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2018-03-05 11:15:38 AM  
I'd love to just stay on daylight savings time year round. The biggest downside I can think of is kids would have to wait at their bus stops in the dark for part of the Winter. With current school hours anyway.
 
2018-03-05 11:21:19 AM  
Move it 30 minutes ahead and leave it.
 
2018-03-05 11:23:45 AM  
I'll go a step further. Get rid of time zones altogether. UTC for everyone.

/I'm actually somewhat serious
 
2018-03-05 11:26:44 AM  

Gubbo: I'll go a step further. Get rid of time zones altogether. UTC for everyone.

/I'm actually somewhat serious


That's worse than time zones. At least with the definition that "12pm ~ Noon", you know instantly whether it is daytime or nighttime in another part of the world, which is easier to remember than trying to remember what time of day 12pm is in different parts of the world.
 
2018-03-05 11:28:05 AM  

Gubbo: I'll go a step further. Get rid of time zones altogether. UTC for everyone.

/I'm actually somewhat serious


It would requite a major paradigm shift, but it would simplify things in so many areas, it may be worth considering.

Of course, any time system which didn't allow NYC to pretend it's the center of the universe may pose some significant challenges to adoption.
 
2018-03-05 11:31:12 AM  
Daylight Saving Time constitutes the entirety of the current US energy policy.  Scrap that, and Congress will have to start over from scratch.  Do you really want this Congress getting involved in ANYTHING at this point?
 
2018-03-05 11:31:12 AM  

no1curr: Gubbo: I'll go a step further. Get rid of time zones altogether. UTC for everyone.

/I'm actually somewhat serious

That's worse than time zones. At least with the definition that "12pm ~ Noon", you know instantly whether it is daytime or nighttime in another part of the world, which is easier to remember than trying to remember what time of day 12pm is in different parts of the world.


It's 3am in New York. Is a business in Singapore open? And what time is it?

It doesn't make time any less of a problem. It just puts the world on a single time. Essentially though, you'd have to retrain the world to sleep at 2pm or 8am or something.

It simplifies some things. My Singapore example, rather than try and work out the local time, you just need to know what time they work. Ok, so it has the exact same number of problems, they're just different problems.

/anything that gets rid of yesterday or tomorrow problems is a good thing in a global connected online economy
 
2018-03-05 11:36:35 AM  

Gubbo: I'll go a step further. Get rid of time zones altogether. UTC for everyone.

/I'm actually somewhat serious


So a bit like China then?
 
2018-03-05 11:41:18 AM  

Cheesehead_Dave: Gubbo: I'll go a step further. Get rid of time zones altogether. UTC for everyone.

/I'm actually somewhat serious

So a bit like China then?


I didn't know that. But yes.
 
2018-03-05 11:45:19 AM  

Cheesehead_Dave: Gubbo: I'll go a step further. Get rid of time zones altogether. UTC for everyone.

/I'm actually somewhat serious

So a bit like China then?


PRESIDENT FOR LIFE!!
 
2018-03-05 11:50:50 AM  
I hate daylight savings time with a passion.

I'm a huge snowflake baby when it comes to my sleep schedule and I hate messing with it, DST puts me in a good weeklong funk either way. Bah.
 
2018-03-05 11:55:29 AM  

shortymac: I hate daylight savings time with a passion.

I'm a huge snowflake baby when it comes to my sleep schedule and I hate messing with it, DST puts me in a good weeklong funk either way. Bah.


If you can just ignore your clock, it doesn't matter what time other people think it is.
 
2018-03-05 11:56:00 AM  
Doesn't really matter up here in WA. It's dark in the winter, and light in the summer.

Though I am looking forward to the sun setting at 7:00 starting next week.
 
2018-03-05 12:00:29 PM  
This is a letter to the editor in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette on 16 April 2007:

You may have noticed that March of this year was particularly hot. As a matter of fact, I understand that it was the hottest March since the beginning of the last century. All of the trees were fully leafed out and legions of bugs and snakes were crawling around during a time in Arkansas when, on a normal year, we might see a snowflake or two.

This should come as no surprise to any reasonable person. As you know, Daylight Saving Time started almost a month early this year. You would think that members of Congress would have considered the warming effect that an extra hour of daylight would have on our climate. Or did they?

