50:14 PM  

BullBearMS: RexTalionis: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

Did you forget that even after the immediate $200 price cut, it was still a complete failure?

Or that vendors have come right out and admitted that they are copying Apple's notch?

Ahead of today's Zenfone 5 launch at Mobile World Congress 2018, Asus hosted a media briefing to tell us about its new phone and directly address the very familiar notch at the top of the device. "Some people will say it's copying Apple," said Marcel Campos, Asus' global head of marketing, "but we cannot get away from what users want. You have to follow the trends." So that's settled: the iPhone-esque notch is now trendy and we're all going to have to marvel at it across a diversity of Android devices, including the new Asus Zenfone.

It was a financial failure. That doesn't mean they didn't do it first, or that they didn't establish the trend to begin with.

It was a complete failure. One not even a massive price cut could save.

Nobody is copying it.

Nobody rushes to copy failure.


Apple pay rushed to copy Google's first nfc payment system.
 
2018-03-06 03:51:24 PM  

BullBearMS: Everybody knew Apple was doing a notch at the beginning of 2017.


Which ones are you talking about?

You mean the leaked images from April, 2017 published by MacRumors and other outlets that explicitly showed no notch?

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https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/17/​i​phone-8-renderings-minimal-bezels/
 
2018-03-06 03:54:56 PM  
Remember - the Notch design on the iPhone was, if I am not mistaken, an after-the-fact ad-hoc redesign because they couldn't get screen yields high enough for production because the delicate area around the earpiece was too prone to breakage or error.

Anyone who tells you that Apple was intending the thing to be notched to begin doesn't know what the hell they're talking about it.
 
2018-03-06 03:56:09 PM  

mjbok: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

Did you forget that even after the immediate $200 price cut, it was still a complete failure?

Or that vendors have come right out and admitted that they are copying Apple's notch?

Ahead of today's Zenfone 5 launch at Mobile World Congress 2018, Asus hosted a media briefing to tell us about its new phone and directly address the very familiar notch at the top of the device. "Some people will say it's copying Apple," said Marcel Campos, Asus' global head of marketing, "but we cannot get away from what users want. You have to follow the trends." So that's settled: the iPhone-esque notch is now trendy and we're all going to have to marvel at it across a diversity of Android devices, including the new Asus Zenfone.

It was a financial failure. That doesn't mean they didn't do it first, or that they didn't establish the trend to begin with.

It was a complete failure. One not even a massive price cut could save.

Nobody is copying it.

Nobody rushes to copy failure.

Apple pay rushed to copy Google's first nfc payment system.


That's interesting. Are you pretending Google didn't abandon their early work (Google Wallet, Google Checkout) to copy Apple Pay?
 
2018-03-06 03:56:50 PM  

likefunbutnot: Really? I was working as a Palm and Windows Mobile developer in the early 2000s, almost everything I took away from trying to use iOS was how little it was able to do, especially as a generic web client.


That's interesting, because iOS didn't exist till 2007.
 
2018-03-06 03:59:17 PM  
You know phones have nothing new to offer if they're saying "our notch is smaller!!!".  The notch won't interrupt my fapping at all and I watch real movies on a TV or tablet.
 
2018-03-06 04:01:48 PM  

BullBearMS: Ketchuponsteak: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

Did you forget that even after the immediate $200 price cut, it was still a complete failure?

So therefor it didn't exist. That must be your point.

Therefore nobody is copying it.

Which phones have a round cutout with nothing but a camera in it?


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2018-03-06 04:03:48 PM  

BullBearMS: mjbok: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

Did you forget that even after the immediate $200 price cut, it was still a complete failure?

Or that vendors have come right out and admitted that they are copying Apple's notch?

Ahead of today's Zenfone 5 launch at Mobile World Congress 2018, Asus hosted a media briefing to tell us about its new phone and directly address the very familiar notch at the top of the device. "Some people will say it's copying Apple," said Marcel Campos, Asus' global head of marketing, "but we cannot get away from what users want. You have to follow the trends." So that's settled: the iPhone-esque notch is now trendy and we're all going to have to marvel at it across a diversity of Android devices, including the new Asus Zenfone.

It was a financial failure. That doesn't mean they didn't do it first, or that they didn't establish the trend to begin with.

It was a complete failure. One not even a massive price cut could save.

Nobody is copying it.

Nobody rushes to copy failure.

Apple pay rushed to copy Google's first nfc payment system.

That's interesting. Are you pretending Google didn't abandon their early work (Google Wallet, Google Checkout) to copy Apple Pay?


Google creates x.  Apple copies and vastly improves x branded as y.  Google takes y's improvements over x and reheat it as z.  On In this scenario only Google is in the wrong in your opinion?

