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(Some Guy)   Due to the way they mistreat users, Microsoft software is now technically malware   ( gnu.org) divider line
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2018-03-05 04:43:12 PM  
As a person who dumped Windows OS in 2005....
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2018-03-05 05:04:50 PM  
Considering the source of that article and the ranting about "non-free software", I'll put a huge salt block in the corner to counteract some of the writers BS.
 
2018-03-05 05:08:28 PM  
Oh boy, here we go. *cracks knuckles*

Microsoft has already backdoored its disk encryption.
God forbid something happen to Joe Public and there would be no way to recover his files.

Microsoft Windows has a universal back door through which any change whatsoever can be imposed on the users.
Windows Update is kind of important. GNU would rather have a zillion botnets than one ounce of so-called "freedom" being compromised due to some idiot thinking updates are bad (mostly due to fearmongering from people who write articles like this). Sorry, this is a non-issue. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

In Windows 10, the universal back door is no longer hidden; all "upgrades" will be forcibly and immediately imposed.
Conficker was quite some egg on MS's face. So was Sasser, and MyDoom. And yet, MS is criticized for not being proactive enough when viruses strike. It's astounding.

Windows 8 also has a back door for remotely deleting apps.
Once again, to combat rogue apps that make their way into the App Store. MS is trying to protect their users and reputation here. Why wouldn't they do this?

You might well decide to let a security service that you trust remotely deactivate programs that it considers malicious. But there is no excuse for deleting the programs
AGAIN, you have no idea the average Windows user. Said user would try to activate the program again, letting it wreak havoc everywhere. No thanks. This isn't Word or something MS would be deleting, it's likely some bullshiat cookie clicker clone or a rogue coupon app that sniffs input fields or something. MS actually doing something about this should be applauded.

German government veers away from Windows 8 computers with TPM 2.0 due to potential back door capabilities of the TPM 2.0 chip.
Your blog sucks.

Users reported that Microsoft was forcing them to replace Windows 7 and 8 with all-spying Windows 10.
This is funny! Because the most popular Linux distributions, Debian and Ubuntu, do the exact same thing. Turns out telemetry is useful! Who would have guessed?!

Moving on:

These bugs are/were not intentional, so unlike the rest of the file they do not count as malware. We mention them to refute the supposition that prestigious proprietary software doesn't have grave bugs.
Who said it didn't? Yet another Stallman Strawman.

Moving on:

The wrongs in this section are not precisely malware, since they do not involve making the program that runs in a way that hurts the user. But they are a lot like malware, since they are technical Microsoft actions that harm to the users of specific Microsoft software.
Then we can skip that too, since "Ah cain't run Winders ninney fahve on dis here new athalon!" isn't and never will be taken seriously.

The "Full" telemetry mode allows Microsoft Windows engineers to access, among other things, registry keys which can contain sensitive information like administrator's login password.

And this is bad because...what, exactly? This hasn't been an issue since Windows Vista. Maybe if it were 2003, I'd be worried.

The rest of this seems to be nitpicky stuff and unfortunate side-effect of doing business.

Maybe GNU would be taken seriously if their articles were written without the tone of someone saying "I told you so" every five seconds, when there's literally nothing out there that can replace Windows as a PC Desktop OS. Y'all've had decades, and I still have no OS other than Windows that I can recommend to a total idiot with a PC. Even the most basic stuff is still a pain in the ass, and I've used GNU/Linux for almost 20 years. That is why iPads and Android Tablets are kicking the PC's ass right now.

And the best part about all this? Zero evidence from FSF of actual documented harm done directly by MS to any of its users. I've yet to see any articles of MS actively using their software to attack their customers, and no, the upgrading stuff does not count - we've already established that keeping an OS up to date is common sense.

The *real* problem is not software. it's hardware and drivers.Proprietary hardware and the binary blob drivers being unsupported in a new OS release is the common denominator in every real case of something bad happening to a user with Windows, or ANY OS for that matter, and that sucks. Can that be blamed on Microsoft? I'm not so sure about that, because almost every Microsoft product still works in Windows - even the old Microsoft Mouse still works. Unfortunately, Linux drivers for hardware occasionally have worse performance and lack features. That's just the way it is.

People would rather be spied on than having their PC work 75% of what it's supposed to do, even if they don't use that feature ever. I can't believe this isn't obvious to GNU and other FLOSS advocates. Users really don't give a shiat until the US Government is involved - else, the free market is a darling.
 
