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2018-03-05 12:03:42 PM  
I am ok with this.
 
2018-03-05 12:09:55 PM  
Well... at least it's not something that could be called a "3D printer."

Those twits are insufferable.
 
2018-03-05 12:13:15 PM  
is it going to remember not to put onions on my farking burger?
 
2018-03-05 12:24:42 PM  
spit producing robots cost extra.
 
2018-03-05 12:39:40 PM  

Ambivalence: spit producing robots cost extra.


They're such a scam too.  Sure they come with a pre-loaded spit cartridge, but it's only good for a few uses before you have to buy a new one, and those things are expensive.
 
2018-03-05 12:42:20 PM  
I haven't seen teenagers work in fast-food in years :o
 
2018-03-05 12:42:56 PM  
We're on track for fast food restaurants to just be automats:

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2018-03-05 12:44:51 PM  
The same asshole who'd buy one of these things and fires the grill guy is probably the same one that raises holy hell if the grill guy isn't performing 16 other odd jobs in the event he isn't in the process of flipping a burger. $60,000 up front and $12,000 per year for something that can't take out the trash, sweep the lobby, refill the drink machines, unload the truck, etc etc etc.

Get a good crew and treat them well, and they'll get a lot more done than one burger flipping robot. Treat'em like shiat, and give them so much to do that they can't do their primary job, a burger flipping robot won't help you.
 
2018-03-05 12:45:44 PM  
Shiat, the only things in the back of a restaurant more unreliable than the employees themselves are the big hulking pieces of equipment that only the manufacturer can repair.
 
2018-03-05 12:48:08 PM  
Judging by the photo they could double their efficiency if they bought an off the shelf ready to use clamshell grill for any one of the hundreds of restaurant supply companies who sell such devices.

Then again $60,000 isn't a lot of money either so maybe this isn't such a....

There's also a 20-percent recurring annual fee for the robot's leaning and maintenance

There it is.
 
2018-03-05 12:50:04 PM  

Egoy3k: Judging by the photo they could double their efficiency if they bought an off the shelf ready to use clamshell grill for any one of the hundreds of restaurant supply companies who sell such devices.

Then again $60,000 isn't a lot of money either so maybe this isn't such a....

There's also a 20-percent recurring annual fee for the robot's leaning and maintenance

There it is.


Well you certainly don't want them robots leaning to the Left.
 
2018-03-05 12:51:16 PM  

Sophont: The same asshole who'd buy one of these things and fires the grill guy is probably the same one that raises holy hell if the grill guy isn't performing 16 other odd jobs in the event he isn't in the process of flipping a burger. $60,000 up front and $12,000 per year for something that can't take out the trash, sweep the lobby, refill the drink machines, unload the truck, etc etc etc.


This is true as well. When I was a grill cook I kept my entire area clean, stocked shelves, prepped, grilled, made food, and any number of other tasks, good luck getting your money's worth out of this thing.
 
M-G
2018-03-05 12:54:02 PM  
Be sure to tip the robot chefs...
 
2018-03-05 01:11:17 PM  

M-G: Be sure to tip the robot chefs...


No shiat.  Those farkers are relentless!


/ I lost it when the Roomba found Scully's vibrator
// um, I mean "personal massager"
 
2018-03-05 02:03:16 PM  

IHadMeAVision: Shiat, the only things in the back of a restaurant more unreliable than the employees themselves are the big hulking pieces of equipment that only the manufacturer can repair.


Every time I see one of these articles, I think "I will have a job unless the world actually falls apart, and probably one then too". I am a maintenance mechanic for industrial machines (this includes doing things like welding and electrical work). Machines can be very fast and do much more very specific work than humans (the same thing over and over), but they can also fail in expensive ways and require constant maintenance.

It may work out for this company but not because it is cheaper than a human worker. Because it is faster and more consistent, okay. But the costs have to be made up in volume.
 
2018-03-05 02:09:08 PM  
yum . . . that looks delicious and super healthy
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2018-03-05 02:13:21 PM  
Who loads it, cleans it, etc.?

And I echo that "haven't seen a teen in fast food for years", excepting Dairy Queen that seems to always be staffed by teens.
 
