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2018-03-06 11:13:32 AM  
When will this madness end?
 
2018-03-06 11:16:45 AM  
It's already time for Spring forward?! I HATE SPRING FORWARD!

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2018-03-06 11:17:23 AM  
Daylight saving time is dumb, especially if you're closer to the equator. Why Florida wants to move permanently to DST is beyond me, but then this is the state that re-elect Governor Batboy.
 
2018-03-06 11:17:30 AM  
Ha! In before the "let's make DST permanent all year" crowd.
 
2018-03-06 11:20:57 AM  
The time change is specifically put there so that the turtle can adjust the flat world on his back. It's very scientific and there's a lot of fluid dynamics physics involved, but it has to do with the feeding time of the turtle and his digestive tract creating gases that collect at the top of his shell, and when that happens there's a slight shift in the sun and the time change has to be made to keep the globalists believing in their false universe.
 
2018-03-06 11:32:53 AM  
I just want it to be June all year round.
 
2018-03-06 11:35:01 AM  
I just want there to be equal parts daylight before and after noon.
 
2018-03-06 11:47:05 AM  
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2018-03-06 12:09:03 PM  
But my crops!
 
2018-03-06 12:14:00 PM  
I really don't care about any of the arguments for or against DST.  I like it be cause it shakes things up a bit twice a year.
 
2018-03-06 12:15:21 PM  

MrBallou: Ha! In before the "let's make DST permanent all year" crowd.


DST should be permanent.  It's good to have lots of light after work.  In the depths of winter I come to work in the dark and leave in the dark, so it doesn't really matter to me when it's light out, because I won't see it.  If time were an hour off, maybe I would see daylight in late December.
 
2018-03-06 12:15:22 PM  
Yay, I can't wait for a week of waking up startled and thinking that I'm off my schedule.
 
2018-03-06 12:18:44 PM  
DST helps keep sunrises around 7 and sunsets after 6.  They just messed with it when they moved the start date earlier in the year and the end later.  http://andywoodruff.com/blog/​where-to-​hate-daylight-saving-time-and-where-to​-love-it/
 
2018-03-06 12:19:24 PM  

saywhonow: But my crops!


You can use other programs besides Paint to do that.
 
2018-03-06 12:24:46 PM  
Article is a repeat from yesterday.
 
2018-03-06 12:28:03 PM  
I think it's been long established now that DST is a waste of everyone's time (no pun intended, exactly).  The evidence has been shown that it is doing no one any good at all anymore.  And it's been like that for so long, that most people don't even know why the hell it ever came about to begin with.  Or, at least, they don't agree on the reason.

So why hasn't it been taken away?  Most people will tell you it's too costly to change all the systems that are currently set to automatically update.  Which would be damn near all of them.

The rest of us say, well, if that's the case, then how the fark did Dubya change the times by 2 weeks on each end?!  Wasn't that pretty farking costly?!
 
2018-03-06 12:28:23 PM  
My system is far superior to our current DST.

Each month, we adjust the clocks a small amount (around 10 minutes) so that sunset always occurs between 8:00-9:00PM. Fark mornings. Who cares if it's dark until noon in the winter? I want 3-4 hours of daylight when I get home from work.

/No, I won't think of the children going to school in the dark. Give them flashlights.
 
2018-03-06 12:29:19 PM  

bingethinker: Article is a repeat from yesterday.


FWIW moderators... it didn't show as a dup. Honest.
 
2018-03-06 12:30:52 PM  
Those aren't the five reasons. There's only one reason, and it's to take an hour from the morning and put it in the evening, to give us more daylight recreation in the summer.

That's all it does:

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I know the nerds and shutins complaining about it on the Internet don't understand why, but for those of us who like to actually go outside and enjoy our lives, Daylight Savings makes summer evenings last longer.
 
2018-03-06 12:33:54 PM  
Twice a year you people f*ck up our TV schedule here in Arizona.
 