Perhaps this is another plot by a liberal Congress to make us believe that global warming is a real threat. Perhaps next time there should be serious studies performed before Congress passes laws with such far-reaching effects.

CONNIE M. MESKIMEN
Hot Springs

/No, Connie is never serious....
 
2018-03-05 12:01:27 PM  
So in other words, it's a lot like supply-side economics?
 
2018-03-05 12:12:35 PM  
You people changing the clocks are all insane.

/Arizonan
 
2018-03-05 12:15:07 PM  
At the urging of the National Association of Convenience Stores, to increase candy sales with an extra "hour" of trick-or-treating on Halloween. After this change, Halloween became the #2 commercial holiday in the United States, behind only Christmas.

That sounds like a good-enough reason for me.  We need to keep trick-or-treating alive.

The extra traffic fatalities just add to the spooky factor.
 
2018-03-05 12:21:22 PM  
oblig.

Daylight Saving Time - How Is This Still A Thing?: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube br0NW9ufUUw
 
2018-03-05 12:25:15 PM  

Gubbo: I'll go a step further. Get rid of time zones altogether. UTC for everyone.

/I'm actually somewhat serious


As a ham radio operator, I'm down with that.  I keep a clock or two set for UTC anyway.

Ain't no time like Zulu time!
 
2018-03-05 12:28:58 PM  

Driedsponge: It would requite a major paradigm shift, but it would simplify things in so many areas, it may be worth considering.


Ask China and Russia how well it works out. Especially the places especially far-flung from Moscow and Beijing.

Remember, Los Angeles is 9 hours from the meridian.
 
2018-03-05 12:33:37 PM  

Driedsponge: Gubbo: I'll go a step further. Get rid of time zones altogether. UTC for everyone.

/I'm actually somewhat serious

It would requite a major paradigm shift, but it would simplify things in so many areas, it may be worth considering.

Of course, any time system which didn't allow NYC London to pretend it's the center of the universe may pose some significant challenges to adoption.


ftfy

/also we should move the prime meridian to Florence so the international date line goes right down the Bering Strait
 
2018-03-05 12:34:54 PM  
Chicago - Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?
Youtube 7uy0ldI_1HA
 
2018-03-05 12:37:54 PM  
The "author" shreds a lot of straw men in this article. For instance, nobody ever said DST helps farmers.
 
2018-03-05 12:39:29 PM  

bingethinker: The "author" shreds a lot of straw men in this article. For instance, nobody ever said DST helps farmers.


When asked about DST, I'd bet almost every single answer will be something about farming.
 
2018-03-05 12:40:17 PM  

bingethinker: The "author" shreds a lot of straw men in this article. For instance, nobody ever said DST helps farmers.


I never got that "reason." The farm schedule is: sunup-sundown.
Clocks are optional.
 
2018-03-05 12:43:44 PM  
Stupid article is stupid. It helps standard working hours line up with the actual daylight hours. If you're too stupid to understand that, you're too stupid to have an opinion on whether we should keep it or not.
 
2018-03-05 12:44:32 PM  

bekaye: This is a letter to the editor in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette on 16 April 2007:

You may have noticed that March of this year was particularly hot. As a matter of fact, I understand that it was the hottest March since the beginning of the last century. All of the trees were fully leafed out and legions of bugs and snakes were crawling around during a time in Arkansas when, on a normal year, we might see a snowflake or two.

This should come as no surprise to any reasonable person. As you know, Daylight Saving Time started almost a month early this year. You would think that members of Congress would have considered the warming effect that an extra hour of daylight would have on our climate. Or did they?

Perhaps this is another plot by a liberal Congress to make us believe that global warming is a real threat. Perhaps next time there should be serious studies performed before Congress passes laws with such far-reaching effects.

CONNIE M. MESKIMEN
Hot Springs

/No, Connie is never serious....


Just in case you want more background.
https://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/​d​aylight.asp
 
2018-03-05 12:45:37 PM  

whidbey: bingethinker: The "author" shreds a lot of straw men in this article. For instance, nobody ever said DST helps farmers.

I never got that "reason." The farm schedule is: sunup-sundown.
Clocks are optional.


Dairy cows don't like schedule changes.
 
2018-03-05 12:47:39 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: You people changing the clocks are all insane.