Have you ever, in your trolling fark career ever said a single negative thing about Apple or an Apple product?  Or said something good about an android based device?

I point out the positives and negatives of both (both have both), but you've raised being a shill to a near art form.
 
2018-03-06 04:05:00 PM  

wiredroach: That's interesting, because iOS didn't exist till 2007.


No, but my experiences prior to 2007 definitely informed my opinion of iOS.
 
2018-03-06 04:05:39 PM  

RexTalionis: BullBearMS: Ketchuponsteak: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

Did you forget that even after the immediate $200 price cut, it was still a complete failure?

So therefor it didn't exist. That must be your point.

Therefore nobody is copying it.

Which phones have a round cutout with nothing but a camera in it?

[cdn.gsmarena.com image 728x485]


Yes, we already knew what the failed Essential Phone did.
 
2018-03-06 04:06:25 PM  

BullBearMS: Just a minute ago you were saying that it takes two years to get a major feature like FaceID through design.


Just to follow up - I made no such claim. I said the original design for the iPhone X doesn't have a notch. The FaceID sensors and cameras are hidden underneath the display.

The notch was created when production yields of the screen wasn't sufficient to allow for full production of the iPhone X, so they scrapped the notchless design and added a notch as an ad hoc fix.

Go read the MacRumors link I sent you to. They describe exactly what I just told you (sans the stuff about the notch).

In fact, here, here's the exact description they use:

"The drawing shows a narrow earpiece at the top of the device's front, with various cameras, sensors, and other components on either side of the earpiece. Those components would likely include a front-facing camera, small microphone hole, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor, and the rumored 3D sensor. 

All of these components appear to be embedded within the display area itself, and while the accompanying rendered mockups based on the drawing show the earpiece appearing as a physical slit within the display area, the camera and other sensors are not depicted and it is unclear how they would appear in reality. "

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/17/​i​phone-8-renderings-minimal-bezels/
From April 17, 2017.
 
2018-03-06 04:06:59 PM  

BullBearMS: RexTalionis: BullBearMS: Ketchuponsteak: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Did everyone forget that this was announced half a year ahead of the iPhone?

Did you forget that even after the immediate $200 price cut, it was still a complete failure?

So therefor it didn't exist. That must be your point.

Therefore nobody is copying it.

Which phones have a round cutout with nothing but a camera in it?

[cdn.gsmarena.com image 728x485]

Yes, we already knew what the failed Essential Phone did.


That's a Sharp Aquos S2, sharp eyes.
 
2018-03-06 04:10:48 PM  

RexTalionis: Just to follow up - I made no such claim. I said the original design for the iPhone X doesn't have a notch. The FaceID sensors and cameras are hidden underneath the display.


Are you claiming that a rumor is reality?
 
2018-03-06 04:11:01 PM  
And remember - you're the one who claimed that everyone knew that Apple had a notched screen at the beginning of 2017.

Still waiting on proof of that.
 
2018-03-06 04:12:36 PM  

BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Just to follow up - I made no such claim. I said the original design for the iPhone X doesn't have a notch. The FaceID sensors and cameras are hidden underneath the display.

Are you claiming that a rumor is reality?


I don't know, but their schematic of the under-display placement of FaceID sensors and cameras seem to be pretty spot on for April, 2017.

cdn.macrumors.comView Full Size
 
2018-03-06 04:13:12 PM  

RexTalionis: And remember - you're the one who claimed that everyone knew that Apple had a notched screen at the beginning of 2017.

Still waiting on proof of that.


Apple's supply chain is so large that everything leaks every year.

This is what happens when you're the trendsetter. People care about what you're going to do.
 
2018-03-06 04:13:57 PM  

BullBearMS: RexTalionis: And remember - you're the one who claimed that everyone knew that Apple had a notched screen at the beginning of 2017.

Still waiting on proof of that.

Apple's supply chain is so large that everything leaks every year.

This is what happens when you're the trendsetter. People care about what you're going to do.


Saying that everything leaks every year isn't proof that everyone knows about the notch at the beginning of 2017.
 
2018-03-06 04:14:47 PM  

RexTalionis: BullBearMS: RexTalionis: Just to follow up - I made no such claim. I said the original design for the iPhone X doesn't have a notch. The FaceID sensors and cameras are hidden underneath the display.

Are you claiming that a rumor is reality?

I don't know, but their schematic of the under-display placement of FaceID sensors and cameras seem to be pretty spot on for April, 2017.

[cdn.macrumors.com image 720x673]


LOL. You're proving my point that Apple's supply chain had already leaked what they were doing and you think that's a "gotcha"?
 
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