2018-03-06 12:35:10 PM  
durbnpoisn:

So why hasn't it been taken away?  Most people will tell you it's too costly to change all the systems that are currently set to automatically update.  Which would be damn near all of them.


CSB.  Back in 2007, DST was moved back a couple weeks.  Our company had a panic about it, worried everyone's outlook calendars would be off.  Rather than people just adjusting for three weeks, I used a script that changed all those appointments during that three week period to the new correct time.  This required me to log in to about 10,000 email accounts.  I had set up 7 workstations to do it, and the script ran all weekend long, since it could only do one account at a time.  My boss was in a panic, but everything ran smoothly.  She called me up as I was nearing the end, and I said "This would be a good time to approve me trip to the Honolulu Office."  She was so happy with my work that she said "approved."

So, thanks to DST changing, I got an all expense paid trip to Hawaii.  I even worked out of the Hawaii office at least three hours a day while I was there.
 
2018-03-06 12:40:54 PM  
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fark me.  Here comes the start of my seasonal depression, as the sun never farking goes away so I can have some peace.  Thank whoever created blackout curtains And air conditioning, when the weather also turns vile.

I cannot wait to enjoy the snow we are expecting tomorrow.  A brief reminder there is good in the world.  spring and summer absolutely make me miserable.  The clock change will have me pining for October and November. I just wish I could skip May-September.   ((sigh))  fark spring and summer and sun and all the misery it brings.
 
2018-03-06 12:41:35 PM  

Lorenzo Von Matterhorn: MrBallou: Ha! In before the "let's make DST permanent all year" crowd.

DST should be permanent.  It's good to have lots of light after work.  In the depths of winter I come to work in the dark and leave in the dark, so it doesn't really matter to me when it's light out, because I won't see it.  If time were an hour off, maybe I would see daylight in late December.


Is changing your work schedule an option?  Instead of making everybody else call 8:00 9:00 so you can go to work at what is really 8:00 even though you call it 9:00, maybe you could just start work at 8:00 instead of 9:00.
 
2018-03-06 12:43:37 PM  

MrBallou: Ha! In before the "let's make DST permanent all year" crowd.


Lorenzo Von Matterhorn: DST should be permanent.


Instead of talking about "making DST permanent" it would make more sense for people on the East Coast of the USA to talk about moving their states or regions to Atlantic Time Zone (UTC-4) from the Eastern Time Zone (UTC-5).  It amounts to much the same thing in the end, but makes more sense, since it no longer makes sense to talk about "Daylight Time" if you are on it all the time.  If you are on "Daylight Time" all year round it is actually your standard time.  It would make more sense to speak of being on AST rather than EDT.

As an East Coaster myself, I don't much care whether we observe UTC-5 or UTC-4, but I would prefer to stick with one and get rid of the semi-annual changes.  My reason for disliking it stems mainly from being a parent to small children.  Small children work best when they are on a predictable routine and bedtime and wake-up time are the same every day.  Having the entire daily routine shift by an hour twice a year can really throw them out-of-whack.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I just want there to be equal parts daylight before and after noon.


This is the way it used to be before time zones were standardized.  Every single town in America had their own "local time" based on noon being when the sun was directly overhead at that location.

That's fine when most interactions are local and long-distance travel is slow.  But it became a big problem once the economy became more nationalized, and telecommunications (the telegraph) and travel (the railroads) started to depend on people in distant locations all agreeing on what time it was.
 
2018-03-06 12:44:44 PM  

Ishkur: Those aren't the five reasons. There's only one reason, and it's to take an hour from the morning and put it in the evening, to give us more daylight recreation in the summer.

That's all it does:

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I know the nerds and shutins complaining about it on the Internet don't understand why, but for those of us who like to actually go outside and enjoy our lives, Daylight Savings makes summer evenings last longer.


