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2018-03-05 09:55:54 AM  
No, you can take drugs to fight addiction to those other things. The only thing you can do about phone addiction is take it off of them and throw it in the toilet.*

*don't do this if the person can kick your ass
 
2018-03-05 10:04:20 AM  
I'm wearing a data patch.
 
2018-03-05 10:09:41 AM  
At least we've kicked the newspaper habit

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2018-03-05 10:32:17 AM  
Can tobacco and alcohol stream porn?
 
2018-03-05 10:33:34 AM  
Addiction is an over-used term so of course not all things that are called addictions or addictive can be handled in the same way.

For instance, I have a problem with the term "food addiction." I get that food can be abused in a similar manner and for similar reasons as drugs, tobacco or alcohol, but food intake is still required and the others are not.

With the ubiquity of cell phones and their increasing association with Internet access they are much like food. At least for developed countries, few would argue the average citizen does not need Internet access, but of course there are exceptions.
 
2018-03-05 10:48:07 AM  
I'd say there should be a War on Phones, but there already is.

/Guns of Glory
//Game of War
///Mobile Strike
 
2018-03-05 10:54:57 AM  
Maybe there's an app to help.
 
2018-03-05 11:14:23 AM  

slackananda: Addiction is an over-used term so of course not all things that are called addictions or addictive can be handled in the same way.


Anything can be addictive. The difference with drugs, alcohol and smokes is that they're physically addictive as well. So yeah, that's usually handled differently.
 
2018-03-05 11:29:53 AM  

slackananda: Addiction is an over-used term so of course not all things that are called addictions or addictive can be handled in the same way.

For instance, I have a problem with the term "food addiction." I get that food can be abused in a similar manner and for similar reasons as drugs, tobacco or alcohol, but food intake is still required and the others are not.

With the ubiquity of cell phones and their increasing association with Internet access they are much like food. At least for developed countries, few would argue the average citizen does not need Internet access, but of course there are exceptions.


I'm not a food addict, I'm a compulsive eater.

It's about controlling what I allow myself to have access to, because if I have access to it, I'm going to eat it.

My cell phone I can take or leave.  (Literally - I seem to forget it at home at least once every three months).

But part of that is also that I have virtually no online presence.  I have a twitter that I never use; a Facebook I log into maybe twice a year, and my Fark account, which is a place to have some interesting conversations, but isn't a place to build or maintain ongoing relationships.
 
2018-03-05 11:39:32 AM  
Because it's not addiction. It's compulsion.

Addiction has a very specific neurochemical mechanism that isn't present when you're talking about sex addicts or gambling addicts or whatever.


IANAD but I'd think the treatment would be more along the lines of treating OCD than treating actual chemical dependency
 
2018-03-05 11:44:27 AM  
There's not a way to tax it?
 
2018-03-05 11:48:29 AM  
Smartphones are new.  Therefore, they're bad.
 
2018-03-05 12:03:32 PM  
Are we doing such a good job treating addicts? After my mom started 12-steppin', "it's a disease" and "I'm powerless" sounded like mere excuses to drink more and more often than ever before.
 
2018-03-05 12:24:42 PM  

Snapper Carr: Addiction has a very specific neurochemical mechanism that isn't present when you're talking about sex addicts or gambling addicts or whatever.


The psychology community would disagree, look it up. But that's semantics.
 
2018-03-05 12:28:00 PM  

IHadMeAVision: Are we doing such a good job treating addicts? After my mom started 12-steppin', "it's a disease" and "I'm powerless" sounded like mere excuses to drink more and more often than ever before.


Since 12 step programs aren't science based and have little in the way of evidence to show effectiveness, then no, no we are not if that's all that's being done for treating addicts.
 
2018-03-05 12:34:30 PM  
Ya, being addicted to a phone is much easier to fix..You throw the SOB into a lake and don't pay the bill.
problem solved...
 
2018-03-05 12:36:48 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: Ya, being addicted to a phone is much easier to fix..You throw the SOB into a lake and don't pay the bill.
problem solved...


But what do you do with the phone?
 
2018-03-05 12:51:40 PM  
I think of how when my sister was 13 all she wanted to do was talk on the phone.
Now her daughter just texts to friends endlessly.

I do think that a lot of people miss out on a whole lot of life because they only see it through their phone lens and or feel the need to immediately text people about where they are and what they are doing.

So glad that I hate phones and that form of communication.  I need face to face time...maybe that is why I am a bit of a loner.  A happy loner.  I will NEVER, EVER do facebook (I have an account only to play words with friends at lunchtime with best friend)  I loathe facebook!

I do think that quality of life was better before smart phones.  Now get off my lawn.
 
2018-03-05 01:29:05 PM  
But i thought addiction was a disease?
 
