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2018-03-06 01:09:31 PM  
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2018-03-06 01:59:07 PM  
Seems like someone wants a follow-up movie.  I hope they get it and it doesn't just end on the cliffhanger.

And no, a follow-up comic book five years from now isn't good enough.
 
2018-03-06 02:03:34 PM  

NeoCortex42: Seems like someone wants a follow-up movie.  I hope they get it and it doesn't just end on the cliffhanger.

And no, a follow-up comic book five years from now isn't good enough.


Dave Filoni has been hinting that another animated series is in the works. I kind of hope it involves Ahsoka and Sabine hunting for Ezra between RotJ and TFA, perhaps encountering the beginnings of the First Order and the Knights of Ren.
 
2018-03-06 02:07:56 PM  
Just caught it. And it was NOT what I was thinking that it was going to be, in the least. And it was better than the expected big huge battle. Not to mention, Ezra's final decision, which he's been working towards for a while. As was his Master.

The ending sewed things up, in canon. Down to a certain bearded fella on Leia's mission to Endor which they've been sneaking towards a retcon for pretty much for the entire run of Rebels. It hit all the notes, and did it in a way that was hardly saccharine, but entirely satisfying, including the hope for a new series, which they should get given the success of this run. Even a nice ending for Hondo. I have rarely been as satisfied for a series finale.
 
2018-03-06 02:43:33 PM  
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2018-03-06 02:53:31 PM  

NeoCortex42: Seems like someone wants a follow-up movie.  I hope they get it and it doesn't just end on the cliffhanger.

And no, a follow-up comic book five years from now isn't good enough.


I wonder if the friends in the Outer Rim Leia mentions at the end of Last Jedi are on Lothal.
 
2018-03-06 03:15:05 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: NeoCortex42: Seems like someone wants a follow-up movie.  I hope they get it and it doesn't just end on the cliffhanger.

And no, a follow-up comic book five years from now isn't good enough.

I wonder if the friends in the Outer Rim Leia mentions at the end of Last Jedi are on Lothal.


dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity. so probably not.

anyways...this closes out a run of what is clearly the best Star Wars series to date...knocking Droids down to a retconned into non-canon 2nd place.
 
2018-03-06 04:11:04 PM  

Stratohead: dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity.


Oh I could use a good laugh; please explain to me how Johnson wafted his ass at existing continuity?
 
2018-03-06 04:21:04 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: Stratohead: dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity.

Oh I could use a good laugh; please explain to me how Johnson wafted his ass at existing continuity?


Their pet theory about Rey being Luke's daughter/Snoke being Plageuis/Luke being Kylo Ren wasn't kept in crappy fan fiction where it belonged, instead of being made canon.
 
2018-03-06 04:39:21 PM  
I watch it this afternoon and really enjoyed it. I even shed a tear at one point. It was a great series and I am sad to see it end. But, it was a great ending.
 
2018-03-06 04:41:34 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: Stratohead: dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity.

Oh I could use a good laugh; please explain to me how Johnson wafted his ass at existing continuity?


Force ghosts can now interact with the living world and are no longer transparent.

Astral projection is now possible.  These astral projections have weight.

Objects can be transported across the galaxy.

The force has an asshole.

You can use hyper space as a weapon.

The force can allow you to fly and be immune to the effects of being in space.

You can track through hyper space.

A galaxy that can't remember if the Jedi and the force were real remember a specific ship from 30 years ago.
 
2018-03-06 04:48:28 PM  

mjbok: KingBiefWhistle: Stratohead: dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity.

Oh I could use a good laugh; please explain to me how Johnson wafted his ass at existing continuity?

Force ghosts can now interact with the living world and are no longer transparent.

Astral projection is now possible.  These astral projections have weight.

Objects can be transported across the galaxy.

The force has an asshole.

You can use hyper space as a weapon.

The force can allow you to fly and be immune to the effects of being in space.

You can track through hyper space.

A galaxy that can't remember if the Jedi and the force were real remember a specific ship from 30 years ago.


In a franchise with magic space wizards, robots that have sentient personalities, and space hotrods that routinely go FTL, THESE are the "No man, I can't suspend my disbelief anymore" issues that cause people to draw the line?
 
2018-03-06 04:54:36 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: mjbok: KingBiefWhistle: Stratohead: dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity.

Oh I could use a good laugh; please explain to me how Johnson wafted his ass at existing continuity?

