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2018-03-05 10:10:00 AM  
Salt increases your blood pressure if your body chemistry is sensitive to sodium intake.  For those with such risk factors, a low-sodium diet is a solid plan.  But everyone following a low-sodium diet will not see such benefits, since they're not in a risk window.  Sort of like recommending everyone wear a climbing harness and lanyard for fall protection even if only those on ladders and scaffolds are at risk.

While a reduction in processed-food consumption is a good idea, this passage in particular stood out: The study found that average salt intake across the study was 10.7g a day. The average intake for the UK was 8.5g, while the intake for the USA, China and Japan were 9.6g, 13.4g and 11.7g respectively. Does hypertension incidence track those consumption rates?  Not really discussed in TFA.  Hypertension is considerably more prevalent in Sub-Saharan Africa and other developing areas.

The conclusion of this article, that more study is needed, is apt.  For those who are sensitive to sodium intake, only lowering that intake will really solve the problem compared to trying to balance it out.
 
2018-03-05 10:58:55 AM  
As someone who is on a low sodium diet...stoopid heart...yeah. it's a bugger. Because sodium is in a surprising amount of stuff. The good news is that is that when you cut out the processed crap, it's actually pretty easy to avoid. Though...the lack of soy sauce now...that's a rough one. Stoopid heart...
 
2018-03-05 12:02:21 PM  
I just started Metoprolol this Saturday. My blood and heart rate has already dropped without any changes to my diet. I plan on dropping salt next week and see what that does to my body. I'll probably die from detox.
 
2018-03-05 12:21:17 PM  
Too much can kill you, and so can too little.

Scary Story Bro:

Last year, one of my best friends almost lost his wife....her diet is very healthful, but she made the mistake of not getting enough sodium.  She went to hot yoga one day, felt off, and drover home.  Later that night, she had seizure while she was asleep.  Thankfully, she made it to the hospital in time, and made a full recovery.

The really scary part is that one of the doctors told my friend "You might want to start making plans."
 
2018-03-05 12:46:33 PM  

hubiestubert: As someone who is on a low sodium diet...stoopid heart...yeah. it's a bugger.


Cretin. =)
 
2018-03-05 12:49:42 PM  
But I only eat all natural sea salt, it's healthier.
 
2018-03-05 12:54:14 PM  
A "healthy diet" top out at 2400 mg of sodium a day.

It is not easy staying under that number.
 
2018-03-05 12:56:22 PM  
This just in, Doctors say that enjoying your self will kill you.
 
2018-03-05 12:57:45 PM  

factoryconnection: While a reduction in processed-food consumption is a good idea, this passage in particular stood out: The study found that average salt intake across the study was 10.7g a day. The average intake for the UK was 8.5g, while the intake for the USA, China and Japan were 9.6g, 13.4g and 11.7g respectively. Does hypertension incidence track those consumption rates? Not really discussed in TFA. Hypertension is considerably more prevalent in Sub-Saharan Africa and other developing areas.


How the hell was Japan so low? Every time I looked at a nutritional label there, sodium was measured in grams. And that was for normal food, and not thinks like ramen (salt flavored salt broth).
 
2018-03-05 12:59:33 PM  
Common symptoms of low blood sodium include:

weakness
fatigue or low energy
headache
nausea
vomiting
muscle cramps or spasms
confusion
irritability
 
2018-03-05 12:59:35 PM  
I'm on a see salt diet.
 
2018-03-05 01:00:10 PM  

stuhayes2010: But I only eat all natural sea salt, it's healthier.


All Natural, Organic, Artisan Himalayan Sea Salt is the most healthy.
 
2018-03-05 01:02:13 PM  

hubiestubert: As someone who is on a low sodium diet...stoopid heart...yeah. it's a bugger. Because sodium is in a surprising amount of stuff. The good news is that is that when you cut out the processed crap, it's actually pretty easy to avoid. Though...the lack of soy sauce now...that's a rough one. Stoopid heart...


https://www.glutenfreeandmore.com/blo​g​/Gluten-Free-Soy-Sauce-3228-1.html

I can't verify if it's any good as I haven't tried it, but it might be something to look at.

