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2018-03-04 05:03:43 PM  
Motive? Evidence?
 
2018-03-04 05:36:53 PM  

edmo: Motive? Evidence?

logical appeals rarely mattered

 
2018-03-04 06:06:09 PM  
fusillade762: logical appeals rarely mattered
 
2018-03-04 06:15:14 PM  

edmo: Motive? Evidence?


The internet said so.
 
2018-03-04 06:30:28 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: edmo: Motive? Evidence?

The internet said so.


And we all know there are no insane people allowed online.

*twitch*
 
2018-03-04 06:42:15 PM  
Good thing the GOP is trying to defund healthcare. Can't see any repurcussions to kicked these kinds of people off medicare/Medicaid. What's the worst that could happen?
 
2018-03-04 06:44:35 PM  
"Thousands of people think that the government is using implanted chips and electronic beams to control their minds. They are desperate to prove they aren't delusional. "

They aren't

The chips aren't implanted in people. They don't need to do that to control people.
 
2018-03-04 06:46:01 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Good thing the GOP is trying to defund healthcare. Can't see any repurcussions to kicked these kinds of people off medicare/Medicaid. What's the worst that could happen?


Hey, at least they won't be "infringed"!
 
2018-03-04 06:58:13 PM  
This article reminds me of a an exchange in the Terry Pratchett book Night Watch between a revolutionary (Reg Shoe) and a watch captain Vimes:

Aha, you've got secret files on me, eh?' said Reg, with terrifying happiness.

'Not really, no. Now if you'd be so good-'

'I bet you've got a big file on me a mile long,' said Reg.


'Not a whole mile, Reg, no,' said Vimes. 'Listen, Reg, we-'

'I demand to see it!'

Vimes sighed. 'Mr Shoe, we don't have a file on you. We don't have a file on anyone, understand? Half of us can't read without using a finger. Reg, we are not interested in you.'

Reg Shoe's slightly worrying eyes remained fixed on Vimes's face for a moment, and then his brain rejected the information as contrary to whatever total fantasy was going on inside.
 
2018-03-04 07:04:03 PM  
Why go through all that trouble of implanting a chip when they just track your cell phone?
 
2018-03-04 07:30:12 PM  
"I'm not schizophrenic, but the voices talking to me are.
 
2018-03-04 07:31:14 PM  
Targeted Individuals? Oh man that's better than UFOs!
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2018-03-04 07:31:38 PM  
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2018-03-04 07:34:26 PM  
I wish I felt that important.
 
2018-03-04 07:36:14 PM  
Group them with the people who think they're the star of their own version of "The Truman Show".
 
2018-03-04 07:37:38 PM  

mrlewish: "Thousands of people think that the government is using implanted chips and electronic beams to control their minds. They are desperate to prove they aren't delusional. "

They aren't

The chips aren't implanted in people. They don't need to do that to control people.


That's what the morgellons in the chemtrails are for. They contain nanomachines that create a mind control device from the elements found in the human body. The mind control device is located on the International Space Station.
What else do you think those rocket flights are for? Food and water?
 
2018-03-04 07:41:16 PM  
"Thousands of people think that the government is using implanted chips and electronic beams to control their minds. They are desperate to prove they aren't delusional"

The good news is you're 100% not delusional
The bad news is you're a farking schizo and there's no fixing that. Enjoy your meds
 
2018-03-04 07:42:55 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I wish I felt that important.


So do they. But they've found a solution.

I worked briefly with a paranoid schizophrenic who'd gone off his meds. He was a nice guy, very smart, very competent -- but he spent quite a while talking about the neighbors who were targeting him, his car, his phone. They'd found a way to turn on the wifi on his phone even after he'd turned it off; he showed me the icon. I pointed out that that was the icon for cellular data, not wifi. "Oh, my bad", he said -- then went off on the other techniques they were using to track and monitor him.

I imagine lower primates, maybe even rats and mice, have brain circuitry dedicated to assuming that other individuals are out to get them and responding accordingly. It's probably a competitive advantage. For social organisms, it has to be kept in check. But when those checking mechanisms go haywire, all the underlying paranoiac wiring is present and ready to run.
 
2018-03-04 07:46:51 PM  

Thenixon: "I'm not schizophrenic, but the voices talking to me are.