Force ghosts can now interact with the living world and are no longer transparent.

Astral projection is now possible.  These astral projections have weight.

Objects can be transported across the galaxy.

The force has an asshole.

You can use hyper space as a weapon.

The force can allow you to fly and be immune to the effects of being in space.

You can track through hyper space.

A galaxy that can't remember if the Jedi and the force were real remember a specific ship from 30 years ago.

In a franchise with magic space wizards, robots that have sentient personalities, and space hotrods that routinely go FTL, THESE are the "No man, I can't suspend my disbelief anymore" issues that cause people to draw the line?


When you create a universe you can create any rules you want.  Within an established universe you should adhere to the established rules
 
2018-03-06 04:59:42 PM  

cgraves67: NeoCortex42: Seems like someone wants a follow-up movie.  I hope they get it and it doesn't just end on the cliffhanger.

And no, a follow-up comic book five years from now isn't good enough.

Dave Filoni has been hinting that another animated series is in the works. I kind of hope it involves Ahsoka and Sabine hunting for Ezra between RotJ and TFA, perhaps encountering the beginnings of the First Order and the Knights of Ren.


Sploosh!
 
2018-03-06 05:03:14 PM  

mjbok: ThatBillmanGuy: mjbok: KingBiefWhistle: Stratohead: dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity.

Oh I could use a good laugh; please explain to me how Johnson wafted his ass at existing continuity?

Force ghosts can now interact with the living world and are no longer transparent.

Astral projection is now possible.  These astral projections have weight.

Objects can be transported across the galaxy.

The force has an asshole.

You can use hyper space as a weapon.

The force can allow you to fly and be immune to the effects of being in space.

You can track through hyper space.

A galaxy that can't remember if the Jedi and the force were real remember a specific ship from 30 years ago.

In a franchise with magic space wizards, robots that have sentient personalities, and space hotrods that routinely go FTL, THESE are the "No man, I can't suspend my disbelief anymore" issues that cause people to draw the line?

When you create a universe you can create any rules you want.  Within an established universe you should adhere to the established rules


Not a single one of those things you listed breaks any "rules".
They're just things you never saw before, but didn't like when you did see them, so now you're crying because they exist.  Did you make a similar list when you saw the other movies ("The Force can't be used to make ghosts!  The Force can't be used to shoot lightning!")
And some of them, I'm not even sure what you're talking about.  What objected was transported across the galaxy?  The dice?  They were an illusion.
 
2018-03-06 05:04:40 PM  

mjbok: ThatBillmanGuy: mjbok: KingBiefWhistle: Stratohead: dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity.

Oh I could use a good laugh; please explain to me how Johnson wafted his ass at existing continuity?

Force ghosts can now interact with the living world and are no longer transparent.

Astral projection is now possible.  These astral projections have weight.

Objects can be transported across the galaxy.

The force has an asshole.

You can use hyper space as a weapon.

The force can allow you to fly and be immune to the effects of being in space.

You can track through hyper space.

A galaxy that can't remember if the Jedi and the force were real remember a specific ship from 30 years ago.

In a franchise with magic space wizards, robots that have sentient personalities, and space hotrods that routinely go FTL, THESE are the "No man, I can't suspend my disbelief anymore" issues that cause people to draw the line?

When you create a universe you can create any rules you want.  Within an established universe you should adhere to the established rules


I agree. But I don't think any of those examples break the universe. 

Especially the space thing. You actually can survive in a vacuum and the coldness of space for a brief period. And they've also done that in both Star Trek Discovery and Guardians of the Galaxy recently, but for some reason, Star Wars is people are saying "impossible!"
 
2018-03-06 05:10:09 PM  

mjbok: KingBiefWhistle: Stratohead: dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity.

Oh I could use a good laugh; please explain to me how Johnson wafted his ass at existing continuity?

Force ghosts can now interact with the living world and are no longer transparent.

Astral projection is now possible.  These astral projections have weight.

Objects can be transported across the galaxy.

The force has an asshole.

You can use hyper space as a weapon.

The force can allow you to fly and be immune to the effects of being in space.

You can track through hyper space.

A galaxy that can't remember if the Jedi and the force were real remember a specific ship from 30 years ago.


Wow everything you just said is stupid.

And I'll let you in on a little secret....all those things have been part of SW universe in one medium or another FOR DECADES.
 
