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2018-03-06 07:41:55 AM  
Waste of taxpayer funds.

Giving 500 million to Solyndra was okay.
 
2018-03-06 07:53:50 AM  
I distinctly remember the GOP telling their own members not to use their offices as dorms back in '93-'94, after that big wave of new Congressmen showed up.
 
2018-03-06 09:00:07 AM  
Yeah, once you get the stink of GOP in your carpets, it doesn't come out.
 
2018-03-06 09:01:08 AM  

BalugaJoe: Waste of taxpayer funds.

Giving 500 million to Solyndra was okay.


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2018-03-06 09:41:18 AM  
My contention is that the feds need to find some place in the DC metro area to build a campus for Congresscritters.  All 535 get a suite - bedroom, main room with kitchenette, and bathroom.  Done in about the level of an above average but not Vegas-tacky hotel.   Basically a dorm for adults.  If you are a Congressman or Senator and want to live somewhere else, then go for it.  But if you are from Bare Ass, AR and cannot afford DC housing or rent, then here you go.
 
2018-03-06 09:41:48 AM  

FatherChaos: BaIugaJoe: Waste of taxpayer funds.

Giving 500 million to Solyndra was okay.

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Imma going to throw out the challenge flag here. It was clearly a Red Herring and should be 10 yards and loss of down.
 
2018-03-06 09:41:55 AM  
Let's start with something more modest -- like keeping them from sleeping while performing the duties of that office.
 
2018-03-06 10:14:42 AM  
Dumb, dumb, dumb concern.  Let them sleep where they want.  It's not actually costing any additional money.

One CBC member who declined to be named also criticized Republicans for advocating cuts to safety net programs while living rent-free in a government building.
Now, this line of questioning I like.  Who cares whether they can legally/ethically do it - the point is the ones who are attacking the assistance programs are hypocrites for doing it.
 
2018-03-06 10:26:18 AM  
I'd rather them sleep on their couches and raid the caucus room fridge for sodas than accept a "free" room at Chateau de Koch with secret webcams in the ceiling and the daily singing of "Grind Up The Poor For Food"
 
2018-03-06 10:31:28 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd rather them sleep on their couches and raid the caucus room fridge for sodas than accept a "free" room at Chateau de Koch with secret webcams in the ceiling and the daily singing of "Grind Up The Poor For Food"


But enough about Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell's love nest.
 
2018-03-06 10:41:43 AM  

phalamir: My contention is that the feds need to find some place in the DC metro area to build a campus for Congresscritters.  All 535 get a suite - bedroom, main room with kitchenette, and bathroom.  Done in about the level of an above average but not Vegas-tacky hotel.   Basically a dorm for adults.  If you are a Congressman or Senator and want to live somewhere else, then go for it.  But if you are from Bare Ass, AR and cannot afford DC housing or rent, then here you go.


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pfft...capsules are too good for them
 
2018-03-06 10:55:01 AM  

FatherChaos: BalugaJoe: Waste of taxpayer funds.

Giving 500 million to Solyndra was okay.

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It's just like out of the Wizard of Oz:  Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

/he's probably sleeping
 
2018-03-06 11:12:43 AM  
Damn politicians trying to throw the homeless out on the streets again.
 
2018-03-06 11:14:02 AM  

BalugaJoe: Waste of taxpayer funds.

Giving 500 million to Solyndra was okay.


That's barely half of what ExxonMobil got in subsidies.
 
2018-03-06 12:10:58 PM  
The janitorial staff would like to request that at least one Congressman put his used grapefruit in the trash and not leave it on the floor under his desk.
 
2018-03-06 12:28:26 PM  

phalamir: My contention is that the feds need to find some place in the DC metro area to build a campus for Congresscritters.  All 535 get a suite - bedroom, main room with kitchenette, and bathroom.  Done in about the level of an above average but not Vegas-tacky hotel.   Basically a dorm for adults.  If you are a Congressman or Senator and want to live somewhere else, then go for it.  But if you are from Bare Ass, AR and cannot afford DC housing or rent, then here you go.


Better than having them live Rent Free in a dorm run by a creepy cult
 
2018-03-06 12:36:30 PM  
Actually, the Third Way Democrats are kind of busy addressing the scourge of those banking regulations put into place after the financial collapse.