2018-03-05 05:18:23 PM  

Sneakernets: And the best part about all this? Zero evidence from FSF of actual documented harm done directly by MS to any of its users. I've yet to see any articles of MS actively using their software to attack their customers, and no, the upgrading stuff does not count - we've already established that keeping an OS up to date is common sense.


If this existed it would be the only story you'd ever hear about ever again from people like this.
 
2018-03-05 05:24:27 PM  
You mean like when it decides that your operating system isn't legal so it shuts down your pc? Even though you bought it used from the initial purchaser?

Yeah, fark them.
 
2018-03-05 05:25:11 PM  
#PCRIGHTSMATTER
 
2018-03-05 05:25:54 PM  
but just a smatter.
 
2018-03-05 05:25:59 PM  
Where have you been, subby?

"Windows is a virus" has been a meme in IT circles for 2 decades.
 
2018-03-05 05:26:42 PM  
That guy says back door a lot
 
2018-03-05 05:29:30 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: You mean like when it decides that your operating system isn't legal so it shuts down your pc? Even though you bought it used from the initial purchaser?

Yeah, fark them.


Which was addressed with a simple phone call. How simple? My buddy and I would get free keys this way. Microsoft was so tired of that program that they practically gave keys away to shut users up. Microsoft underestimated how much software piracy existed in mom and pop computer shops, and they paid dearly for it. The shops were never blamed, MS got all that blame. And since MS really didn't make each XP copy unique....yes, you could blame one of us for grabbing a key and invalidating one that existed but hadn't been activated by the original user yet. Sorry!
 
2018-03-05 05:33:29 PM  

HoboCop: That guy says back door a lot


He visited the "things that look like a penis" thread, then wrote that article.
 
2018-03-05 05:34:34 PM  
Windows 7 is unethical because it's proprietary.

Good luck running your company on open-source Active Directory.
 
2018-03-05 05:40:24 PM  

Sneakernets: keeping an OS up to date is common sense.


You're nearly 100% correct, but when an OS upgrade is advertised as "y'all gonna do this now, or shall we do it for you later anyway?", then it proceeds to use up a person's monthly internet quota (not everyone wants or needs tens or hundreds of GB per month), trash recovery partitions, and ignore the fact that certain components are *not* W10 compatible, and won't ever be because the manufacturer isn't interested, then I'd call that direct harm.
 
2018-03-05 05:42:50 PM  

syrynxx: Windows 7 is unethical because it's proprietary.

Good luck running your company on open-source Active Directory.


That would be LDAP, which worked just fine before AD came along. Just for the record, I think AD is quite good at its job.
 
2018-03-05 05:44:59 PM  
This blog sucks.
 
2018-03-05 05:48:11 PM  
Oh god. An anti Windows article written by a GNU fantastic.  Yeah.  I'm sure this is fair and unbiased.  Not reading.
 
2018-03-05 05:50:59 PM  

ol' gormsby: syrynxx: Windows 7 is unethical because it's proprietary.

Good luck running your company on open-source Active Directory.

That would be LDAP, which worked just fine before AD came along. Just for the record, I think AD is quite good at its job.


LDAP is a vendor neutral application protocol. Active Directory is a directory service can publish an LDAP interface.

I say fark it all it and go back to x.500.
 
2018-03-05 05:56:19 PM  

styckx: Oh god. An anti Windows article written by a GNU fantastic.  Yeah.  I'm sure this is fair and unbiased.  Not reading.


You forgot not ill formed and dishonest.
 
2018-03-05 05:58:13 PM  

ol' gormsby: syrynxx: Windows 7 is unethical because it's proprietary.

Good luck running your company on open-source Active Directory.

That would be LDAP, which worked just fine before AD came along. Just for the record, I think AD is quite good at its job.


Yes LDAP is a database of security principals and attributes. I was referring to Windows clients' ability to process Group Policy, sorry. The most compelling aspect of Windows as both client and server, IMHO.
 
2018-03-05 06:11:44 PM  

Sneakernets: Oh boy, here we go. *cracks knuckles*


Yeah, there's a lot of their behavior that is defensible, but ... the complete removal of user control over certain options is still bad.  Forced patching may be the best answer for most users, but Win10 has repeatedly shiat the bed on patches screwing some percentage of users over in one way or another.   Backdooring user encryption is another of those double-edged swords.  If one needs good encryption, don't use the built-in stuff.