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2018-03-04 07:51:17 PM  

RJReves: Thenixon: "I'm not schizophrenic, but the voices talking to me are.

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Who else am I going to talk to on a Saturday night? Or any night for that matter?
 
2018-03-04 07:52:45 PM  

indy_kid: Group them with the people who think they're the star of their own version of "The Truman Show".


I don't think they'll qualify to get past White House security.
 
2018-03-04 08:25:06 PM  
Most people who want to feel simultaneously important and victimized join the NRA or watch a ton of Fox News.
 
2018-03-04 08:45:09 PM  
If you believe you are being monitored or manipulated through electromagnetic fields, wouldn't your first stop be at the local preffered building supply store for some rolls of aluminum screen? Faraday cage.
 
2018-03-04 09:16:31 PM  

wildcardjack: If you believe you are being monitored or manipulated through electromagnetic fields, wouldn't your first stop be at the local preffered building supply store for some rolls of aluminum screen? Faraday cage.


Do they sell organic, non-GMO, free-range, pesticide free, hormone free, gluten free, low carb, low carbon print, vintage upcycled aluminium at Home Depot?

Joke aside, this is one of the hidden downsides of the internet. Normalizing and encouraging behavior that causes people pain. They are hurting, there is no doubt, but feeding their paranoia and illness and even encouraging it is beyond comprehension.

Yet that may be a way to help them cope. If giving them a magical rock and doing a ceremony to destroy the negative ions that are spying on them will help them, then maybe open them up to help, would it be worth it? If you convince them that this pill, let's call it an anti-psychic pill, fights the mind control, is it worth the ethical mess? Part of me thinks yes, until you can get them to a point where reason can fight their delusions. A bigger part sees the danger of indulging the delusion, and knows outright lying to people is wrong.
 
2018-03-04 09:24:31 PM  

Duck_of_Doom: wildcardjack: If you believe you are being monitored or manipulated through electromagnetic fields, wouldn't your first stop be at the local preffered building supply store for some rolls of aluminum screen? Faraday cage.

Do they sell organic, non-GMO, free-range, pesticide free, hormone free, gluten free, low carb, low carbon print, vintage upcycled aluminium at Home Depot?

Joke aside, this is one of the hidden downsides of the internet. Normalizing and encouraging behavior that causes people pain. They are hurting, there is no doubt, but feeding their paranoia and illness and even encouraging it is beyond comprehension.

Yet that may be a way to help them cope. If giving them a magical rock and doing a ceremony to destroy the negative ions that are spying on them will help them, then maybe open them up to help, would it be worth it? If you convince them that this pill, let's call it an anti-psychic pill, fights the mind control, is it worth the ethical mess? Part of me thinks yes, until you can get them to a point where reason can fight their delusions. A bigger part sees the danger of indulging the delusion, and knows outright lying to people is wrong.


I was thinking more of an A B test. If you're still feeling weird after sleeping in the cage, then it's not electromagnetic fields.
 
2018-03-04 09:34:50 PM  

wildcardjack: If you believe you are being monitored or manipulated through electromagnetic fields, wouldn't your first stop be at the local preffered building supply store for some rolls of aluminum screen? Faraday cage.


An aluminum foil hat along with a chain made of paper clips to ground everything is more than adequate to block those pesky EMF waves.
 
2018-03-04 10:18:58 PM  
Humanity has had several hundred years of no natural selection. We're bound to have a few crazies that make it through adulthood and manage to reproduce.
 
2018-03-04 10:27:18 PM  

wildcardjack: If you believe you are being monitored or manipulated through electromagnetic fields, wouldn't your first stop be at the local preffered building supply store for some rolls of aluminum screen? Faraday cage.


A police officer in my hometown used that to cut down on nuisance calls from a paranoid old woman.

She was constantly calling police to report electromagnetic fields being used to read her thoughts, control her, spy on her, etc. He asked a physics professor from the community college about that and got a couple of articles about Faraday cages. During one service call he pulled her aside and presented her the information. A week later he responded to a service call from the woman REQUESTING HIM BY NAME. When he goes into her house she has covered the entire inside walls with aluminum foil, and she was absolutely thrilled that he had given her the means to stop people from reading her mind. She called him out to personally thank her for being the one person who believed her, understood her, helped her, etc.

