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2018-03-05 09:03:38 AM  
Glad Rockwell won, he seems like a cool guy and I have enjoyed everything I have seen him in. Especially Moon....Moon is great. But he's also great as Hammer in IM2.
 
2018-03-05 09:06:40 AM  
Big congratulations to Pappy McPoyle, Margaret McPoyle, Salamandy McPoyle and the whole McPoyle clan on their illustrious Oscar wins-let's all raise a glass of lukewarm milk in their honor!

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2018-03-05 09:06:49 AM  
Best animated short - dear basketball..  all I cared about.  Glen Keanu has been my favorite artist throughout most of my life.
 
2018-03-05 09:18:31 AM  
Geeze, not only were all the winners shows I did not bother to see, but only one category, "Best Visual Effects" had more than one film I saw this past year.
GotG2, Last Jedi, Apes, and Logan are the only films on the entire list that I watched.
I heard good things about Baby Driver and Dunkirk but never got around to them. I also had a small desire to see the blade runner sequal.
 
2018-03-05 09:29:18 AM  
Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

I think that "The Shape of Water" is definitely the best janitor-rapes-animal movie I have ever seen. Was it the best movie I saw all year? No. I know that the creature is powerful and learns like 5 words of sign language, but if it were a gorilla instead of a fish creature it would be insane for there to be a movie where a woman sleeps with it.  It is just a reminder that male consent is an after-thought at best in our society.
 
2018-03-05 09:41:22 AM  

honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?


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2018-03-05 09:42:44 AM  

honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

I think that "The Shape of Water" is definitely the best janitor-rapes-animal movie I have ever seen. Was it the best movie I saw all year? No. I know that the creature is powerful and learns like 5 words of sign language, but if it were a gorilla instead of a fish creature it would be insane for there to be a movie where a woman sleeps with it.  It is just a reminder that male consent is an after-thought at best in our society.


Plus she was incredibly selfish, flooding the theater below just to get some fish-sex.
 
2018-03-05 09:45:16 AM  

honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?


Does statutory law apply to a living god?
 
2018-03-05 09:45:18 AM  
Did TFA really need to put the exact same ad for "Good Girls" every 3 categories? It was rather distracting.
 
2018-03-05 09:45:55 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

I think that "The Shape of Water" is definitely the best janitor-rapes-animal movie I have ever seen. Was it the best movie I saw all year? No. I know that the creature is powerful and learns like 5 words of sign language, but if it were a gorilla instead of a fish creature it would be insane for there to be a movie where a woman sleeps with it.  It is just a reminder that male consent is an after-thought at best in our society.

Plus she was incredibly selfish, flooding the theater below just to get some fish-sex.


I'd like to hire the carpenter who installed that door frame.
 
2018-03-05 09:50:14 AM  

Wettner: Glad Rockwell won, he seems like a cool guy and I have enjoyed everything I have seen him in. Especially Moon....Moon is great. But he's also great as Hammer in IM2.


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2018-03-05 09:54:43 AM  

honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

I think that "The Shape of Water" is definitely the best janitor-rapes-animal movie I have ever seen. Was it the best movie I saw all year? No. I know that the creature is powerful and learns like 5 words of sign language, but if it were a gorilla instead of a fish creature it would be insane for there to be a movie where a woman sleeps with it.  It is just a reminder that male consent is an after-thought at best in our society.


The thing was a living god. If it can't give consent nothing can.
 
2018-03-05 10:00:48 AM  

This text is now purple: honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

Does statutory law apply to a living god?


Drew, do you want to answer this one?
 
2018-03-05 10:07:13 AM  

Burr: Wettner: Glad Rockwell won, he seems like a cool guy and I have enjoyed everything I have seen him in. Especially Moon....Moon is great. But he's also great as Hammer in IM2.

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2018-03-05 10:11:04 AM  
Another year, another Best Picture I literally have never heard of.
 