2018-03-05 01:40:46 PM  

Danger Mouse: But i thought addiction was a disease?


This
 
2018-03-05 02:21:27 PM  

Mugato: No, you can take drugs to fight addiction to those other things. The only thing you can do about phone addiction is take it off of them and throw it in the toilet.*

*don't do this if the person can kick your ass


Will a cellphone flush?¨

I think most are waterproof now a days, even the ones that doesn't make the claim. Like my Nexus 6P (no, I never dropped it in the toilet, or water, but I saw YouTube videos demonstrating that it doesn't care about being fully submerged in water, despite Google making no such claims).
 
2018-03-05 02:25:05 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Smartphones are new.  Therefore, they're bad.


They're not really that new. I had, well, you'd probably call it a dumbphone now because you couldn't install programs on it, a phone that basically did the same things a smartphone does, 20 years ago.

Pictures, music, video messaging, surfing the net, +tons more.
 
2018-03-05 02:30:40 PM  
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Lightphone 2. It does all the useful stuff, make calls, allow you to text, gives directions, let you play music, gives weather forecasts.

And that's it. You can't take pictures, you can't access the internet, you know, all the "addictive" stuff. Plus, it looks hella cool.

Personally I'd argue that messaging is also some of the addictiveness. But its obviously also you do need, so well.

/I'm not getting one. I am not addicted. Surfing the net whilst you're on the can is not being addicted.
 
2018-03-05 02:37:40 PM  

Snapper Carr: Because it's not addiction. It's compulsion.

Addiction has a very specific neurochemical mechanism that isn't present when you're talking about sex addicts or gambling addicts or whatever.


IANAD but I'd think the treatment would be more along the lines of treating OCD than treating actual chemical dependency


Really?  I suspect that while sex and food "addicts" may have a slightly different chemical pathway (the body produces the "addicted" chemical instead of injecting them directly), that should be significantly different than someone OBC washing their hands over and over.

If drugs are direct exploits on the hardware, sex/food are exploits that have been in the software from day one [pretty much microcode/firmware/system code as it were](and internet works on anyone with real curiosity).  Other compulsions aren't so obvious.
/not really questioning your nomenclature
//just wondering how it really matters
///this slashie added via a compulsion
 
2018-03-05 03:26:19 PM  
It’s not you. Phones are designed to be addicting.
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It's not the phone we're addicted to, it's the apps.
Delete the apps, and you're good.

I use my smartphone for directions, texting, email, telling time, music, weather and other "useful" things. I do not check it every five minutes to see "updates" from other people on The Social. I read a few select news websites (ironically, not Fark) to keep up with the madness of our current situation, but I do not use it to post a bunch of nonsense all day long.
 
2018-03-05 05:52:14 PM  
I still don't have a smartphone.

crzybtch: I do think that a lot of people miss out on a whole lot of life because they only see it through their phone lens and or feel the need to immediately text people about where they are and what they are doing.


I agree. However that's just my opinion, and ultimately I do believe people should be free to live their life as they wish. So basically the only person allowed to complain about smartphone addiction is the person who feels that it is having a significant negative impact on their life and would like to quit or cut down on the use but finds it difficult to do so. But like others have said, throw the phone away, (or donate it to some charity) and get a phone that is only a phone (though that is probably not possible these days).
 
2018-03-05 07:18:50 PM  
So no ATFES then?
 
2018-03-05 08:54:20 PM  
good, because we suck at solving addiction to those things
 
2018-03-05 10:51:31 PM  
Smartphones are good for helping people destined to meet Darwin make the connection...
 
2018-03-06 01:16:19 AM  

Mugato: No, you can take drugs to fight addiction to those other things. The only thing you can do about phone addiction is take it off of them and throw it in the toilet.*

*don't do this if the person can kick your ass


Actually small doses of lsd are shown to be effective at curbing things like excessive social media refreshing, email checking, etc, along with treating some OCD stuff.
 
2018-03-06 01:20:24 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: Snapper Carr: Because it's not addiction. It's compulsion.

Addiction has a very specific neurochemical mechanism that isn't present when you're talking about sex addicts or gambling addicts or whatever.


IANAD but I'd think the treatment would be more along the lines of treating OCD than treating actual chemical dependency

Really?  I suspect that while sex and food "addicts" may have a slightly different chemical pathway (the body produces the "addicted" chemical instead of injecting them directly), that should be significantly different than someone OBC washing their hands over and over.

If drugs are direct exploits on the hardware, sex/food are exploits that have been in the software from day one [pretty much microcode/firmware/system code as it were](and internet works on anyone with real curiosity).  Other compulsions aren't so obvious.
/not really questioning your nomenclature
//just wondering how it really matters
///this slashie added via a compulsion


I'd say gambling addiction is the closest.

