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2018-03-06 08:24:05 AM  
Get out!
 
2018-03-06 08:28:38 AM  
Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with
 
2018-03-06 08:46:34 AM  
He should do a romantic comedy.
 
2018-03-06 09:07:34 AM  

rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with


I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus
 
2018-03-06 09:11:55 AM  
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2018-03-06 09:23:01 AM  
Kind of an interesting juxtaposition there. Lovecraft was an inveterate racist whose central themes could be boiled down to fear of the "other". Combine that with a road story of a black family dealing with Jim Crow era racism in which they themselves represent the "other".

Could be a good watch.
 
2018-03-06 09:25:17 AM  

Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus


Except, you know, good.
 
2018-03-06 09:28:37 AM  

Snapper Carr: Kind of an interesting juxtaposition there. Lovecraft was an inveterate racist whose central themes could be boiled down to fear of the "other". Combine that with a road story of a black family dealing with Jim Crow era racism in which they themselves represent the "other".

Could be a good watch.


Lovecraft was weird. He was intensely xenophobic. He not only didn't like colored people, he didn't like dark-skinned whites, Yankees, or rural Rhode Islanders. He didn't like people from the wrong street in Providence. Basically, his sense of "like" extended about 500 feet from his front door.

He then turned around and wrote a canon about cosmic horrors so vast that Earth was an anthill populated by not-especially-interesting ants. To his creatures, the ants could not only not be differentiated by race, they could hardly be noticed at all. Mankind could hold their own against only the most trivial of his monsters.

Weird dude.
 
2018-03-06 09:29:01 AM  

This text is now purple: Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus

Except, you know, good.


I was hoping/expecting more Cthulhu as well but it's apparently about people dealing with 1950s racists in the South.
 
2018-03-06 09:29:07 AM  
When asked to comment, director Yann Demange responded "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."
 
2018-03-06 09:29:50 AM  

Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus


It got scrapped because it was budgeted at $150 million.

Shape of Water cost $20 million. While it did decent box office returns, Del Toro didn't get the kind of clout with his Oscar win for an R-rated mega budget horror movie.
 
2018-03-06 09:35:31 AM  

stoli n coke: Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus

It got scrapped because it was budgeted at $150 million.

Shape of Water cost $20 million. While it did decent box office returns, Del Toro didn't get the kind of clout with his Oscar win for an R-rated mega budget horror movie.


 ... but there was a difference of opinion; the studio didn't think so. The R [rating] was what made it. If Mountains had been PG-13, or I had said PG-13 ... I'm too much of a Boy Scout, I should have lied, but I didn't.  -- http://collider.com/guillermo-del-​toro​-mountains-of-madness-artwork-video/#r​ating

It wasn't the budget, it was the R-Rating. PG-13 is a safer bet for big budget movies, so the studios balked when del Toro said he wanted an R-Rating.

While the budget was part of the consideration, it would've been green-lit if he'd told them it was supposed to be PG-13. There's a reason all the big budget blockbuster movies are PG-13. The Studios demand it
 
2018-03-06 09:42:08 AM  

Snapper Carr: Kind of an interesting juxtaposition there. Lovecraft was an inveterate racist whose central themes could be boiled down to fear of the "other". Combine that with a road story of a black family dealing with Jim Crow era racism in which they themselves represent the "other".

Could be a good watch.


yep

I'd also like to see Devils Wake filmed as well, though it's been optioned, i ain't heard anything in awhile

Already seen what the Authors ideas look like in short film

Danger Word (Horror Short) Starring Frankie Faison and Saoirse Scott
Youtube jPwwskSwy8g
 
2018-03-06 09:43:34 AM  

rcain: stoli n coke: Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus

It got scrapped because it was budgeted at $150 million.

Shape of Water cost $20 million. While it did decent box office returns, Del Toro didn't get the kind of clout with his Oscar win for an R-rated mega budget horror movie.

 ... but there was a difference of opinion; the studio didn't think so. The R [rating] was what made it. If Mountains had been PG-13, or I had said PG-13 ... I'm too much of a Boy Scout, I should have lied, but I didn't.  -- http://collider.com/guillermo-del-t​oro-mountains-of-madness-artwork-video​/#rating

It wasn't the budget, it was the R-Rating. PG-13 is a safer bet for big budget movies, so the studios balked when del Toro said he wanted an R-Rating.