/Arizonan


I'm in Colorado and I have a friend who lives in Arizona.  My shower clock matches his time half the year because I can't be bothered to change it for DST.
 
2018-03-05 12:51:47 PM  

Gubbo: I'll go a step further. Get rid of time zones altogether. UTC for everyone.

/I'm actually somewhat serious


Somebody .beat you to it already.

/ Fun fact: Phantasy Star Online ran on SIT
 
2018-03-05 12:57:34 PM  

This text is now purple: Driedsponge: It would requite a major paradigm shift, but it would simplify things in so many areas, it may be worth considering.

Ask China and Russia how well it works out. Especially the places especially far-flung from Moscow and Beijing.

Remember, Los Angeles is 9 hours from the meridian.


I think Russia actually does have separate time zones - something like 17 different time zones across the country.

India is the other big country that has only one time zone.
 
2018-03-05 12:59:42 PM  
When people complain passionately about the clock changing an hour, I can't help but think they really need a good death in the family or a good month in the hospital to help them get their priorities straight.
 
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2018-03-05 01:03:12 PM  

bingethinker: The "author" shreds a lot of straw men in this article. For instance, nobody ever said DST helps farmers.


He never asked me if I like having an extra hour of light in the evening for my golf or my daughter's T-ball games either.
 
2018-03-05 01:03:35 PM  

IHadMeAVision: When people complain passionately about the clock changing an hour, I can't help but think they really need a good death in the family or a good month in the hospital to help them get their priorities straight.


Ah. The small annoyances of people annoy me. So I shall wish serious annoyance on them.

/You seem nice
 
2018-03-05 01:11:16 PM  

Arkanaut: This text is now purple: Driedsponge: It would requite a major paradigm shift, but it would simplify things in so many areas, it may be worth considering.

Ask China and Russia how well it works out. Especially the places especially far-flung from Moscow and Beijing.

Remember, Los Angeles is 9 hours from the meridian.

I think Russia actually does have separate time zones - something like 17 different time zones across the country.

India is the other big country that has only one time zone.


India is big, but substantially smaller than Canada, China, or the US (like 1/3 the area). It also isn't stretched too far longitudinally. They use a time central to the country and the country is roughly two theoretical time zone wide. Which isn't too out of line. China could probably get away with one time zone, but they use the time zone for Beijing on the eastern edge of the country.

That said, it is a lot easier to know the offset or time in another country than to memorize what their daily schedule is.
 
2018-03-05 01:11:29 PM  

IHadMeAVision: When people complain passionately about the clock changing an hour, I can't help but think they really need a good death in the family or a good month in the hospital to help them get their priorities straight.


When people complain passionately about people complaining passionately about the clock changing an hour, I can't help but think they lack empathy, and have no actual concern for human lives given the increase in accidents and heart attacks.
 
2018-03-05 01:15:11 PM  
Teen Titans Go! Titan Saving Time Clip 5
Youtube vGEEVbVzsyA


/ DST?
// ZFG
 
2018-03-05 01:19:15 PM  
I've lived in south FL and near the Canadian border. People that don't live up north really can't grasp the absolute necessity for the switch.  Christmas morning sunrise would be 8:56am.  If you went the other way, sunrise would be 4:11am in mid-June.

Not the best option, but one compromise would be splitting the country N/S into 8 zones, the southern tier staying on one time year-round.  Maybe run the line along northern Indiana and let's the states along that parallel choose.

Personally, I favor UTC.
 
2018-03-05 01:19:35 PM  
It would be nice to not change, but it also means that cities on the Western edge of their respective time zone won't get sunrise until around 9am in January. That's undesirable for a few reasons, but one of the biggest is the risk to school children from cars.
 
2018-03-05 01:21:43 PM  

Fallout Zone: I've lived in south FL and near the Canadian border. People that don't live up north really can't grasp the absolute necessity for the switch.  Christmas morning sunrise would be 8:56am.  If you went the other way, sunrise would be 4:11am in mid-June.

Not the best option, but one compromise would be splitting the country N/S into 8 zones, the southern tier staying on one time year-round.  Maybe run the line along northern Indiana and let's the states along that parallel choose.

Personally, I favor UTC.


I live North of the Canadian border and I would prefer permanent DST or no DST to what we have now.
 
2018-03-05 01:22:52 PM  
Luckily, Forbes is here with "science" to help.
 