Also on a low sodium diet, but it's actually been kind of fun, because I've been making stuff more often now.   Right now, as part of my lunch, I'm eating pickled onions and cabbage I made from an 18th Century recipe, and it has no salt in it whatsoever.

Plus, I've swapped over to some different seasonings to keep things interesting but still relatively low sodium.  For example, I've started using wasabi, low sodium Worcestershire sauce, liquid smoke, and Mrs. Dash has a whole line of good seasonings*, especially the extra spicy, steak, and onion and garlic.

I even re-created my own version of Frank's Hot Sauce using potassium chloride instead of salt because the only low-sodium hot sauce is original Tabasco, and I waver on that one:  Too much heat, or not enough flavor, or both.

*The Original flavor does suck, though.
 
2018-03-05 01:04:05 PM  
I have to limit my sodium intake, and it was a revelation how much "good tasting" food is simply heavily salted food.

Also a revelation how the other flavors come through without the salt. I am particularly pleased with the chicken stock I make. Tonight I'm making my second round of asparagus soup of the season. No salt, nobody notices the absence.
 
2018-03-05 01:05:26 PM  

stuhayes2010: But I only eat all natural sea salt, it's healthier.


I have heard more than one person say that in earnest.
 
2018-03-05 01:07:43 PM  
Don't eat Blue Apron.  Add Salt, is their main advice.
 
2018-03-05 01:12:02 PM  

trialpha: factoryconnection: While a reduction in processed-food consumption is a good idea, this passage in particular stood out: The study found that average salt intake across the study was 10.7g a day. The average intake for the UK was 8.5g, while the intake for the USA, China and Japan were 9.6g, 13.4g and 11.7g respectively. Does hypertension incidence track those consumption rates? Not really discussed in TFA. Hypertension is considerably more prevalent in Sub-Saharan Africa and other developing areas.

How the hell was Japan so low? Every time I looked at a nutritional label there, sodium was measured in grams. And that was for normal food, and not thinks like ramen (salt flavored salt broth).


I've not been there in 20 years but based on that experience it has to be based on not eating a lot of food in general.  I was stunned by how salty the food was there, the only thing I didn't like about the various styles of cuisine I tried.
 
2018-03-05 01:17:33 PM  

Lorenzo Von Matterhorn: Common symptoms of low blood sodium include:

weakness
fatigue or low energy
headache
nausea
vomiting
muscle cramps or spasms
confusion
irritability


D1vwife checks the boxes off on every one of those.  Her BP has been running around 75/55 for the last 6 months.  Doctors seem to be baffled as to the cause.

\lots of salt pills and gulping down water
\\weekly blood panels to try and detect some anomaly
\\\Mayo clinic if that doesn't work
 
2018-03-05 01:24:12 PM  

The_Sponge: Last year, one of my best friends almost lost his wife....her diet is very healthful, but she made the mistake of not getting enough sodium.


She didn't get any salt cravings?

After a long hike, I crave pretzels, salami, popcorn, etc, anything salty.

// There was even one occasion where I sprinkled salt in my palm and licked it up like a damned deer.
 
2018-03-05 01:32:38 PM  

Lorenzo Von Matterhorn: Common symptoms of low blood sodium include:

weakness
fatigue or low energy
headache
nausea
vomiting
muscle cramps or spasms
confusion
irritability


Also the symptoms of about everything else or side effects of all medication
 
2018-03-05 01:40:11 PM  

lordargent: The_Sponge: Last year, one of my best friends almost lost his wife....her diet is very healthful, but she made the mistake of not getting enough sodium.

She didn't get any salt cravings?

After a long hike, I crave pretzels, salami, popcorn, etc, anything salty.

// There was even one occasion where I sprinkled salt in my palm and licked it up like a damned deer.



That's a good question, and to be honest, I never asked her.