2018-03-05 10:17:19 AM  
Coming soon, More bestiality movies
 
2018-03-05 10:25:10 AM  
Shape of Water is not going to age well.  Neither is Three Billboards, although McDormand and Harrelson were amazing in it.
 
2018-03-05 10:38:09 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: This text is now purple: honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

Does statutory law apply to a living god?

Drew, do you want to answer this one?


I deny all wrongdoing
 
2018-03-05 10:42:26 AM  

Fano: The thing was a living god. If it can't give consent nothing can.


More to the point, when have gods every worried about consent?
 
2018-03-05 10:42:56 AM  

FLMountainMan: Shape of Water is not going to age well.  Neither is Three Billboards, although McDormand and Harrelson were amazing in it.


She would have not been my guess for best actress.
 
2018-03-05 10:44:08 AM  

Fano: honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

I think that "The Shape of Water" is definitely the best janitor-rapes-animal movie I have ever seen. Was it the best movie I saw all year? No. I know that the creature is powerful and learns like 5 words of sign language, but if it were a gorilla instead of a fish creature it would be insane for there to be a movie where a woman sleeps with it.  It is just a reminder that male consent is an after-thought at best in our society.

The thing was a living god. If it can't give consent nothing can.


Even when it's drunk?
 
2018-03-05 10:45:34 AM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: Fano: honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

I think that "The Shape of Water" is definitely the best janitor-rapes-animal movie I have ever seen. Was it the best movie I saw all year? No. I know that the creature is powerful and learns like 5 words of sign language, but if it were a gorilla instead of a fish creature it would be insane for there to be a movie where a woman sleeps with it.  It is just a reminder that male consent is an after-thought at best in our society.

The thing was a living god. If it can't give consent nothing can.

Even when it's drunk?


Do not tempt the Lord thy Frog
 
2018-03-05 10:57:53 AM  

FLMountainMan: Shape of Water is not going to age well.


Really?

A fantasy period piece ode to film won't age well? What part of it was tied to a particular era?
 
2018-03-05 10:59:31 AM  

This text is now purple: FLMountainMan: Shape of Water is not going to age well.

Really?

A fantasy period piece ode to film won't age well? What part of it was tied to a particular era?

Shakespeare in Love

was a great period piece.
 
2018-03-05 11:07:20 AM  
Any chance del Toro's wins last night will get a studio interested in reviving his R-rated "Mountains of Madness" project?
 
2018-03-05 11:15:14 AM  
I gotta say, that The Shape of Water WAS the best film I've seen this year. And del Toro brought it to life with all the beauty and ugliness that he brings to all his fantasies. He has a touch for monsters, and if this were a sane world, they'd let him do his thing without interruption, because this is a guy who loves film. He knows monsters aren't about the fangs or the teeth...but what's inside, and his films show that. Again and again. And with a touch for joy coming out of tragedy, and then sometimes dashing that, because he's a guy who understands that our fairy tales and horror stories ARE signposts and warnings to show us what we might want to avoid. I had very little hope that he'd even get a nod, but winning...good on him. And for his entire crew for that matter.
 
2018-03-05 11:19:10 AM  

Polish Hussar: Any chance del Toro's wins last night will get a studio interested in reviving his R-rated "Mountains of Madness" project?


I'm not sure it's filmable in today's climate as the only characters in it are all white guys.
 
2018-03-05 11:23:10 AM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: Polish Hussar: Any chance del Toro's wins last night will get a studio interested in reviving his R-rated "Mountains of Madness" project?

I'm not sure it's filmable in today's climate as the only characters in it are all white guys.


Who all die horrible deaths after angering a genderfluid minority population.
 
2018-03-05 11:25:50 AM  

This text is now purple: Thong_of_Zardoz: Polish Hussar: Any chance del Toro's wins last night will get a studio interested in reviving his R-rated "Mountains of Madness" project?

I'm not sure it's filmable in today's climate as the only characters in it are all white guys.