The really egregious thing though, was that for a while the Windows license agreement included language about how they reserved the right access, read, and transmit back to their own servers, any file the system can see, be it local, LAN, or other remote storage service, for any reason they saw fit.  This included law enforcement and their own curiosity "Just Cuz."  When the news on this hit, I spent a few hours digging through their various licensing agreements, because I didn't really believe they would be so blatant.   They were.  This made Windows categorically unusable for anything requiring client confidentiality.  Medical, legal, etc, just farking DONE.

Due to bad press, they backed off on some of the worst language a bit later, but damage done, and it's not all gone.  Last I went looking, they still had some of that language in place, to include reserving rights to snag and look at anything in RAM as part of their diagnostics.

I cannot stress this enough - Microsoft has been a bad actor since at least the early 90's, and is not now and likely never will be trustworthy.
 
2018-03-05 06:36:11 PM  
Who greenlit this crap?  Really?
 
2018-03-05 06:49:07 PM  
From pop-up ads in the corner of your screen, to ads in your start menu, to driveby downloads and software installs you didn't ask for which reinstall themselves every time another user logs in, yes Microsoft more and more displays the same behavior as malware. Not only is that behavior bullshiat in itself, but it also inures users against recognizing actual malware because users have started to think this kind of crap is normal.
 
2018-03-05 06:54:21 PM  
 
2018-03-05 06:58:15 PM  

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lol. That's farking hilarious
 
2018-03-05 07:07:44 PM  
Thank god he's finally exposed Microsoft for what they really are.

2018 will now become the year of Linux on the desktop.

/Lol
//"Nothing else has worked, lets see if we can scare people to us instead."
 
2018-03-05 07:19:07 PM  

dyhchong: Thank god he's finally exposed Microsoft for what they really are.

2018 will now become the year of Linux on the desktop.

/Lol
//"Nothing else has worked, lets see if we can scare people to us instead."


What made me laugh (and I dual boot Linux) is when Linux distros (Ubuntu/Mint etc) actually made Linux an actual viable and approachable home Desktop environment to common folk all the Linux foamers moved over to Arch Linux bang wagon etc.. Because if you don't have to install Linux starting with a 2MB boot disk and install every aspect of the operating system detailed by annoying detail by command line it's not really Linux and the other distros are fake Linux or some retarded crap.
 
2018-03-05 07:50:26 PM  
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2018-03-05 07:53:22 PM  
Obligatory:
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2018-03-05 07:54:06 PM  
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2018-03-05 07:58:44 PM  
Windows update has become an entirely unreliable piece of crap.

MS is trying to turn computers into appliances, the problem is that they're not good enough at design or programming to pull it off.
 
2018-03-05 08:34:49 PM  

SpaceyCat: Considering the source of that article and the ranting about "non-free software", I'll put a huge salt block in the corner to counteract some of the writers BS.


Feel free to ignore Richard Stallman, the cancer killing Linux.
 
2018-03-05 08:52:28 PM  
The writer sounds like the kind of idiot walking into walls at the Apple HQ.
 
2018-03-05 09:13:25 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: Windows update has become an entirely unreliable piece of crap.


Not only that, it manages to saturate your internet connection with multiple (40 has been mentioned on some tech sites) connections to the microsoft update servers.

Combine that with a 7MBit ADSL2+ connection, and a Celeron* processor, it takes all. farking. day. to upgrade to the "Fall creator's update" aka 1709

* yes, there are manufacturers still making and selling celeron-equipped laptops as "back-to-school" specials. I'm looking at you, Lenovo. Damn things can be pegged at 100% CPU and still blowing cool air out the vent.
 
2018-03-05 09:31:17 PM  
Not already mentioned, this oft repeated lie.
Microsoft Office forces users to subscribe to Office 360 to be able to create/edit documents.

You can still buy Office just as you always have been able to. I'm still on Office 2007 and it works just fine for me, and yes, I can create documents.  Office 2016 is the latest version. No subscription required.
 
2018-03-05 09:32:22 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Not already mentioned, this oft repeated lie.
Microsoft Office forces users to subscribe to Office 360 to be able to create/edit documents.

You can still buy Office just as you always have been able to. I'm still on Office 2007 and it works just fine for me, and yes, I can create documents.  Office 2016 is the latest version. No subscription required.


And I love the way they call it Office 360. Does it refuse to work five days a year?
 