2018-03-05 02:58:30 PM  
This is a good thing because every job will be automated one day except mine.
 
2018-03-05 03:22:28 PM  
I've always wondered why high volume burger places didn't have a salamander type (pizza place) oven. A dispenser drops a frozen patty on the the line, flips halfway through, and a few minutes later the cooked patty emerges from the other side into a collector, ready to be scooped to a bun.

I'm no restauranteur or engineer, I just eat a lot of burgers.
 
2018-03-05 03:27:14 PM  

Egoy3k: Sophont: The same asshole who'd buy one of these things and fires the grill guy is probably the same one that raises holy hell if the grill guy isn't performing 16 other odd jobs in the event he isn't in the process of flipping a burger. $60,000 up front and $12,000 per year for something that can't take out the trash, sweep the lobby, refill the drink machines, unload the truck, etc etc etc.

This is true as well. When I was a grill cook I kept my entire area clean, stocked shelves, prepped, grilled, made food, and any number of other tasks, good luck getting your money's worth out of this thing.


Maybe if you're working at one of the Wendy's that looks closed because there's no cars in the parking lot, but at busier stores you get Adam Smith style separation of tasks and responsibilities.
 
2018-03-05 03:42:27 PM  
These freaking morons think that hamburgers will continue to be the top dog. They are wrong. You will see a revolution in fast food offerings once self driving cars become common place.
 
2018-03-05 03:48:58 PM  

mrlewish: These freaking morons think that hamburgers will continue to be the top dog. They are wrong. You will see a revolution in fast food offerings once self driving cars become common place.


. . . we are going to eat the old cars ??
 
2018-03-05 03:55:28 PM  

TravelingFreakshow: I've always wondered why high volume burger places didn't have a salamander type (pizza place) oven. A dispenser drops a frozen patty on the the line, flips halfway through, and a few minutes later the cooked patty emerges from the other side into a collector, ready to be scooped to a bun.

I'm no restauranteur or engineer, I just eat a lot of burgers.


I believe that Carls Jr/Hardee's does that...

/i think a human still has to put the patties on the feed tray, but not positive on that
 
M-G
2018-03-05 03:59:10 PM  

maxx2112: M-G: Be sure to tip the robot chefs...

No shiat.  Those farkers are relentless!


/ I lost it when the Roomba found Scully's vibrator
// um, I mean "personal massager"


And she was notified that it's available in new colors!
 
2018-03-05 04:02:22 PM  

Sophont: The same asshole who'd buy one of these things and fires the grill guy is probably the same one that raises holy hell if the grill guy isn't performing 16 other odd jobs in the event he isn't in the process of flipping a burger. $60,000 up front and $12,000 per year for something that can't take out the trash, sweep the lobby, refill the drink machines, unload the truck, etc etc etc.

Get a good crew and treat them well, and they'll get a lot more done than one burger flipping robot. Treat'em like shiat, and give them so much to do that they can't do their primary job, a burger flipping robot won't help you.


And flipping burgers is all it can currently do. From another FA

Flippy grabs unwrapped burger patties, moves them into position on a hot grill, keeps track of each burger's cook-time and temperature, then alerts human cooks when it's time to apply cheese or other toppings. Flippy plates burgers but doesn't wrap them or add finishing touches like lettuce, tomatoes, avocado or a restaurant's signature sauce.

It's basically a really expensive timer at this point.
 
2018-03-05 04:07:46 PM  
Does this mean you'll support a basic income? No? Then, STFU and pay your workers.
 
2018-03-05 04:11:12 PM  

chevydeuce: TravelingFreakshow: I've always wondered why high volume burger places didn't have a salamander type (pizza place) oven. A dispenser drops a frozen patty on the the line, flips halfway through, and a few minutes later the cooked patty emerges from the other side into a collector, ready to be scooped to a bun.

I'm no restauranteur or engineer, I just eat a lot of burgers.

I believe that Carls Jr/Hardee's does that...

/i think a human still has to put the patties on the feed tray, but not positive on that


How do you get the grill marks on the burger?
 