Who all die horrible deaths after angering a genderfluid minority population.


#shoggothlivesmatter
 
2018-03-05 11:26:08 AM  
 - - - Best picture
"The Shape of Water"
 - - - Best actress
Frances McDormand, "Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri"
 - - - Best actor
Gary Oldman, "Darkest Hour"
 - - - Best director
Guillermo del Toro, "The Shape of Water"
 - - - Best original song
"Remember Me" by Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez from "Coco"
 - - - Best original score
Alexandre Desplat, "The Shape of Water"
 - - - Best cinematography
Roger Deakins, "Blade Runner 2049"
 - - - Best original screenplay
Jordan Peele, "Get Out"
 - - - Best adapted screenplay
James Ivory, "Call Me By Your Name"
 - - - Best live action short film
"The Silent Child"
 - - - Best documentary short subject
"Heaven is a Traffic Jam on the 405"
 - - - Best film editing
Lee Smith, "Dunkirk"
 - - - Best visual effects
John Nelson, Gerd Nefzer, Paul Lambert and Richard R. Hoover, "Blade Runner 2049"
 - - - Best animated feature film
"Coco"
 - - - Best animated short film
"Dear Basketball"
 - - - Best supporting actress
Allison Janney, "I, Tonya"
 - - - Best foreign language film
"A Fantastic Woman," Chile
 - - - Best production design
Paul Denham Austerberry, Shane Vieau, Jeffrey Melvin, "The Shape of Water"
 - - - Best sound editing
Richard King and Alex Gibson, "Dunkirk"
 - - - Best sound mixing
Mark Weingarten, Gregg Landaker, Gary Rizzo, "Dunkirk"
 - - - Best documentary feature
"Icarus"
 - - - Best costume design
Mark Bridges, "Phantom Thread"
 - - - Best makeup and hairstyling
Kazuhiro Tsuji, Lucy Sibbick and David Malinowski, "Darkest Hour"
 - - - Best supporting actor
Sam Rockwell, "Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri"
 
2018-03-05 11:28:54 AM  

FLMountainMan: This text is now purple: FLMountainMan: Shape of Water is not going to age well.

Really?

A fantasy period piece ode to film won't age well? What part of it was tied to a particular era?

Shakespeare in Love was a great period piece.


At worst, it was the second best film in its year.

It was an amazingly restricted year. Shakespeare in Love and Elizabeth both covered the same era and the same queen. There were three WWII films, two of which were about naval landings and their aftermath (SPR and Thin Red Line). The 3rd was one of the least-deserving BP noms ever -- Life is Beautiful, which is a shameless mashup of (the vastly superior) The Bicycle Thief and The Day the Crown Cried.

It's a bit like 2001. How on earth did Gladiator win? This is how:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/73rd_Ac​a​demy_Awards#Awards

The acting awards were travesties, though. Hanks and Burstyn were robbed.
 
2018-03-05 11:32:28 AM  

Burr: This text is now purple: Thong_of_Zardoz: Polish Hussar: Any chance del Toro's wins last night will get a studio interested in reviving his R-rated "Mountains of Madness" project?

I'm not sure it's filmable in today's climate as the only characters in it are all white guys.

Who all die horrible deaths after angering a genderfluid minority population.

#shoggothlivesmatter


I was also thinking about the Elder Things.
 
2018-03-05 12:15:47 PM  

Burr: This text is now purple: Thong_of_Zardoz: Polish Hussar: Any chance del Toro's wins last night will get a studio interested in reviving his R-rated "Mountains of Madness" project?

I'm not sure it's filmable in today's climate as the only characters in it are all white guys.

Who all die horrible deaths after angering a genderfluid minority population.

#shoggothlivesmatter


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2018-03-05 12:18:12 PM  
My days of not caring about the Oscars are definitely coming to a middle.  I saw Logan.  Of all the movies nominated in all categories I think that's the only one I had seen.
 