But who the fark WANTS TO be outside when the weather is vile? I am happy to go out when it is 40 degrees and I am dressed comfortably.  I am never happy when it is 70-80-90- degrees and humid and sunny and absolutely disgusting.
 
2018-03-06 12:44:58 PM  
I'll go one better.

We should get rid of time zones altogether (as well as AM and PM) and run everything on UTC.

In the eastern part of the US, the normal business day would run from 13:00 to 22:00.  We'd all each lunch around 17:00.

In California, the normal business day would run from 16:00 to 01:00.  Most bars would be open there until 10:00.
 
2018-03-06 12:46:17 PM  
We got rid of that shiat last year and ohmygawd has it been a godsend.
 
2018-03-06 12:47:07 PM  

Doc Daneeka: As an East Coaster myself, I don't much care whether we observe UTC-5 or UTC-4, but I would prefer to stick with one and get rid of the semi-annual changes. My reason for disliking it stems mainly from being a parent to small children. Small children work best when they are on a predictable routine and bedtime and wake-up time are the same every day. Having the entire daily routine shift by an hour twice a year can really throw them out-of-whack.


Cats, too.  They get on a schedule.  They don't grasp things like weekends or time changes.  My cats get food at 4:30 am and 5:00 pm.  Change the time and they go nuts because it is food time, why is there food too early or too late?  As much as I LOVE turning the clocks back (my happy season) my cats decide that means 3:30 is time to eat.
 
2018-03-06 12:47:32 PM  

MrBallou: Lorenzo Von Matterhorn: MrBallou: Ha! In before the "let's make DST permanent all year" crowd.

DST should be permanent.  It's good to have lots of light after work.  In the depths of winter I come to work in the dark and leave in the dark, so it doesn't really matter to me when it's light out, because I won't see it.  If time were an hour off, maybe I would see daylight in late December.

Is changing your work schedule an option?  Instead of making everybody else call 8:00 9:00 so you can go to work at what is really 8:00 even though you call it 9:00, maybe you could just start work at 8:00 instead of 9:00.


I start work at 7:30.
 
2018-03-06 12:48:06 PM  

durbnpoisn: I think it's been long established now that DST is a waste of everyone's time (no pun intended, exactly).  The evidence has been shown that it is doing no one any good at all anymore.  And it's been like that for so long, that most people don't even know why the hell it ever came about to begin with.  Or, at least, they don't agree on the reason.

So why hasn't it been taken away?  Most people will tell you it's too costly to change all the systems that are currently set to automatically update.  Which would be damn near all of them.

The rest of us say, well, if that's the case, then how the fark did Dubya change the times by 2 weeks on each end?!  Wasn't that pretty farking costly?!


It was worth a billion dollars a year to the US Candy industry to extend DST past Halloween to get an extra hour of "trick-or-treat" time before the sun goes down.

/I thought you weren't supposed to start until sunset anyway
//But I was forbidden from participating as a youth, so I'm probably mistaken
 
2018-03-06 12:51:18 PM  
Eliminate Standatd Time.
 
2018-03-06 12:52:45 PM  
And personally, I'm in the "I don't care what time zone / setting we choose, I just want us to stick with it" because the change twice a year causes me severe anguish.

I have enough trouble with time as it is, that the giant flashing neon sign screaming "Time is an arbitrary and illusory construct!" twice a year is far from helpful.

/Time is an illusion
//Lunch-time doubly so.
 
2018-03-06 01:00:07 PM  

Lorenzo Von Matterhorn: durbnpoisn:

So why hasn't it been taken away?  Most people will tell you it's too costly to change all the systems that are currently set to automatically update.  Which would be damn near all of them.


CSB.  Back in 2007, DST was moved back a couple weeks.  Our company had a panic about it, worried everyone's outlook calendars would be off.  Rather than people just adjusting for three weeks, I used a script that changed all those appointments during that three week period to the new correct time.  This required me to log in to about 10,000 email accounts.  I had set up 7 workstations to do it, and the script ran all weekend long, since it could only do one account at a time.  My boss was in a panic, but everything ran smoothly.  She called me up as I was nearing the end, and I said "This would be a good time to approve me trip to the Honolulu Office."  She was so happy with my work that she said "approved."