2018-03-06 05:20:53 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: but for some reason, Star Wars is people are saying "impossible!"


Always with them what cannot be done.
 
2018-03-06 05:37:22 PM  
The notion that if we haven't seen it in a previous Star Wars movie before, therefore it can't be done, is ridiculous. The Star Wars universe is vast and mysterious, but there can't be anything new?

That's about the worst sort of fanboy there is.
 
2018-03-06 05:37:44 PM  

Bslim: Wow everything you just said is stupid.

And I'll let you in on a little secret....all those things have been part of SW universe in one medium or another FOR DECADES.


In what medium was a force ghost solid (read not transparent)?  In what medium was a force ghost able to interact with the living world (no, sitting on a log doesn't count).  In what medium was a Jedi able to transport physical objects across the galaxy?  When was a ship at light speed used as a weapon?

Don't say EU for any of your answers since those don't count (neither do space rabbits).

Rev. Skarekroe: What objected was transported across the galaxy? The dice? They were an illusion.


The dice.  They had weight, they were held.  Also the water.  The water is more far fetched than dice.

The tracking through hyper space you can write off to improvements in technology.

For the record the fact that Kylo stopped blaster fire in TFA also bothered me.  You have hundreds of Jedi at the height of their powers and none of them can do that, but a half trained Sith can do it easily?

//I would guess you would also defend transporters in NuTrek being able to transport across the galaxy.
 
2018-03-06 06:05:45 PM  

mjbok: Bslim: Wow everything you just said is stupid.

And I'll let you in on a little secret....all those things have been part of SW universe in one medium or another FOR DECADES.

In what medium was a force ghost solid (read not transparent)?  In what medium was a force ghost able to interact with the living world (no, sitting on a log doesn't count).  In what medium was a Jedi able to transport physical objects across the galaxy?  When was a ship at light speed used as a weapon?

Don't say EU for any of your answers since those don't count (neither do space rabbits).

Rev. Skarekroe: What objected was transported across the galaxy? The dice? They were an illusion.

The dice.  They had weight, they were held.  Also the water.  The water is more far fetched than dice.

The tracking through hyper space you can write off to improvements in technology.

For the record the fact that Kylo stopped blaster fire in TFA also bothered me.  You have hundreds of Jedi at the height of their powers and none of them can do that, but a half trained Sith can do it easily?

//I would guess you would also defend transporters in NuTrek being able to transport across the galaxy.


Were any of the force tricks used in the original trilogy set up somehow and explained beforehand?

Why were those the only force tricks available?

You sound like you have no interest in expanding the Star Wars mythos and just want to watch the same thing over and over again. No thanks.
 
2018-03-06 06:08:28 PM  
 
2018-03-06 06:08:51 PM  
mjbok:
Force ghosts can now interact with the living world and are no longer transparent.
Force powers have been added in pretty much every movie.

Astral projection is now possible.  These astral projections have weight.
What weight?  Luke didn't disturb the ground he was walking on as a projection.

Objects can be transported across the galaxy.
Okay, I'm not sure I'm remembering this part.  What object was transported?

The force has an asshole.
Everybody poops.  Even the force.

You can use hyper space as a weapon.
Makes perfect sense to me.  I was only surprised it hadn't been done on-screen before.

The force can allow you to fly and be immune to the effects of being in space.
Already established in Rebels prior to TLJ.

You can track through hyper space.
Already established in Rogue One prior to TLJ.

A galaxy that can't remember if the Jedi and the force were real remember a specific ship from 30 years ago.
The series has always been terrible on that.  That's not unique to TLJ.  Considering how major the Jedi were in the prequels, it made no sense for them to be considered almost mythical or forgotten by the time of the Original Trilogy.
 
2018-03-06 06:19:23 PM  
We're missing the main point engaging with mjbok's pedantry, Sabine might be getting her own movie or show!!
 
2018-03-06 06:19:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: Force powers have been added in pretty much every movie.

That is true, but after 6 (now 7 before 8) shouldn't we have seen the run of them?  Especially since the Jedi (and the Sith) were more powerful previously.

NeoCortex42: What weight? Luke didn't disturb the ground he was walking on as a projection.

Dice.  Leia held them.  And didn't he hug her?

NeoCortex42: Okay, I'm not sure I'm remembering this part. What object was transported?

Water

NeoCortex42: Everybody poops. Even the force

This was a joke, just thought it was an odd aesthetic choice.