2018-03-05 12:24:26 PM  

Fano: honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

I think that "The Shape of Water" is definitely the best janitor-rapes-animal movie I have ever seen. Was it the best movie I saw all year? No. I know that the creature is powerful and learns like 5 words of sign language, but if it were a gorilla instead of a fish creature it would be insane for there to be a movie where a woman sleeps with it.  It is just a reminder that male consent is an after-thought at best in our society.

The thing was a living god. If it can't give consent nothing can.


The movie has a real Leda and the Swan feel, in both bestiality (and gods) and the fact that society is seemingly at a moment where scenes of an animal having sex with a woman somehow doesn't have the same baggage as sex between a man and a woman.  Even if the creature was a "god," she didn't know that when she decided to have sex with it.  She gave it some treats to earn its trust because it was an animal.  She freed it from a lab where it was going to be dissected because it was an animal.  She had sex with it because it was a sexy animal.  Then, in the end, the creature saved her because, whoops, it has special god-like powers.  Power does not equal consent.  Arousal does not equal consent.  Even if a person/animal/god has power over another, that doesn't mean it consents (or is capable of consenting) to everything done to it.  Terry Crews didn't consent when that guy grabbed him, even though he could've stomped a mud hole in the guy when it happened.  A high school athlete may have strength and even social standing, but that doesn't mean he can consent to a relationship with a teacher.  I don't even care about statutes, but I do care about the fact that if men in our society can't recognize their own agency to consent, then how can we expect them to recognize when others aren't consenting.
 
2018-03-05 12:27:05 PM  

honestlylincoln: Fano: honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

I think that "The Shape of Water" is definitely the best janitor-rapes-animal movie I have ever seen. Was it the best movie I saw all year? No. I know that the creature is powerful and learns like 5 words of sign language, but if it were a gorilla instead of a fish creature it would be insane for there to be a movie where a woman sleeps with it.  It is just a reminder that male consent is an after-thought at best in our society.

The thing was a living god. If it can't give consent nothing can.

The movie has a real Leda and the Swan feel, in both bestiality (and gods) and the fact that society is seemingly at a moment where scenes of an animal having sex with a woman somehow doesn't have the same baggage as sex between a man and a woman.  Even if the creature was a "god," she didn't know that when she decided to have sex with it.  She gave it some treats to earn its trust because it was an animal.  She freed it from a lab where it was going to be dissected because it was an animal.  She had sex with it because it was a sexy animal.  Then, in the end, the creature saved her because, whoops, it has special god-like powers.  Power does not equal consent.  Arousal does not equal consent.  Even if a person/animal/god has power over another, that doesn't mean it consents (or is capable of consenting) to everything done to it.  Terry Crews didn't consent when that guy grabbed him, even though he could've stomped a mud hole in the guy when it happened.  A high school athlete may have strength and even social standing, but that doesn't mean he can consent to a relationship with a teacher.  I don't even care about statutes, but I do care about the fact that if men in our society can't recognize their own agency to consent, then how can we expect them to recognize when others aren't consenting.


Maybe we have reached a post consent society.
 
2018-03-05 12:42:41 PM  

honestlylincoln: Even if the creature was a "god," she didn't know that when she decided to have sex with it.


That's not entirely clear from the film. We don't know what she did and did not see, and she knew re: Giles that it had at least restorative powers.

Frankly, the film is ambiguous about whether or not Elisa was fully human herself.
 
2018-03-05 01:02:52 PM  
If the copyright infringement against The Shape of Water gets any traction, it may be yet another complete embarrassment for the Academy.

Got to admit, there's a lot of the plot between the movie and a fairly known play (and TV Movie starring Jean Stapleton) by the name of Let Me Hear You Whisper are nearly identical in large degree.  While Shape of Water has more of a sci-fi, magic element to it, the underlying story is strikingly similar.
 
