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2018-03-05 03:43:23 PM  
I don't get how DC can make some of the best superhero animation out there, decent TV shows, and then turn about and crap out multi-million dollar turds like Batman vs. Superman.

Wonder Woman was pretty good, but then Justice League was a few steps back. Now they're doing Flashpoint? WTF. How about a fun movie.
 
2018-03-05 04:02:15 PM  

doglover: I don't get how DC can make some of the best superhero animation out there, decent TV shows, and then turn about and crap out multi-million dollar turds like Batman vs. Superman.

Wonder Woman was pretty good, but then Justice League was a few steps back. Now they're doing Flashpoint? WTF. How about a fun movie.


Aquaman should be fun.
 
2018-03-05 04:06:29 PM  
Oh yay! DC is gonna make another movie based on comics that were meaningful and impactful because of years, if not decades, of ongoing and interwoven stories that preceded them.

I mean, it worked out really well for The Dark Knight Returns, and for The Death of Superman.  Why not do Flashpoint next!

/Heck, two full seasons of a fairly well done Flash TV show weren't sufficient for them to pull of Flashpoint satisfactorily.
//DC should just kill the shared universe altogether, and just make standalones
 
2018-03-05 04:07:40 PM  

doglover: I don't get how DC can make some of the best superhero animation out there, decent TV shows, and then turn about and crap out multi-million dollar turds like Batman vs. Superman.


Meanwhile Marvel makes great movies, but shiat TV shows like The Inhumans.
 
2018-03-05 04:13:51 PM  
I'll watch it and probably even like it.
 
2018-03-05 04:16:54 PM  

doglover: I don't get how DC can make some of the best superhero animation out there, decent TV shows, and then turn about and crap out multi-million dollar turds like Batman vs. Superman.

Wonder Woman was pretty good, but then Justice League was a few steps back. Now they're doing Flashpoint? WTF. How about a fun movie.


Because DC Animation does the animation, Greg Berlanti is in charge of the shows, and then there's a pack of shiat-eating morons over at Warner Brothers Movies that don't know shiat about shiat.
 
2018-03-05 04:21:06 PM  
If you have two quarterbacks directors, you have none.
 
2018-03-05 04:22:17 PM  

Tax Boy: doglover: I don't get how DC can make some of the best superhero animation out there, decent TV shows, and then turn about and crap out multi-million dollar turds like Batman vs. Superman.

Meanwhile Marvel makes great movies, but shiat TV shows like The Inhumans.


Agents of Shield has been pretty solid lately. It's still a shame the television and movie divisions can't work together more, though.

I don't know what the fark they were thinking with Inhumans.
 
2018-03-05 04:25:39 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Oh yay! DC is gonna make another movie based on comics that were meaningful and impactful because of years, if not decades, of ongoing and interwoven stories that preceded them.

I mean, it worked out really well for The Dark Knight Returns, and for The Death of Superman.  Why not do Flashpoint next!

/Heck, two full seasons of a fairly well done Flash TV show weren't sufficient for them to pull of Flashpoint satisfactorily.
//DC should just kill the shared universe altogether, and just make standalones


Yeah, they want to skip to the end, and it's why their tentpole movies are mediocre at best. Meanwhile the standalones are much, much better. And I'm referring to both Wonder Woman and Man of Steel.

There needs to be a buildup to the big crossover tentpoles. Which is a lesson they learned in the CW Arrowverse. I loved the massive Crisis on Earth X crossover, but that was only possible because of the many many seasons of shows building up to it. (And a pretty decent invasion crossover from the previous year.) I binged those Crisis episodes in one day, and I found that experience far more satisfying than Justice League.

I would love for the DC movies to be just as thrilling as the Marvel movies. But for some reason, DC keeps screwing up over and over. Now, to be fair, there were extenuating circumstances for why Justice League had problems. But when the best you can achieve is "Well, it could have been worse given the circumstances," you don't have a solid foundation.
 
2018-03-05 04:27:21 PM  
Can someone summarize Flashpoint?    I have no idea what it is.
 
2018-03-05 04:29:05 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: Can someone summarize Flashpoint?    I have no idea what it is.


Back to the Future, part 2.
 
2018-03-05 04:30:20 PM  

Old Man Winter: Aquaman should be fun.