He tells me they never had another call from her for years and then she passed away.
 
2018-03-04 10:32:22 PM  
I used to know a guy who was CERTAIN that the government was watching his every move. He'd talk about it all the time, and filed Freedom of Information Act requests on a regular basis.

Finally, he got a visit from the FBI - the agent calmly informed him that there were no files on him, because he'd never done anything interesting. Ever. The only interesting thing about him was his obsession with government surveillance.

After that, he calmed down a lot, but he was constantly trying to come up with a reason for the government to start paying attention to what he was doing. Fortunately, he was also a very nice (crazy) guy, so the idea of committing a crime never actually occurred to him.

(I know the government keeps tabs on me, but that's because of what I did in the Air Force a long time ago, and is perfectly reasonable and practical. Makes things easier at work, occasionally, and my concealed carry permit came back in record time.)
 
2018-03-04 10:36:31 PM  

eyeq360: wildcardjack: If you believe you are being monitored or manipulated through electromagnetic fields, wouldn't your first stop be at the local preffered building supply store for some rolls of aluminum screen? Faraday cage.

An aluminum foil hat along with a chain made of paper clips to ground everything is more than adequate to block those pesky EMF waves.


That's the scary part, though: aluminum foil doesn't work. It actually magnifies the mind control waves.

Now, actual tinfoil made with reasonably pure tin worked, but due to a huge covert government project, they convinced everyone to use aluminum.

/stole that from somewhere, can't remember where
 
2018-03-04 10:36:52 PM  
One of the definition g characteristics of schizophrenia is a lack of insight I got he fact that you have schizophrenia.

Feeding the delusions doesn't help. Meds help, but why should they take their meds if they aren't actually ill?
 
2018-03-04 10:39:09 PM  

cirby: Now, actual tinfoil made with reasonably pure tin worked, but due to a huge covert government project, they convinced everyone to use aluminum.


The government has secretly taken over all aluminum foil manufacturers to embed transmitters in every roll because, for a while there, they weren't able to read our minds.

/The Matrix is a documentary. It's release was a "glitch." Think about it, man.
 
2018-03-04 10:51:35 PM  

cirby: eyeq360: wildcardjack: If you believe you are being monitored or manipulated through electromagnetic fields, wouldn't your first stop be at the local preffered building supply store for some rolls of aluminum screen? Faraday cage.

An aluminum foil hat along with a chain made of paper clips to ground everything is more than adequate to block those pesky EMF waves.

That's the scary part, though: aluminum foil doesn't work. It actually magnifies the mind control waves.

Now, actual tinfoil made with reasonably pure tin worked, but due to a huge covert government project, they convinced everyone to use aluminum.

/stole that from somewhere, can't remember where


You're right.
They're on to me.
If I don't make it, THEY WERE RES
 
2018-03-05 12:08:19 AM  

edmo: Motive? Evidence?


Ever hear of the School of the Americas?  Still in business under a different name.  Creating societal paranoia using torture and "Disappeared" individuals.

During the 1980s (really the 1960s on), included the uses of torture and release of certain individuals in its curriculum.
 
2018-03-05 12:28:47 AM  

mrmopar5287: Humanity has had several hundred years of no natural selection. We're bound to have a few crazies that make it through adulthood and manage to reproduce.


Wrong. Diseases still kill those less resistant, even in this country. Diseases continue to arise that offer new and unpleasant criteria for natural selection. In fact a major part of studying gene flow and human migration is looking at disease resistance in DNA as well as fragments of virus and bacteria DNA that has been incorporated into the genome.
 
2018-03-05 01:28:15 AM  

cirby: eyeq360: wildcardjack: If you believe you are being monitored or manipulated through electromagnetic fields, wouldn't your first stop be at the local preffered building supply store for some rolls of aluminum screen? Faraday cage.

An aluminum foil hat along with a chain made of paper clips to ground everything is more than adequate to block those pesky EMF waves.

That's the scary part, though: aluminum foil doesn't work. It actually magnifies the mind control waves.

Now, actual tinfoil made with reasonably pure tin worked, but due to a huge covert government project, they convinced everyone to use aluminum.

/stole that from somewhere, can't remember where


That's not what "Weird Al" says.

'Weird Al' Yankovic - Foil
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2018-03-05 03:15:19 AM  
I could have done with an article that was a little less weepy.
 