/I prefer salty over sweet.
//Confession time:
///In my fridge, I have some black bean garlic sauce, and when I crave some salt, I take a small sip.
////And it's awesome when you splash it on chicken wings.
 
2018-03-05 02:10:50 PM  
I cut out salting my food with table salt years ago. But I don't really look at the salt intake from the food that I eat, either. It seems to work out OK for me doing that.

/trying to cut out sugar is much, much harder
 
2018-03-05 02:13:30 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: A "healthy diet" top out at 2400 mg of sodium a day.

It is not easy staying under that number.


People should be so lucky! FTA:

"The study found that average salt intake across the study was 10.7g a day. The average intake for the UK was 8.5g, while the intake for the USA, China and Japan were 9.6g, 13.4g and 11.7g respectively."

An averageof 10,700mg? That sounds completely insane. I can see China and Japan running a little hot on the total sodiums (Soy Sauce will get ya every time), but that's just a wild stat to look at.

I'm on a low sodium restriction for my heart and rarely push more than 1800mg per day. It is totally do-able, you just have to read every label and watch those portion sizes.
 
2018-03-05 02:39:13 PM  

Wingchild: "The study found that average salt intake across the study was 10.7g a day. The average intake for the UK was 8.5g, while the intake for the USA, China and Japan were 9.6g, 13.4g and 11.7g respectively."


It is significant that salt, sodium chloride, is only 23/56 (40%) sodium by weight, so a 2400mg sodium diet would work out to 6.0g of salt.
 
2018-03-05 02:41:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: A "healthy diet" top out at 2400 mg of sodium a day.

It is not easy staying under that number.


*checks* That's about a half teaspoon! yikes.
 
2018-03-05 02:44:26 PM  

hubiestubert: Though...the lack of soy sauce now...that's a rough one. Stoopid heart...


Try coconut aminos. Not the same, but passable. They also have a bit of sweetness, but no sugar.

Expensive though.
 
2018-03-05 02:47:50 PM  
Osmosis. If you know about osmosis, blood pressure, what affects it, and how to deal with that, becomes plain.

Fill your veins with relatively salty fluid? Of course they will end up full of too much liquid.
 
2018-03-05 02:49:23 PM  

factoryconnection: Wingchild: "The study found that average salt intake across the study was 10.7g a day. The average intake for the UK was 8.5g, while the intake for the USA, China and Japan were 9.6g, 13.4g and 11.7g respectively."

It is significant that salt, sodium chloride, is only 23/56 (40%) sodium by weight, so a 2400mg sodium diet would work out to 6.0g of salt.


okay so that's actually closer to 1.25 t of table salt then
 
2018-03-05 03:42:04 PM  

The_Sponge: Too much can kill you, and so can too little.

Scary Story Bro:

Last year, one of my best friends almost lost his wife....her diet is very healthful, but she made the mistake of not getting enough sodium.  She went to hot yoga one day, felt off, and drover home.  Later that night, she had seizure while she was asleep.  Thankfully, she made it to the hospital in time, and made a full recovery.

The really scary part is that one of the doctors told my friend "You might want to start making plans."


When I lost all my blubber on a ketogenic diet, the tricky part in the beginning was actually getting enough sodium (and K, Mg, and Ca) to offset what I was pissing out as all the excess water weight was released during the first couple weeks.
Since the only "processed" food I ate was bacon, I salted damn near everything I ate quite liberally.
 
2018-03-05 03:47:15 PM  
The no-salt czars are trying to kill you.

Salt: Are you getting Enough? (More Sodium & Health)
Youtube amJ-ev8Ial8
 
2018-03-05 04:57:32 PM  
Don't forget extra potassium can balance excess sodium's effects.
 
2018-03-05 09:40:47 PM  

El Dudereno: The_Sponge: Too much can kill you, and so can too little.

Scary Story Bro:

Last year, one of my best friends almost lost his wife....her diet is very healthful, but she made the mistake of not getting enough sodium.  She went to hot yoga one day, felt off, and drover home.  Later that night, she had seizure while she was asleep.  Thankfully, she made it to the hospital in time, and made a full recovery.