While the budget was part of the consideration, it would've been green-lit if he'd told them it was supposed to be PG-13. There's a reason all the big budget blockbuster movies are PG-13. The Studios demand it


Creative freedom with the rating is directly associated with the budget. Has been ever since the MPAA ratings system started, and once studio budgets expanded beyond $100 million, it became scripture.
If fewer people can buy a ticket, the budget has to come down.
That's why Deadpool's budget was less than a third of most superhero movies. The filmmakers knew it would never get made with an R-rating if the budget was $200 million.
 
2018-03-06 09:48:09 AM  

Persnickety: When asked to comment, director Yann Demange responded "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."


...with a twang and a bit of bluegrass banjo.
 
2018-03-06 09:49:29 AM  

stoli n coke: Creative freedom with the rating is directly associated with the budget. Has been ever since the MPAA ratings system started, and once studio budgets expanded beyond $100 million, it became scripture.
If fewer people can buy a ticket, the budget has to come down.
That's why Deadpool's budget was less than a third of most superhero movies. The filmmakers knew it would never get made with an R-rating if the budget was $200 million.


that and the studio slashing a few million from the budget after it got the greenlight

but damn they spent what they had well
 
2018-03-06 09:53:09 AM  

rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with


Sorry, Cameron's going to be spending the next 25 years doing Avatar sequels no one asked for.
 
2018-03-06 09:53:53 AM  

This text is now purple: Snapper Carr: Kind of an interesting juxtaposition there. Lovecraft was an inveterate racist whose central themes could be boiled down to fear of the "other". Combine that with a road story of a black family dealing with Jim Crow era racism in which they themselves represent the "other".

Could be a good watch.

Lovecraft was weird. He was intensely xenophobic. He not only didn't like colored people, he didn't like dark-skinned whites, Yankees, or rural Rhode Islanders. He didn't like people from the wrong street in Providence. Basically, his sense of "like" extended about 500 feet from his front door.

He then turned around and wrote a canon about cosmic horrors so vast that Earth was an anthill populated by not-especially-interesting ants. To his creatures, the ants could not only not be differentiated by race, they could hardly be noticed at all. Mankind could hold their own against only the most trivial of his monsters.

Weird dude.


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2018-03-06 09:54:45 AM  

Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus


It got scrapped for two reasons: R-rating, and an all male cast with no love interest. Of course, with "inclusion rider" being thrown around now, there's no way it could be made unless half the cast was women.
 
2018-03-06 09:56:40 AM  

stoli n coke: Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus

It got scrapped because it was budgeted at $150 million.

Shape of Water cost $20 million. While it did decent box office returns, Del Toro didn't get the kind of clout with his Oscar win for an R-rated mega budget horror movie.


Pacific Rim had a $190M budget.

Del Toro, between PR, Blade II, and Hellboy, has proven he can carry a tentpole film.

At this point, you sort of know what you're getting with Del Toro. His films all have a certain feel.
 
2018-03-06 09:59:37 AM  

rcain: It got scrapped because it was budgeted at $150 million.

Shape of Water cost $20 million. While it did decent box office returns, Del Toro didn't get the kind of clout with his Oscar win for an R-rated mega budget horror movie.


 ... but there was a difference of opinion; the studio didn't think so. The R [rating] was what made it. If Mountains had been PG-13, or I had said PG-13 ... I'm too much of a Boy Scout, I should have lied, but I didn't.  -- http://collider.com/guillermo-del-t​oro-mountains-of-madness-artwork-video​/#rating

It wasn't the budget, it was the R-Rating. PG-13 is a safer bet for big budget movies, so the studios balked when del Toro said he wanted an R-Rating.


Prometheus had a budget of around $150M and it was rated R.
 
2018-03-06 10:03:01 AM  
You know why "At The Mountains of Madness" got scrapped?

Because it's boring-as-fark. It would make a terrible movie.

It works as a *short story* on paper (sort-of: I think it's overrated), because of the *mood*. NONE of that would translate to film, and you would end up with a 2 hour movie about some guys exploring a mostly-empty frozen city while trying to avoid killer penguins from outer space (yes, really).