2018-03-05 01:26:53 PM  

dywed88: Fallout Zone: I've lived in south FL and near the Canadian border. People that don't live up north really can't grasp the absolute necessity for the switch.  Christmas morning sunrise would be 8:56am.  If you went the other way, sunrise would be 4:11am in mid-June.

Not the best option, but one compromise would be splitting the country N/S into 8 zones, the southern tier staying on one time year-round.  Maybe run the line along northern Indiana and let's the states along that parallel choose.

Personally, I favor UTC.

I live North of the Canadian border and I would prefer permanent DST or no DST to what we have now.


Which would you prefer - the super early sun-up in the summer or the late sun-up in the winter?  It would have driven me crazy either way.  At least the way it is now, it is light before a majority of people start work.  If you went with the late sunrise, it is entirely possible that you do not see sun at all during the day.
 
2018-03-05 01:28:16 PM  
I just love that at my latitude at the normal commute time the sun is just a few degrees above the horizon for the weeks leading up to the spring time change.  And then a week or two of having the sun high enough that it doesn't blind me in the drive into work.  And then we change the clocks and another couple of weeks of being blinded.

Sure seems safer.
 
2018-03-05 01:29:35 PM  

Rapmaster2000: It would be nice to not change, but it also means that cities on the Western edge of their respective time zone won't get sunrise until around 9am in January. That's undesirable for a few reasons, but one of the biggest is the risk to school children from cars.


Because we can't install lights at bus stops. Everyone else has to suffer these inane time changes twice a year.
 
2018-03-05 01:35:23 PM  
How can science not back up that in the summer I can get 18 holes of golf in after work, but without DST I couldn't?

I would love it year round, the sun going down at 4:30 in winter sucks, and in the summer, I have no use for the sunlight before I wake up to go to work at 6.
 
2018-03-05 01:36:39 PM  

whidbey: Rapmaster2000: It would be nice to not change, but it also means that cities on the Western edge of their respective time zone won't get sunrise until around 9am in January. That's undesirable for a few reasons, but one of the biggest is the risk to school children from cars.

Because we can't install lights at bus stops. Everyone else has to suffer these inane time changes twice a year.


A more reasonable solution is to, I dunno, have entities that are affected by daylight adjust their hours of operation to match the actual daylight. Like they do in say, everywhere that doesn't bother with changing the clock. Kids shouldn't be going to school before 9AM regardless.
 
2018-03-05 01:37:56 PM  
Sometime in the last 20 years my internal clock went half-circadian.  I wake up best right at the moment of dawn, minutes before the birds start in.  This sucks in December (hard to get out of bed for work) and June (let myself go back to sleep for "a bit" but wind up oversleeping anyhow).  But it has the amusing side effect that I'm already pre-adjusted for the switchover before it happens.

Permanent EDT would be extra-sucky in the winter for me.  Permanant standard time would be extra-extra sucky in the summer.  The middle road works well enough for me, though I'd really like 2 more...

Anyway, this kind of chart always helped illustrate why it's pretty useful to keep.

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-03-05 01:37:59 PM  

Omnidirectional Punching: whidbey: Rapmaster2000: It would be nice to not change, but it also means that cities on the Western edge of their respective time zone won't get sunrise until around 9am in January. That's undesirable for a few reasons, but one of the biggest is the risk to school children from cars.

Because we can't install lights at bus stops. Everyone else has to suffer these inane time changes twice a year.

A more reasonable solution is to, I dunno, have entities that are affected by daylight adjust their hours of operation to match the actual daylight. Like they do in say, everywhere that doesn't bother with changing the clock. Kids shouldn't be going to school before 9AM regardless.


[I'm OK with this.jpg]
 
2018-03-05 01:50:40 PM  
I don't get why they just didn't make this a societal change instead of having to screw with the clocks.  Such as "hey everyone, it's daylight savings this weekend. next week don't forget to come in at 9 instead of 8."  And when everyone agrees that's how things work, it doesn't have to come down to weird time calculations.

Check your smoke detector battteries
 
2018-03-05 01:50:54 PM  

Gubbo: Ah. The small annoyances of people annoy me. So I shall wish serious annoyance on them.

/You seem nice


I thought we were supposed to do the hyperbole in daylight time savings thread, da?
 
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