NeoCortex42: Already established in Rebels prior to TLJ.

Must have missed this.  Don't remember it.

NeoCortex42: That's not unique to TLJ. Considering how major the Jedi were in the prequels, it made no sense for them to be considered almost mythical or forgotten by the time of the Original Trilogy.

This was specific to "they hate that ship!".  Outside of Kylo Ren (and even he's questionable, the Falcon would not be known.

I notice you didn't address Yoda's force ghost being solid.  Honestly that bothered me more than any of the others (though the Leia in space was cringe inducing).  It's a specific choice and makes no sense.
 
2018-03-06 06:21:39 PM  

doglover: We're missing the main point engaging with mjbok's pedantry, Sabine might be getting her own movie or show!!


Rebels was great in spots.  Better at its heights than either VII or VIII, but the complete lack of danger in the show (especially in earlier seasons was terrible.  They showed zero fear about engaging Storm Troopers, just joking and bouncing around.  You could say the Jedi were the same way, but I'm talking more about Sabine and Zed.
 
2018-03-06 06:36:43 PM  

mjbok: doglover: We're missing the main point engaging with mjbok's pedantry, Sabine might be getting her own movie or show!!

Rebels was great in spots.  Better at its heights than either VII or VIII, but the complete lack of danger in the show (especially in earlier seasons was terrible.  They showed zero fear about engaging Storm Troopers, just joking and bouncing around.  You could say the Jedi were the same way, but I'm talking more about Sabine and Zed.


I was, from the very first time I saw Mark Hammil on screen, always perplexed by the lack of safety rails in Star Wars.

Rebels was no exception.
 
2018-03-06 06:40:40 PM  

mjbok: In what medium was a force ghost solid (read not transparent)?  In what medium was a force ghost able to interact with the living world (no, sitting on a log doesn't count).  In what medium was a Jedi able to transport physical objects across the galaxy?  When was a ship at light speed used as a weapon?

Don't say EU for any of your answers since those don't count (neither do space rabbits).


You want to know why Force ghosts were hazy blue?  Because 1980s effects were SHIAT compared to today.

Moreover, why doesn't sitting on a log count?  Because it proves you wrong?  You ask in what medium, and then discount all media except the 7 movies before the Disney takeover (there was the shiatty Clone Wars movie in theaters, with Skyguy's apprentice and Fabulous the Hutt).

How do you propose introducing new Force abilities?  Have a footnote in the opening scroll (*Rey has studied Force Mend, it's super effective)?  Find a book of Jedi spells that the character has to be shown studying from?  Or if it wasn't in the OT, it doesn't exist, could never exist, and the Force can only make lightning, mind tricks, low-level telekinesis, choking, and mildly increased jumping length?

For the record the fact that Kylo stopped blaster fire in TFA also bothered me.  You have hundreds of Jedi at the height of their powers and none of them can do that, but a half trained Sith can do it easily?

The standard fanboy reason is because, at their height, there were a lot more Jedi, so the Light Side was dispersed, whereas the Dark Side was concentrated in 2 Sith. The Jedi were taking up a lot of bandwidth, so weren't as powerful. Fast forward a few decades, and there are 2 Dark side users, and 1 very powerful Jedi, 1 untrained Force user (Leia, not Rey, because as of that point she hasn't felt the Force/hasn't been on camera yet). Fewer people hogging up all the Force, so they can do more stuff.  Also, the blaster trick isn't too far off from what Vader did.

The force has an asshole.

It also has a shrubbery.  Had, rather.  Some Knights are going to have to find another shrubbery, and cut down the biggest tree in the forest with a porg.
 
2018-03-06 06:45:58 PM  

Confabulat: The notion that if we haven't seen it in a previous Star Wars movie before, therefore it can't be done, is ridiculous. The Star Wars universe is vast and mysterious, but there can't be anything new?

That's about the worst sort of fanboy there is.


I'll wait to hold that view until Star Wars Fanboys are jumping on counters demanding Twi'Lek sauce, proclaiming they are "Green Milk LUUUUKE!!!!"
 
2018-03-06 06:58:47 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Confabulat: The notion that if we haven't seen it in a previous Star Wars movie before, therefore it can't be done, is ridiculous. The Star Wars universe is vast and mysterious, but there can't be anything new?

That's about the worst sort of fanboy there is.

I'll wait to hold that view until Star Wars Fanboys are jumping on counters demanding Twi'Lek sauce, proclaiming they are "Green Milk LUUUUKE!!!!"