Not if Jason mimosa or whoever is still doing the Abs and Guyliner version. Not that I wouldn't fark him, but it's going to be yet another orange and blue CGI puppet show. Quite frankly, that five minutes we spend underwater with him in Justice League is four minutes longer than most people wanted. I can already hear Cinema Sins and Mr. Plinkett tearing into Aquaman in my head...


They need something more along the tone of Teen Titans Go or Badman the Brave and the Bold. Something bright and uplifting.

Take Zatanna. She's got sex appeal on the outside, charm and wit on the inside, a central core of diamond hard determination and willpower (she's like Batman in that respect), all topped off with the big, juicy cherry that is magic.

Her movies could go toe to toe with any of those crazy CGI fests like Harry Potter, but they could be a little more adult because she teams up with Constantine a lot. Her stories are high stakes without being epic in scale, so she can be shoehorned into any of the world shaking Justice League story lines. She's got the box office triple threat of boobies for the young men, girl power for the young ladies, and comic book appeal for the nerds.

So you can do basically anything with her character and make some bank right now. The Flashpoint? That's a harder sell. How the hell can you make an interesting story about a dude who can make underwear out of how fast he runs?
 
2018-03-05 04:32:11 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: Can someone summarize Flashpoint?    I have no idea what it is.


Barry Allen / The Flash witnessed his mother being murdered when he was a child.

After he grows up and becomes The Flash, he gains the ability to travel through time via The Speedforce.

He goes back in time and saves her life, creating an alternate timeline known as the "Flashpoint timeline" in which many other things are changed - for example Thomas Wayne became Batman after he saw his wife and son murdered by a thug in an alley.

Barry is the only person who remembers the original timeline, and realizes he has to try and get things back on track.  Usually, this involves him becoming The Flash again, since he didn't get his powers in the altered timeline (though the TV show skipped this part because they had just used the "recreate how he got his powers to get them back" during the end of Season 2 immediately prior to their attempt at the Flashpoint story) and eventually realizes he has to go back in time again and let his mother die.

There's a DCAU adaptation that's pretty good, The Flashpoint Paradox - it was on Netflix for a while.
 
2018-03-05 04:32:42 PM  
This is the Flash movie that at first was Flashpoint, then was NOT Flashpoint, and now definitely is - and was at first in DCEU continuity, then wasn't, and now is again.

Just to clear up the confusion.

// timeline farkeration everywhere
// if only they titled it Flashpoint: Barry Gets Damned
 
2018-03-05 04:35:09 PM  

Dr Dreidel: This is the Flash movie that at first was Flashpoint, then was NOT Flashpoint, and now definitely is - and was at first in DCEU continuity, then wasn't, and now is again.

Just to clear up the confusion.

// timeline farkeration everywhere
// if only they titled it Flashpoint: Barry Gets Damned


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2018-03-05 04:35:33 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: Can someone summarize Flashpoint?    I have no idea what it is.


The Flash creates a ripple in time that creates present time into a series of tragic events, chief amongst them is Superman is never born, and the Justice League is never formed. The Amazonians (Wonder Woman's people) and the Atlantians (Aquaman's people) are also at war. Also, on the night Bruce and Martha Wayne are killed, Bruce is the one that dies instead. His father becomes Batman, and his mother becomes the Joker.
 
2018-03-05 04:36:53 PM  
Flashpoint the comic was created to reboot the overly convoluted comicbook universe, which was rebooted in Final Crisis, which was rebooted in 52, which was rebooted in Zero Hour, which was rebooted in the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

They're gonna reboot a movie universe that's three movies long.
Great job guys.
 
2018-03-05 04:37:00 PM  

AdrienVeidt: doglover: I don't get how DC can make some of the best superhero animation out there, decent TV shows, and then turn about and crap out multi-million dollar turds like Batman vs. Superman.

Wonder Woman was pretty good, but then Justice League was a few steps back. Now they're doing Flashpoint? WTF. How about a fun movie.

Because DC Animation does the animation, Greg Berlanti is in charge of the shows, and then there's a pack of shiat-eating morons over at Warner Brothers Movies that don't know shiat about shiat.