2018-03-05 04:11:17 PM  

abhorrent1: Sophont: The same asshole who'd buy one of these things and fires the grill guy is probably the same one that raises holy hell if the grill guy isn't performing 16 other odd jobs in the event he isn't in the process of flipping a burger. $60,000 up front and $12,000 per year for something that can't take out the trash, sweep the lobby, refill the drink machines, unload the truck, etc etc etc.

Get a good crew and treat them well, and they'll get a lot more done than one burger flipping robot. Treat'em like shiat, and give them so much to do that they can't do their primary job, a burger flipping robot won't help you.

And flipping burgers is all it can currently do. From another FA

Flippy grabs unwrapped burger patties, moves them into position on a hot grill, keeps track of each burger's cook-time and temperature, then alerts human cooks when it's time to apply cheese or other toppings. Flippy plates burgers but doesn't wrap them or add finishing touches like lettuce, tomatoes, avocado or a restaurant's signature sauce.

It's basically a really expensive timer at this point.


They seriously named it Flippy?

Did they go full Flippy McBurgerFlipperFace?
 
2018-03-05 04:22:25 PM  
We are mere years away from a completely automated porcuswine facility. I cannot wait.
 
2018-03-05 04:23:38 PM  

farkstorm: mrlewish: These freaking morons think that hamburgers will continue to be the top dog. They are wrong. You will see a revolution in fast food offerings once self driving cars become common place.

. . . we are going to eat the old cars ??


No, he means "you'll have both hands free, so you won't be stuck dealing with handmeals." I cannot wait for a drive-thru yakisoba spot.
 
2018-03-05 04:28:10 PM  

HempHead: chevydeuce: TravelingFreakshow: I've always wondered why high volume burger places didn't have a salamander type (pizza place) oven. A dispenser drops a frozen patty on the the line, flips halfway through, and a few minutes later the cooked patty emerges from the other side into a collector, ready to be scooped to a bun.

I'm no restauranteur or engineer, I just eat a lot of burgers.

I believe that Carls Jr/Hardee's does that...

/i think a human still has to put the patties on the feed tray, but not positive on that

How do you get the grill marks on the burger?


The same way they do it now...they're "branded" before cooking.

http://www.foodrepublic.com/2013/05/0​1​/what-are-fake-grill-marks-made-of/
 
2018-03-05 04:29:04 PM  

HempHead: chevydeuce: TravelingFreakshow: I've always wondered why high volume burger places didn't have a salamander type (pizza place) oven. A dispenser drops a frozen patty on the the line, flips halfway through, and a few minutes later the cooked patty emerges from the other side into a collector, ready to be scooped to a bun.

I'm no restauranteur or engineer, I just eat a lot of burgers.

I believe that Carls Jr/Hardee's does that...

/i think a human still has to put the patties on the feed tray, but not positive on that

How do you get the grill marks on the burger?


You paint them on, like Burger King does.
 
2018-03-05 04:45:01 PM  

wildcardjack: Egoy3k: Sophont: The same asshole who'd buy one of these things and fires the grill guy is probably the same one that raises holy hell if the grill guy isn't performing 16 other odd jobs in the event he isn't in the process of flipping a burger. $60,000 up front and $12,000 per year for something that can't take out the trash, sweep the lobby, refill the drink machines, unload the truck, etc etc etc.

This is true as well. When I was a grill cook I kept my entire area clean, stocked shelves, prepped, grilled, made food, and any number of other tasks, good luck getting your money's worth out of this thing.

Maybe if you're working at one of the Wendy's that looks closed because there's no cars in the parking lot, but at busier stores you get Adam Smith style separation of tasks and responsibilities.


In all the places I've worked it's never been for Wendy's, but in my experience it all comes down to the manager. In some places, you will be doing things beyond your specific tasks and responsibilities because there aren't enough people on shift to accomplish everything that needs done and every second you don't appear to be working is money out of the boss's pocket.
 
2018-03-05 04:45:37 PM  
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/unimpressed
 
2018-03-05 05:25:11 PM  

brizzle365: I haven't seen teenagers work in fast-food in years :o


I was coming in here to say something similar.  The only place I've seen it is in small town USA.  Urban and suburban areas are, for the most part, not staffed by teens.  Immigrant labor provides the bulk of the workers in my area.
 