I would jump on a lot of things for a saucy twi'lek.
 
2018-03-06 07:06:34 PM  

Duck_of_Doom: You want to know why Force ghosts were hazy blue? Because 1980s effects were SHIAT compared to today.


Your statement is true about effects quality, but the first part is bullshiat.  You know what would have been easier?  Just have them be transparent.  Adding the blue hue was more difficult than not.  Or be like the new movie and have them not be transparent at all.

Duck_of_Doom: Moreover, why doesn't sitting on a log count?


Because if they couldn't sit on a log they couldn't stand on the ground, they would just float in the air.  I didn't establish the rules.

Duck_of_Doom: You ask in what medium, and then discount all media except the 7 movies before the Disney takeover


Blame Disney, that was their decision, not mine.  But name examples of most of the other things even in the EU if you think that proves your point.

Duck_of_Doom: Or if it wasn't in the OT, it doesn't exist, could never exist, and the Force can only make lightning, mind tricks, low-level telekinesis, choking, and mildly increased jumping length?


Between the OT, the PT and the probably hundred hours of Rebels and Clone Wars the force abilities should be fairly well established.

Duck_of_Doom: Also, the blaster trick isn't too far off from what Vader did.


Vader blocked the bolts from Han with his gloved hand.  It is completely different.

Duck_of_Doom: The Jedi were taking up a lot of bandwidth, so weren't as powerful. Fast forward a few decades, and there are 2 Dark side users, and 1 very powerful Jedi, 1 untrained Force user (Leia, not Rey, because as of that point she hasn't felt the Force/hasn't been on camera yet). Fewer people hogging up all the Force, so they can do more stuff.


So you're saying there's a finite amount of force?  It's like a series of tubes?
 
2018-03-06 07:13:38 PM  
The thing that makes Star Wars better than Trek is that we told the nerdlingers to blow it out their ass for explaining the mechanics of space magic
 
2018-03-06 07:29:49 PM  
A lot of the stuff in TLJ seemed to violate the universe's rules to me. But if it didn't bother you, that's fine.

However, if all the weird shiat in TLJ didn't bother you, but at the same time you think Han Solo shooting three or four frames later completely and unforgivably destroys his character, then you have no credibility. You can't have it both ways.
 
2018-03-06 07:32:16 PM  
Let's not overlook something important.

Ahsoka Tano lived through the Empire.  There were no other Jedi?  Right, because she isn't a Jedi.  Nice opening for lots of other former totally not Jedis to be running around out there.
 
2018-03-06 07:47:42 PM  
mjbok:

I don't agree with a lot of what you said, but that's ok. This isn't the Politics tab, where you can be demonstrably wrong about things.  :-)  I think there is room for SW to grow, for new abilities and technology to be revealed. If they keep the power creep in check I'm ok to see what they throw us. Starkiller Base stretched my tolerance a bit, but that's me. The hyperspace ramming and military tactics others can argue, not my forte.

Duck_of_Doom: The Jedi were taking up a lot of bandwidth, so weren't as powerful. Fast forward a few decades, and there are 2 Dark side users, and 1 very powerful Jedi, 1 untrained Force user (Leia, not Rey, because as of that point she hasn't felt the Force/hasn't been on camera yet). Fewer people hogging up all the Force, so they can do more stuff.

So you're saying there's a finite amount of force?  It's like a series of tubes?


I agree with you here. The idea of balance in the Force being a numbers game sounds like garbage, and typical George Lucas - a spreadsheet explanation for something mystical and awe-inspiring. I don't agree, but it is one fan theory. My own is that the balance refers to the balance within the individual Force user, and eliminating one side completely doesn't bring balance but creates a very real and dangerous imbalance. But that's a TL;DR for another time, since I'm already way off topic.
 
2018-03-06 08:00:23 PM  
Sabine and Ahsoka looking for Ezra after he floated away with Thrawn in a whale powered Star Destroyer, set after Endor.  I'll say it again.  He's Snoke.
 
2018-03-06 08:01:32 PM  

Chemlight Battery: A lot of the stuff in TLJ seemed to violate the universe's rules to me. But if it didn't bother you, that's fine.

However, if all the weird shiat in TLJ didn't bother you, but at the same time you think Han Solo shooting three or four frames later completely and unforgivably destroys his character, then you have no credibility. You can't have it both ways.