You hit refresh, you read one more listicle, etc, for that random chance it'll be worth your time.then you realize you should be asleep. But maybe one more click will pay off.
 
2018-03-06 09:59:09 PM  

slackananda: Addiction is an over-used term so of course not all things that are called addictions or addictive can be handled in the same way.

For instance, I have a problem with the term "food addiction." I get that food can be abused in a similar manner and for similar reasons as drugs, tobacco or alcohol, but food intake is still required and the others are not.

With the ubiquity of cell phones and their increasing association with Internet access they are much like food. At least for developed countries, few would argue the average citizen does not need Internet access, but of course there are exceptions.


Only came here to sarcastically say everything you just said completely seriously.
"See, people NEED constant internet connectivity. It's not some luxury you can just give up, like food or air. "

My sarcastic hyperbole is just an average Wednesday for most people. I evolved on the wrong spinny ball of dirt.
 
2018-03-06 10:01:02 PM  

Mugato: slackananda: Addiction is an over-used term so of course not all things that are called addictions or addictive can be handled in the same way.

Anything can be addictive. The difference with drugs, alcohol and smokes is that they're physically addictive as well. So yeah, that's usually handled differently.


Addiction is an excuse.
 
2018-03-06 10:05:53 PM  

PlaidJaguar: slackananda: Addiction is an over-used term so of course not all things that are called addictions or addictive can be handled in the same way.

For instance, I have a problem with the term "food addiction." I get that food can be abused in a similar manner and for similar reasons as drugs, tobacco or alcohol, but food intake is still required and the others are not.

With the ubiquity of cell phones and their increasing association with Internet access they are much like food. At least for developed countries, few would argue the average citizen does not need Internet access, but of course there are exceptions.

I'm not a food addict, I'm a compulsive eater.

It's about controlling what I allow myself to have access to, because if I have access to it, I'm going to eat it.

My cell phone I can take or leave.  (Literally - I seem to forget it at home at least once every three months).

But part of that is also that I have virtually no online presence.  I have a twitter that I never use; a Facebook I log into maybe twice a year, and my Fark account, which is a place to have some interesting conversations, but isn't a place to build or maintain ongoing relationships.


Lol. You left your phone at home for one day out of 90. And you're using that to make the case that you're not dependent on it.
Jesus farking christ, what rabbit-hole is this?
Last week some farking jackass told me we can't boycott tech companies because giving up amazon is "too much hardship for people to endure."
Was that sarcasm?
It had to be.
Didn't it?
It had to.
 
2018-03-06 10:10:05 PM  

Omnidirectional Punching: IHadMeAVision: Are we doing such a good job treating addicts? After my mom started 12-steppin', "it's a disease" and "I'm powerless" sounded like mere excuses to drink more and more often than ever before.

Since 12 step programs aren't science based and have little in the way of evidence to show effectiveness, then no, no we are not if that's all that's being done for treating addicts.


What? You don't think asking God for some toughlove is a viable strategy?
 
2018-03-06 10:13:11 PM  

crzybtch: I think of how when my sister was 13 all she wanted to do was talk on the phone.
Now her daughter just texts to friends endlessly.

I do think that a lot of people miss out on a whole lot of life because they only see it through their phone lens and or feel the need to immediately text people about where they are and what they are doing.

So glad that I hate phones and that form of communication.  I need face to face time...maybe that is why I am a bit of a loner.  A happy loner.  I will NEVER, EVER do facebook (I have an account only to play words with friends at lunchtime with best friend)  I loathe facebook!

I do think that quality of life was better before smart phones.  Now get off my lawn.


Ah yes. Another "loner" who "hates facebook" but then goes on to explain the "only" reasons why they use it daily.
So in other words, a typical facebook user.
 
2018-03-06 10:18:32 PM  

Danger Mouse: But i thought addiction was a disease?


Only when it conveniently allows one to avoid taking responsibility for one's behavior is it described as a "disease".
How convenient.
 
2018-03-06 10:23:06 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Mugato: No, you can take drugs to fight addiction to those other things. The only thing you can do about phone addiction is take it off of them and throw it in the toilet.*

*don't do this if the person can kick your ass

Will a cellphone flush?¨

I think most are waterproof now a days, even the ones that doesn't make the claim. Like my Nexus 6P (no, I never dropped it in the toilet, or water, but I saw YouTube videos demonstrating that it doesn't care about being fully submerged in water, despite Google making no such claims).


Yep. I use twenty-dollar droids and these goddam things are almost indestructible. I used to get upset when I dropped them in my beerglass while i sang into them to serenade Alexa. Now I do it on purpose just to make Alexa's voice sound bubbly for fun, because there's no amount of beer that can drown this goddamn zombie-tech.
 
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