And, if you are going to change it into an action move, then you *completely* lose the mood, which is the entire point of Lovecraft stories. You might as well forget about the Lovecraft adaptation and make your own "monsters in Antarctica" movie. Which, of course, has already been done. It's called "The Thing", and it's an unassailable classic.
 
2018-03-06 10:03:34 AM  

Mugato: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

Sorry, Cameron's going to be spending the next 25 years doing Avatar sequels no one asked for.


He's filming them all in one go -- which is why he's using the same cast, same characters, down to the same bad guy who died in the 1st one. Oh yes, these sequels are going to be awesome!
 
2018-03-06 10:07:51 AM  

realmolo: You know why "At The Mountains of Madness" got scrapped?

Because it's boring-as-fark. It would make a terrible movie.

It works as a *short story* on paper (sort-of: I think it's overrated), because of the *mood*. NONE of that would translate to film, and you would end up with a 2 hour movie about some guys exploring a mostly-empty frozen city while trying to avoid killer penguins from outer space (yes, really).

And, if you are going to change it into an action move, then you *completely* lose the mood, which is the entire point of Lovecraft stories. You might as well forget about the Lovecraft adaptation and make your own "monsters in Antarctica" movie. Which, of course, has already been done. It's called "The Thing", and it's an unassailable classic.


The penguins are not from space.
 
2018-03-06 10:09:10 AM  

This text is now purple: rcain: It got scrapped because it was budgeted at $150 million.

Shape of Water cost $20 million. While it did decent box office returns, Del Toro didn't get the kind of clout with his Oscar win for an R-rated mega budget horror movie.


 ... but there was a difference of opinion; the studio didn't think so. The R [rating] was what made it. If Mountains had been PG-13, or I had said PG-13 ... I'm too much of a Boy Scout, I should have lied, but I didn't.  -- http://collider.com/guillermo-del-t​oro-mountains-of-madness-artwork-video​/#rating

It wasn't the budget, it was the R-Rating. PG-13 is a safer bet for big budget movies, so the studios balked when del Toro said he wanted an R-Rating.

Prometheus had a budget of around $150M and it was rated R.


Because everything in life is so iron clad, especially when it comes to human decisions

You think that maybe it's tie-in to the Alien Franchise and Scott's name had maybe a tiny bit to do with that?
Also, its possible his Production Company put up some of that money to get that R-rating and a larger cut of the take. Guillermo del Toro's At the Mountains of Madness was being produced by James Cameron's Company, so del Toro couldn't play games with the finances like that
 
2018-03-06 10:11:14 AM  

This text is now purple: rcain: It got scrapped because it was budgeted at $150 million.

Shape of Water cost $20 million. While it did decent box office returns, Del Toro didn't get the kind of clout with his Oscar win for an R-rated mega budget horror movie.


 ... but there was a difference of opinion; the studio didn't think so. The R [rating] was what made it. If Mountains had been PG-13, or I had said PG-13 ... I'm too much of a Boy Scout, I should have lied, but I didn't.  -- http://collider.com/guillermo-del-t​oro-mountains-of-madness-artwork-video​/#rating

It wasn't the budget, it was the R-Rating. PG-13 is a safer bet for big budget movies, so the studios balked when del Toro said he wanted an R-Rating.

Prometheus had a budget of around $150M and it was rated R.


It also had Ridley Scott and was connected to an established and popular franchise.
 
2018-03-06 10:12:22 AM  

rcain: He's filming them all in one go -- which is why he's using the same cast, same characters, down to the same bad guy who died in the 1st one. Oh yes, these sequels are going to be awesome!


Yeah, I realize it's the #1 highest grossing film (not adjusting for inflation) but I don't know anyone IRL or on the net who's foaming at the mouth for a sequel. And by the time part 2 comes out it'll have been 10 years since the original.
 
2018-03-06 10:16:27 AM  

stoli n coke: It also had Ridley Scott and was connected to an established and popular franchise.


Scott obviously has juice. Prometheus was not well received and he still got to make one more subpar Alien movie.
 
2018-03-06 10:18:42 AM  

Mugato: stoli n coke: It also had Ridley Scott and was connected to an established and popular franchise.