So, thanks to DST changing, I got an all expense paid trip to Hawaii.  I even worked out of the Hawaii office at least three hours a day while I was there.


Oh, shut up!  This thread is for complaining!

//Kidding.
///That's actually a really cool story.
 
2018-03-06 01:01:20 PM  
But if DST were eliminated, what pseudo-stories would we fill space with each March and October?  Won't somebody please think about the "journalists"?
 
2018-03-06 01:04:11 PM  
Don't care which one we keep, lets just pick one and stick with it forever. Or shift the clocks 30 minutes one day and never touch them again.

I will tell you though, running an astronomy camp for elementary schools when the sun doesn't set until after 930pm really farking sucks.
 
2018-03-06 01:04:19 PM  
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2018-03-06 01:04:46 PM  
The dogs are always on DST so, meh.
 
2018-03-06 01:05:15 PM  

Ishkur: Those aren't the five reasons. There's only one reason, and it's to take an hour from the morning and put it in the evening, to give us more daylight recreation in the summer.

That's all it does:

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I know the nerds and shutins complaining about it on the Internet don't understand why, but for those of us who like to actually go outside and enjoy our lives, Daylight Savings makes summer evenings last longer.


I absolutely LOVE that the sun goes down close to 10 pm in the summer. :-)  By July 4th, it's somewhere between 9:30 and 10:00, because the fireworks always start at 10. Who farking cares if I have to work the next day? I can handle staying out a few hours later for a few nights in the summer. And I have a ton of time to do shiat around the house after work and still leave my weekends free.
 
2018-03-06 01:06:51 PM  

PlaidJaguar: /Time is an illusion
//Lunch-time doubly so.


My nine hour days were eight hours that felt like 27 hours in a prison and a lunch break in my car with music, books, and Fark on my phone, that felt like 12 minutes.
 
2018-03-06 01:10:50 PM  

Mikey1969: I absolutely LOVE that the sun goes down close to 10 pm in the summer. :-) By July 4th, it's somewhere between 9:30 and 10:00, because the fireworks always start at 10. Who farking cares if I have to work the next day? I can handle staying out a few hours later for a few nights in the summer. And I have a ton of time to do shiat around the house after work and still leave my weekends free.


I... hate... you.   Nothing for me, is much better than leaving work at 5 or 6 and it being dark out. I feel so happy and so free.  I despise the sun and heat and warmth.

It appears that my habit of turning the heat off when my husband turned it on actually broke the heat in our apartment and it won't turn on however much he wants it to.  And since I am here all day, alone, and won't let anyone into our apartment (if something needs to be fixed, he has to be here and I have to NOT be here and put my cats in a closed room so Jon isn't upset) it's not getting fixed.

I hope they are accurate about a foot of snow in our area tomorrow.  My happiness.  Sun and heat? Well, hi, electric company. Here is a ton of money so I don't die.  Air conditioning and balckout curtains and leaving the house as little as humanly possible is the only way to deal with vile spring and summer and the constant goddamned sun.
 
2018-03-06 01:19:03 PM  
I'm looking forward to my yearly email from Bob about why his 2:30am cron job didn't run.
 
2018-03-06 01:19:21 PM  

no1curr: Daylight saving time is dumb, especially if you're closer to the equator. Why Florida wants to move permanently to DST is beyond me, but then this is the state that re-elect Governor Batboy.


Tourism. Having more sun in the evening means more people out and about spending money.

We're used to 10pm sunsets in the summer anyway.
 
2018-03-06 01:20:00 PM  

bighairyguy: I really don't care about any of the arguments for or against DST.  I like it be cause it shakes things up a bit twice a year.