2018-03-05 09:40:18 PM  
By the same definition, almost every smartphone app is similarly intrusive, and most smartphone makers long ago ditched control of individual app permissions.   It's just as bad as Windows 10, but it's largely invisible.
 
2018-03-05 09:50:27 PM  
I'm running Linuxmint on an old HP / Vista machine so I'm getting a kick out of this

/actually I'm getting a bigger kick out of hot tabbing over to youporntubehub.com but that's a different thread, altogether
 
2018-03-05 10:18:52 PM  

ol' gormsby: Duke of Madness Motors: Windows update has become an entirely unreliable piece of crap.

...

Combine that with a 7MBit ADSL2+ connection, and a Celeron* processor, it takes all. farking. day. to upgrade to the "Fall creator's update" aka 1709


farking fall creators update... that pos started running at 8:30am and was finally finished at 6:30pm on an i7\16gb\adsl2+ desktop. As far as I can see the only changes are now I can embed 3d models into office docs and have a 'people' button on the task bar. whooptyfarkindoo
 
2018-03-05 10:27:15 PM  

JudgeMuttonChops: ol' gormsby: Duke of Madness Motors: Windows update has become an entirely unreliable piece of crap.

...

Combine that with a 7MBit ADSL2+ connection, and a Celeron* processor, it takes all. farking. day. to upgrade to the "Fall creator's update" aka 1709

farking fall creators update... that pos started running at 8:30am and was finally finished at 6:30pm on an i7\16gb\adsl2+ desktop. As far as I can see the only changes are now I can embed 3d models into office docs and have a 'people' button on the task bar. whooptyfarkindoo


It also fails completely if you have an NVMe disk that wasn't installed using the onboard Intel Rapid Storage opROM. Total horseshiat. You gotta completely reinstall to fix it.

Thanks Microsoft, thanks Intel. You guys farked the poodle yet again.
 
2018-03-05 10:50:18 PM  

whither_apophis: I'm running Linuxmint on an old HP / Vista machine so I'm getting a kick out of this

/actually I'm getting a bigger kick out of hot tabbing over to youporntubehub.com but that's a different thread, altogether


I've not used Mint. Is it the year of the Linux Desktop yet? I tool around with ubuntu every so often and love it. I can achieve everything I need to with ubuntu EXCEPT play games. Is there a way I can reliably run my steam games from linux (I know about the steam linux client but only certain games are compatible on linux)? I tried WINE eons ago but the amount of stuffing around and crappy stability really turned me off, but that may have changed.

If I could get my games running sweet on linux, I would never boot into windows again.

any suggestions welcome.
 
2018-03-05 10:58:31 PM  

Stibium: JudgeMuttonChops: ol' gormsby: Duke of Madness Motors: Windows update has become an entirely unreliable piece of crap.

...

Combine that with a 7MBit ADSL2+ connection, and a Celeron* processor, it takes all. farking. day. to upgrade to the "Fall creator's update" aka 1709

farking fall creators update... that pos started running at 8:30am and was finally finished at 6:30pm on an i7\16gb\adsl2+ desktop. As far as I can see the only changes are now I can embed 3d models into office docs and have a 'people' button on the task bar. whooptyfarkindoo

It also fails completely if you have an NVMe disk that wasn't installed using the onboard Intel Rapid Storage opROM. Total horseshiat. You gotta completely reinstall to fix it.

Thanks Microsoft, thanks Intel. You guys farked the poodle yet again.


All you need to know about Microsoft is that their response to ever increasing weird system issues is to make it easier to reinstall the whole operating system.
 
2018-03-05 11:06:53 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: Stibium: JudgeMuttonChops: ol' gormsby: Duke of Madness Motors: Windows update has become an entirely unreliable piece of crap.

...

Combine that with a 7MBit ADSL2+ connection, and a Celeron* processor, it takes all. farking. day. to upgrade to the "Fall creator's update" aka 1709

farking fall creators update... that pos started running at 8:30am and was finally finished at 6:30pm on an i7\16gb\adsl2+ desktop. As far as I can see the only changes are now I can embed 3d models into office docs and have a 'people' button on the task bar. whooptyfarkindoo

It also fails completely if you have an NVMe disk that wasn't installed using the onboard Intel Rapid Storage opROM. Total horseshiat. You gotta completely reinstall to fix it.

Thanks Microsoft, thanks Intel. You guys farked the poodle yet again.