Scott obviously has juice. Prometheus was not well received and he still got to make one more subpar Alien movie.


His production company also helps get foreign financing.
 
2018-03-06 10:31:33 AM  

Eravior: This text is now purple: Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus

Except, you know, good.

I was hoping/expecting more Cthulhu as well but it's apparently about people dealing with 1950s racists in the South.


Not just the South. A lot of the story is set in Chicago and New England.
 
2018-03-06 10:35:24 AM  

Mugato: rcain: He's filming them all in one go -- which is why he's using the same cast, same characters, down to the same bad guy who died in the 1st one. Oh yes, these sequels are going to be awesome!

Yeah, I realize it's the #1 highest grossing film (not adjusting for inflation) but I don't know anyone IRL or on the net who's foaming at the mouth for a sequel. And by the time part 2 comes out it'll have been 10 years since the original.


I never saw the original and cannot think of a single pop culture reference I missed out on a result.  It's weird for such a financially successful film to have such insignificant cultural impact.  Gone With the Wind, Titanic, ET, etc... all have a ton of references attached to them.  Avatar has none.  It's weird.
 
2018-03-06 10:37:31 AM  

rcain: stoli n coke: Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus

It got scrapped because it was budgeted at $150 million.

Shape of Water cost $20 million. While it did decent box office returns, Del Toro didn't get the kind of clout with his Oscar win for an R-rated mega budget horror movie.

 ... but there was a difference of opinion; the studio didn't think so. The R [rating] was what made it. If Mountains had been PG-13, or I had said PG-13 ... I'm too much of a Boy Scout, I should have lied, but I didn't.  -- http://collider.com/guillermo-del-t​oro-mountains-of-madness-artwork-video​/#rating

It wasn't the budget, it was the R-Rating. PG-13 is a safer bet for big budget movies, so the studios balked when del Toro said he wanted an R-Rating.

While the budget was part of the consideration, it would've been green-lit if he'd told them it was supposed to be PG-13. There's a reason all the big budget blockbuster movies are PG-13. The Studios demand it


So exactly what made it R-rates to begin with? The story is really about psychic dread, so there is minimal gore. Plus you kind of have to go out of your way to add nudity and language. It just seems like you could pull it off in PG-13 form with minimal compromises to the story and the horror.

And as far as the movie being a sausage fest, just gender-flip a few characters. No biggie, because there's really no explicit need for them to be male to play their part. You could also go for the obvious thing and make Danforth female and a love interest for Dyer, but you'd really need to write it well to avoid the typical tropes of a romantic subplot in a horror movie, maybe by adding in an underlying theme of the horror of losing a romantic partner to mental illness on top of the more obvious theme of cosmic horror. If done right, it could add weight to Danforth's loss of sanity at the end. Or if you want a female lead, swap Dyer and Danforth.

There's just a lot of ways you could update and expand the story into something for modern audiences. As always it is about execution. Done poorly, the updates would be a travesty, but with the right writers you could probably elevate the material into something that really resonates.
 
2018-03-06 10:38:37 AM  

Eravior: This text is now purple: Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus

Except, you know, good.

I was hoping/expecting more Cthulhu as well but it's apparently about people dealing with 1950s racists in the South.


There is supernatural stuff in the story though, although not strictly from the Lovecraft mythos. Lovecraft and Lovecraftian novels exist in the universe of the novel and the protagonists are familiar with them.
 
2018-03-06 10:41:42 AM  

FLMountainMan: I never saw the original and cannot think of a single pop culture reference I missed out on a result.  It's weird for such a financially successful film to have such insignificant cultural impact.  Gone With the Wind, Titanic, ET, etc... all have a ton of references attached to them.  Avatar has none.  It's weird.


I think it was a mixture of little competition and that it was the first in the big resurgence of 3D, with Cameron's fancy 3D cameras (which still use the same pop-up book technology). People aren't as impressed with that nowadays.
 
2018-03-06 10:42:52 AM  

BafflerMeal: realmolo: You know why "At The Mountains of Madness" got scrapped?

Because it's boring-as-fark. It would make a terrible movie.