Yes you can.
 
2018-03-06 08:03:13 PM  

Fano: Chemlight Battery: A lot of the stuff in TLJ seemed to violate the universe's rules to me. But if it didn't bother you, that's fine.

However, if all the weird shiat in TLJ didn't bother you, but at the same time you think Han Solo shooting three or four frames later completely and unforgivably destroys his character, then you have no credibility. You can't have it both ways.

Yes you can.


Allow me to revise. You can have it both ways. You just can't have it both ways and retain credibility.
 
2018-03-06 08:03:27 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Let's not overlook something important.

Ahsoka Tano lived through the Empire.  There were no other Jedi?  Right, because she isn't a Jedi.  Nice opening for lots of other former totally not Jedis to be running around out there.


That's how the old WEG SWRPG worked. There were failed jedi, alien jedi, Force adepts, but no Capital J Jedi and most certainly none that approached Luke Skywalker, Kenobi, or Yoda. Thems the rules.
 
2018-03-06 08:05:09 PM  
I've got my issues with the films (let alone the cartoon, which we were supposed to be talking about), but the one thing that stands out above all others when I've seen them is Carrie Fisher. She kills whatever scenes she's in. I know we all love the lady, and she just died and all that. But I can't help it. When Leia is onscreen it's awful to me. She was too burnt-out or lit-up or both.
 
2018-03-06 08:37:09 PM  

swahnhennessy: I know we all love the lady, and she just died and all that. But I can't help it. When Leia is onscreen it's awful to me. She was too burnt-out or lit-up or both.


Unpopular statement, but I agree.  The only positive I can take from it is that it makes Harrison Ford's sleepytime performance less underwhelming than it was.

My opinions are my own.  Nobody has to agree with any of them.  I was disappointed (mildly) with TFA and very disappointed with TLJ.  Anyone taking issue with people saying it went too far away from Star Wars of old, read the (positive) reviews.  It says things like it throws the rules out the window and the series is better for it.

I'll admit I'm a canon guy.  I hate what NuWho has done with the Cybermen and I think Missy as the Master was awful.  Not because she was a woman, but how she portrayed it (though it was better than the previous hungry Master).  I have no issue with Rey being a woman Jedi, except that she is underdeveloped, no issue with Finn being a black hero, except that he is way underdeveloped, no issue with Rose...okay I take that back.  Her character was worthless.  Just as worthless as Poe and Phasma and the lady from the Hunger Games.

Star Wars is the second film I remember seeing in the theater (the first being Jaws) and I got the cardboard cert for Christmas in 77.  I remember waiting for hours sitting in line on the floor until I finally got into a screening of ROTJ.  I got the first widescreen releases of the OT for a college graduation present, and have seen all movies since Ep I at midnight screenings, so my fandom goes back a ways.  Having seen the OT hundreds of times I know it backwards and forwards and have greedily consumed all new movies.  Of the 8 (9) I only find AOTC completely unwatchable, but there is something that is missing from the new movies.   People criticize Lucas for a ton of things, many of them legit critiques, but the guy had vision and he created a universe with massive scope.   Every new Lucas helmed thing introduced a broader, bigger galaxy.  The new movies seem small.  The universe seems small and new planets are basically stand-ins for things seen before.
 
2018-03-06 09:30:07 PM  

NeoCortex42: mjbok:


You can use hyper space as a weapon.
Makes perfect sense to me.  I was only surprised it hadn't been done on-screen before.



did they kinda do this in TFA.  when solo bypassed the shields by going threw them at light speed?

Thats one thing that made no sense to me.  Not that he did it but once that happens shields become useless.  Here what would happen in the real world.  the gov would just equip a bunch of curse missles with hyperdrives and just send them in.  If you know where the shield equipment is and can do the right programming it be easy.
 
2018-03-06 09:31:02 PM  
mjbok:

You haven't read the cannon books or kept up to speed with the comics.... Nothing that was shown in TLJ was out of universe
 
2018-03-06 09:32:31 PM  
Confabulat:

Exactly, just enjoy the story they are telling and if you're not enjoying it stop watching
 
2018-03-06 09:32:35 PM  

mjbok: KingBiefWhistle: Stratohead: dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity.

Oh I could use a good laugh; please explain to me how Johnson wafted his ass at existing continuity?

Force ghosts can now interact with the living world and are no longer transparent.

Astral projection is now possible.  These astral projections have weight.