How about we get that Jewish guy. Gilbert Grape or whatever. He played the duck in the Aladdin. Says here he voices Mister Mixy? So he's like a bar tender. Why doesn't he mix up a drink that brings the Joker back to life. Only he's darker and edgier than ever. And then Wonder Woman and Harley make out in a pool of chcolate and Batman and Superman find out the Joker's dad has the same name as their dads and then we'll cut out all the scenes that introduce Cyborg and just have him appear in the second act! And then we'll put the Stan Lee cameo in the beginning of the third... what do you mean we can't get Stan Lee!?!
 
2018-03-05 04:38:25 PM  

doglover: Old Man Winter: Aquaman should be fun.

Not if Jason mimosa or whoever is still doing the Abs and Guyliner version. Not that I wouldn't fark him, but it's going to be yet another orange and blue CGI puppet show. Quite frankly, that five minutes we spend underwater with him in Justice League is four minutes longer than most people wanted. I can already hear Cinema Sins and Mr. Plinkett tearing into Aquaman in my head...


They need something more along the tone of Teen Titans Go or Badman the Brave and the Bold. Something bright and uplifting.

Take Zatanna. She's got sex appeal on the outside, charm and wit on the inside, a central core of diamond hard determination and willpower (she's like Batman in that respect), all topped off with the big, juicy cherry that is magic.

Her movies could go toe to toe with any of those crazy CGI fests like Harry Potter, but they could be a little more adult because she teams up with Constantine a lot. Her stories are high stakes without being epic in scale, so she can be shoehorned into any of the world shaking Justice League story lines. She's got the box office triple threat of boobies for the young men, girl power for the young ladies, and comic book appeal for the nerds.

So you can do basically anything with her character and make some bank right now. The Flashpoint? That's a harder sell. How the hell can you make an interesting story about a dude who can make underwear out of how fast he runs?


I was just trying to be positive, I'm not watching it untill it hit basic cable.
 
2018-03-05 04:39:13 PM  

doglover: AdrienVeidt: doglover: I don't get how DC can make some of the best superhero animation out there, decent TV shows, and then turn about and crap out multi-million dollar turds like Batman vs. Superman.

Wonder Woman was pretty good, but then Justice League was a few steps back. Now they're doing Flashpoint? WTF. How about a fun movie.

Because DC Animation does the animation, Greg Berlanti is in charge of the shows, and then there's a pack of shiat-eating morons over at Warner Brothers Movies that don't know shiat about shiat.

How about we get that Jewish guy. Gilbert Grape or whatever. He played the duck in the Aladdin. Says here he voices Mister Mixy? So he's like a bar tender. Why doesn't he mix up a drink that brings the Joker back to life. Only he's darker and edgier than ever. And then Wonder Woman and Harley make out in a pool of chcolate and Batman and Superman find out the Joker's dad has the same name as their dads and then we'll cut out all the scenes that introduce Cyborg and just have him appear in the second act! And then we'll put the Stan Lee cameo in the beginning of the third... what do you mean we can't get Stan Lee!?!


Damn it, even as a joke I make a better DC movie than warner bros.
 
2018-03-05 04:48:05 PM  

SkylineRecords: If you have two quarterbacks directors, you have none.


The Russo brothers say hi
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2018-03-05 04:51:51 PM  
Phew, although I can't stand 'superhero' movies (except for Hellboy), it's a relief to hear it isn't this 'Flashpoint':

 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059475/​
 
2018-03-05 04:53:15 PM  
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Good series. Glad to see it carries on.
 
2018-03-05 04:53:55 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: Can someone summarize Flashpoint?    I have no idea what it is.


a big helping of DAMMIT BARRY & SHUT UP IRIS
 
2018-03-05 04:53:57 PM  

bratface: Phew, although I can't stand 'superhero' movies (except for Hellboy), it's a relief to hear it isn't this 'Flashpoint':

 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059475/


Too bad. I liked that show.
 
2018-03-05 04:58:48 PM  
I never liked Flashpoint.  Way too nihilistic for my tastes.
 
2018-03-05 05:00:48 PM  

doglover: I don't get how DC can make some of the best superhero animation out there, decent TV shows, and then turn about and crap out multi-million dollar turds like Batman vs. Superman.

Wonder Woman was pretty good, but then Justice League was a few steps back. Now they're doing Flashpoint? WTF. How about a fun movie.


So, my theory is that 'movie' is where the executive meddling sets in by default. None of the WB execs give a shiat about a low profile animated series that's not going to rake in a potential billion dollars or get them an invite to the Oscars. So, the creators for the animated series fly under the executive radar and can basically do what they want without some exec saying 'you know what would be great....' or bringing in shiat like focus group results or brand marketing or market research.