2018-03-05 07:42:43 AM  
Yeesh. People like those in TFA creep me out. They reject any evidence not conforming to their belief system, and refuse to perform even fundamental attempts to gather evidence in support of their beliefs.

"There's a chip implanted in my brain."
"Really? Let's get an Xray so we can find it."
"It won't show up on Xray."
"Why not?"
"It's made of advanced materials which don;t show up on Xray."
"How do you know? Have you tried?"
"They're too smart for it to show up on Xray."
"Let's try it anyway. Even negative evidence is evidence. If the Xray doesn't work, we can try something else."
"No. The doctors are all in on the conspiracy."
"Why? What's in it for them?"
"They get paid to implant the devices."
"OK. When did you have brain surgery?"
"I didn't."
"Then how did they implant the device?"
"They did it while I was getting dental work. Through my nose."
"Dentists are all in on it, too?"
"Most of them."
"Why are 'they' doing this? What's the point?"
"That's what I want to know."

Actual conversation (from memory) with one of these people earlier this year. Never heard the "Targeted Individual" term before, but I've run into a couple of these folks here in the Shallow South. The mental contortions they go through to avoid disturbing their belief are painful to experience. Even trying to take them at face value ends up falling victim to internally-inconsistent beliefs.

So long as they don't try to harm themselves or others, there's little we can do for them. The biggest problem is they seem so innocuous until they start going high-and-right on their delusions. Low-information people might start believing them. Another problem arises when they try to self-medicate to counteract what they see as 'outside influences'- usually booze, but drugs are also common.
 
2018-03-05 07:46:23 AM  

BolloxReader: mrmopar5287: Humanity has had several hundred years of no natural selection. We're bound to have a few crazies that make it through adulthood and manage to reproduce.

Wrong. Diseases still kill those less resistant, even in this country. Diseases continue to arise that offer new and unpleasant criteria for natural selection. In fact a major part of studying gene flow and human migration is looking at disease resistance in DNA as well as fragments of virus and bacteria DNA that has been incorporated into the genome.


Not diseases, mental defects. Left to their own, these are individuals who would not be contributors to hunter/gatherer social groups. They would be excluded and left to starve.
 
2018-03-05 12:03:45 PM  

Wenchmaster: Yeesh. People like those in TFA creep me out. They reject any evidence not conforming to their belief system, and refuse to perform even fundamental attempts to gather evidence in support of their beliefs.

"There's a chip implanted in my brain."
"Really? Let's get an Xray so we can find it."
"It won't show up on Xray."
"Why not?"
"It's made of advanced materials which don;t show up on Xray."
"How do you know? Have you tried?"
"They're too smart for it to show up on Xray."
"Let's try it anyway. Even negative evidence is evidence. If the Xray doesn't work, we can try something else."
"No. The doctors are all in on the conspiracy."
"Why? What's in it for them?"
"They get paid to implant the devices."
"OK. When did you have brain surgery?"
"I didn't."
"Then how did they implant the device?"
"They did it while I was getting dental work. Through my nose."
"Dentists are all in on it, too?"
"Most of them."
"Why are 'they' doing this? What's the point?"
"That's what I want to know."

Actual conversation (from memory) with one of these people earlier this year. Never heard the "Targeted Individual" term before, but I've run into a couple of these folks here in the Shallow South. The mental contortions they go through to avoid disturbing their belief are painful to experience. Even trying to take them at face value ends up falling victim to internally-inconsistent beliefs.

So long as they don't try to harm themselves or others, there's little we can do for them. The biggest problem is they seem so innocuous until they start going high-and-right on their delusions. Low-information people might start believing them. Another problem arises when they try to self-medicate to counteract what they see as 'outside influences'- usually booze, but drugs are also common.


They're paranoid.

The problem with paranoia is that there's no way for them to step outside the paranoia to examine it.  Everywhere they look, they see patterns that aren't there, and they've developed theories to explain the patterns.  Everywhere they look, they see evidence that their theories are true.

Showing them that one bit of evidence actually doesn't fit their theory doesn't change anything, because they have thousands of bits of evidence, with more coming in constantly.
 
2018-03-05 03:56:00 PM  

edmo: Motive? Evidence?


We live in a post-evidence world. All that is left is to listen, and believe.
 
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