Objects can be transported across the galaxy.

The force has an asshole.

You can use hyper space as a weapon.

The force can allow you to fly and be immune to the effects of being in space.

You can track through hyper space.

A galaxy that can't remember if the Jedi and the force were real remember a specific ship from 30 years ago.


In return of the Jedi, Obi Wans force ghost can be seen to disturb the strands of grass on dagobah as hebwalks around.
 
2018-03-06 09:33:16 PM  
mjbok:

Kylo is not sith.
 
2018-03-06 09:39:30 PM  
I wish Disney had put the Rebels production team in charge of the new trilogy movies.  Then they might not have, well, sucked the sweat off a force ghost's cojones (I'm preemptively calling it for Ep IX, just because I don't know how they can salvage things after TLJ).

I'm perfectly willing to suspend disbelief on FTL travel, telepathy/telekinesis, friendly chats with the dead, and other magic; more so when there's consistency in its application.  But what really chaps my shiny metal posterior is:

A) Blatant disregard for basic physics that even the ancient Sumerians could understand.
B) Decisions by characters that make absolutely no sense.  Don't tell me I need to read the novelization or comic to understand WTF was going through character X's mind. If I'm staring at the screen and asking "Why is this even happening?" - and I'm not watching a Transformers movie - the plot holes may be more than superficial.
C) Pretty much any continuity break that I can immediately recall contradicts something I've seen before, without having to put any effort into straining my brain as to when and where.

These are the things, that I like to call "Common Sense", which suddenly - jarringly - blows my suspension of disbelief and temporarily takes me out of the story and dumps me back into the mundane drudgery of the real world that I was paying to escape for a few hours.  I attribute it to a phenomenon known as "Lazy Writing", which I would rather not be shucking out mucho dinero to witness in Imax-Real-3D-Dolby-Scanners-Skull-Pop-​orama.
 
2018-03-06 10:00:28 PM  

Prussian_Roulette: A) Blatant disregard for basic physics that even the ancient Sumerians could understand.


Oh boy are you barking up the wrong tree. If the ancients understood E=mc2, or even the 13 microsecond rule,
then I want my frickin' flying car already!

One of the best quotes I ever heard about scifi: went to a fan con for the tv show The Invisible Man, there was supposed to be a "Science of I-Man" panel. One attendee said thus: "Is it science? No. Is it fiction? Yes". Sums up a lot of popular scifi/science fantasy.
 
2018-03-06 10:35:11 PM  

swahnhennessy: I've got my issues with the films (let alone the cartoon, which we were supposed to be talking about), but the one thing that stands out above all others when I've seen them is Carrie Fisher. She kills whatever scenes she's in. I know we all love the lady, and she just died and all that. But I can't help it. When Leia is onscreen it's awful to me. She was too burnt-out or lit-up or both.


She was really rough in TLJ. So rough that I just assumed she was that bad in TFA as well, but I rewatched it recently and she didn't sound anywhere near as jacked. Like "How does anyone think this lady is going to be able to carry IX" bad.
 
2018-03-06 10:40:40 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: mjbok: ThatBillmanGuy: mjbok: KingBiefWhistle: Stratohead: dude... the only real connection between TLJ and the rest of the franchise is Rian Johnson wafting his ass at existing continuity.

Oh I could use a good laugh; please explain to me how Johnson wafted his ass at existing continuity?

Force ghosts can now interact with the living world and are no longer transparent.

Astral projection is now possible.  These astral projections have weight.

Objects can be transported across the galaxy.

The force has an asshole.

You can use hyper space as a weapon.

The force can allow you to fly and be immune to the effects of being in space.

You can track through hyper space.

A galaxy that can't remember if the Jedi and the force were real remember a specific ship from 30 years ago.

In a franchise with magic space wizards, robots that have sentient personalities, and space hotrods that routinely go FTL, THESE are the "No man, I can't suspend my disbelief anymore" issues that cause people to draw the line?

When you create a universe you can create any rules you want.  Within an established universe you should adhere to the established rules

I agree. But I don't think any of those examples break the universe. 

Especially the space thing. You actually can survive in a vacuum and the coldness of space for a brief period. And they've also done that in both Star Trek Discovery and Guardians of the Galaxy recently, but for some reason, Star Wars is people are saying "impossible!"


I have a harder time believing Bespin had a breathable atmosphere, and Mustafar.

Oh hey, volcano world and we can walk around.
 
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