Same thing for the CW shows. At first, none of the execs at the WB cared about a TV show focusing on Green Arrow; it's low profile, not a big name, and getting attached to it didn't carry any perks. Then, it turns out to be a great show, but by that time, the show runner has enough clout to politely tell the execs to 'sit down and shut shut up and let me do my thing'.
 
2018-03-05 05:29:06 PM  

exparrot: Flashpoint the comic was created to reboot the overly convoluted comicbook universe, which was rebooted in Final Crisis, which was rebooted in 52, which was rebooted in Zero Hour, which was rebooted in the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

They're gonna reboot a movie universe that's three movies long.
Great job guys.


And yet, that somehow makes it more authentic.
/Though Marvel is on their 4th comic reboot in 5 years now.
 
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2018-03-05 05:36:36 PM  
Marvel: Let's have 10 years of build up to Infinity War so the audience will see it as a Grand and Important event.

DC: Flash was a minor character in a movie, therefore audiences are so invested in him now that they will really care about a whole movie about him destroying the world while trying to get his mom back.
 
2018-03-05 05:44:20 PM  
This thread is chock full of whine ass haters. I for one am looking forward for The Flash movie. My superhero movies don't need to compare to Casablanca.
 
2018-03-05 05:47:16 PM  

soporific: bratface: Phew, although I can't stand 'superhero' movies (except for Hellboy), it's a relief to hear it isn't this 'Flashpoint':

 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059475/

Too bad. I liked that show.


Why? The acting was downright hammy most of the time, the rest was just bad. The commercials for the show on ION were laughable, 'Flashpoint' positively entertaining? Cheeseball at best.

But 'to each his own'?
 
2018-03-05 05:47:41 PM  

LaChanz: This thread is chock full of whine ass haters. I for one am looking forward for The Flash movie. My superhero movies don't need to compare to Casablanca.


I just want my multi-million dollar DC comic book movies to be at least half as good as the average episode of Teen Titans Go or Justice League Action
 
2018-03-05 05:48:23 PM  

doglover: This thread is chock full of whine ass haters.

 
2018-03-05 06:23:16 PM  
LaChanz:

Martha! Martha! Martha!
This is fine. Everything is fine.


Meanwhile, I'm over here with Constatine watching Star Girl and a sexy cat lady wrestling,  Plastic Man giving Solomon Grundy a proper Christmas like a hero would, Booster Gold being such an ass his ex wife destroys the whole Justice League HQ as the opening salvo in an argument with him and the JLA sides with her, and of course Conroy as Batman.

But for your sake, I hope Flashpoint is a lot more supes turning to look at Flash in ultra high speed and a lot less Martha!
 
2018-03-05 06:38:44 PM  

LaChanz: This thread is chock full of whine ass haters. I for one am looking forward for The Flash movie. My superhero movies don't need to compare to Casablanca.


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2018-03-05 07:08:54 PM  

LaChanz: This thread is chock full of whine ass haters. I for one am looking forward for The Flash movie. My superhero movies don't need to compare to Casablanca.


I go to superhero movies to have fun.  Plot holes?  As long as they aren't gaping, I can overlook them.  Cheesy stories?  Ummm, we're talking about guys from other planets who can fly and stuff.  Some cheese is inherent to the genre.  But, once again, don't overdo it.

 But to me, the most important thing is that I had a good time watching the movie.  Bottom line.
 
2018-03-05 08:47:06 PM  

Dan the Schman: LaChanz: This thread is chock full of whine ass haters. I for one am looking forward for The Flash movie. My superhero movies don't need to compare to Casablanca.

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Your mom is cute.
 
2018-03-05 08:52:31 PM  

doglover: I just want my multi-million dollar DC comic book movies to be at least half as good as the average episode of Teen Titans Go or Justice League Action


So your problem with them is that there're not animated and geared to 7 year olds?
 
2018-03-05 09:59:25 PM  
guys, is this the franchise I'm supposed to hate the fanboys for or is this the one I'm supposed to like?
 
2018-03-05 10:11:04 PM  

LaChanz: doglover: I just want my multi-million dollar DC comic book movies to be at least half as good as the average episode of Teen Titans Go or Justice League Action

So your problem with them is that there're not animated and geared to 7 year olds?