Why Are Democrats Helping Trump Dismantle Dodd-Frank?
 
2018-03-06 12:37:12 PM  

2xhelix: BalugaJoe: Waste of taxpayer funds.

Giving 500 million to Solyndra was okay.

That's barely half of what ExxonMobil got in subsidies.


Dude, you got a whataboutism all over his whataboutism.
It's whataboutception.
 
2018-03-06 12:38:42 PM  
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2018-03-06 12:39:33 PM  
"BURN THEM!!!!!"
"Dude, that's a little harsh for them just sleeping in their offices"
"Oh, I don't care about that, I just want to burn them"
 
2018-03-06 12:41:55 PM  

FatherChaos: BalugaJoe: Waste of taxpayer funds.

Giving 500 million to Solyndra was okay.

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And yet you post no pics of kneeling black men being ejected. Fark--where righteous whataboutism t-bones sercialist daintyism.
 
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2018-03-06 12:42:02 PM  

phalamir: My contention is that the feds need to find some place in the DC metro area to build a campus for Congresscritters.  All 535 get a suite - bedroom, main room with kitchenette, and bathroom.  Done in about the level of an above average but not Vegas-tacky hotel.   Basically a dorm for adults.  If you are a Congressman or Senator and want to live somewhere else, then go for it.  But if you are from Bare Ass, AR and cannot afford DC housing or rent, then here you go.


Do away with the kitchenette or severely downscale it, force them to dine together much of the time. Even better, set-up the dining room differently every day such that the equivalent of the cool-kids-table isn't as much a problem.

Make it like an old-school non-strip-club gentlemen's club. Everyone gets private "apartments", there are reservable meeting rooms, lounges, a library, a few reservable private dining rooms (with strict limits on the number of times and how far ahead they may be reserved) and a few other amenities. Nice enough that congresscritters would have to give some thought as to not living here, and with them packed-in enough to make sure they socialize with each other and more than just in a partisan fashion. Make the apartments big enough that they're good enough for a spouse or significant-other to stay.
 
2018-03-06 12:42:29 PM  
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2018-03-06 12:43:38 PM  
Of all the things to complain about, this is pretty farking low on the priority list.
 
2018-03-06 12:44:24 PM  

BalugaJoe: Giving 500 million to Solyndra was okay.


As opposed to the billions to the oil companies?
 
2018-03-06 12:44:30 PM  
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/27/jason​-​chaffetz-congressmen-should-get-30000-​in-housing-subsidies.html

It's not like those in Congress didn't know what they were getting into with respect to salary and housing. If you don't want the job, don't run for office.

/good riddance
 
2018-03-06 12:47:18 PM  

Kuta: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/27/jason​-​chaffetz-congressmen-should-get-30000-​in-housing-subsidies.html

It's not like those in Congress didn't know what they were getting into with respect to salary and housing. If you don't want the job, don't run for office.

/good riddance


That being said, I don't want a requirement for running for Congress is that you are already rich.
 
2018-03-06 12:47:25 PM  

phalamir: My contention is that the feds need to find some place in the DC metro area to build a campus for Congresscritters.  All 535 get a suite - bedroom, main room with kitchenette, and bathroom.  Done in about the level of an above average but not Vegas-tacky hotel.   Basically a dorm for adults.  If you are a Congressman or Senator and want to live somewhere else, then go for it.  But if you are from Bare Ass, AR and cannot afford DC housing or rent, then here you go.


I like the idea. But for national security sake, let's do several smaller dorms scattered throughout the nearby neighborhood. It would be bad if someone decided to do an Oklahoma City and killed the entire legislature in one shot.
 
2018-03-06 12:47:35 PM  
I have my own ideas on the subject but they may prove controversial. They involve a large metal cage and a pay-per-view cable contract.

Also free parking and on-premise laundry facilities. You do not want to fill up three machines and then take off for three hours. Read the fine print.
 
2018-03-06 12:48:17 PM  
Republicans: We sleep in our offices because we're working so hard for our constituents.

Narrator: They're not.  They're really just a bunch of cheap millionaire farkers trying to make themselves out to be thrifty champions of the common man.  Keep your hand on your wallet at all times around any of these shady scumbags.
 