Pretty much.
 
2018-03-06 01:24:22 PM  
So help me God, if Trump would spearhead an effort to terminate DST I would vote for his reelection.
 
2018-03-06 01:28:04 PM  

ColSanders: So help me God, if Trump would spearhead an effort to terminate DST I would vote for his reelection.


Buy some ad space on Fox & Friends and claim DST was the result of an Obama executive order.

/Nothing would ever get me to vote for Trump.
 
2018-03-06 01:37:05 PM  

serpent_sky: But who the fark WANTS TO be outside when the weather is vile? I am happy to go out when it is 40 degrees and I am dressed comfortably. I am never happy when it is 70-80-90- degrees and humid and sunny and absolutely disgusting.


You are a minority.
 
2018-03-06 01:38:42 PM  

serpent_sky: Mikey1969: I absolutely LOVE that the sun goes down close to 10 pm in the summer. :-) By July 4th, it's somewhere between 9:30 and 10:00, because the fireworks always start at 10. Who farking cares if I have to work the next day? I can handle staying out a few hours later for a few nights in the summer. And I have a ton of time to do shiat around the house after work and still leave my weekends free.

I... hate... you.   Nothing for me, is much better than leaving work at 5 or 6 and it being dark out. I feel so happy and so free.  I despise the sun and heat and warmth.

It appears that my habit of turning the heat off when my husband turned it on actually broke the heat in our apartment and it won't turn on however much he wants it to.  And since I am here all day, alone, and won't let anyone into our apartment (if something needs to be fixed, he has to be here and I have to NOT be here and put my cats in a closed room so Jon isn't upset) it's not getting fixed.

I hope they are accurate about a foot of snow in our area tomorrow.  My happiness.  Sun and heat? Well, hi, electric company. Here is a ton of money so I don't die.  Air conditioning and balckout curtains and leaving the house as little as humanly possible is the only way to deal with vile spring and summer and the constant goddamned sun.


Let's clarify a few things...

I LOVE winter. I love being in a place where I get snow and it gets cold and dark in the winter.

I LOVE shutting my house up like a cave when it's bright outside. I currently sit in my office with the lights out, and the only light coming from a window into the rest of the office area. I like the dark.

That said, in the summer, I like being able to do things late, when the weather's nice for doing them. Besides, when it's hot out, late afternoon/early evening is the time to go out, since it actually cools down here, unlike when I was stuck in Phoenix, so I get to do more shiat. I can actually go out as the sun is merely nearing the horizon, and will only be 90 degrees, instead of the 100 or 105 it hit that day, and I'll still have a couple of hours left. Not that I usually get around to doing anything, but I like the option.

And even though I like winter, it's a little depressing to drive to and from work in the dark. I like to remember that I get to use the daylight, too> otherwise, I start to feel like sunlight is only for the elite, and as a wage slave it's not mine to enjoy.
 
2018-03-06 01:52:31 PM  
I'll throw my worthless opinion onto this fire:
I don't care if we go full year Summer time or full year Standard time- just pick one. Either one. Then be done with it so as a society we can write about it in history books as an experiment on society, like smallpox infected blankets, the Tuskegee experiment, or agent orange. To me, right now the only thing its good for is giving me that one day of hope a year that the extra stress of waking up earlier will push my overbearing alcoholic (and sometimes smoking) relatives into the grave. Other than that, either / or works for me.
 
2018-03-06 01:52:35 PM  
The only things that can't handle the time change are livestock and children. The rest of you should be able to cope.
 
2018-03-06 01:53:46 PM  
I was a school crossing guard when they tried year round DST a while back. It was scary. The middle schoolers walked to school in the pitch dark. So the powers that be caved in and then the idiots decided to add 2 hours on either end. It has been just starting to get light when I get up in the morning and now I have to go back to dark mornings for the next month.
By the way the littlest trick or treaters are the only ones we see before dark.
 
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