First off, they are animated. CGI is animation. I'd actually like less of that, more shaving of mustaches.

Secondly, seven year olds are never the target audience for a good cartoon.  The great cartoons, and DC's animators get this better than anyone except maybe Disney, are aimed at everyone. So you get a good story first, and they replace things like an image of Batgirl falling off a building and landing on Gordon's car, spraying blood and teeth all over her father's windshield, with a shadow, a crunch, and the horrified face of Jim Gordon. But the pathos is the same because so is the story.

Third... fark it. Yes, I want a live action Justice League movie written by the Teen Titans Go people. Sadly, Gal Gadot (at least) would probably not be willing.
 
2018-03-05 10:26:36 PM  

doglover: LaChanz: doglover: I just want my multi-million dollar DC comic book movies to be at least half as good as the average episode of Teen Titans Go or Justice League Action

So your problem with them is that there're not animated and geared to 7 year olds?

First off, they are animated. CGI is animation. I'd actually like less of that, more shaving of mustaches.

Secondly, seven year olds are never the target audience for a good cartoon.  The great cartoons, and DC's animators get this better than anyone except maybe Disney, are aimed at everyone. So you get a good story first, and they replace things like an image of Batgirl falling off a building and landing on Gordon's car, spraying blood and teeth all over her father's windshield, with a shadow, a crunch, and the horrified face of Jim Gordon. But the pathos is the same because so is the story.

Third... fark it. Yes, I want a live action Justice League movie written by the Teen Titans Go people. Sadly, Gal Gadot (at least) would probably not be willing.


What the cartoons do first and for most is get the characters right, regardless if they're an exaggerated version or if they're playing them straight they understand who these characters are at they're core and are able to tweak them to fit the narrative style.
 
2018-03-05 10:54:04 PM  

jvl: Marvel: Let's have 10 years of build up to Infinity War so the audience will see it as a Grand and Important event.

DC: Flash was a minor character in a movie, therefore audiences are so invested in him now that they will really care about a whole movie about him destroying the world while trying to get his mom back.


Is her name MARTHA?? DCEU is more obsessed with mothers than Siggy Freud was.
 
2018-03-05 11:07:07 PM  
We knew DC was going to come out with shiatty movies ever since Superman Kills. Why this continues to surprise people is beyond me. We don't need to have a play-by-play about what specifically is wrong with the movies, because from the very get-go it was already acknowledged that it was going to suck.

Wonder Woman is the only exception, and even then it's only because you're comparing it to these other turds, so of course you're going to relax your expectations for WW for what you expect out of Warner Bros.

I just don't understand why we get these news articles about upcoming DC projects and there's always this attitude that we need to give it a fair shake. No, we don't need to give it a fair shake. It's been incredibly obvious that DC and Warner Bros. have no farking idea what they're doing and haven't had an idea of what they were doing for a long time.

It's like they're Kevin farking Costner who keeps getting work even though it's pretty obvious he's never going to recapture the success of Dances With Wolves, but we keep having people who seem oblivious to the track record of DC who go in like, "Well, maybe this movie would have worked better if..."

Just stop. Nothing would make it work better. It's a bad movie. We knew it was going to be a bad movie. If you're going to watch the movie, just enjoy the movie for how bad it is. MST3K does it all the time.
 
2018-03-05 11:09:54 PM  
It isn't two directors, it's the same director, only one of them is the older time traveling version. And Bruce Willis.
 
2018-03-05 11:27:58 PM  
Weatherkiss:

The problem is DC makes great movies, they're just animated.
 
2018-03-06 02:33:28 AM  
If the first Flash movie is Flashpoint, what are they flashing back TO?
 
2018-03-06 03:55:41 AM  

Alphax: If the first Flash movie is Flashpoint, what are they flashing back TO?


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2018-03-06 05:00:30 AM  
It's too bad the Green Lantern movie wasn't better.. we could have eventually had Blake Lively in this outfit.
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2018-03-06 05:19:33 AM  

doglover: Third... fark it. Yes, I want a live action Justice League movie written by the Teen Titans Go people.


You don't like it because it is its own thing and you would like to see it be more like a crappy anime kids cartoon. Sure.
 
2018-03-06 05:48:03 AM  

LaChanz: a crappy anime kids cartoon


Teen Titans Go is only one of those things.
 
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