The really scary part is that one of the doctors told my friend "You might want to start making plans."

When I lost all my blubber on a ketogenic diet, the tricky part in the beginning was actually getting enough sodium (and K, Mg, and Ca) to offset what I was pissing out as all the excess water weight was released during the first couple weeks.
Since the only "processed" food I ate was bacon, I salted damn near everything I ate quite liberally.


Oh wow.
 
2018-03-06 12:53:03 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: A "healthy diet" top out at 2400 mg of sodium a day.

It is not easy staying under that number.


It's not really all that tough if you avoid processed food and cook from scratch. I changed my diet a few years ago. I stopped using salt (except when I ferment vegetables) and started cooking pretty much everything from scratch. I use a fitness app (my fitness pal) to track what I eat, how much I exercise, etc. I'm not always 100% accurate in logging everything, but I'm pretty close.

According to the app, I never exceeded 2000 mg of sodium in the past 7 days (I could go back further and probably find similar results, with occasional spikes when I eat out). I wonder sometimes if I should use more salt since I exercise a fair amount, but I remember when I worked on a railroad in summer during college, I craved salt (I could pour salt on food and not think it tasted salty) due to how much I sweated out, so I think if I had a deficiency, I'd have some hints.

It would probably be difficult for me to stay under the 1500 mg that the AHA considers ideal. But it probably wouldn't be all that difficult for me to average 1500 mg per day.

I'll admit that it was difficult when I first cut salt out, but now, when I go out to eat, I find that I end up drinking a LOT of water and everything tastes really salty to me.
 
2018-03-06 01:06:39 AM  

El Dudereno: The_Sponge: Too much can kill you, and so can too little.

Scary Story Bro:

Last year, one of my best friends almost lost his wife....her diet is very healthful, but she made the mistake of not getting enough sodium.  She went to hot yoga one day, felt off, and drover home.  Later that night, she had seizure while she was asleep.  Thankfully, she made it to the hospital in time, and made a full recovery.

The really scary part is that one of the doctors told my friend "You might want to start making plans."

When I lost all my blubber on a ketogenic diet, the tricky part in the beginning was actually getting enough sodium (and K, Mg, and Ca) to offset what I was pissing out as all the excess water weight was released during the first couple weeks.
Since the only "processed" food I ate was bacon, I salted damn near everything I ate quite liberally.


I started on a keytogenic lifestyle back in 99 after major spine surgery. After a year of recovery, got back into vinyasa hot yoga and later CrossFit. I do at least an hour of heavy exercise 4-5 days a week.
There are 9 different kinds of salt in the house at the moment (even have blue salt).
I salt everything.
 
2018-03-06 08:24:28 AM  

Wingchild: I'm on a low sodium restriction for my heart and rarely push more than 1800mg per day. It is totally do-able, you just have to read every label and watch those portion sizes.


I'd go even farther and say that less than 1,000mg is very doable.  For example, my breakfast this morning consists of a greek yogurt with 45mg, and a couple servings worth of trail mix at 35mg a serving, so 70mg.  That gets me to 120mg.  Lunch today is going to be a salad with lettuce and peppers, at 38.3mg plus plus about 8mg, plus dressing at 55mg, plus a 2 oz piece of Swiss cheese at 100mg.

So that gets me to a total of 321.3mg.  So that leaves me with a lot of wiggle-room when it comes to dinner, and a lot of things you'd eat for dinner don't typically have a lot of sodium.  For example, if I have a steak, baked potato, and (no salt) green beans for dinner, that's only going to be about 70 to 100mg.  Maybe another 20mg if I use low-sodium worcestershire sauce on the steak.  Then for a snack later, low sodium corn chips (55mg) and home-made salsa (10mg-ish).

Even if I get a rotisserie chicken instead, the sodium content for a serving is less than 500mg, so that still brings me in below 1,000mg.
 
2018-03-06 05:09:39 PM  
Most people don't drink enough water and are dehydrated.  Add salt and you get problems, but is the salt the cause?
 
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