2018-03-06 12:48:55 PM  

Geotpf: Kuta: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/27/jason-​chaffetz-congressmen-should-get-30000-​in-housing-subsidies.html

It's not like those in Congress didn't know what they were getting into with respect to salary and housing. If you don't want the job, don't run for office.

/good riddance

That being said, I don't want a requirement for running for Congress is that you are already rich.


How do you feel about Congress members violating insider trading rules to make themselves fabulously rich from lobbyist information?
 
2018-03-06 12:49:52 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Geotpf: Kuta: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/27/jason-​chaffetz-congressmen-should-get-30000-​in-housing-subsidies.html

It's not like those in Congress didn't know what they were getting into with respect to salary and housing. If you don't want the job, don't run for office.

/good riddance

That being said, I don't want a requirement for running for Congress is that you are already rich.

How do you feel about Congress members violating insider trading rules to make themselves fabulously rich from lobbyist information?


Off topic, but that's bad.
 
2018-03-06 12:50:40 PM  
Basically "sleeping in the office" is code for having a DC mistress.
 
2018-03-06 12:51:13 PM  

phalamir: My contention is that the feds need to find some place in the DC metro area to build a campus for Congresscritters.  All 535 get a suite - bedroom, main room with kitchenette, and bathroom.  Done in about the level of an above average but not Vegas-tacky hotel.   Basically a dorm for adults.  If you are a Congressman or Senator and want to live somewhere else, then go for it.  But if you are from Bare Ass, AR and cannot afford DC housing or rent, then here you go.


Take back the Old Post Office since the current management is in violation of their lease and use it as congressional dorms.
 
2018-03-06 12:51:45 PM  

Geotpf: Kuta: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/27/jason-​chaffetz-congressmen-should-get-30000-​in-housing-subsidies.html

It's not like those in Congress didn't know what they were getting into with respect to salary and housing. If you don't want the job, don't run for office.

/good riddance

That being said, I don't want a requirement for running for Congress is that you are already rich.


Hey now they could also just be stupid or very easy to bribe!
 
2018-03-06 12:52:08 PM  
I'd much prefer that the dems work their way down the very long list of horrifying shiat Republicans are doing before worrying about this
 
2018-03-06 12:53:01 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I distinctly remember the GOP telling their own members not to use their offices as dorms back in '93-'94, after that big wave of new Congressmen showed up.


After each federal election cycle, new incoming Congressmen get an orientation. Part of that orientation is "Do not sleep in your office. It's a bad idea and can creep out aides working late"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/​c​ontent/article/2010/11/15/AR2010111504​004.html
"The new legislators talked about hiring staff -- some even interviewed potential staffers in the lobby. Others worried about housing. Tim Griffin(R-Ark.) said he'd decided to save money by sleeping on his office couch. Chip Cravaack(R-Minn.) said he'd asked around about that idea.
Apparently, it weirds people out.
"It makes the staff in the office uncomfortable," he said later. "They work late at night, and you have the member walking around in his pajamas."

There is an article from 2000 where Pence talked about the trouble trying to find a house for his family and having to pay $3000/month for rent.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archiv​e​/realestate/2000/12/16/newcomers-get-a​-rude-awakening/27a857be-939c-46cb-a30​2-56c16f173df5/?utm_term=.502905f60ef4​
 
2018-03-06 12:53:21 PM  
Why should I care about this, even a little?
 
2018-03-06 12:53:57 PM  

BalugaJoe: Waste of taxpayer funds.

Giving 500 million to Solyndra was okay.


Whatabout all those oil and gas industry subsidies?

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2018-03-06 12:54:07 PM  
I also didn't need the image of Paul Ryan nodding off on the cot in his office after jerking off to Atlas Shrugged for the billionth time.  News flash, Paul, you're not John Galt, you're just another farking parasite.
 
2018-03-06 12:54:55 PM  

Geotpf: Of all the things to complain about, this is pretty farking low on the priority list.


I'm on the opposite side - it bothers the absolute hell out of me.

I knew a full-time Army National Guard E-5 years ago who lost his full-time gig and ended up homeless  (largely due to one alcohol incident). Literally homeless. Long story short, the OIC discovered that he had been sleeping in an office at the armory for a couple of weeks. He threw the book at the NCO - there are about a dozen different regulations that are designed to stop the military from providing a free place to crash for traditional Reserve/Guard members who aren't in a duty status. He wasn't really being malicious. He just wanted to make sure that was a floodgate that couldn't be opened.