2018-03-05 03:01:21 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

I think that "The Shape of Water" is definitely the best janitor-rapes-animal movie I have ever seen. Was it the best movie I saw all year? No. I know that the creature is powerful and learns like 5 words of sign language, but if it were a gorilla instead of a fish creature it would be insane for there to be a movie where a woman sleeps with it.  It is just a reminder that male consent is an after-thought at best in our society.

Plus she was incredibly selfish, flooding the theater below just to get some fish-sex.


I would say he was more self-fish.
 
2018-03-05 03:51:12 PM  
9 films nominated for Best Film.

Really not interested in ANY of them.
 
2018-03-05 04:19:36 PM  
Wasn't that fish in the the Ron Perlman "Hellboy" movie?   So, in that one, he gets to play a Pelagic C-3PO, but gets the girl the next time around, or is this a retelling of "Creature From the Black Lagoon"?
 
2018-03-05 05:11:09 PM  

lawboy87: If the copyright infringement against The Shape of Water gets any traction, it may be yet another complete embarrassment for the Academy.

Got to admit, there's a lot of the plot between the movie and a fairly known play (and TV Movie starring Jean Stapleton) by the name of Let Me Hear You Whisper are nearly identical in large degree.  While Shape of Water has more of a sci-fi, magic element to it, the underlying story is strikingly similar.


If the makers of Dances with Wolves and Ferngully couldn't sue over Avatar this chode can pound sand
 
2018-03-05 09:32:01 PM  

lawboy87: If the copyright infringement against The Shape of Water gets any traction, it may be yet another complete embarrassment for the Academy.

Got to admit, there's a lot of the plot between the movie and a fairly known play (and TV Movie starring Jean Stapleton) by the name of Let Me Hear You Whisper are nearly identical in large degree.  While Shape of Water has more of a sci-fi, magic element to it, the underlying story is strikingly similar.


The movie is openly based on Revenge of the Creature.

Del Toro has never hidden this.
 
2018-03-05 11:01:55 PM  

honestlylincoln: Fano: honestlylincoln: Let me just throw this out there- can a fish creature give consent?

I think that "The Shape of Water" is definitely the best janitor-rapes-animal movie I have ever seen. Was it the best movie I saw all year? No. I know that the creature is powerful and learns like 5 words of sign language, but if it were a gorilla instead of a fish creature it would be insane for there to be a movie where a woman sleeps with it.  It is just a reminder that male consent is an after-thought at best in our society.

The thing was a living god. If it can't give consent nothing can.

The movie has a real Leda and the Swan feel, in both bestiality (and gods) and the fact that society is seemingly at a moment where scenes of an animal having sex with a woman somehow doesn't have the same baggage as sex between a man and a woman.  Even if the creature was a "god," she didn't know that when she decided to have sex with it.  She gave it some treats to earn its trust because it was an animal.  She freed it from a lab where it was going to be dissected because it was an animal.  She had sex with it because it was a sexy animal.  Then, in the end, the creature saved her because, whoops, it has special god-like powers.  Power does not equal consent.  Arousal does not equal consent.  Even if a person/animal/god has power over another, that doesn't mean it consents (or is capable of consenting) to everything done to it.  Terry Crews didn't consent when that guy grabbed him, even though he could've stomped a mud hole in the guy when it happened.  A high school athlete may have strength and even social standing, but that doesn't mean he can consent to a relationship with a teacher.  I don't even care about statutes, but I do care about the fact that if men in our society can't recognize their own agency to consent, then how can we expect them to recognize when others aren't consenting.


I thought  it was pretty clear at the end (and through most of the movie) that she wasn't a woman but a fish creature like him. They were equals with a means of clear communication and he was pretty obviously participating enthusiastically.  Consent was pretty clear on both their parts.
 
2018-03-05 11:56:23 PM  
Funnily enough, the television show The Strain made The Shape of Water possible:

http://www.slashfilm.com/how-guillerm​o​-del-toro-made-the-shape-of-water/
 
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