All you need to know about Microsoft is that their response to ever increasing weird system issues is to make it easier to reinstall the whole operating system.


Haha! Now that's a keeper. Honestly, I only use Windows for light gaming, and only pop into OSX because of my clients. Beyond that, I've used Linux as my main desktop OS for over twelve years and I'm not stopping now.

The major snag so far has been Ubuntu 17. fark Gnome 3 and GNU. fark Canonical for going with it. I was tricked in Ubuntu 16.10 to upgrade to 17, basically a one time choice masquerading as an update. Ever since then I've wanted to go back to OSX, since my main is a Late 2011 MacBook Pro.

/2 256GB SSD's, I would love to see what APFS could do with them
//This was my first Mac, bought from Craigslist as liquor damaged, and fixed the logic board in a couple places.
 
2018-03-05 11:09:36 PM  

Sneakernets: Oh boy, here we go.


I want to thank you for writing my reply for me. I pretty much would have said the same thing and I started with DOS 2.0ish. This "article" doesn't even have a byline.
 
2018-03-05 11:26:12 PM  

Stibium: Richard Stallman


Richard Stallman Eats Something From His Foot
Youtube I25UeVXrEHQ
 
2018-03-05 11:33:09 PM  

Intrepid00: Stibium: Richard Stallman

[YouTube video: Richard Stallman Eats Something From His Foot]


Not for nothing but I watched that and it was like no dude don't do it and then he did it.
 
2018-03-05 11:38:44 PM  
I actually am liking Win10 but initial release was a bit bumpy.  Love this picture.


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2018-03-05 11:48:42 PM  

Intrepid00: Stibium: Richard Stallman

[YouTube video: Richard Stallman Eats Something From His Foot]


Philistine is gonna philistine. I'm mean, it should have been obvious he is an ignorant savage considering he's got two Pepsi's in front of him.

/I eat skin off the corners of my toes too, but for Gods sake not in public
 
2018-03-06 12:06:31 AM  

Stibium: Duke of Madness Motors: Stibium: JudgeMuttonChops: ol' gormsby: Duke of Madness Motors: Windows update has become an entirely unreliable piece of crap.

...

Combine that with a 7MBit ADSL2+ connection, and a Celeron* processor, it takes all. farking. day. to upgrade to the "Fall creator's update" aka 1709

farking fall creators update... that pos started running at 8:30am and was finally finished at 6:30pm on an i7\16gb\adsl2+ desktop. As far as I can see the only changes are now I can embed 3d models into office docs and have a 'people' button on the task bar. whooptyfarkindoo

It also fails completely if you have an NVMe disk that wasn't installed using the onboard Intel Rapid Storage opROM. Total horseshiat. You gotta completely reinstall to fix it.

Thanks Microsoft, thanks Intel. You guys farked the poodle yet again.

All you need to know about Microsoft is that their response to ever increasing weird system issues is to make it easier to reinstall the whole operating system.

Haha! Now that's a keeper. Honestly, I only use Windows for light gaming, and only pop into OSX because of my clients. Beyond that, I've used Linux as my main desktop OS for over twelve years and I'm not stopping now.

The major snag so far has been Ubuntu 17. fark Gnome 3 and GNU. fark Canonical for going with it. I was tricked in Ubuntu 16.10 to upgrade to 17, basically a one time choice masquerading as an update. Ever since then I've wanted to go back to OSX, since my main is a Late 2011 MacBook Pro.

/2 256GB SSD's, I would love to see what APFS could do with them
//This was my first Mac, bought from Craigslist as liquor damaged, and fixed the logic board in a couple places.


I have to use Windows because my clients use it. I can't wait until I only have to run it on a gaming machine and can do my regular stuff in Linux. But the state of software on all platforms is kind of depressing. By now I hoped there would be a much more stable, reliable and secure foundation for applications.
 
2018-03-06 12:06:55 AM  
"Now"? Windows has been malware since at least its first "real" version, 3.0.
 
2018-03-06 12:11:05 AM  
When MS decides your laptop is too old, they sic the Windows Update service "wuauserv" on your computer to spike the CPU at 100% and/or max out your RAM. The only way to restore functionality to your laptop is to disable the Windows Update service on the computer, which now means your laptop can never be patched making it an easier target for hackers, since turning on Windows Update means bricking your computer.

/and that's even without getting into the whole mandatory Win10 update they were pushing on people.
 
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