If that policy exists, it needs to be fair. It needs to apply across the entire government. Providing housing allowances or actual lodging facilities is fine, but non-housing facilities shouldn't be used in that way by anyone.
 
2018-03-06 12:55:42 PM  

wademh: The janitorial staff would like to request that at least one Congressman put his used grapefruit in the trash and not leave it on the floor under his desk.


And ammending the shared kitchen rules to limit the number of times any given grapefruit can be microwaved to one.
 
2018-03-06 12:58:08 PM  

Geotpf: Kuta: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/27/jason-​chaffetz-congressmen-should-get-30000-​in-housing-subsidies.html

It's not like those in Congress didn't know what they were getting into with respect to salary and housing. If you don't want the job, don't run for office.

/good riddance

That being said, I don't want a requirement for running for Congress is that you are already rich.


I was thinking about this as an issue.  The salary for a congress person is some 174k.  A great wage for anyone else but the top 1% wage in DC is some 500k.  How can we really expect these people to govern well when all the people trying to talk to them make more than them.

Yes its the CEO argument for the legislature but these people have power and responsibility.

Since we can't have philosophical pauper kings we should try for leaders rich enough that they can afford to be philosophical.  If you want people to be independent they have to have fark you money.

You could do a 1M/4M/10M for congress/senate/president and not even increase the budget by a full .1%
 
2018-03-06 12:59:18 PM  
Why can't they just fire them?
 
2018-03-06 01:05:37 PM  

Geotpf: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Geotpf: Kuta: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/27/jason-​chaffetz-congressmen-should-get-30000-​in-housing-subsidies.html

It's not like those in Congress didn't know what they were getting into with respect to salary and housing. If you don't want the job, don't run for office.

/good riddance

That being said, I don't want a requirement for running for Congress is that you are already rich.

How do you feel about Congress members violating insider trading rules to make themselves fabulously rich from lobbyist information?

Off topic, but that's bad.


The worst thing is they outlawed it after a huge stink then de-outlawed it after things settled down.

But yeah OT.
 
2018-03-06 01:06:02 PM  
Yeah, it's not the biggest problem in Congress but it is one that should be easy to fix.  It might get those farkers out in the world a bit as well, and maybe they might understand a little bit what it's like to actually live in the real world.  And if they don't think they make enough money to live in DC and also have a home back in their home state - then either don't run for Congress or maybe do something about it.  I'd be fine with members of Congress having a living expenses allowance.  Alternatively there are plenty of houses in S.E. DC that a few of them could split and live in dorm-style.
 
2018-03-06 01:13:18 PM  
Well, they can't seem to stop them from sleeping with interns and staffers. Maybe this is a sleep battle they can win.
 
2018-03-06 01:18:49 PM  

cefm: Yeah, it's not the biggest problem in Congress but it is one that should be easy to fix. It might get those farkers out in the world a bit as well, and maybe they might understand a little bit what it's like to actually live in the real world.  And if they don't think they make enough money to live in DC and also have a home back in their home state - then either don't run for Congress or maybe do something about it.  I'd be fine with members of Congress having a living expenses allowance.  Alternatively there are plenty of houses in S.E. DC that a few of them could split and live in dorm-style.



I bet they would be shocked how much bananas cost.

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2018-03-06 01:25:32 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I distinctly remember the GOP telling their own members not to use their offices as dorms back in '93-'94, after that big wave of new Congressmen showed up.


That's the problem though,  some of these guys who just made it into office are broke as hell.   A lot of freshmen Congress critters shack up like a frat house.  It's to damn expensive in dc.  If we don't let these reps who are are either to poor or too cheap stay in overnight then there's on more avenue for lobbiests to get their hooks in.   "Vote my way and you can stay at the Marriott".
 
2018-03-06 01:27:16 PM  

2xhelix: BalugaJoe: Waste of taxpayer funds.

Giving 500 million to Solyndra was okay.

That's barely half of what ExxonMobil got in subsidies.


I see the Fark WhataboutTM squad has leap into action.
 
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