It works as a *short story* on paper (sort-of: I think it's overrated), because of the *mood*. NONE of that would translate to film, and you would end up with a 2 hour movie about some guys exploring a mostly-empty frozen city while trying to avoid killer penguins from outer space (yes, really).

And, if you are going to change it into an action move, then you *completely* lose the mood, which is the entire point of Lovecraft stories. You might as well forget about the Lovecraft adaptation and make your own "monsters in Antarctica" movie. Which, of course, has already been done. It's called "The Thing", and it's an unassailable classic.

The penguins are not from space.



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2018-03-06 10:58:46 AM  
Can someone explain what I missed about "Get Out" that makes it worth winning all of those awards?  It was a decent movie, but I was pretty far from blown away.  For his first movie, I'll definitely give Peele credit for a solid enough story, but still.

Ultimately it was a movie that I've seen once and really don't give a damn about seeing again.  There wasn't anything that I feel a second watch is going to uncover, and all of the creepy bits will have been explained.

Maybe it was all of the expectations I had going in to it.  I heard all of these rave reviews about it, but by the time I finally saw it, I felt completely let down.  It was the Napoleon Dynamite of psychological thrillers.
 
2018-03-06 11:09:18 AM  

Spindle: Can someone explain what I missed about "Get Out" that makes it worth winning all of those awards?


Beats me. It felt like a really long Twilight Zone episode more than an Oscar winning film.
 
2018-03-06 11:12:38 AM  

Mugato: Spindle: Can someone explain what I missed about "Get Out" that makes it worth winning all of those awards?

Beats me. It felt like a really long Twilight Zone episode more than an Oscar winning film.


That is the most succinct way to describe the movie that I can think of.  I would have said it was Invasion Of The Body Snatchers with a mad scientist instead of aliens, but I like your summary better.
 
2018-03-06 11:28:16 AM  

Spindle: Can someone explain what I missed about "Get Out" that makes it worth winning all of those awards?  It was a decent movie, but I was pretty far from blown away.  For his first movie, I'll definitely give Peele credit for a solid enough story, but still.


I Googled "significance of get out" and found a whole slew of articles you could read if you were actually looking to change your mind about it.
 
2018-03-06 11:33:45 AM  
This show may actually drive me to subscribe to HBO. I love me some Lovecraft.
 
2018-03-06 11:34:28 AM  

This text is now purple: stoli n coke: Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus

It got scrapped because it was budgeted at $150 million.

Shape of Water cost $20 million. While it did decent box office returns, Del Toro didn't get the kind of clout with his Oscar win for an R-rated mega budget horror movie.

Pacific Rim had a $190M budget.

Del Toro, between PR, Blade II, and Hellboy, has proven he can carry a tentpole film.

At this point, you sort of know what you're getting with Del Toro. His films all have a certain feel.


Doug Jones in makeup
 
2018-03-06 11:39:22 AM  

Spindle: Can someone explain what I missed about "Get Out" that makes it worth winning all of those awards?  It was a decent movie, but I was pretty far from blown away.  For his first movie, I'll definitely give Peele credit for a solid enough story, but still.

Ultimately it was a movie that I've seen once and really don't give a damn about seeing again.  There wasn't anything that I feel a second watch is going to uncover, and all of the creepy bits will have been explained.

Maybe it was all of the expectations I had going in to it.  I heard all of these rave reviews about it, but by the time I finally saw it, I felt completely let down.  It was the Napoleon Dynamite of psychological thrillers.


Probably because you don't have an emotional connection to the protagonist
 
2018-03-06 11:42:11 AM  

Snapper Carr: Kind of an interesting juxtaposition there. Lovecraft was an inveterate racist whose central themes could be boiled down to fear of the "other". Combine that with a road story of a black family dealing with Jim Crow era racism in which they themselves represent the "other".

Could be a good watch.


It's a good book. It's sort of a collection of events however so it'll be interesting to see how they present that as a movie.
 
2018-03-06 11:42:41 AM  

Mad_Radhu: rcain: stoli n coke: Summoner101: rcain: Guillermo del Toro and James Cameron should dust off their treatment for At the Mountains of Madness that got passed on by all the major studios a few years back because they wanted to go with an R-rating and shop it around again. Maybe Amazon or Netflix would want to pick it up, it'd kill and eat anything Peele and J.J. came up with

I thought it got scrapped because it was too similar to Prometheus

It got scrapped because it was budgeted at $150 million.