2018-03-05 05:43:59 PM  

EasilyDistracted: HempHead: chevydeuce: TravelingFreakshow: I've always wondered why high volume burger places didn't have a salamander type (pizza place) oven. A dispenser drops a frozen patty on the the line, flips halfway through, and a few minutes later the cooked patty emerges from the other side into a collector, ready to be scooped to a bun.

I'm no restauranteur or engineer, I just eat a lot of burgers.

I believe that Carls Jr/Hardee's does that...

/i think a human still has to put the patties on the feed tray, but not positive on that

How do you get the grill marks on the burger?

You paint them on, like Burger King does.


That's sounds so delicious 🤤
 
2018-03-05 08:55:54 PM  
When Starbucks gets these and you enter your name it will still fark it up. 

You'll enter Martha and it will say Mothra....

but that won't happen till 2035 when they perfect AI smugness and forced irony. That kind of programming is really obscure. You probably never heard of it.
 
2018-03-05 09:31:03 PM  
So about those minimum wage hikes...

Sure nice to have higher wages and fewer jobs.

No one could have predicted this.
 
2018-03-05 10:08:18 PM  
"...there's hope for long-term benefits in an industry where turnover is a big obstacle in keeping a kitchen up and running."

 You could always try not treating your employees like sh*t. Maybe then you'll stop whining that good help is hard to find.
 
2018-03-05 11:50:44 PM  
...but is very unlikely to spit on your food


Strategic oil leaks will be a feature of v2.0.
 
2018-03-06 12:07:55 AM  
At least when they were flipping burgers you could keep track of where the spit was.
 
2018-03-06 12:10:09 AM  

Te Ne Cede Malis: So about those minimum wage hikes...

Sure nice to have higher wages and fewer jobs.

No one could have predicted this.


You're right. In fact, get rid of payroll all together and threaten them with incarceration if they don't hold an unpaid internship.
 
2018-03-06 01:18:16 AM  

FormlessOne: No, he means "you'll have both hands free, so you won't be stuck dealing with handmeals." I cannot wait for a drive-thru yakisoba spot.


That sounds lovely, but no matter how free my hands are the streets won't have fewer potholes and broken pavement. If it's sufficiently wet that's just going to mean I have both hands free to mop up my pants.
 
2018-03-06 02:24:55 AM  
I work where there used to be a machine that did one aspect of manual labor.

Turns out the machine was so inaccurate, so hard to calibrate, and so prone to break down that it was quickly decided to go back to hiring several part-time employees to do that job.
 
2018-03-06 04:14:21 AM  

puffy999: I work where there used to be a machine that did one aspect of manual labor.

Turns out the machine was so inaccurate, so hard to calibrate, and so prone to break down that it was quickly decided to go back to hiring several part-time employees to do that job.


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The boss tried one of these newfangled things. Cost a fortune, always getting stuck or breaking down.

While ol' Nellie just needed a pasture and some water.

No way these contraptions will ever succeed.
 
2018-03-06 09:39:33 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: puffy999: I work where there used to be a machine that did one aspect of manual labor.

Turns out the machine was so inaccurate, so hard to calibrate, and so prone to break down that it was quickly decided to go back to hiring several part-time employees to do that job.

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The boss tried one of these newfangled things. Cost a fortune, always getting stuck or breaking down.

While ol' Nellie just needed a pasture and some water.

No way these contraptions will ever succeed.


Yes, you certainly missed the point. Congratulations.

Robots are great on large production lines, in warehouses, etc. Or performing small, specific, niche tasks requiring inhuman precision and accuracy. But at some point the basics of cost efficiency come into play. And while something like fast food can easily be further automated, the new, magical robots are likely only going to be implemented by contractual obligation to the franchisees, and it will only happen when such equipment is perfected.

Logistically, we are talking about new restaurant designs which largely aren't here. Sure, we have occasional gimmicks like the frozen yogurt robot pyramid scheme, but that's a far cry from making a meal. And perhaps in a place like Tokyo, an automated cooking system could save a million bucks in property costs, so it would make sense. But for the I80 offramp Hardee's? Not soon.

Cars won out over horses because they are faster, and easier, and better in every way.
 
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