Shape of Water cost $20 million. While it did decent box office returns, Del Toro didn't get the kind of clout with his Oscar win for an R-rated mega budget horror movie.

 ... but there was a difference of opinion; the studio didn't think so. The R [rating] was what made it. If Mountains had been PG-13, or I had said PG-13 ... I'm too much of a Boy Scout, I should have lied, but I didn't.  -- http://collider.com/guillermo-del-t​oro-mountains-of-madness-artwork-video​/#rating

It wasn't the budget, it was the R-Rating. PG-13 is a safer bet for big budget movies, so the studios balked when del Toro said he wanted an R-Rating.

While the budget was part of the consideration, it would've been green-lit if he'd told them it was supposed to be PG-13. There's a reason all the big budget blockbuster movies are PG-13. The Studios demand it

So exactly what made it R-rates to begin with? The story is really about psychic dread, so there is minimal gore. Plus you kind of have to go out of your way to add nudity and language. It just seems like you could pull it off in PG-13 form with minimal compromises to the story and the horror.

And as far as the movie being a sausage fest, just gender-flip a few characters. No biggie, because there's really no explicit need for them to be male to play their part. You could also go for the obvious thing and make Danforth female and a love interest for Dyer, but you'd really need to write it well to avoid the typical tropes of a romantic subplot ...


I agree, but even with women cast in the movie, there is no need for a love interest.  Men and women can actually work together professionally without falling in love.

Or they can make it the setting for the next Laura Croft movie.
 
2018-03-06 11:50:24 AM  

skreeonk: Spindle: Can someone explain what I missed about "Get Out" that makes it worth winning all of those awards?  It was a decent movie, but I was pretty far from blown away.  For his first movie, I'll definitely give Peele credit for a solid enough story, but still.

I Googled "significance of get out" and found a whole slew of articles you could read if you were actually looking to change your mind about it.


I did just that and the articles came up did help spell out a lot of the symbolism that I missed.  I can at least see why that made it Oscar bait, as it told the tale of white oppression through symbolism instead of the story itself.  Admittedly as a very literal person, symbolism like that goes unnoticed, but I'm still not in a rush to watch it again
 
2018-03-06 11:51:55 AM  

skreeonk: I Googled "significance of get out" and found a whole slew of articles you could read if you were actually looking to change your mind about it.


Stopped reading here

And that, to me, was this metaphor for the black horror audience, a very loyal fan base who comes to these movies, and we're the ones that are going to die first

I'm so tired of that cliche. When was the last time that actually happened?
 
2018-03-06 11:53:26 AM  
Maybe they'll option the Alan Moore story that was done about Nemo's daughter's expedition to the Antarctic.
 
2018-03-06 12:31:39 PM  

skreeonk: Spindle: Can someone explain what I missed about "Get Out" that makes it worth winning all of those awards?  It was a decent movie, but I was pretty far from blown away.  For his first movie, I'll definitely give Peele credit for a solid enough story, but still.

I Googled "significance of get out" and found a whole slew of articles you could read if you were actually looking to change your mind about it.


If you go in looking at only the very surface and assume they could have swapped out everyone for white people, then yeah it could be just a long Twilight Zone episode. It's the underlying allegory with black/white power dynamics that's so disturbing and what elevates it beyond just a decent horror movie.
 
2018-03-06 12:34:55 PM  

Omnidirectional Punching: If you go in looking at only the very surface and assume they could have swapped out everyone for white people


No, of course they couldn't. The (rather ham fisted) allegory depended on the black characters but The Twilight Zone often had allegories like that. Sort of what it's known for. That and the creature tormenting Shatner on that plane.
 
2018-03-06 01:09:37 PM  

Spindle: and the articles came up did help spell out a lot of the symbolism that I missed.  I can at least see why that made it Oscar bait, as it told the tale of white oppression through symbolism instead of the story itself.  Admittedly as a very literal person, symbolism like that goes unnoticed, but I'm still not in a rush to watch it again


It's normal to not connect with every single movie that becomes a pop culture icon.
 
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